Obamateurism of the Day

posted at 8:05 am on March 16, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday I noted that Barack Obama is bad at math, but he’s even worse at history. Tina hit this yesterday, but it’s worth adding to the OOTD canon — and I suspect the Sunday poll commenters would erupt in outrage if Obama’s assessment of his predecessor Rutherford Hayes wasn’t included:

There have always been folks like that.  There always have been folks who are the naysayers and don’t believe in the future, and don’t believe in trying to do things differently.  One of my predecessors, Rutherford B. Hayes, reportedly said about the telephone, “It’s a great invention, but who would ever want to use one?”  (Laughter.)  That’s why he’s not on Mt. Rushmore — (laughter and applause) — because he’s looking backwards.  He’s not looking forwards.  (Applause.)  He’s explaining why we can’t do something, instead of why we can do something.

Really?  I guess we didn’t have Hope and Change in 1877.  However, we did have media that actually reported events back then — those were the days! — and as New York Magazine reports, Obama not only got this wrong, he got it as wrong as he possibly could:

We thought it was a bit unsporting of Obama to attack President Hayes, who is quite unable to respond. So we called up the Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Center in Fremont, Ohio, where Nan Card, the curator of manuscripts, was plenty willing to correct Obama’s ignorance of White House history. Just as soon as she finished chuckling.

“I’ve heard that before, and no one ever knows where it came from,” Card said of Hayes’s alleged phone remark, “but people just keep repeating it and repeating it, so it’s out there.”

Wait, so Hayes didn’t even say the quote that Obama is mocking him for? “No, no,” Card confirmed.

She then read aloud a newspaper article from June 29, 1877, which describes Hayes’s delight upon first experiencing the magic of the telephone. The Providence Journal story reported that as Hayes listened on the phone, “a gradually increasing smile wreathe[d] his lips and wonder shone in his eyes more and more.” Hayes took the phone from his ear, “looked at it a moment in surprise and remarked, ‘That is wonderful.’”

In fact, Card noted, Hayes was not only the first president to have a telephone in the White House, but he was also the first to use the typewriter, and he had Thomas Edison come to the White House to demonstrate the phonograph. “So I think he was pretty much cutting edge,” Card insisted, “maybe just the opposite of what President Obama had to say there.”

The real reason that Hayes doesn’t find his visage on Mt. Rushmore is that he wasn’t a very good President, not because he was a Luddite.  That’s also why Obama won’t find his visage on Mt. Rushmore, either … nor on the History Channel, except as a cautionary tale.  But if they put faces on Mt. Rushmore for mindlessly repeating bad data and false assumptions, Obama would get a peak all to himself.

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“Can you hear me now?”

VietVet_Dave on March 16, 2012 at 8:10 AM

“It’s a great invention, but who would ever want to use one?”

Isn’t that what Øbama said about health savings accounts?

Odysseus on March 16, 2012 at 8:11 AM

Our country is being run by Wikipedia.

ctmom on March 16, 2012 at 8:12 AM

Obama has a mountain of sh*t that he’s offered the US citizens to rely on as backup.

katablog.com on March 16, 2012 at 8:12 AM

I’m sure barack just went to Wikipedia to get all his knowledge of past presidents. And to think that at one time barack said, “this wikipedia thing is pretty cool, but who is going to give up their encyclopedia brittanica?”

DuctTapeMyBrain on March 16, 2012 at 8:13 AM

What a maroon

Must have used Wikipedia

cmsinaz on March 16, 2012 at 8:13 AM

The Sound Bite King, who mostly gets it wrong. Sheesh.

JimK on March 16, 2012 at 8:15 AM

I don’t know. I think demonizing Rutherford B. Hayes is going to be a winning issue for Obama.

They must have poll tested it.

forest on March 16, 2012 at 8:17 AM

You can hear a pin drop….
When Obama isn’t around.

Electrongod on March 16, 2012 at 8:18 AM

He’s a sharp dresser and looks good on a podium.
Otherwise, he’s not very good at anything. particularly math and history.

TimBuk3 on March 16, 2012 at 8:20 AM

Look, champ, you’re failing badly. You’re 180 degrees out of phase with history, facts and truth. Regarding Mt. Rushmore, the only think that you’re going to have is something made by Richard Dreyfuss that is made out of mashed ‘taters.

ted c on March 16, 2012 at 8:21 AM

Democrat: We still hate you guys for stealing that Presidential election!

Republican: Hey, I told you you’re full of it. George W. Bush did not steal that election!

Democrat: Whose taling about George W. Bush? I mean Rutherford B. Hayes!

radjah shelduck on March 16, 2012 at 8:22 AM

He’s purposefully getting ol’ Rutherford B. wrong just to set the precedent for future presidents. Maybe someday, one of his successors will actually call him a good president, and be equally as wrong.

ted c on March 16, 2012 at 8:23 AM

Hayes also hosted Thomas Edison…..Obama killed the incandescent light bulb…..who is closer to Mount Rushmore now champ????

SDarchitect on March 16, 2012 at 8:23 AM

“It’s a great invention, but who would ever want to use one?”

Isn’t that what Øbama said about health savings accounts?

Odysseus on March 16, 2012 at 8:11 AM

“We can’t drill our way to prosperity”. President Jindahl will use this quote and it will be accurate.

AubieJon on March 16, 2012 at 8:24 AM

This from the presidnt who puts his faith in 9th century windmill technology and 19th century electric car technology and trains! How forward looking.

Trafalgar on March 16, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Of course our god-king is going to bash Rutherford B. Hayes. He was a Republican, after all.

crazy_legs on March 16, 2012 at 8:26 AM

(Laughter.)

(laughter and applause)

(Applause.)

Our education system at work.

Electrongod on March 16, 2012 at 8:27 AM

Barry Hussein Soetoro and the democrat party are the modern day Luddites.

wildcat72 on March 16, 2012 at 8:27 AM

A i r b a l l Øbama, he shoots, he misses.
.
By the time September rolls around Ø will have been shown to be one of the most ignorant people in American public life. He routinely has less substance, already meager from the very beginning, more demagoguery, more derision, more meanness, more lies and dissemination of falsehoods masquerading as truth than any public person that I can personally remember. How does he get so much history wrong and expect people not to find out about it ?!?!
.
This guy is so, so embarrassing.

ExpressoBold on March 16, 2012 at 8:28 AM

I have come to the conclusion that he believes that if he says it, it is true.

redmama on March 16, 2012 at 8:28 AM

Now that the war on women has failed, we end up with the war on Rutherford B. Hayes?

I guess the most surprising thing to me is the fact that there is actually a Rutherford B Hayes Presidential Center.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2012 at 8:29 AM

I have come to the conclusion that he believes that if he says it, it is true.

redmama on March 16, 2012 at 8:28 AM

if you live in a bubble and tell yourself, “I AM The Greatest” and there are 400 sycophants around you that agree…. I guess that could happen.

ted c on March 16, 2012 at 8:35 AM

“If some of these folks were around when Columbus set sail, they probably must have been founding members of the flat earth society. They would not believe that the world was round!”

This also shows his ignorance of history. The Spanish of that day not only knew that the world was round, but they had accurately calculated the circumferance. Columbus could not have reached Asia with the ships of his day. If the Canary islands had not been where they were, he would not even have reached the South American land mass.

There are those who say that he lied about his estimated distance because he had obtained Viking maps showing the ne continent there. However, the Viking maps would have been of the north.

As Wikipedia says,

Where Columbus did differ from the view accepted by scholars in his day was in his estimate of the westward distance from Europe to Asia. Columbus’ ideas in this regard were based on three factors: his low estimate of the size of the Earth, his high estimate of the size of the Eurasian landmass, and his belief that Japan and other inhabited islands lay far to the east of the coast of China. In all three of these issues Columbus was both wrong and at odds with the scholarly consensus of his day.

sabbahillel on March 16, 2012 at 8:36 AM

That’s why he’s not on Mt. Rushmore — (laughter and applause) — because he’s looking backwards. He’s not looking forwards.

Who says “forwards” instead of “forward”? For that matter, who says “backwards” instead of “backward”?

Buy Danish on March 16, 2012 at 8:36 AM

If Obama ever spent any time in the Oval Office he would find out that there is actually a phone on the desk. Been there a long time.

Yoop on March 16, 2012 at 8:36 AM

“It’s a great invention, but who would ever want to use one?”

That’s what everyone but Obama is saying about the Volt.

The Rogue Tomato on March 16, 2012 at 8:37 AM

Not only was good ol’ boy Rutherford B a president, but the guy was a Major General in the Union Army during the Civil War, where he fought to free the slaves. Not only that, he’s from Ohio.

What does Obama have against guys that free the slaves and people from Ohio?

ted c on March 16, 2012 at 8:38 AM

Forget the evil Buuuussssshhhhhh.

All my problems are Rutherford B. Hayes’s fault” New barack bumper sticker.

DuctTapeMyBrain on March 16, 2012 at 8:40 AM

Barry Hussein Soetoro and the democrat party are the modern day Luddites.

wildcat72 on March 16, 2012 at 8:27 AM

More trains and windmills! More trains and windmills!

Fallon on March 16, 2012 at 8:41 AM

Second look at Rutherford B. Hayes?

SagebrushPuppet on March 16, 2012 at 8:41 AM

This from the president who puts his faith in 9th century windmill technology and 19th century electric car technology and trains! How forward looking.

Trafalgar on March 16, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Bingo! I wanted to say that but couldn’t think of it fast enough.

Odysseus on March 16, 2012 at 8:42 AM

you know what’s good Ed! Apologies, chocolate smuckin’ milk…

and Volts

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 8:43 AM

But if they put faces on Mt. Rushmore for mindlessly repeating bad data and false assumptions, Obama would get a peak all to himself.

More like in the valley of despair.

AH_C on March 16, 2012 at 8:44 AM

old azz poor mutha smucker

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 8:44 AM

That’s why he’s not on Mt. Rushmore — (laughter and applause) — because he’s looking backwards. He’s not looking forwards.

Who says “forwards” instead of “forward”? For that matter, who says “backwards” instead of “backward”?

Buy Danish on March 16, 2012 at 8:36 AM

The same bozo who says “corpse-man” and “Pok-ee-ston.”

SagebrushPuppet on March 16, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Who says “forwards” instead of “forward”? For that matter, who says “backwards” instead of “backward”?

Buy Danish on March 16, 2012 at 8:36 AM

The same Ivy League educated guy who pronounces Rutherford so that it sounds like Roootheford. And of course let us not forget that the enlisted Navy medical personnel are corpse men.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2012 at 8:46 AM

This from the president who puts his faith in 9th century windmill technology and 19th century electric car technology and trains! How forward looking.

Trafalgar on March 16, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Bingo! I wanted to say that but couldn’t think of it fast enough.

Odysseus on March 16, 2012 at 8:42 AM

He also has said he has “roots” in a 7th century religious political system too. So admitting to supporting 9th century windmills would actually make him a “progressive” in his community.

wildcat72 on March 16, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Stop! I’m laughing so hard I think I need to use my breathalyzer.

Trafalgar on March 16, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Who says “forwards” instead of “forward”? For that matter, who says “backwards” instead of “backward”?

Buy Danish on March 16, 2012 at 8:36 AM

It’s the plural version to account for every alternate universe…duh!

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM

The same Ivy League educated guy who pronounces Rutherford so that it sounds like Roootheford. And of course let us not forget that the enlisted Navy medical personnel are corpse men.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Corpse is what a lot of us are going to be when we freeze to death in winter and die of heat stroke in the summer because of all the power plant closures that Hussein has mandated.

wildcat72 on March 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM

If Obama ever spent any time in the Oval Office he would find out that there is actually a phone on the desk. Been there a long time.

Yoop on March 16, 2012 at 8:36 AM

Can’t see it past his feet.

Lost in Jersey on March 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Where Columbus did differ from the view accepted by scholars in his day was in his estimate of the westward distance from Europe to Asia. Columbus’ ideas in this regard were based on three factors: his low estimate of the size of the Earth, his high estimate of the size of the Eurasian landmass, and his belief that Japan and other inhabited islands lay far to the east of the coast of China. In all three of these issues Columbus was both wrong and at odds with the scholarly consensus of his day.

sabbahillel on March 16, 2012 at 8:36 AM

Exactly, Columbus disagreed with the prevailing theory of the day as to the circumference of the Earth. Conventional wisdom thought it was larger than he did.

Turned out, for once, conventional wisdom was right.

However, he DID discover the American continents that were in the way…

wildcat72 on March 16, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Since the phone number to the White House was 1. Does that make Hayes “the one” first?

AlexJ on March 16, 2012 at 8:53 AM

However, he DID discover the American continents that were in the way…

wildcat72 on March 16, 2012 at 8:52 AM

To be accurate, he found Central and South America were in the way. Never laid his eyes on North America

Trafalgar on March 16, 2012 at 8:56 AM

However, he DID discover the American continents that were in the way…

wildcat72 on March 16, 2012 at 8:52 AM

I think that’s just conventional wisdom too :) Unless you’re being too clever for me.

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 8:58 AM

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM

See what a good night’s sleep and decaf will do?

BigAlSouth on March 16, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Rutherford B. Hayes? Who’s next, James Buchanan?!

22044 on March 16, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Hayes appointed two Associate Justices to the Supreme Court. The first vacancy occurred when David Davis resigned to enter the Senate during the election controversy of 1876. On taking office, Hayes appointed John Marshall Harlan to the seat. A former candidate for governor of Kentucky, Harlan had been Benjamin Bristow’s campaign manager at the 1876 Republican convention, and Hayes had earlier considered him for Attorney General.[185] Hayes submitted the nomination in October 1877, but it aroused some dissent in the Senate because of Harlan’s limited experience in public office.[185] Harlan was nonetheless confirmed and served on the court for thirty-four years, in which he voted (usually in the minority) for an aggressive enforcement of the civil rights laws

ted c on March 16, 2012 at 9:04 AM

The same Ivy League educated guy who pronounces Rutherford so that it sounds like Roootheford. And of course let us not forget that the enlisted Navy medical personnel are corpse men.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Lets not leave out “Pock-ee-stan”, either. Must be an Ivy League thing.

VietVet_Dave on March 16, 2012 at 9:09 AM

See what a good night’s sleep and decaf will do?

BigAlSouth on March 16, 2012 at 9:03 AM

I’m sure I don’t know what you mean :)

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM

I’m surprised he even knew that Hayes was an American president.

docflash on March 16, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Rutherford B. Hayes? Who’s next, James Buchanan?!

22044 on March 16, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Buchanan was a Democrat, so obviously could do no wrong!

Trafalgar on March 16, 2012 at 9:14 AM

“It’s a great invention, but who would ever want to use one?”

Isn’t that what Øbama said about health savings accounts?

Odysseus on March 16, 2012 at 8:11 AM

And charter schools

And cleaner coal plants

And nuclear power

And fuel pipelines

And advanced missile defense

And campaign finance reform

And border security

And national debt commissions

And…

RobertE on March 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM

I know why Taft’s not on Rushmore…not enough room

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Taft definitely drank his choco milk Ed

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 9:26 AM

It’s not that Dear Liar is saying something factually incorrect. Happens to every president.

The thing is, presidents employ speech writers, who work with researchers to put together speeches. And while I can understand the Columbus/flat earth part as it is something I was taught in elementary school in the 1970s (let’s not get into the question of how that idea got into education.)

But if you’re going to pluck an obscure president out of the past to get some information, to give to a speechwriter – for the President of the United States of America – shouldn’t you, um, actually do some research on him? I can get that we have a bad president, happens far to frequently, but this guy has somehow surrounded himself with other incompetents.

rbj on March 16, 2012 at 9:26 AM

most libs are incompetents rbj…when Maddow and Zakaria are your best and brightest there’s a problem.

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 9:29 AM

But if they put faces on Mt. Rushmore for mindlessly repeating bad data and false assumptions, Obama would get a peak all to himself.

C’mon, it’s not all Baraka’s fault. His ultra-liberal Ivy League education was essentially a 7-year course in how to repeat bad data and false assumptions. (And he got extra credit for doing it while black).

AZCoyote on March 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Obama the Quixotc…tilting at wind mills and solar energy.

FLconservative on March 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM

H A R V A R D
grad

KOOLAID2 on March 16, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Did Harvard screw up that game yesterday or what? First time Vandy’s ever won a tournament game I think.

don’t get me started on the UNC Asheville tragedy

the fix was in on that one

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 9:35 AM

This is what happens when you rely on Ezra Klein and Jon Favreau to be your link to history.

http://famousdc.com/2010/06/07/white-house-gone-wild-shirtless-favreau-and-vietors-sundayfunday-beer-pong-match/

DanMan on March 16, 2012 at 9:37 AM

C O L U M B I A Political Science
grad

KOOLAID2 on March 16, 2012 at 9:31 AM

As useless as the degree is, at least you should get a little political history. Looks like SCoaMF couldn’t even get that out of his worthless major.

Which begs the question, just how bad were junior’s grades, in an already dumbed down major.

MNHawk on March 16, 2012 at 9:41 AM

most libs are incompetents rbj…when Maddow and Zakaria are your best and brightest there’s a problem.

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 9:29 AM

FDR was competent. LBJ was competent. heck, Bill Clinton was competent. Carter was incompetent but the Democratic Congress was somewhat competent. Now the face of the Democratic Party is Debbie Clowner? I’m genuinely worried about our future if this is our political class.

rbj on March 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM

poor Debbie :( she just can’t get any respect for some reason

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 9:57 AM

“It’s a great inventionPipeline, but who would ever want to use one wants jobs?”

askwhatif on March 16, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I’m surprised he even knew that Hayes was an American president.

docflash on March 16, 2012 at 9:13 AM

It was on the placemat at the local IHOP.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Barry thinks that history is what he says it is.

GarandFan on March 16, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Fake but accurate. Douche.

ghostwalker1 on March 16, 2012 at 10:05 AM

It was on the placemat at the local IHOP.

Happy Nomad on March 16, 2012 at 10:00 AM

you sure that wasn’t the urinal cake?

I Love You Man ref. Rush (the band) rocks!

DHChron on March 16, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Gotta love Hot Air. I learned something new about a past president. Now I didn’t learn anything new about the current one. I already knew he spoke non truths without batting an eye.

jazzuscounty on March 16, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Breaking News

The US Department of Interior announced today that plans are in the works for a new National Park. The park will be located outside of Chicago and will feature carved busts of Presidents Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Obama.

Since there are no mountains in Illinois of the scope and scale of Mt. Rushmore, the new park will be designated Mt. JiveAss and will made entirely out of garbage, trucked in from every major city in the nation.

This is fully in keeping with current President Obama’s “Green Initiative” to recycle and reuse and will be a monument to that effort. The methane given off from Mt. JiveAss will be used to power generators that will keep floodlights trained on the profiles 24 hours a day.

President Obama remarked at today’s press briefing, “Yeah, it will kind of smell at first, but people will get used to it over time.”

OkieDoc on March 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Can’t see it past his feet.

Lost in Jersey on March 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Or the white powder at the end of his nose.

swinia sutki on March 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM

President Obama remarked at today’s press briefing, “Yeah, it will kind of smell at first, but people will get used to it over time.”

OkieDoc on March 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Are you saying they will have to smell it to know what’s in it?

swinia sutki on March 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM

“Yeah, it will kind of smell at first, but people will get used to it over time.”

OkieDoc on March 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Hey, isn’t that the Washington way?

Enjoyed your comment by the way.

jazzuscounty on March 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM

However, he DID discover the American continents that were in the way…

More like he bumped into them, and most likely because there wasn’t any way to miss.

UnrepentantCurmudgeon on March 16, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Let’s see…..in Obumbles world:

Hayes = Luddite but Algae trumps Oil.

There must be a carnival going on between those laughably oversized ears.

Tim_CA on March 16, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Who says “forwards” instead of “forward”? For that matter, who says “backwards” instead of “backward”?

Buy Danish on March 16, 2012 at 8:36 AM

Uneducated street urchins.

Solaratov on March 16, 2012 at 12:11 PM

The really crazy thing about that whole little speech is that he is actually saying,

“Hey I am so smart and I look forwards so well that I should end up on Mt. Rushmore.”

This guy is more narcissistic than Clinton. Now think how narcissistic you have to be to out do Clinton.

Iron Butterfly on March 16, 2012 at 12:31 PM

How can anyone possessing even half a brain cell believe the you-know-what that arrogant POS continually shovels …

jqc1970 on March 16, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Hey, iliberal4life, how come your computer doesn’t generate a 2nd in thread comment when your “emperor” is an utter dummy?

Schadenfreude on March 16, 2012 at 1:31 PM

I guess Barry ran out of steam talking down Bush, now it’s Rutherford B. Hayes? Who’s next? Millard Filmore?

WordsMatter on March 16, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Obama is wrong about everything.

When you look at who he hung around with in college, in Church, at work, around Chicago, and who he’s appointed in key roles it’s not surprising that he’s just flat wrong all the time about everything.

President Wrong. Our Feckless Leader.

hepcat on March 16, 2012 at 2:58 PM

In 2008, Obowma said this:

We got to lead by example. If we lead by example, if we lead by example, then we can actually export and license technologies that have been invented here to help them deal with their growth pains. But keep in mind, you’re right, we can’t tell them don’t grow. We an’t drive our SUVs and, you know, eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees at all times, whether we’re living in the desert or we’re living in the tundra and then just expect every other country is going to say OK, you know, you guys go ahead keep on using 25 percent of the world’s energy, even though you only account for 3 percent of the population, and we’ll be fine. Don’t worry about us. That’s not leadership.

The dictator leads by example?

He’s a living and breathing hypocrite.

dthorny on March 16, 2012 at 5:00 PM

…and Hillary Clinton was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, or so she claimed. (She did not realize she was born several years before he became famous for climbing Mount Everest.)

The problem with telling lies is you have to keep more information in your head than if you simply tell the truth!

Colony14 on March 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM

But if they put faces on Mt. Rushmore for mindlessly repeating bad data and false assumptions, Obama would get a peak all to himself.

Indeed. Obama is the Mt Everest of Eviscerating Enemies. He is the K2 of Kenyan Communists.

CatchAll on March 16, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Here’s an idea.

sartana on March 17, 2012 at 2:48 AM