Friday night news dump: Administration to move forward with and expand contraception mandate

posted at 10:30 pm on March 16, 2012 by Tina Korbe

The administration this afternoon released its “Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on preventive services policy.” Translation: President Barack Obama and HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius are moving forward with their controversial contraception mandate, which requires even religiously affiliated employers to provide their employees with insurance that covers contraception — even if those employers object to contraception on religious grounds.

But don’t worry: Secretary Sebelius says your religious liberty is assured, so it is assured.

“The President’s policy respects religious liberty and makes free preventive services available to women,” she said. “Today’s announcement is the next step toward fulfilling that commitment.”

Never mind that, by drawing a distinction between actual churches and church-operated businesses like hospitals and schools, the administration effectively appropriated for itself the power to determine what constitutes ministry. Also, last I checked, there was no such thing as “free preventive services.”

Sandra Fluke should be happy, though. The administration made a final decision about whether it will require colleges to provide  students with insurance that covers contraception, as well. Take one wild guess as to what their decision was. Yep, that’s right:

Administration officials also released a final rule governing student health plans.  Under the final rule, students will gain the same consumer protections other people with individual market insurance have, like a prohibition on lifetime limits and coverage of preventive services without cost sharing.  In the same way that religious colleges and universities will not have to pay, arrange or refer for contraceptive coverage for their employees, they will not have to do so for their students who will get such coverage directly and separately from their insurer.

Note that the administration still pretends the mandate isn’t a mandate on religious employers if the insurers have to provide contraception coverage “directly and separately” to employees and students. Actually, it’s still a conscience-violating mandate, as Ed explained when the administration first announced its “accommodation”:

So these employers will still have to provide the health insurance, and the health insurance must cover the contraception and abortifacients.  The White House apparently wants to pretend that the funds for these outlays will come off of the Unobtanium Tree, where insurers find money to cover all mandates.  This exposes once again a stunning ignorance of risk pools and how costs are passed along to consumers.

Let’s just take this one step at a time.  Where do insurers get money to pay claims?  They collect premiums and co-pays from the insured group or risk pool.  No matter what the Obama administration wants to say now, the money that will cover those contraception costs will come from the religious organizations that must now by law buy that insurance and pay those premiums.  Their religious doctrines have long-standing prohibitions against participating in contraception and abortion, and nothing in this “accommodation” changes the fact that the government is now forcing them to both fund and facilitate access to products and services that offend their practice of religion.

Basically, the Obama administration told religious organizations to stop complaining and get in line.  This “accommodation” only attempts to accommodate Obama’s political standing and nothing more.

Consider also that many religious employers are self-insured and have no insurer onto whom they can push the cost of contraception insurance.

The timing of this announcement just couldn’t have been better. As The Washington Examiner’s Joel Gehrke put it, “The announcement came late Friday afternoon, on the eve of St. Patrick’s Day, as the second day of March Madness basketball games were under way.” People skip work to watch March Madness. Think they’re going to turn off the TV to dig up a dry statement from Her Consistency Kathleen Sebelius? Not likely.


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I enjoyed your posts tonight as always..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:35 AM

fixed..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:36 AM

The C-word is going to be the word for this election.

Between abortion, contraception, slang for our leader’s level of courage, not to mention Bill Maher’s cuss of Governor Palin, this is the C*** election.

Now all we have to do is keep a personification of the other genital from winning it.

IlikedAUH2O on March 17, 2012 at 4:37 AM

Think about it, smart guy, you’ll get it.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:28 AM

Oh Yeah

lexhamfox on March 17, 2012 at 4:37 AM

Looks like we are heading in that direction..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:34 AM

Yup.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:38 AM

I thought if we talked about the social issues at all, it was game over and Obama wins?

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:38 AM

Does this usually happen? I bail early.

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:32 AM

It gets pretty incoherent, yes.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:35 AM

Gets? Hah. Okay.. thanks and have a good night!

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:38 AM

kim is about to fly off on her broomstick.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:39 AM

I enjoyed your post tonight..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:35 AM

Thanks, my friend. I really hate unloading on people. It stirs me up something fierce. But I just can’t tolerate rude people and injustice.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:40 AM

kim is about to fly off on her broomstick.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:39 AM

What stick are you riding this evening?

lexhamfox on March 17, 2012 at 4:40 AM

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:38 AM

You have a good night also..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:40 AM

You do remember the 16 hour post my friend??!!???..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:31 AM

Yep, 17 hours of lying liars lying, Star Trek, steak and a lack of medication

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:41 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:40 AM

I understand and agree 100%..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:41 AM

What stick are you riding this evening?

lexhamfox on March 17, 2012 at 4:40 AM

You are not going to bait me into saying something not family friendly.

I don’t think it’s unfair to point out a woman with an unpleasant personality rides around on a broomstick. I’ve never done anything to that woman that I know of.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:41 AM

Nowhere Man may be the worse Beatles song, although they had a lot of awful songs for a band that had so many hits.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:43 AM

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:38 AM

You have a good night also..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:40 AM

Thank you… just waiting for the QOTD thread. ;)

Late enough on the west, must be really late if you’re east.

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:44 AM

a lack of medication…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:41 AM

Nicely done. Second look at hawgs?

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:45 AM

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:44 AM

No QOTD thread. I think AP got a new kitty…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:45 AM

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:41 AM

+ 100..:)

PS..Excellent tune and very appropriate!!..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:45 AM

I wonder what John the “Liberterian/Pothead” thinks an injustice is…probably just some other guy expressing an opinion that John our brave hero doesn’t like.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:47 AM

I think AP got a new kitty…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:45 AM

Dude, you are on a roll tonight…

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:47 AM

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:44 AM

No QOTD thread. I think AP got a new kitty…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:45 AM

iPad.

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:48 AM

Well, site isn’t reloading, or else everyone’s gone to bed. Dire, hawgs, kim — have a great St. Patrick’s day, it’s been weird, for sure.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:54 AM

You stay angry, John The Control Freak. Maybe you’ll work up the courage to talk politics one day, rather than whine about me.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:59 AM

iPad.

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:48 AM

He may be lost to us for the wknd…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 5:00 AM

He may be lost to us for the wknd…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 5:00 AM

I’m pretty sure he doesn’t care about you. Wild guess.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 5:01 AM

Ok, I’m heading to bed, the Hot for Allah types are a little weird.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 5:02 AM

He totally burned you, Gohawgs. You have been totally burned!

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 5:15 AM

Interesting that this was positioned directly below the headline which asks “can Britain tolerate Christains”

It’s quite clear that Christains are rapidly becoming the 21st century version of the 1930′s Germany’s view of the horribly scapegoated Jews.

What will it be this time Godless progressives and fiscal cons, gas ovens or the colosium lions. How perfectly true God was, when he promised they would hate you because of me….

Don L on March 17, 2012 at 5:17 AM

He totally burned you, Gohawgs. You have been totally burned!

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 5:15 AM

I may have to borrow some of AP’s lotion to soothe the burn…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 5:44 AM

I honestly don’t think that the Catholic Church will stand up to Obama on this. I think it’s likely that they’ll accept the fig leaf and do it gladly. I’m saddened to say that. But the Church has been complicit in social government interventions for a long, long time, and I can’t imagine that Obama wouldn’t have run his “compromise” by some of them.

I haven’t been to mass in years. And this sort of thing is the reason why.

Murf76 on March 16, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I don’t remember if it was Levin or Rush that I listened to today on podcast, but one of them alluded to this and said they thought initially the Catholics looked at public funded welfare as a good thing, as it was a form of charity and it helped people. But now, that the government is using all of this control to take away religious freedom like this, it is now a wake up call. Thus, the Catholic Church probably won’t take this lying down.

You have to know that Obama’s thugs really think everyone will back down on this, as this move is a “high risk, high reward” in an election year. They really think women are dumber and will swing their vote back to Obama, MORE than millions and millions of Christians will rise up against him, that formerly voted for him.

This is going to be an very interesting game of chicken.

karenhasfreedom on March 17, 2012 at 5:53 AM

karenhasfreedom on March 17, 2012 at 5:53 AM

Glad to see you weren’t blown away…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 5:57 AM

John the Liberterian

I am a fairly new poster here but I want to commend you on your self-restraint. Read through the whole thread and I admire anyone who understands what is necessary to stop the merry-go round. It is also an effective tool when dealing with children. Good job.

JannyMc on March 17, 2012 at 6:12 AM

Oops sorry for misspelling your name. I can spell correctly on occasion. Libertarian. My bad.

JannyMc on March 17, 2012 at 6:14 AM

Obama and his gaggle of hedonistic Marxists are completely void of any credible value system or moral compass.

rplat on March 17, 2012 at 6:22 AM

It’s not just a matter of religious liberty. It’s a matter of liberty period. Another unconstitutional mandate. No one can be forced to enter into any contract against their free will.

American Elephant on March 17, 2012 at 6:40 AM

Last?

If so, congrats to AP for making it through today’s blogging shift!

22044 on March 17, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Cardinal Timothy Dolan spoke at a Catholic HS on Long Island a couple of weeks ago. I don’t think he’ll be backing down anytime soon.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/there_ll_be_hell_to_pay_xGYyaTv440rtBUwpdPGOTO

Naturally Curly on March 17, 2012 at 7:46 AM

I don’t remember if it was Levin or Rush that I listened to today on podcast, but one of them alluded to this and said they thought initially the Catholics looked at public funded welfare as a good thing, as it was a form of charity and it helped people</blockquote

Most folks have no idea that the traditional and only Catholic Church holds true to the very conservative "Principle of Subsidiarity" whereby it is not licit of government to interfere in that social realm that can be managed by free people themselves.

It is the infiltration and perversion of the Church mission and techings that has turned its true Christ given mission from that of salvation and charity to one of "social Justice" accomplished by governments (nevermind red-tainted ones)by those who would dare to promate and teach the very evils the Church is against.

The Church is having to deal with those "Notre Dame type "catholics" who praise the perveyors of abortion and infanticide -both in the leftist politicians and theologians, but in the radicalized nuns and "peace and justice" priests and bishops who followed their Jesuit counterparts spirits over the secular cliff in the "spirit of Vatican II" some even carrying automatic weapons in Nicaragua to spread the "preferential option for the poor" and booing Pope John Paul II because he called a halt to their Marxist Liberation theology (think Rev. Wright)

Interesting that the present pope (as Cardubnl Ratzinger) did battle with the USCCB reminding the faithful that it is not part of the hierarchy.
Nothing new since that Judas fellow scandalized the first apostles.
From the early

Don L on March 17, 2012 at 7:52 AM

What does he have against babies?

kingsjester on March 17, 2012 at 8:13 AM

The social gospel has nothing to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

“What has Athens to do with Jerusalem?” – Tertullian

tommyboy on March 17, 2012 at 8:15 AM

Herr Dr. Sebelius is being very determined. Good thing I bought stock in the company that grows hormone treatment trees. Insurance companies aren’t screaming because they know the way this game is played. Too bad they don’t look into the future and see their ultimate demise.

Kissmygrits on March 17, 2012 at 8:29 AM

What is a mandate and why do we keep hearing about them so much now?

tomas on March 17, 2012 at 8:33 AM

Must not question The Reich.

viking01 on March 17, 2012 at 8:39 AM

Friday Night News Dump: FAST AND FURIOUS

maverick muse on March 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM

What happens with all these mandates if Obamacare is abolished by the supreme court decision. All these mandates come from Obamacare, no?

ctmom on March 17, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Must not question The Reich.

From Obama on my shoulder to the palm of the Reich hand, “reset”.

maverick muse on March 17, 2012 at 8:43 AM

What is a mandate and why do we keep hearing about them so much now?

tomas on March 17, 2012 at 8:33 AM

We hear about them so much because so many “authoritative command” mandates are being issued now.

Complex Societies Need Simple Laws:
We need to end the orgy of rule-making at once and embrace the simple rules that true liberals like America’s founders envisioned.

John Stossel | March 15, 2012

“If you have 10,000 regulations,” Winston Churchill said, “you destroy all respect for law.”

reason.com

maverick muse on March 17, 2012 at 8:48 AM

I thought if we talked about the social issues at all, it was game over and Obama wins?

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:38 AM

It’s not so much the social issues that are the problem. It’s the talking. The GOP is just so damn stupid they let the Dems frame the debate into something like “The Gop wants to ban contraception.”

Spliff Menendez on March 17, 2012 at 8:56 AM

ctmom, What happens with all these mandates?

Mandate issuing bitter clingers won’t willingly stop establishing precedence.

Whatever ground is recovered is not willingly returned.

But that’s hypothetical. To recover constitutional governance requires voting FOR constitutional candidate; certainly not vilifying or failing to conduct one’s own basic scholarly research in order to know facts vs. wholesale whole cloth Party propaganda.

Don’t expect any recovery of Liberty from Republican Leadership. Being neoconservative, Republicans are NOT about to deny themselves the growing authoritarian powers amassed which “belong” to the controlling “deserving” majority. The record stands.

I’d expect the Democrat/Socialists to persist illegally and get away with it because corruption suits the same authoritarian ends or “shared values” which permeate the Republican/Neoconservative Party.

maverick muse on March 17, 2012 at 9:03 AM

The GOP is just so damn stupid they let the Dems frame the debate

Neoconservative Republicans, so it would seem.

However, that criticism does not apply regarding the Libertarians and Traditional Republicans (Taft, Goldwater small government Republicans) who leave the matter constitutionally with each State.

Complex Societies Need Simple Laws

maverick muse on March 17, 2012 at 9:12 AM

One of the things I’d like to see Boehner and company say loudly and often is instead of infringing upon religious liberty, why don’t they offer the waiver and then push the FDA to make some of these birth control pills OTC? Medically speaking, I really don’t understand it. They have gotten so low in dosage, yet still effective. I want to see the One stammer at a press conference answering that question. This solution would actually be cheaper for everyone. But they won’t do it, because, after all, this isn’t about birth control.

redmama on March 17, 2012 at 9:26 AM

I’m getting confused. Is this similar to what the war on women nags are screaming about in AZ?

ctmom on March 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I think Tina missed a key point on this late Friday news dump – the Administration will officially promise to take action after the election.

This indicates to me they are losing the battle and hiding behind bureaucratic delays to take the issue off the table this year.

jb34461 on March 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Don’t expect any recovery of Liberty from Republican Leadership. Being neoconservative, Republicans are NOT about to deny themselves the growing authoritarian powers amassed which “belong” to the controlling “deserving” majority. The record stands.

I’d expect the Democrat/Socialists to persist illegally and get away with it because corruption suits the same authoritarian ends or “shared values” which permeate the Republican/Neoconservative Party.

maverick muse on March 17, 2012 at 9:03 AM

And therein lays the problem. Both parties represent a slippery slope. Only the angle of the grade distinguishes them. I would like to think there is a solution, but I will admit that I don’t see one.

climbnjump on March 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM

climbnjump on March 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM

I would to, but Ayn Rand says it better than me:

“When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion – when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing – when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors – when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you – when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice – you may know that your society is doomed.”

jb34461 on March 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM

AP… can I suggest some new functionality for the site?

If any individual accounts for over 15% of the posts on a thread… automatically stick their account in a “cool-down stage” for a few days with no commenting. Some of these newbies seem to be doing a lot of bullying with overwhelming posts, which is seriously discouraging any real intellectual discourse.

The quality of discourse on Hot Air has been devolving lately, and something like this would help improve the discourse in my opinion.

Thanks!

dominigan on March 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM

dominigan on March 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM

An excellent suggestion!

+1

kingsjester on March 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Dictators and despots MUST be eliminated! I pray we can do it this November and this nightmare will cease…. not much faith in the elite GOP however.

ultracon on March 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

If any individual accounts for over 15% of the posts on a thread… automatically stick their account in a “cool-down stage” for a few days with no commenting. Some of these newbies seem to be doing a lot of bullying with overwhelming posts, which is seriously discouraging any real intellectual discourse.

The quality of discourse on Hot Air has been devolving lately, and something like this would help improve the discourse in my opinion.

Thanks!

dominigan on March 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Well, last week I ran into a new Hot Gas Wrinkle; I tried posting 2 or 3 posts in rapid succession but got a screen telling me “you’re posting too fast!”. Since then I haven’t seen it so don’t know if it’s still functional.

Del Dolemonte on March 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Why don’t states just ignore it?

States should start ignoring everything coming out of the White House.

darwin on March 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

The problem with moderating threads is there is always a group of people on every political comment board whose whole objective in being on the comment board is to see peole get banned. They gang up on people they don’t like for whatever silly reason and try to get them banned.

I think it’s sad that these people are basically living to see people get banned from a political comment board.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:02 AM

First time I’ve actually SEEN mental illness on the web.

KOOLAID2 on March 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

I would to, but Ayn Rand says it better than me:

“When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion – when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing – when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors – when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you – when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice – you may know that your society is doomed.”

jb34461 on March 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Worth repeating a thousand times.

Talon on March 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM

I guess we live in a monarchy now!

PattyJ on March 17, 2012 at 11:27 AM

My take.

kingsjester on March 17, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Just a little Eastern Orthodox FYI. I happen to be Greek Orthodox, so I was kind of happy (? don’t know how to describe it really, but many people don’t realize the Orthodox Church is catholic, too) to see your post mentioning the Church & am glad they are joining with their Roman Catholic brethren on this.

Dark Star on March 17, 2012 at 2:18 AM

Thanks for your reply and explanation about the role of the Metropolitan in the Orthodox Catholic Church. I don’t know as much about the hierarchy in it as I should. I was very glad to learn of their support also; in our diocesan newspaper, their names were listed along with every Roman Catholic bishop in Pennsylvania to join in the Day of Prayer and Fasting.

PatriotGal2257 on March 17, 2012 at 11:32 AM

First time I’ve actually SEEN mental illness on the web.

KOOLAID2 on March 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Dr. T’s problem is the he’s “an enjuneer, doncha kno”.

Have you noticed he lives in fear of getting reassigned to certain places for his job. Well, he might be getting his wish about a mining camp in the far, far north. Something to do with a fly-in camp, a lake, and diamond mining. They are looking for an young, dumb “enjuneer” from one of their consultant’s offices; in Pennsylvania I think. :-)

Yoop on March 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM

I believe it was Plato who said that good people don’t need laws for them to do the right things and bad people will find a way around the laws. Mandates on this scale by a government, without the enforcement power (or fear from intimidation) will bring an environment where the masses will simply ignore the laws. We are closer to this scenario than you think.

MDLibertyLover on March 17, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Good morning! Looked like a fine evening with not a bad song on the thread ; ) One thing to think about. Reputations are hard to build. Once you lose it, its even harder to get back. Matter of fact, I’ll wager it dang near impossible. ; )

Bmore on March 17, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Next Up:
The ØbaMaØ one-child policy diktat, except for him and the First Mooch of course.
How many more groups of stalwart voters can Barry piss off?
Catholics,
Baptists,
Labor Unions (no jobs),
The man-child in mom-jeans is so far in over his head (and Moochelle’s caboose). Meanwhile, it appears all that matters to Barry Soetoro are the Hispanic and Kenyan votes.

We’re Doomed.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on March 17, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Karl Magnus on March 17, 2012 at 12:16 PM

A hearty welcome to Ogabe’s United States of Western Zimbabwe.

jb34461 on March 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM

A hearty welcome to Ogabe’s United States of Western Zimbabwe.

jb34461 on March 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Ahhhhhh yes …
The thugocracy that promised “re-distribution” but delivered only violent death and starvation.
That’s our “messiah”!
Take a bow, ØbowMa, you’ve become this hemisphere’s Robert Mugabe.
Say … How is CA’s Central Valley doing without water?
Isn’t odd that Barry Soetoro and Robert Mugabe have something in common?
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Birds of a Feather – hit the wind turbine together.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on March 17, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Next Up:
The ØbaMaØ one-child policy diktat, except for him and the First Mooch of course.
How many more groups of stalwart voters can Barry piss off?
Catholics,
Baptists,
Labor Unions (no jobs),
The man-child in mom-jeans is so far in over his head (and Moochelle’s caboose). Meanwhile, it appears all that matters to Barry Soetoro are the Hispanic and Kenyan votes.

We’re Doomed.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on March 17, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Psst -Hispanics are mostly Catholic votes too. Plus he’s aiming at a lot of French, Italian, Irish, Portuguese, some Swiss, Greek Orthodox etc.and not a few African Americans-who were schooled in the faith (Hint;Clarence Thomas)at least those that haven’t bought into worshipping the secularist gods.

Don L on March 17, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Obama and Sebelius should really consult with a Constitutional Scholar or some other type expert on the Constitution before they make these wild new laws.

multiuseless on March 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM

They think this is what American women care about? For real?

The Obama administration needs a bumper sticker for women “We think you’re stupid, really, really stupid” If you can read this bumper sticker, it’s because somehow you managed to purchase gas for your auto. Secretary Chu: We are working on fixing that so you should look into purchasing a public bus pass. The Obama administration all about Condoms, Public Transportation & insulting women’s intelligence.

Dr Evil on March 17, 2012 at 1:10 PM

the administration effectively appropriated for itself the power to determine what constitutes ministry.

Unless we’re talking about giving those institutions money, at which point they become ministries again. Being a dem means being to have it both ways.

Esthier on March 17, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Heh. Ladyingray calls me a coward on facebook.

Really outta here now.

Lanceman on March 17, 2012 at 2:46 AM

heh.

ladyingray on March 17, 2012 at 1:26 PM

But don’t worry: Secretary Sebelius says your religious liberty is assured, so it is assured.

Poverty is wealth. Defeat is victory. Lies are truth!

GarandFan on March 17, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Dr. T’s problem is the he’s “an enjuneer, doncha kno”.

Have you noticed he lives in fear of getting reassigned to certain places for his job. Well, he might be getting his wish about a mining camp in the far, far north. Something to do with a fly-in camp, a lake, and diamond mining. They are looking for an young, dumb “enjuneer” from one of their consultant’s offices; in Pennsylvania I think. :-)

Yoop on March 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM

I scoff at some old guy who mocks engineers as being stupid in some way. Sounds like you are jealous, old man. You sure seem to think you know a lot about me, but nothing you said above is true. My company doesn’t have an office in PA. And I won’t be going to Canada for a mining job. You seem a little obsessed with me out there, old man.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 1:51 PM

KOOLAID probably needs to put one coherent sentence first prior to accusing me of a mental illness. If you are going to talk trash, at least try to be funny and original.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 1:53 PM

dominigan on March 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM

That could help, though I’d settle for an “ignore” button.

Esthier on March 17, 2012 at 2:02 PM

The reality is I’m one of the few people here that actually wants to talk politics. Most of the old timers just want to do the cyber-buddy thing, they don’t want to talk politics at all. This is where they come for friendships.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 2:23 PM

I do support an Ignore feature too, b/c it would be interesting to see what my critics talk about if not me. And then I can ignore them when they continue to whine about me, but it does get old.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 2:26 PM

The reality is I’m one of the few people here that actually wants to talk politics. Most of the old timers just want to do the cyber-buddy thing, they don’t want to talk politics at all. This is where they come for friendships.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Then please, discuss politics.

Esthier on March 17, 2012 at 2:38 PM

This is good news, really. The more Obama over-reaches in his enthusiasm for stretching Obamacare in order to buy votes, the more evidence there is to how outrageously Obamacare violates the constitution. The Supremes will note that, I’m sure. It’s almost as if Obama wants them to shoot down Obamacare.

starboardhelm on March 17, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Cogent explanation, Tina. Thank you.

tuffy on March 17, 2012 at 3:55 PM

So, who is it that keeps beating the social issue drums during the pre-election period again?

Midas on March 17, 2012 at 4:07 PM

First time I’ve actually SEEN mental illness on the web.

KOOLAID2 on March 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Nah – you see it every time you post!

Midas on March 17, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Heil Obama!

Dunedainn on March 17, 2012 at 8:28 PM

According to a guy that I have never talked to, Red Crow, I attack everbydoy on here. Yet I have never talked to him, ever. But I’m attacking him in some way.

This guy is hellbent on being some kind of victim and me being the villian.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:46 AM

“I wouldn’t be so paranoid if everyone weren’t out to get me”.

“Paranoia. You only have to be right once to make it all worthwhile.”

LOL

ManWithNoParty on March 17, 2012 at 10:25 PM

If Obama can declare by fiat that contraceptives are free, no co-pay, no deductible. I can’t wait until all health care is free. All it takes is a emperor with no clothes.

Dasher on March 18, 2012 at 5:42 PM

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