Friday night news dump: Administration to move forward with and expand contraception mandate

posted at 10:30 pm on March 16, 2012 by Tina Korbe

The administration this afternoon released its “Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on preventive services policy.” Translation: President Barack Obama and HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius are moving forward with their controversial contraception mandate, which requires even religiously affiliated employers to provide their employees with insurance that covers contraception — even if those employers object to contraception on religious grounds.

But don’t worry: Secretary Sebelius says your religious liberty is assured, so it is assured.

“The President’s policy respects religious liberty and makes free preventive services available to women,” she said. ”Today’s announcement is the next step toward fulfilling that commitment.”

Never mind that, by drawing a distinction between actual churches and church-operated businesses like hospitals and schools, the administration effectively appropriated for itself the power to determine what constitutes ministry. Also, last I checked, there was no such thing as “free preventive services.”

Sandra Fluke should be happy, though. The administration made a final decision about whether it will require colleges to provide  students with insurance that covers contraception, as well. Take one wild guess as to what their decision was. Yep, that’s right:

Administration officials also released a final rule governing student health plans.  Under the final rule, students will gain the same consumer protections other people with individual market insurance have, like a prohibition on lifetime limits and coverage of preventive services without cost sharing.  In the same way that religious colleges and universities will not have to pay, arrange or refer for contraceptive coverage for their employees, they will not have to do so for their students who will get such coverage directly and separately from their insurer.

Note that the administration still pretends the mandate isn’t a mandate on religious employers if the insurers have to provide contraception coverage “directly and separately” to employees and students. Actually, it’s still a conscience-violating mandate, as Ed explained when the administration first announced its “accommodation”:

So these employers will still have to provide the health insurance, and the health insurance must cover the contraception and abortifacients.  The White House apparently wants to pretend that the funds for these outlays will come off of the Unobtanium Tree, where insurers find money to cover all mandates.  This exposes once again a stunning ignorance of risk pools and how costs are passed along to consumers.

Let’s just take this one step at a time.  Where do insurers get money to pay claims?  They collect premiums and co-pays from the insured group or risk pool.  No matter what the Obama administration wants to say now, the money that will cover those contraception costs will come from the religious organizations that must now by law buy that insurance and pay those premiums.  Their religious doctrines have long-standing prohibitions against participating in contraception and abortion, and nothing in this “accommodation” changes the fact that the government is now forcing them to both fund and facilitate access to products and services that offend their practice of religion.

Basically, the Obama administration told religious organizations to stop complaining and get in line.  This “accommodation” only attempts to accommodate Obama’s political standing and nothing more.

Consider also that many religious employers are self-insured and have no insurer onto whom they can push the cost of contraception insurance.

The timing of this announcement just couldn’t have been better. As The Washington Examiner’s Joel Gehrke put it, “The announcement came late Friday afternoon, on the eve of St. Patrick’s Day, as the second day of March Madness basketball games were under way.” People skip work to watch March Madness. Think they’re going to turn off the TV to dig up a dry statement from Her Consistency Kathleen Sebelius? Not likely.


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Speaking of classics…

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:12 AM

You’re angling for a luv poem…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 3:14 AM

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:06 AM

I think this covers it..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 3:15 AM

After all, there are black Conservatives/Libertarians/Right-of-center types who enjoy it here as well. *wink*

Yeah, we need more people “of color” to realize that we’re for anyone who’s willing to work hard, regardless of the color of their skin. I don’t mean to pry, but is it difficult for you to hold and express your opinions? Do black folks you encounter give you sh!t? (You don’t have to answer–I just wondered.)

Thank goodness the overwhelming majority of us are the epitome of coolness!
:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 17, 2012 at 3:06 AM

Lol. I know I’m feelin’ it!

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:15 AM

I hope they have another open registration. This website seems to have the same 40 people talking on it.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:16 AM

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 3:18 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:12 AM

Well, I’ll throw this in your pot.

Stir it up.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:19 AM

Do black folks you encounter give you sh!t? (You don’t have to answer–I just wondered.)

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:15 AM

Thanks for asking. Nah. Family and friends just assume that the Army made me nuts way back when, and I accept their shutthehellup-ness! Makes for pleasant gatherings, doncha know.
:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 17, 2012 at 3:23 AM

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 3:15 AM

Lol.
When I was a kid, I dreamed of going to England and playing pro soccer. (It was my best sport, though I never played American football in a league (I woulda been good at that.))

But, I woulda have knee trouble whatever I did–unless I sat and played video games all day.

Dream dashed.

(GOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL!)

Love those guys.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:16 AM

You have the chance to figure it out..Can you??..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Stir it up.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:19 AM

Nice Bob reference, but this is the one that bit me hard.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:25 AM

For my leetle buddy, JtL

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 3:26 AM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 17, 2012 at 3:13 AM

Good thing her wheels were locked…Cuz she was loaded

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 3:28 AM

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 3:26 AM

Ha! I was much more this.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:30 AM

Good thing her wheels were locked…Cuz she was loaded

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 3:28 AM

Hey, I’m an old soldier and I was skeered of that saucy senior!
:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 17, 2012 at 3:32 AM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 17, 2012 at 3:23 AM

Thank you for answering. It’s funny, but I felt a bit cautious asking. I do think it’s because we’re not speaking in person–it becomes more difficult to express meaning and intent.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:33 AM

:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 17, 2012 at 3:23 AM

You are cool.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:34 AM

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Is it a pony! Is he going to jump a pony? Please say it’s a pony! Tha’d be awesome!

29Victor on March 17, 2012 at 3:34 AM

Love those guys.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Hear!..Hear!..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 3:35 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:25 AM

Cool that you caught the reference.

Used to love him when I was a pot-smoking kid. (Haven’t smoked for a long time, but it’s still Tuff Gong music!)

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:37 AM

You have the chance to figure it out..Can you??..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Do you make sense to yourself?

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:38 AM

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:33 AM

I think it would have been harder in person. That “open discussion” about race is, sadly, on a far horizon that neither of us will reach in this lifetime. We still tiptoe around, talking past one another to make a point for those who already hear us.

So I really do appreciate your directness.
:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 17, 2012 at 3:40 AM

You are cool.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:34 AM

As are you, sir.
:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 17, 2012 at 3:41 AM

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:38 AM

Why are you so combative?
Why are you so angry?
Do you need to pick a fight with everyone?

I could swear that I’ve read a bunch of your comments in the past and found some sense in them. Have some sense, now, and stop battling everyone. You’re trying to fight with people without any cause.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:42 AM

Tuff Gong music!

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:37 AM

Dude, that was an epic pull. This is my favorite album of all time.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:43 AM

W

hy are you so combative?
Why are you so angry?
Do you need to pick a fight with everyone?

I could swear that I’ve read a bunch of your comments in the past and found some sense in them. Have some sense, now, and stop battling everyone. You’re trying to fight with people without any cause.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:42 AM

That’s absolutely incorrect, and you know it. It’s you and your little control freak buddies that atttack me. I just want to know why.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:43 AM

I’ve never talked to Red Crow at all in here. I would never talk to John the Liberterian b/c he’s really just wants to talk about pot and attack me personally.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:44 AM

You’re trying to fight with people without any cause.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:42 AM

Your answer is in your question. You respond. That’s the cause.

Now let him concentrate. The man is going to jump something. The anticipation is killing me.

29Victor on March 17, 2012 at 3:45 AM

Do you make sense to yourself?

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:38 AM

Oh well..Good Luck to you..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 3:46 AM

According to a guy that I have never talked to, Red Crow, I attack everbydoy on here. Yet I have never talked to him, ever. But I’m attacking him in some way.

This guy is hellbent on being some kind of victim and me being the villian.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:46 AM

Oh well..Good Luck to you..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 3:46 AM

Ok, you like speaking in code. I guess that’s what you smarmy guys have to do. :)

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:46 AM

I’m out to get you, Red Crow, guy I never talk to.

It’s all part of my master evil plan. You hang in there, tough guy.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:47 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:43 AM

Good tune..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 3:49 AM

Ignore him, he just wants a fight.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:49 AM

Ignore him, he just wants a fight.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:49 AM

I love this, you are the most contentious jackass on here, always attacking me for no reason, but you say I want to fight.

You’d think a pothead would be more mellow, but you are so angry.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:51 AM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 17, 2012 at 3:40 AM

Thanks.
I think you’re right.

What I was going to add to my previous comment to you, but left out for brevity, is that I’ve had a few experiences in my life where I’ve treated a black person exactly as I would have treated a white person, and immediately was accused of racism.

I know–it’s the person in question, etc. Same stuff exists in white people. But, it’s a hard circumstance to deal with sometimes. That race card is powerful, especially if you live in a blue state.

As I live my life and encounter people of various shades, I really don’t consider their color at all. (It’s easy with the Golden Rule.)

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:51 AM

Good tune..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 3:49 AM

It was an epic album. He was doing a live show on a radio station, and between every song they play part of the interview. You get such a deep sense of the artist.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Are the Dire Straights considered a good band? I don’t know about that one.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Dire Straights, I could listen to on the radio if they come on but I’d probably never download their music illegaly or legally.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:53 AM

He’s just looking for a fight.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:53 AM

John The Control Freak, angry angry pothead

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:54 AM

John the Control Freak, why don’t you email me what you think is accceptable for me to say and I’ll type it in for you.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:55 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:43 AM

LOVE IT!
I haven’t heard that song in forever.
That’s a song I heard late one night on WDET (Detroit’s NPR station) back when they used to play great musice every night. (Now, it’s lefty opinion all night on the weekdays. Needless to say, I don’t listen anymore.)

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:55 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Thumbs up..I will definitely check out the album further..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 3:55 AM

I can listen to ZZ TOp on the radio but I’d never buy their music

“He’s jus tlooking for a fight” Angry Paranoid John The Control Freak

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:56 AM

I’m out to get you, Red Crow, guy I never talk to.

It’s all part of my master evil plan. You hang in there, tough guy.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:47 AM

LOL.
Okay. Now I know everybody was right.
You’re off your meds.
You’re a bizarre, petty man.

Have a day.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:56 AM

LOL.
Okay. Now I know everybody was right.
You’re off your meds.
You’re a bizarre, petty man.

Have a day.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:56

I think you smoke so much pot you don’t really even know what you are saying right now.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:58 AM

I think an adult hwo types in “LOL” is pretty much telling you that aren’t all that bright. That’s like teenager speak on AOL Chatrooms from the 1990s.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:59 AM

This RedCrow guy accuses me of being out to get him and attacking him but I have never said a word to him, I don’t remember even seeing this loser on here before. This guy lives in a fantasy world and I just ask him what’s up with that and he just doubles down on his wild accusations.

It’s amazing I’m being accused of insulting somebody I never talked to before.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:01 AM

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 3:53 AM

So you don’t like Dire Straits..It is a free country..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:02 AM

So you don’t like Dire Straits..It is a free country..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:02 AM

Well according to your “liberterian” buddy, I’m out to get you if I not a Dire Straits SuperFan. You can’t even state a personal music preference without John the the Control Freak getting his panties in a wad.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:03 AM

As I live my life and encounter people of various shades, I really don’t consider their color at all. (It’s easy with the Golden Rule.)

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:51 AM

As it should be. But the heat will be turned up this election year. There are so many reasons to be pi$$ed off with the Obama administration, but race sticks so far down in this Nation’s craw that I’m afraid its distractions might unfairly color (haha) the legitimate complaints that conservatives have with him.

G’night yall!
:D

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 17, 2012 at 4:03 AM

I haven’t heard that song in forever.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 3:55 AM

I suspect you’re an aficionado. I was heavy into Tosh, Steele Pulse, Black Uhuru, Toots, even dabbled in Yellowman. And these guys.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:04 AM

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:01 AM

Have a break. Take a walk, swim, have a drink, whatever… just do something different and put this little thread in perspective.

lexhamfox on March 17, 2012 at 4:04 AM

I can’t even say that I can listen to Dire Straigts on the radio but probably wouldn’t buy their music without being attacked by some weirdo on here with some anger issues.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:04 AM

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:01 AM

Have a break. Take a walk, swim, have a drink, whatever… just do something different and put this little thread in perspective.

lexhamfox on March 17, 2012 at 4:04 AM

Here’s an idea, you do what you just told me to do. Stop trying to control me. I’m not trying to control you. Stop being a nutjob.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:05 AM

JtL,

You played “pearl necklace”. Whatcha think about “pulling muscles from a shell”?…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:05 AM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on March 17, 2012 at 4:03 AM

Night, Lady.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 4:05 AM

If you are personally attacking people over an opinion about music preferences, you have some anger issues out there. You need to get help on that.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:07 AM

Whatcha think about “pulling muscles from a shell”?…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:05 AM

Beyond the double entendre? I actually caught these guys waaaay long time ago…

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:07 AM

Uhhh, mussels…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:08 AM

Here’s an idea, you do what you just told me to do. Stop trying to control me. I’m not trying to control you. Stop being a nutjob.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:05 AM

Not trying to control you at all. It obviously affects you more.

lexhamfox on March 17, 2012 at 4:09 AM

Not trying to control you at all. It obviously affects you more.

lexhamfox on March 17, 2012 at 4:09 AM

Ok, giving a stranger on the internet a list of things he should do isn’t about you trying to control me. Hah!

Here’s an idea, you stop being a henpecking dork, and say something interesting.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:10 AM

lexhamfox on March 17, 2012 at 4:09 AM

He’s been betraying a lot of mommy and daddy issues tonight.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:11 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:04 AM

I listened to a great variety of music when I was younger. But, as far as Caribean music goes, I’m afraid I only got Marley and Tosh. That tune is pretty cool, though. It kinda reminds me of Motown and also of hispanic music. (I like it.)

This is great.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 4:12 AM

The difference b/t me and control freaks like John the “liberterian” is it doesn’t occur to me to tell people they should do x, y and z. That’s all they want to do. These guys are liberterians, they aren’t conservatives. They have no use for freedom of speech except for themselves.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:12 AM

Well, g’night and happy St. Pat’s all.

In a vision of the night, I saw a man whose name was Victoricus coming as it from Ireland with innumerable letters, and he gave me one of them, and I read the beginning of the letter: “The Voice of the Irish”, and as I was reading the beginning of the letter I seemed at that moment to hear the voice of those who were beside the forest of Foclut which is near the western sea, and the were crying as if with one voice: “‘We beg you, holy youth, that you shall come and shall walk again among us.” And I was stung intensely in my heart so that I could read no more, and thus I awoke. Thanks be to God, because after so many years the Lord bestowed on them according to their cry.

Saint Patrick

29Victor on March 17, 2012 at 4:13 AM

I’m perplexed that the biggest Stalinist on this website thinks he’s a liberterian. Maybew he thinks his support for pot alone makes him a liberterian. Probably some truth to that.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:13 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:07 AM

Doubling down…I can’t believe you didn’t link to the brunette vid…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:14 AM

The thing about guys who abuse drugs is they always look like 50 years older than they are, like those Rolling Stones guys. I always show my 3 boys a picture of Mick Jagger and the other guy and say that’s what you are going to look like if you abuse drugs.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:17 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:11 AM

Channeling Baby too in a big way. Life’s too short.

lexhamfox on March 17, 2012 at 4:17 AM

This is great.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 4:12 AM

Love those guys… seen ‘em live at least a dozen times…

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:17 AM

Doubling down…I can’t believe you didn’t link to the brunette vid…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:14 AM

ALL IN, Hawgs!

Lol.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 4:18 AM

Life so short that John the Control freak and Fox the Control Freak head straight to the political comment board and complain for hours about others.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:18 AM

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:13 AM

*facepalm*..Check that ..Double facepalm*

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:19 AM

Dire Straights, I’m just guess you post on Fark a lot. You got that Fark lingo memorized like it’s super cool. :)

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:20 AM

Doubling down…I can’t believe you didn’t link to the brunette vid…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:14 AM

Most awesome. And here is the first song celebrating impotence…

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:21 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:17 AM

Awesome.
Well, I gotta get up at 10am, so it’s time for me to bid you all a fond adieu.
(So I shall.)
Adieu. Bon soir.

RedCrow on March 17, 2012 at 4:22 AM

If you are personally attacking people over an opinion about music preferences, you have some anger issues out there. You need to get help on that.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:07 AM

This is going to be my last post to you as you are going to be ignored from now on, but it’s because you’re an irritating idiot.

So no, it’s not them. It’s you. Seek help.

HTH.

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:22 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:17 AM

Very good band..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:23 AM

This is going to be my last post to you as you are going to be ignored from now on, but it’s because you’re an irritating idiot.

So no, it’s not them. It’s you. Seek help.

HTH.

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:22 AM

Well I guess I’m really going to be missing out because you seem super cool, not a nag at all.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:23 AM

I didn’t know there was a first post from the broomstick woman. But that’s her last post, she really showed me up. How can a man not want to talk to a woman like that.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:24 AM

And yeah, when you are wigging out at me over harmless comments about music or how I would deal with bullies, etc, you have some anger issues. I’ve learned there are a lot of angry people on the internet.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:26 AM

Broomstick woman?…

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:28 AM

I wonder if this anger on the internet is a by product of the poor economy. People taking out their frustrations over the economy on strangers on the internet. I think it’s a real possiblity.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:28 AM

Think about it, smart guy, you’ll get it.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:28 AM

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:28 AM

He’s talking to himself again. This could go on for hours.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:29 AM

He’s talking to himself again. This could go on for hours.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:29 AM

You are talking about me again, even when I’m not here, b/c let’s face it, you can’t carry a conversation. :)

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:30 AM

Very good band..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:23 AM

I had a feeling you liked them…

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:30 AM

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:28 AM

You do remember the 16 hour post my friend??!!???..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:31 AM

John the Control Freak is a man of few words but if he does speak, it’s basically to tell other people to shut up. I’m a little amused and bewildered that the pothead guy is the angriest guy on here. I thought these guys were supposed to be super laid back and cool. This guy sounds like he could go postal at any moment.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:32 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:30 AM

Thumbs up..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:32 AM

Gohawgs on March 17, 2012 at 4:28 AM

He’s talking to himself again. This could go on for hours.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:29 AM

That’s because no one else will pay him any attention. So many threads rendered unreadable by nonsensical and idiotic rambling.

Does this usually happen? I bail early.

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:32 AM

You do remember the 16 hour post my friend??!!???..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:31 AM

I’m trying to recall the most epic meltdowns on HA. Lourdes was one, then there was Jenfidel…

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:33 AM

John the Control Freak, I never bought pot before, but if you tell me how to get it, I’ll buy you some if it will you relax some…maybe you just need to your fix.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:33 AM

kim roy’s always complaining about me but I never see the broomstick woman actually talk politics. I talk politics.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:34 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:33 AM

You are correct..Looks like we are heading in that direction..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:34 AM

Does this usually happen? I bail early.

kim roy on March 17, 2012 at 4:32 AM

It gets pretty incoherent, yes.

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:35 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:33 AM

I enjoyed your post tonight..:)

Dire Straits on March 17, 2012 at 4:35 AM

John the Libertarian on March 17, 2012 at 4:33 AM

I remember Jenfidel. Had some loop dee loops her.

Legend.

lexhamfox on March 17, 2012 at 4:36 AM

If John the Liberterian po;sts something longer than 3 words, it’s a miracle. WHy this guy is on a political comment blog is kind of curious to me. Sounds like he’s not much interested in anything but pot and music and being angry about stuff.

Dr. Tesla on March 17, 2012 at 4:36 AM

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