Romney: Very conservative voters might not be with me now but they will be in November

posted at 7:47 pm on March 14, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via RCP, the key bit comes at around 3:40. This is his whole strategy in a nutshell and I still can’t decide whether to admire him or loathe him for it. He doesn’t care if you trust him. He doesn’t care if his rallies leave you flat. He doesn’t care if pulling the lever for him reduces you to dry heaves in the voting booth. He cares about two things: 1,144 and 270, and he’s likely to achieve at least the first thanks to hard work, careful planning, and the great good luck of having extraordinarily weak competition. Those qualities — high energy, fortitude, diligence, not needing to be liked — could be huge assets in a president if he applied them to enacting a worthy policy agenda, starting with entitlement reform. But I don’t think he’d use them to policy ends; he’d use them to position himself for re-election by pandering to centrists, which means no meaningful entitlement reform or anything else. He’s telling you right here why he’d be such a risk in office to the right. When push comes to shove, you’ll always hold your nose and vote against the Democrat, no matter how annoyed at him you might be. And he knows it — and he doesn’t care. He doesn’t need his base to like him. That’s a recipe for squishiness.

And yet:

Mitt Romney leads the pack in the race for the Republican presidential nomination. He’s also the second pick for enough Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich supporters that if one of them dropped out, Romney would remain the frontrunner.

Romney has the backing of 38 percent of Republican primary voters in a Fox News poll released Wednesday. He’s followed by Santorum at 32 percent, Gingrich at 13 percent and Paul at 12 percent…

In a straight two-way matchup, GOP primary voters prefer Romney to Santorum by 49-44 percent

Meanwhile, a 58-percent majority of primary voters would rather nominate a candidate who is more likely to beat President Obama, even if the candidate is not a true conservative. Less than a third — 31 percent — would pick the true conservative who might be less electable.

Romney actually leads Obama by nine points on the question of who’s best equipped to manage the economy, but head to head overall O leads by four. The key data point:

That’s a nice trend for Mitt, but again — he doesn’t care either way. The magic number is 270. If it all comes from column two instead of column one, hey.

Here’s his interview today with Megyn Kelly. Watch for the part where she asks him whether Newt should drop out; Romney, who I think is benefiting considerably from Gingrich’s perseverance notwithstanding the poll data above, conveniently has no opinion. There’s a fun exchange on the mandate at the very end too, but that’s because of the old clip Kelly chose to torment him with. In that same vein, via BuzzFeed’s Andrew Kaczynski, watch the second one below on the vagaries of “ultimate conservatism.”



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Way to state the obvious…

tom daschle concerned on March 14, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Ask John McCain how that worked out for him in 2008.

portlandon on March 14, 2012 at 7:49 PM

I wouldn’t count on it…..

idesign on March 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM

That’s not saying much. I’d vote for a steaming pile of dog sh*t if it ran against Obama.
Get your ducks in a row, nancy boy.

RovesChins on March 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM

IF you make it that far, Mitt. You’d better hope you do, cause I’m not ready to swallow that vinegar quite yet.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Romney: Very conservative voters might not be with me now but they will be in November

It doesn’t take all that many conservatives to do the walk on by on election day.

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Delusional. A lot will suck it up and take one for the team, but a lot will stay home. I hear this all the time from friends who are not even political junkies. They just have no desire to choose between Obama or somebody like Obama.

Southernblogger on March 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM

No, I won’t. Sorry.

kringeesmom on March 14, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Not this one.

topdawg on March 14, 2012 at 7:53 PM

That’s a recipe for squishiness.

Yeah and I’m betting it will be Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe & Susan Collins levels of squishiness…still better than Obama, but it’s not nearly enough to save the country.

AUINSC on March 14, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Delusional. A lot will suck it up and take one for the team, but a lot will stay home. I hear this all the time from friends who are not even political junkies. They just have no desire to choose between Obama or somebody like Obama.

Southernblogger on March 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Oh really? If you’re basing your assertion on anecdotal data, I could say the same thing about Rombots if Santorum gets the nod. For all the supposed importance of beating Obama, Rombots can be just as intransigent.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 7:53 PM

We have to give whoever it is a strongly conservative Congress.

rbj on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Anybody who reads and comments here and thinks this is news is clueless and has been in a vacuum the last year.

THIS is why having Obama 4 more is almost no worse.

davek70 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Delusional. A lot will suck it up and take one for the team, but a lot will stay home. I hear this all the time from friends who are not even political junkies. They just have no desire to choose between Obama or somebody like Obama.

Southernblogger on March 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM

It’s a good thing then that they’ll be able to choose between Obama and Romney.

alchemist19 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Kiss my grits.

Key West Reader on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

It doesn’t take all that many conservatives to do the walk on by on election day.

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM

You’re not conservative if you don’t vote to oust Obama. Period.

Swerve22 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

President John McCain fully agrees.

angryed on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Mitt goes Borg

ITguy on March 14, 2012 at 7:55 PM

When push comes to shove, you’ll always hold your nose and vote against the Democrat, no matter how annoyed at him you might be. And he knows it — and he doesn’t care. He doesn’t need his base to like him. That’s a recipe for squishiness.

Awwww…

Lourdes on March 14, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Not this kid, Romney. You’re on your own, champ.

Dack Thrombosis on March 14, 2012 at 7:55 PM

He doesn’t care if pulling the lever for him reduces you to dry heaves in the voting booth.

Not to mention:

1. Fits of screaming
2. Uncontrollable crying
3. Dizziness

SouthernGent on March 14, 2012 at 7:55 PM

You’re not conservative if you don’t vote to oust Obama. Period.

Swerve22 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Bears repeating.

Lourdes on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Romney forgets that in 2000 Florida was won by 500 votes or less than 0.1% of the total. It doesn’t take every single conservative to stay home. All it takes is a very, very small % and it’s enough to turn a state blue instead of red.

angryed on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

We have to give whoever it is a strongly severely conservative Congress.

rbj on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

FIFY. ;-)

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

ABO. Memorize it. Repeat it hourly. Eye on the goal.

a capella on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

If you don’t vote for Mitt, we will elect a guy who passed a huge government controlled mandated healthcare program.

Oh wait…..

portlandon on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

You’re not conservative if you don’t vote to oust Obama. Period.

Swerve22 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

And you’re really conservative if you vote to replace black Obama with white Obama?

angryed on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

You’re not conservative if you don’t vote to oust Obama. Period.

Swerve22 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Maybe you should go out there and scream at them as they walk by that they are traitors…and maybe you could spit at them a few times? I hear that’s really convincing!

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Romney’s merely saying what the establishment thinks: the rubes will eat the dog food. That sort of smugness and arrogance is going to prove fatal, if not in the primaries then definitely in November.

ddrintn on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

You’re not conservative if you don’t vote to oust Obama. Period.

Swerve22 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Very true

rich801 on March 14, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Don’t be so sure Mittens.

JellyToast on March 14, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Mittenz sez….

“Sure you can’t stand me, but you’ll vote for me”!

(you suckers voted for McRino didn’t ya???)

*insert evil laugh*

Tim_CA on March 14, 2012 at 7:57 PM

He doesn’t care if you trust him. He doesn’t care if his rallies leave you flat. He doesn’t care if pulling the lever for him reduces you to dry heaves in the voting booth.

Mind reading must be very taxing.

RasThavas on March 14, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Romney will win. After that, it’s downhill.

rickv404 on March 14, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Sounds like a lot of people are going to emulate a frustrated virgin – will I, won’t I?

OldEnglish on March 14, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Mind reading must be very taxing.

RasThavas on March 14, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Ask the Santorum detractors. They’ll tell you.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Romney: Very conservative voters might not be with me now but they will be in November

Not me, but I’m not a conservative, I like small-gov not big.

FloatingRock on March 14, 2012 at 7:59 PM

THIS is why having Obama 4 more is almost no worse.

davek70 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

No, no, nooo. Obama in the Presidency is responsible for outrageous harms against our nation, government, not to mention economy and justice system. There is NO Republican who would do as worse as Obama, if not even close to the damage done by Obama. Another four years of Obama spells ruin for us, utter ruin. I can’t bear to think about just what ruin. He has to be replaced, has to be.

Lourdes on March 14, 2012 at 7:59 PM

I wouldn’t count on it…..

idesign on March 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Thanks for reminding me who I have to blame for medical socialism, $5 trillion in new Federal debt, about 10,000 pages of crippling new Federal regulation, 14% unemployment, two new retarded Supreme Court judges, dozens of fascist executive orders, a racist Department of Justice, and the worst recovery from recession in modern history.

Thank you…good thinking.

Jaibones on March 14, 2012 at 7:59 PM

65% of Republicans don’t like Mittens
Republicans make up 40% of the electorate.
If even 5% of that 65% either stay home or vote for Obams, that’s 1.3% of the electorate that Mittens can kiss good bye but would otherwise be a lock if he didn’t spit on them every chance he got.

Good luck with that strategy in Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Michigan, Florida, etc.

angryed on March 14, 2012 at 7:59 PM

1,144 and 270, and he’s likely to achieve at least the first thanks to hard work, careful planning, and the great good luck of having extraordinarily weak competition

Nice way to spin his his ruthless in using smear merchants,attack ads, buying off state committees, rigging votes to benefit him, all of which still making life difficult for him to get to that 1,144.

When will you admit he’s another Charlie Crist? You were all angry with Crist for attacking Rubio and this guy has destroyed more than one conservative star and you still shill for him.

promachus on March 14, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Romney will win. After that, it’s downhill.

rickv404 on March 14, 2012 at 7:58 PM

The nomination. After THAT it’s downhill.

You’re not conservative if you don’t vote to oust Obama. Period.

Swerve22 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

What if the alternative’s Hillary? Would it still be “unconservative”?

ddrintn on March 14, 2012 at 8:00 PM

You’re not conservative if you don’t vote to oust Obama. Period.

Swerve22 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

No, that statement perhaps might be true if it were, “You’re not a Republican if you don’t vote to oust Obama“. But voting for Romney against Obama does not make you a conservative. To phrase it as you did, well frankly is intellectually dishonest.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 8:00 PM

So he’s counting on “hold-my-nose votes”, essentially. How pathetic.

MelonCollie on March 14, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Maybe you should go out there and scream at them as they walk by that they are traitors…and maybe you could spit at them a few times? I hear that’s really convincing!

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Like they do to Mitt supporters? No thanks, we’ll just watch the country go down in flames with Obama leading the charge off the bridge for another four years because your “conservative concience” didn’t allow to you replace him with an evil “moderate”.

Swerve22 on March 14, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I don’t think that’s a fair reading of Romey’s comments, AP. I think his remarks about “very conservative” voters are an elliptical reference to evangelical/social con voters. And let’s face it–those voters and Romney don’t get along all that well. Romney is Mormon, and evangelicals weren’t shy in 2008 about telling Romney that Mormons need not apply. Plus, Romney has historically been libertarian on social issues, which is fairly common among Mormons (who tend to prefer to police their own community’s morality rather than the government), but which is not a good thing for pro life voters.

So I don’t think that Romney is a secret liberal who will be just like Obama if elected. He’s just saying that e thinks evangelical voters will e able to set their religious differences with Romney aside in the fall because the economy is issue #1.

Outlander on March 14, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Gingrich has a lot in common with muslim suicide bombers.

RasThavas on March 14, 2012 at 8:01 PM

You’re not conservative if you don’t vote to oust Obama. Period.

Swerve22 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

And replace him with a left leaning pro-choice global warming believing anti-gun rights RINO who is the father of ObamaCare.

Right.

JellyToast on March 14, 2012 at 8:01 PM

“From Hell’s heart I stab at thee. For Hate’s sake, I spit my last breath at thee…” – Newt

:)

Seven Percent Solution on March 14, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Giving up?!??!?! Say it ain’t so!

Lost in Jersey on March 14, 2012 at 8:01 PM

ABO. Restore the constitution, renew the republic. Memorize it. Repeat it hourly. Eye on the goal.

a capella on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Sorry, but getting rid of Obama is a means to an end. It is not what will save our republic in the end.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Romney: Very conservative voters might not be with me now but they will be in November

Not me, but I’m not a conservative, I like small-gov not big.

FloatingRock on March 14, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Though I agree on socio-religious issues with Santorum, he is, in fact, more of a big-government politician than is Romney. So I can vote for Romney accordingly — smaller government politician than the other — and certainly smaller govt. President than Obama.

Rescinding Obamacare is primary, also so many other things and I believe either Romney or Santorum can do such but I do question that Santorum won’t, not completely.

Lourdes on March 14, 2012 at 8:01 PM

John McCain was up 15 points in the polls in August. You silly red meat trolls here at HA don’t have a political clue in your body as to why Obama won in 2008. It wasn’t because McCain was a squish.

SuperBunny on March 14, 2012 at 8:02 PM

There’s NO FU—– WAY I’m voting for Romney. I’d rather shove the “70 page” Romneycare bill up my azz – sideways.

noeastern on March 14, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Mittens seems to think that Republican voters have no integrity. It’s almost as if he thinks… he. is… inevitable.

Or something.

What an arrogant snob. This isn’t over Willard, ya rat bastige.

Key West Reader on March 14, 2012 at 8:02 PM

i think in obama vs romney i’d voted for obama because he cares about the base of his party.

newrouter on March 14, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Thanks for reminding me who I have to blame for medical socialism, $5 trillion in new Federal debt, about 10,000 pages of crippling new Federal regulation, 14% unemployment, two new retarded Supreme Court judges, dozens of fascist executive orders, a racist Department of Justice, and the worst recovery from recession in modern history.

Thank you…good thinking.

Jaibones on March 14, 2012 at 7:59 PM

A vote the GOP doesn’t get from someone who stayed home isn’t a vote for Obama. That junk is getting really old. If the GOP misses out on anyone’s vote, Obama’s vote total stays the same. Next time run someone other than a squish. Two in a row is a bit much.

ddrintn on March 14, 2012 at 8:02 PM

So much for hope and change I was hoping Mitt had changed

ldbgcoleman on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

That sounds a lot like a Karl Rove strategy…

d1carter on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

There’s NO FU—– WAY I’m voting for Romney. I’d rather shove the “70 page” Romneycare bill up my azz – sideways.

noeastern on March 14, 2012 at 8:02 PM

So am I correct to assume that if it’s Romney vs. Obama in the general, you’ll stay home?

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

ABO. Restore the constitution, renew the republic. Memorize it. Repeat it hourly. Eye on the goal.

a capella on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Sorry, but getting rid of Obama is a means to an end. It is not what will save our republic in the end.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 8:01 PM

What “a capella” wrote ^^.

And, at “gryphon,” “getting rid of Obama is…not what will save our republic,” but it’s a big start.

Lourdes on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

So if I understand the Mittbot position…

We have to get rid of the liberal who nationalized health care, raised taxes, increased spending, appointed radical judges and is pro-abortion

and replace him with

a liberal who nationalized health care, raised taxes, increased spending, appointed radical judges and is pro-abortion

angryed on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

“Loathe Him” gets my vote

multiuseless on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

ABO. Memorize it. Repeat it hourly. Eye on the goal.

a capella on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

sorry dude or dudetter, I DO NOT VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS. . .ROMNEY IS A DEMOCRAT AND SO IS OBAMA . . .NO VOTES FROM ME! Tak THAT to the bank baby!

DUMP MITT NOW!

No Obamneycare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pragmatic on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

I would not count on that Mitt. There’s some real douches that are “Very Conservative” voters.

rubberneck on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

A B O

that’s all that matters folks…

cmsinaz on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Mittens seems to think that Republican voters have no integrity. It’s almost as if he thinks… he. is… inevitable.

Or something.

What an arrogant snob. This isn’t over Willard, ya rat bastige.

Key West Reader on March 14, 2012 at 8:02 PM

No, just the conservative ones.

JellyToast on March 14, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Santorum, he is, in fact, more of a big-government politician than is Romney.

hahahaha romneycare hahahaha

newrouter on March 14, 2012 at 8:04 PM

John McCain was up 15 points in the polls in August. You silly red meat trolls here at HA don’t have a political clue in your body as to why Obama won in 2008. It wasn’t because McCain was a squish.

SuperBunny on March 14, 2012 at 8:02 PM

LOL

Hotline/FD 8/18 – 8/24 1022 RV 3.0 44 40 Obama +4
USA Today/Gallup 8/21 – 8/23 765 LV 4.0 48 45 Obama +3
ABC News/Wash Post 8/19 – 8/22 LV – 49 45 Obama +4
FOX News 8/19 – 8/20 900 RV 3.0 42 39 Obama +3
CBS News/NY Times 8/15 – 8/19 869 RV 3.0 45 42 Obama +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 8/15 – 8/18 1005 RV 3.1 45 42 Obama +3
LA Times/Bloomberg 8/15 – 8/18 1248 RV – 45 43 Obama +2
Gallup Tracking 8/15 – 8/17 2660 RV 2.0 46 43 Obama +3
Rasmussen Tracking 8/15 – 8/17 3000 LV 2.0 47 46 Obama +1

angryed on March 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM

ABO. Memorize it. Repeat it hourly. Eye on the goal.

a capella on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

sorry dude or dudette, I DO NOT VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS. . .ROMNEY IS A DEMOCRAT AND SO IS OBAMA . . .NO VOTES FROM ME! Tak THAT to the bank baby!

DUMP MITT NOW!

No Obamneycare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pragmatic on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Pragmatic on March 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM

your “conservative concience” didn’t allow to you replace him with an evil “moderate”.

Swerve22 on March 14, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I realize principles make you Romney supporters uncomfortable given Romney’s history, but I fail to see how Romney is anything but a Democrat. There is no point in replacing one Democrat with another.

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Thats what I call healing process: Tell conservatives that you take them for granted.

Valkyriepundit on March 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM

No, no, nooo. Obama in the Presidency is responsible for outrageous harms against our nation, government, not to mention economy and justice system. There is NO Republican who would do as worse as Obama, if not even close to the damage done by Obama. Another four years of Obama spells ruin for us, utter ruin. I can’t bear to think about just what ruin. He has to be replaced, has to be.

Lourdes on March 14, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Sometimes you need to tear the house down and rebuild from the base – call it the phoenix method.

noeastern on March 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM

John McCain was up 15 points in the polls in August.

No he wasn’t. He led Obama and Clinton by 10 points in March; led for about 15 minutes by a point or two after the Saddleback Church thing; and then didn’t lead again until Palin.

You silly red meat trolls here at HA don’t have a political clue in your body as to why Obama won in 2008. It wasn’t because McCain was a squish.

SuperBunny on March 14, 2012 at 8:02 PM

It was the collapse of Lehman Brothers and McCain’s squishy reaction to it, plus his utter failure to take Obama on.

ddrintn on March 14, 2012 at 8:06 PM

There’s NO FU—– WAY I’m voting for Romney. I’d rather shove the “70 page” Romneycare bill up my azz – sideways.

noeastern on March 14, 2012 at 8:02 PM

So am I correct to assume that if it’s Romney vs. Obama in the general, you’ll stay home?

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

With a sore butt and extreme constipation?

Tim_CA on March 14, 2012 at 8:06 PM

And, at “gryphon,” “getting rid of Obama is…not what will save our republic,” but it’s a big start.

Lourdes on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Absolutely. That is why if need be, I will wear my SCBA gear (cause a clothespin on my nose won’t cut it) and go into the booth to vote AGAINST Obama. What percentage of my fellow ABR’s feel the same, I don’t know. But Willard Milton seems to be counting on votes from some people that might have voted for him had he not said this particular piece of crass arrogance. No better way to turn off voters than to insult them, right Rick Perry?

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 8:06 PM

this one is going to vote and will skip the president line. Going to vote for my congressman and senator.

donyalola on March 14, 2012 at 8:06 PM

People have to try to understand that we, the GOP, won’t win against Obama without Independents, Moderates and some of the more conservative Democrats. A candidate “far right” and favored as celebrity among the trendy on the right isn’t going to attract a lot of those “middle” voters and will, in fact, dissuade them from supporting them.

This isn’t selling out as to Conservatives, it’s called winning the election and we get nothing for no one, Conservatives included, if we don’t win the election/s.

Lourdes on March 14, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Not me, Mitt.

Stoic Patriot on March 14, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Memo to the ANBODY BUT ROMNEY people. Trust me, I understand the ickiness of it all, but DO NOT STAY HOME. AT LEAST GO VOTE IN YOUR STATE, LOCAL, AND CONGRESSIONAL RACES. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. We cannot have another 4 years of Barack/Nancy/Harry.

SouthernGent on March 14, 2012 at 8:08 PM

None of Obama’s concern trolls here will vote for Romney.

Shocka!

profitsbeard on March 14, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Romney: Very conservative voters might not be with me now but they will be in November

yeah that’s what you think. but you’re in for a rude awakening when you see that we’re not all so excited and ready to rush to your side.

Sachiko on March 14, 2012 at 8:08 PM

“which means no meaningful entitlement reform or anything else.”

Exactly what I told my 22 year old. Even if we somehow get a President Romney there will be none of the reforms that we need to keep from going over the cliff. None. Only a certain former governor from an obscure, distant state three times the size of Texas offered any hope for those reforms. Which is why I was hopefully of her run for the Presidency. Even if we lost that least we would be swinging for the fences.

Tarnsman on March 14, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Conservatives will have two choices in November: Romney, or Obama.

Romney understands this. The sooner conservatives do, the better.

The Buckley Rule stands.

The Resolute Desk on March 14, 2012 at 8:09 PM

A B O

that’s all that matters folks…

cmsinaz on March 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM

I have higher standards: ABOOMR (anyone but obama or mitt romney)!

Pragmatic on March 14, 2012 at 8:09 PM

You’re not dopey headed pragmatist if you don’t vote to oust Obama. Period.

Swerve22 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

There, I fixed it for you.

noeastern on March 14, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Ask John McCain how that worked out for him in 2008.

McCain didn’t lose in 08 because he was insufficiently conservative, he lost because he was a Republican. The country had Bush fatigue, we had a lot of people excited about “making history” with Obama, and the economy tanked 6 weeks before the election. Reagan reincarnated would have likely lost that one.

Similarly, if Romney wins or loses, it won’t be because he is not conservative enough. The election comes down to two questions for the vast mushy middle of the electorate, the 40% of the population who actually decide these things:

a) Do I like the job the current guy is doing? If the answer is yes, stop there, because the incumbent wins. If the answer is “no”, then,

b) Do I think the other guy has a decent shot of doing better? If the answer is yes, the challenger wins. If no, they default back to the incumbent.

Reagan didn’t win in 80 because he was a conservative. He won because he a0 wasn’t Jimmy Carter, and b) sufficiently assured the electorate that he could be trusted to do the job. (It was a near thing on point b. I was a kid at the time, but I remember people talking about how Reagan would have us at war with the USSR in days if elected. IT wasn’t until he came off well in the debates that he finally opened a lead up on Carter. That race was close until then.)

Similarly, Reagan didn’t win in 84 because he was conservative. He won because the country was going gangbusters. Bush I won in 88 riding on Reagan’s good times and lost in 92 due to a recession.

So while “conservative enough” matters a lot to the primary electorate, it won’t matter a hill of beans in the general.

FWIW, I think Romney wins the “Do I think the other guy can do better” question for the general electorate. I don’t think Santorum or Gingrich do.

FuzzyLogic on March 14, 2012 at 8:09 PM

John McCain was up 15 points in the polls in August. You silly red meat trolls here at HA don’t have a political clue in your body as to why Obama won in 2008. It wasn’t because McCain was a squish.

SuperBunny on March 14, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Pants on fire.

Key West Reader on March 14, 2012 at 8:09 PM

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Sure. Rombots are disaffected Obama voters anyway though.

Southernblogger on March 14, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Memo to the ANBODY BUT ROMNEY people. Trust me, I understand the ickiness of it all, but DO NOT STAY HOME. AT LEAST GO VOTE IN YOUR STATE, LOCAL, AND CONGRESSIONAL RACES. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. We cannot have another 4 years of Barack/Nancy/Harry.

SouthernGent on March 14, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Of course. I’ll definitely be voting GOP down ticket. I just don’t know what I’ll do about the top of the ballot yet.

ddrintn on March 14, 2012 at 8:09 PM

it sounds like we are going to have another 4 years of dear leader from this thread

*sigh*

thanks

cmsinaz on March 14, 2012 at 8:09 PM

This isn’t selling out as to Conservatives, it’s called winning the election and we get nothing for no one, Conservatives included, if we don’t win the election/s.

Lourdes on March 14, 2012 at 8:07 PM

And as God is my witness, we won’t win elections if Willard Milton Romney continues to treat his voters as if he has this thing locked up from here to the first Tuesday in November. Romney is to the point where he is just begging voters to flip him the electoral bird, and he still has over 700 delegates to go before he secures the nomination, if he does. Sounds like with all that campaigning he’s done between 2008 and now, he might be suffering a little stump speech fatigue.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 8:10 PM

He doesn’t care if you trust him. He doesn’t care if his rallies leave you flat. He doesn’t care if pulling the lever for him reduces you to dry heaves in the voting booth. He cares about two things: 1,144 and 270…

How do you know? You have no idea what he cares about.
Romney has claimed to be a conservative 10,000 times in this race, & he’s talked conservative policy, too.
If he didn’t care, why would he do these?

…and he’s likely to achieve at least the first thanks to hard work, careful planning, and the great good luck of having extraordinarily weak competition.

You’re exactly right on all counts.
Especially the extraordinarily weak competition part.
Yet folks keep dreaming that they’re somehow more conservative & better than Mitt.

itsnotaboutme on March 14, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Memo to the ANBODY BUT ROMNEY people. Trust me, I understand the ickiness of it all, but DO NOT STAY HOME. AT LEAST GO VOTE IN YOUR STATE, LOCAL, AND CONGRESSIONAL RACES. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. We cannot have another 4 years of Barack/Nancy/Harry.

SouthernGent on March 14, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Yeah, I will. I’m just not voting for Romney.

Dack Thrombosis on March 14, 2012 at 8:11 PM

You’re not conservative if you don’t vote to oust Obama. Period.

Swerve22 on March 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM
Bears repeating.

Lourdes on March 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

You’re not conservative if you vote for a Democrat . . .ANY Democrat ROMNEY AND OBAMA ARE BOTH DEMOCRATS WHO LOVE TO TAKE OUR LIBERTY WITH ROMNEYCARE AND OBAMACARE, AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS.

DUMP MITTENS NOW!

Perry/West 2012

Pragmatic on March 14, 2012 at 8:11 PM

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Sure. Rombots are disaffected Obama voters anyway though.

Southernblogger on March 14, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Sometimes I can’t help but wonder.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 8:12 PM

It’s all about whether I trust Romney would repeal Obamacare.

As long as he doesn’t admit Romneycare was wrong, how can I trust him? I can’t.

At this time I do not see myself going to the polls to pick between Obama and Obama-lite.

Varchild on March 14, 2012 at 8:12 PM

The Buckley Rule stands.

The Resolute Desk on March 14, 2012 at 8:09 PM

The Buckley Rule applies to conservatives. It has nothing to do with Romney.

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Romney: Very conservative voters might not be with me now but they will be in November

Gee, Willard! Is that sorta kinda like you forcing yourself on a woman who loathes you, forcing her to marry you and then saying, “aww heck, she’ll get used to me. Now bring me a sammich”.

/Arrogant.

Key West Reader on March 14, 2012 at 8:12 PM

I will be voting all down-ticket races (conservatives only) but will not be voting for President if Romney is the nominee (He’s a Democrat folks)!

Pragmatic on March 14, 2012 at 8:13 PM

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