Geraldo: What do we gain in Afghanistan by sacrificing U.S. troops for another two years?

posted at 6:35 pm on March 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

Watch for when he notes with disgust how the accidental burning of a few Korans inspired days of riots but the apparently intentional killing of women and children elicits virtually nothing. I never thought I’d say it, but here we go: Second look at Geraldo?

To answer his question, though, we gain two things by staying put until 2014. One is two more years to turn the Afghan National Army into a force that’s ready and willing to fight to the death for a government that’s best known for profligate graft and vote-rigging. Two is the pride that comes with leaving on our own timetable instead of being chased out by a menagerie of corrupt bureaucrats, ANA saboteurs, and Taliban. Given the apparent hopelessness of the first purpose, I think the second is the prime motive at this point. But the more Karzai pulls inflammatory insanity like this, the more the public’s going to come around to Geraldo’s let-him-hang position:

“Yesterday, I said clearly that the Americans should leave our villages,” Karzai said. “This morning, Obama called regarding this issue. He asked, ‘Did you announce this’? I said, ‘Yes, I announced it.’”

Obama has said it appears that the massacre, in which nine children and three women were among the 16 killed, was the work of “a lone gunman.”

But the AP reported that Karzai, after meeting with relatives of some of the victims, pointed to one of the villagers and said: “In his family, in four rooms people were killed—children and women were killed—and then they were all brought together in one room and then set on fire. That, one man cannot do.”

Not only is he undermining NATO with public pandering about having them pull back, he’s trying to rile up the locals with conspiracy theories about how last weekend’s massacre must have involved more than one shooter. I get that he has to walk a line between the White House and the Afghan population but does he want new riots? Does he want Afghans to despise U.S. troops more than they already do, which will only make it harder to get the ANA in shape over the next two years?

Before you watch, go read this story quoting the lawyer for the suspect in the massacre as saying his client had already deployed abroad three times and thought he was done — before finding out he’d have to do a tour in Afghanistan. I don’t blame O for that (think of how many U.S. soldiers have done multiple tours with exemplary behavior in the field), but rest assured that a Republican president wouldn’t have been given the same leeway here by the media or the left if he had been the one to order a surge of 30,000 troops three years ago. Consider it a grim postscript to Politico’s “what if Bush had done it?” story from the other day.



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Have you ever looked into the second Sino-Japanese war?
Mass bombings of population centers that supported terrorists were exactly what caused the Japanese to fall out of favor with the rest of the world, and ultimately lead to them attacking Pearl Harbor.
In other words, no one (especially not Congress) would put up with a President who ordered that.
Count to 10 on March 16, 2012 at 8:28 PM

::cough:: Hiroshima ::cough:: Nagasaki ::cough:: Harry Truman.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM

One thousand or less years ago…..Christianity was where Islam is today.

It was hardly a religion and more of a political institution. Where “Popes” rode horses into battle….priests trumped the opinions and laws of Kings and queens.

Inquisitions and pogroms resulting in genocide by following superstitious beliefs and nonsense. Flat earthers…heretics and the dark ages.

Welcome to Islam. A retrograde political ideology masquerading as a “religion” as it’s goal is to enslave, murder and return all of mankind to slavery, retribution and caves.

Why do we accept this…tolerate this in the 21st Century when we destroyed a similar political ideology / religion….Nazism.

We either accept the reality of welcoming back those dark ages and it’s horrors…or we move forward and cleanse the world of this oldest…constant threat. Isolate and prevent this ideology from staining any further the rest of mankind.

Twana on March 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I don’t really believe we gain a damned thing by staying in afghanishole one more day let alone 2 more years. The place is a huge sandy turdpile we accomplished 2 missions in. Kill osama and wreck al-qaida. (sp)

If we don’t evacuate that craptastic hell hole obama should go up for murder charges for ever soldier that dies there from this point on.

I’ll say this though, if Pakistan or Afcrapistan sends even one of their insurgents here again to cause a problem, we ought to carpet bomb both countries into the pre-hominid stage.

Wolfmoon on March 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

One thousand or less years ago…..Christianity was where Islam is today.
It was hardly a religion and more of a political institution. Where “Popes” rode horses into battle….priests trumped the opinions and laws of Kings and queens.
Inquisitions and pogroms resulting in genocide by following superstitious beliefs and nonsense.
Twana on March 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Uniformed desperate attempt at false equivalency. “Islam” (submission, jihad) was founded and setup from the get-go as a system of violent political plundering as it’s sole raison d’être.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

One thousand or less years ago…..Christianity was where Islam is today.

Twana on March 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Not really. Women were always accorded more respect in Europe than elsewhere and the Christian priesthood was where the knowledge of Greece and Rome was preserved while the Imams are busy destroying and burning anything not Islamic. The backwardness of Christianity during the middle and dark ages has been rather exaggerated. You would have to go back much farther than a thousand years to find the sort of conduct we are seeing in modern Islam.

You are absolutely correct about Islam and we see it happening right in front of us. We fight the enemy before, us or we lose.

sharrukin on March 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

bayam on March 16, 2012 at 8:29 PM

No we did not pacify Afghanistan, we drove the hordes back, the “Taliban” and they reconnoitered. How did they come back so fast and so strong? We handed off to NATO and our own ROE works to the enemy’s advantage.

It’s called asymmetric warfare.

It’s not rocket science. The Russian’s treasure was drained after 10 years in Afghanistan, and low and behold our treasury is drained 10 years later from not keeping a small military foot print in Afghanistan that’s not an accident.

10. Poverty of the State exchequer causes an army to be maintained by contributions from a distance. Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes the people to be impoverished.

11. On the other hand, the proximity of an army causes prices to go up; and high prices cause the people’s substance to be drained away.

Dr Evil on March 16, 2012 at 9:20 PM

One thousand or less years ago…..Christianity was where Islam is today.
It was hardly a religion and more of a political institution. Where “Popes” rode horses into battle….priests trumped the opinions and laws of Kings and queens.
Inquisitions and pogroms resulting in genocide by following superstitious beliefs and nonsense.
Twana on March 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Christianity has gone through a reformation Islam has not. Don’t take my word for it ask atheist Bill Maher.

Dr Evil on March 16, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Uniformed desperate attempt at false equivalency. “Islam” (submission, jihad) was founded and setup from the get-go as a system of violent political plundering as it’s sole raison d’être.

My point exactly. Are you saying the purges of Christianity cannot be compared to the Islamic terrorism of today? Look friend….my point was only to point out that at one time in History…..mandated “religion” was non productive and a threat to all of mankind. Christianity reformed itself….Islam remains in darkness and death.

Twana on March 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Why again was Geraldo thrown out of the war zone?

Speakup on March 16, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Why again was Geraldo thrown out of the war zone?

Because he insisted on speaking Spanish to the kids from Alabama? This NY hippy, dippy freak who’s a bona fide member of La raza…this racist pro Latino…above all else ( Imagine THE uproar if the Irish demanded blarney ) who’s made zillions on his fraudulent name?

He’s just like Obama…who choses to ignore his white half…..Jerry choses to only identify with his La Raza half. A racist….through and through.

Twana on March 16, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Uniformed desperate attempt at false equivalency. “Islam” (submission, jihad) was founded and setup from the get-go as a system of violent political plundering as it’s sole raison d’être.

My point exactly. Are you saying the purges of Christianity cannot be compared to the Islamic terrorism of today? Look friend….my point was only to point out that at one time in History…..mandated “religion” was non productive and a threat to all of mankind. Christianity reformed itself….Islam remains in darkness and death.
Twana on March 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM

No, I’m saying when it comes to Christianity you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t mean that as an insult, just that it’s totally devoid of knowledge of what Christianity is based on. You just trotted out the “usual suspects” which were a displays of hijackings and complete bastardizations of Christian faith.
It wasn’t “reformed” to be suddenly good, but has been deformed by evil people to do evil throughout history.

“Islam”, on the other hand, was set up to be exactly what it is today; it was designed to be – and has been & always will be – a violent “black hand” operation.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 10:10 PM

My point exactly. Are you saying the purges of Christianity cannot be compared to the Islamic terrorism of today? Look friend….my point was only to point out that at one time in History…..mandated “religion” was non productive and a threat to all of mankind. Christianity reformed itself….Islam remains in darkness and death.

Twana on March 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM

There have been people who did terrible things and who claimed to act from Christian principles or on behalf of a ‘Christian’ notion of God, and I would agree that some of them are comparable to some of the misdeeds done by people who claim to act from Islamic beliefs.

However it would be quite false, I think, to say that ‘religion’ was ever non-productive and a threat to all mankind. That is just hyperbole. While some people were abusing religious language and symbols for their own misguided or selfish ends, others were inspire by religious ideas to get busy building schools and hospitals, to campaign for greater justice and against oppression, and generally to do good. However history books prefer to tell tales of the intrigues and battles of kings, than of the humble labouring of honest peasants who raised their neighbour’s orphans or settled disputes peacefully amongst themselves.

YiZhangZhe on March 16, 2012 at 11:09 PM

One thing I have found interesting in a way is how there is no suggestion in any of the media stories that any of this is in any the fault of Obama.

Contrast this with the Abu Ghraib coverage which laid the blame directly on George W. Bush.

So far there have been two instances of American troops killing Afghan civilians but no suggestion that either case reflects on the current President.

schmuck281 on March 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

If we stay, can we just beat Karzai with a sock full of pennies until he learns his place?

Daemonocracy on March 17, 2012 at 8:18 AM

::cough:: Hiroshima ::cough:: Nagasaki ::cough:: Harry Truman.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM

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Just to stop some massive historical ignorance here
1 More people were killed in the Tokyo firebombing than Hiroshima or Nagasaki
2 We even gave them one more chance to surrender before we dropped the first nuke
3 It was estimated that we’d lose 1 Million soldiers taking Japan, in fact we still use purple hearts made back in 45 as so many were made in anticipation of the invasion we haven’t had to cast any new ones.
Are you saying you were for killing more US troops?
Or that destroying a militarized city is the same as chasing women down and bayoneting them in the streets and turning the surviving women into forced prostitutes?
I’m not sure if your moral compass is completely f’ed up or you’re just ignorant.
I’m actually hoping for ignorant.

LincolntheHun on March 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

::cough:: Hiroshima ::cough:: Nagasaki ::cough:: Harry Truman.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Just to stop some massive historical ignorance here

Just to help those who have a massive issue with basic reading comprehension:

Question:
In other words, no one (especially not Congress) would put up with a President who ordered that.
Count to 10 on March 16, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Answer:
::cough:: Hiroshima ::cough:: Nagasaki ::cough:: Harry Truman.
whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM

You also missed upthread where I called for carpet bombing. You desperately need to learn to read and concentrate just a wee bit more before commenting.

whatcat on March 17, 2012 at 3:34 PM

I was completely open minded to his assuming the morning slot just before Rush in New York City. It only took about 10 minutes before I couldn’t stand him any longer. Him and his constant immigration crap. I have the same attitude about Maher, whose image barely lasts .0001 seconds on my screen before I switch channels.

Tomolena1 on March 17, 2012 at 5:06 PM

::cough:: Hiroshima ::cough:: Nagasaki ::cough:: Harry Truman.

whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Your point?
They had already declared war with us at that point.

Count to 10 on March 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

::cough:: Hiroshima ::cough:: Nagasaki ::cough:: Harry Truman.
whatcat on March 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Your point?
They had already declared war with us at that point.
Count to 10 on March 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I’m guessing that most folks view the mass murder of 3,000 Americans on American soil as an act of war. True, we didn’t papers served on us by some diplomat so that the attack would be tidy and formal – but again I’d hazard a guess that most folks don’t care much about the diplomatic formalities involved.

whatcat on March 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM

What do we gain in Afghanistan by sacrificing U.S. troops for another two years?

The question really is “What do we gain in Afghanistan or anywhere else by listening to Geraldo for two more minutes”??

What has Geraldo ever done? What is his expertise and where did it come from? What important idea has Geraldo ever contributed to the public discussion???

“An empty barrel makes the most noise!”

landlines on March 18, 2012 at 12:58 AM

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