Open thread: Alabama and Mississippi; NBC calls Alabama for Santorum; Fox News calls Mississippi for Santorum; Santorum video added

posted at 7:30 pm on March 13, 2012 by Allahpundit

The polls close at 8 p.m. ET. Am I right in thinking that after two months and 26 elections, these are the first primaries that are legit toss-ups between all three candidates? Until now, it’s always been Romney vs. either Santorum or Gingrich as the regionally designated Not Romney, but tonight either state could break for any of them. RCP has them separated by less than three points in Alabama and six points in Mississippi. And bear in mind, per Nate Silver, polls of the deep south have been less reliable in recent years than polls of other regions. Anything could happen here, including a pair of 32/31/30 splits. Excitement.

Jay Cost notes that Romney should have a better shot in Alabama because he does well with urban voters and there are more of them there than in Mississippi. Serious question, though. Is a sweep Mitt’s most desirable outcome tonight? He badly wants to win one of these states so that he can claim the approval of the GOP’s southern base, but if he takes them both, Gingrich will be devastated and might very well quit notwithstanding his tough talk this morning. Romney doesn’t want a two-man race with Santorum: If Team Sweater Vest starts beating him head to head, then Mitt could well end up in June with a plurality of delegates (thanks to proportional rules) but a badly weakened case for why he should be the nominee at a brokered convention. I’m thinking maybe his optimal scenario is to win one state and have Newt win the other. That’ll keep Gingrich in the game while still giving Romney bragging rights about a win in the deep south. By the same token, the Romney (and Gingrich) disaster scenario is Santorum winning both states. It would give RS a killer talking point about the base lining up behind him to be the RINO dragon-slayer, which might be the death blow for Newt.

Here’s the Google Elections page for all your result-following needs. Don’t get too caught up in delegate counts for these states, though — Hawaii and American Samoa are also voting today so the numbers will change as their results come in overnight. (Romney is favored.) Lots of updates coming, including exit polls as soon as they’re available. While we wait, a point to ponder: Are we sure that Gingrich dropping out would be a big problem for Mitt? His own team claims that it wouldn’t. Based on some of the poll data, they might be right.

Update: Preliminary exit poll results show a lots of evangelicals turning out in both states, which is no surprise and is good news for Santorum, needless to say. The proportion of those voters in Alabama and Mississippi are in line with the proportions in Tennessee and Oklahoma, both of which he won comfortably.

Update: Via BuzzFeed’s Andrew Kaczynski, a lesson from 2007 on … “ultimate conservatism.”

Update: As promised, the Alabama and Mississippi exit polls. Back in a few with highlights.

Update: An interesting gender split in Alabama: Newt narrowly won men while Santorum won women by eight points. (So much for the “women hate RS” meme.) And yet, based on the numbers, it looks like Newt is set to finish just a hair behind Romney in third place. Two other interesting data points. First, ideology:

That’s confirmation of the CW all the way. Santorum wins righties over Newt, the center-right splits three ways, and then Romney cleans up with moderates and liberals. Similarly:

Rarely have you seen three different candidates split this perennial question about qualities the electorate is looking for, but here you go. Again, perfect reflection of the CW. See why we’re in for a close race?

Misssissippi exit analysis coming up.

Update: Same odd story for Newt in Mississippi. He wins narrowly among men but may yet end up finishing a very close third because of Romney’s and Santorum’s relative strength with women. Here’s the data point of the night so far, though:

Fully 80 percent of the electorate is evangelical — and Romney somehow managed to fight Santorum to a draw among them. If he ends up winning the state, that’s the story. Another surprisingly strong Romney showing comes with voters without a college degree. That’s supposed to be Newt’s and Rick’s bread and butter, but no:

Romney also tied Santorum for the lead among voters who make less than $50,000 per year. As for qualities in a candidate, Mississippi looks a lot like Alabama:

And one more just for fun that someone flagged on Twitter:

Among voters who said Ron Paul’s positions are “about right,” the candidate of choice is … Mitt Romney?

Needless to say, Santorum can live with splitting these states with Romney. Job one is getting Gingrich out of the race ASAP. If Newt finishes third in both, we might very well see it. I wonder if we’ll see it tonight.

Update: David Freddoso has a copy of a memo sent out tonight by Team Newt vowing that they’ll soldier on, which sounds like they’re conceding the evening. Bachmann vowed to soldier on the night she finished last in Iowa too but was gone the next day. Stay tuned.

Update: It’s now 90 minutes after the polls closed and … 7.2 percent of Alabama precincts have reported. Santorum leads there and in Mississippi (where 24 percent have reported) as I write this.

Update: Romney told CNN earlier that Santorum is at “the desperate end of his campaign.” Right message, wrong target.

Update: At 9:53 ET, and with only 26 percent reporting, NBC finally calls Alabama for Santorum. And don’t look now, but with 78 percent reporting in Mississippi, Santorum is clinging to a 2,000-vote lead over Gingrich. Romney is another 2,000 votes back. Looks like the exits got it wrong there, likely vis-a-vis the evangelical numbers.

The worst-case scenario for Mitt tonight was a Santorum sweep. We’re on the verge of it.

Update: Aha. Philip Klein notes that CNN has now updated their exit poll numbers. (Unfortunately, the early data isn’t always final.) Remember how it was a big deal that Romney and Santorum were tied at 32 among evangelicals in Mississippi? Here’s how it looks now:

That’s why Rick is doing better than expected and Mitt’s doing worse.

Update: Mississippi’s not called yet but Team Santorum is already elbowing Newt:

Rick Santorum spokesperson Alice Stewart said she believes after Tuesday night it will be a “two-man race” between Santorum and Mitt Romney…

A “son of the South” like Gingrich, she said, “should be doing much better than this.”

“This is going to be, after tonight, this will be a two-man race,” Stewart said. “It’s going to be Rick and Mitt, and we’re going to clear the field and Rick’s got a good shot down the road.”

Update: Now 83 percent reporting in Mississippi and the numbers are holding — Santorum by 2,000 votes over Gingrich and Romney 5,000 votes behind. Jackson’s county, where Romney is piling up votes, is 89 percent in right now so there’s not much meat on the bone left there either for him.

Update: With 90 percent in now, Santorum’s lead has expanded to more than 3,000 votes. I’m reluctant to forecast a race even at this late hour after the last-minute Romney comeback in Ohio, but it looks like Team Sweater Vest is going to pull off the sweep. One last dramatic twist to this interminable primary.

Update: More than 96 percent in now as of 10:40 ET and Santorum’s lead is nearly 4,000 votes. He’s going to pull this off and Romney’s going to finish third in both states. What a deflating defeat for the presumptive nominee, especially after that early exit poll had him winning Mississippi. We should get the call soon.

Update: At 10:43 ET, there’s the call from Fox News. Santorum wins Mississippi and sweeps the southern primaries today. Wow.

Update: Matt Lewis says it’s time for Newt to take a hint:

While the idea Gingrich could or would win a brokered convention seems absurd, it is likely that continuing to accrue delegates would give him additional bargaining leverage going into the Republican convention in Tampa this summer.

But there are good reasons for Gingrich to reject that cynical strategy. First, if he truly believes Mitt Romney is a “Massachusetts moderate” masquerading as a conservative, then he owes it to Republican voters to give former Sen. Rick Santorum a clean shot at wresting the nomination from him. I’m pretty sure Santorum has earned it.

Second, staying in the race — merely in order to play a king maker or to curry favor at a later time — is hardly the most honorable or inspiring reason to remain in a race. Gingrich would be essentially asking donors to contribute money to a campaign he knows cannot win — and he would be asking voters to cast their votes for a candidate he knows can’t win.

Gingrich’s problem after tonight is that he might have lost the last shreds of his constituency, whether or not he’s inclined to quit. If you’re a Republican who’s dead set against nominating Romney, what’s the argument for sticking with Newt? Either you’re staying home because you can’t stand Santorum or else you’re gritting your teeth and pulling the lever for the Sweater Vest. There’s no compelling reason to go to the polls for Gingrich. He can’t win even in his own backyard.

Update: PPP: “Our NC GOP poll coming out tomorrow shows an 8 point shift toward Santorum if Newt was out. Nothing but a spoiler at this point.” If Newt wants revenge on Romney for spoiling his chances in Iowa and Florida, dropping out and endorsing Santorum is his best option.

Update: Gingrich is giving his concession speech now and vowing to go on but I don’t think it’s up to him. His voters need to decide their next move. If they break for Santorum and he starts beating Romney head to head — starting next Tuesday in Illinois — then he’s got a compelling narrative headed into the convention even if Mitt ends up winning a plurality of delegates. Namely, “the only reason Romney ended up with a delegate lead is because Newt and I split conservatives in the early primaries. Once Newt faded and it turned into a binary choice, I was the clear preference of the majority.” That is to say, if Santorum can put together a winning streak against Romney, he can point to tonight’s results as a de facto “reset” of the primary. Southern voters discarded Gingrich and adopted him and that propelled him to a series of wins. Forget the delegate count and focus on that strenuous “Not Romney” sentiment among Republican voters. That’s his argument. Romney needs a counter.

Update: Here’s Santorum’s speech, in which he marvels “we did it again.” Elsewhere, Nate Silver remembers that Gingrich’s own spokesman called Alabama and Mississippi must-wins for him just a few days ago.


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I’m hearing you, clothespin on nose and barf bag in hand…

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:24 AM

It’s going to take more than a clothespin. Make sure your SCBA gear is in good repair.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:28 AM

Mitt has no path to 1144 anymore. No one is saying that that understands the process anymore.

Santorum most likely will not make 1144. I say that because Matt saying Obama is doing Great could completely derail Mitt. It is that devastating. Why vote for an idiot that thinks Obama is going great anyone here think that? He is 41 and said this as Mitts Spokesman in Hawaii tonight.

Mitt could drop to single digits after this and he should. Obama is doing horrible anyone thinking otherwise has no right to be part of the Republican Party let alone our nominee.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 2:18 AM

You must be drinking tonight. I don’t get half of what the heck you are talking about. Mitt’s gonna take the winner take all states, which alone hands him 300 delegates. He’s going to win massive amount of delegates in the NE and NW.

rubberneck on March 14, 2012 at 2:28 AM

She’s beautiful, and she’s life-affirming, and she can do more to raise public awareness with one FB post than most pols can do with an entire press conference and the slavish media at their feet. It’s her beauty, yes, but it’s not just her beauty. It’s the total package. And I maintain that I wouldn’t be surprised if she never ran for elected office again in her life. Not saying she should or shouldn’t, just that it wouldn’t surprise me if she didn’t.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:18 AM

Man, I coon’t have said it better than HA’s original commenter.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:29 AM

…or that God forbid, it caused the spike in insurance premiums and exodus of specialists and surgeons that MA is now witnessing.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:25 AM

But in high school – they said if demand increases – price increases. Now you’re saying that the demand went up in Mass and then price increased? What gives?

CycloneCDB on March 14, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Lanceman
Not much really, the trolls seem to have left!
hehe

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:29 AM

She’s too powerful. She’s reloading. There is no way this is the last of Sarah. And btw, I sense frontier libertarian in her, which of course makes me all sorts of happy.

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:27 AM

Just give me someone who will follow the constitution from soup to nuts, for crissake. I know far too many self-professing libertarians who sound like neo-anarchists when they start talking about their specific beliefs.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:29 AM

American Samoa just came in. Santorum and Romney are now tied in delegates tonight. Hawaii is still out. Righteous Rick lost the delegate race tonight.

kurtd on March 14, 2012 at 2:27 AM

No, Romney lost any mathematical chance to reach 1144. So, it’s off to the brokered convention.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:29 AM

She’s beautiful, and she’s life-affirming, and she can do more to raise public awareness with one FB post than most pols can do with an entire press conference and the slavish media at their feet. It’s her beauty, yes, but it’s not just her beauty. It’s the total package. And I maintain that I wouldn’t be surprised if she never ran for elected office again in her life. Not saying she should or shouldn’t, just that it wouldn’t surprise me if she didn’t.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:18 AM

Man, I coon’t have said it better than HA’s original commenter.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Yep. That’s a keeper.

*waits for troll attack*

SparkPlug on March 14, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Not much really, the trolls seem to have left!
hehe

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Heh. Apparently, I ran Kenin off earlier.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Heh. Apparently, I ran Kenin off earlier.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Well, there are worse thing that you could do.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:32 AM

So fishface got it too? WTF?

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:32 AM

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Must be the New Math.

Public schools?

Adjoran on March 14, 2012 at 2:33 AM

it caused the spike in insurance premiums and exodus of specialists and surgeons that MA is now witnessing.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:25 AM

I can’t speak to that. But MA is uniquely blessed in having some of the best universities in the country. That said, a state should experiment and see what works. I’m under the impression than Dems in that state expanded Romneycare exponentially after he left office.

There is still the very basic problem of whether we pay less up front, or more in picking up emergency room visits after the fact. People say we don’t have socialized medicine in this country. I call BS. Our taxpayer money is picking up the tab of the uninsured.

Still, the states should be deciding on this. Not at the federal level with a bunch of Progressive eugenics bureaucrats.

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:33 AM

…or that God forbid, it caused the spike in insurance premiums and exodus of specialists and surgeons that MA is now witnessing.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:25 AM

But in high school – they said if demand increases – price increases. Now you’re saying that the demand went up in Mass and then price increased? What gives?

CycloneCDB on March 14, 2012 at 2:29 AM

It didn’t happen all at once, Cyc. We’re talking about the last five years since that legislation passed. And besides, we’re starting on rabbit trails discussing the specifics. The guy peering over Romney’s left shoulder in this picture at Romneycare’s signing is enough to disaqualify Mitt as far as I’m concerned. But I’m sure the Rombots will have a perfectly good reason for Mitt to have had The Swimmer ™ there.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:33 AM

The fact is he won. The fact also is Santorum has no path to 1144, so you can continue to live in your little pretend fantasy world that he will. Romney will reach that number whether you like it or not.

rubberneck on March 14, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Mitt has no path to 1144 anymore. No one is saying that that understands the process anymore.

Santorum most likely will not make 1144. I say that because Matt saying Obama is doing Great could completely derail Mitt. It is that devastating. Why vote for an idiot that thinks Obama is going great anyone here think that? He is 41 and said this as Mitts Spokesman in Hawaii tonight.

Mitt could drop to single digits after this and he should. Obama is doing horrible anyone thinking otherwise has no right to be part of the Republican Party let alone our nominee.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 2:18 AM

Team Romney no longer has any claim to inevitability. Whether Gingrich stays in or drops out, no one is going to get to the delegate count. Winner-take-all and proportional awarding of delegates don’t matter; except for the fact that Santorum is starting to win enough that he theoretically *could* eclipse Mitt’s delegate count, which takes away another argument for Mitt being the plurality winner, and any claim to the nomination. This is going all the way to the convention. It’s going to be a mess.

Nightmare scenario achieved. It’s on again for Barbour, Daniels, Christie, Bush, and Palin. I wound’t be surprised if Giuliani and Pataki want in as well.

Let’s just give the damn nomination to Haley, Jindal, Rubio, or West. It’s high-risk, high-reward, we might as well shoot for the moon.

Jurisprudence on March 14, 2012 at 2:34 AM

By not voting for our nominee you may as well be voting for Obama, though. You do realize that, don’t you?

cynccook on March 14, 2012 at 2:00 AM

This is not that hard. Romney is liberal every liberal republican that runs for President loses. Period. None ever win.

But it matters not now Mitt can not get to 1144 now. So if Mitt is a jackass and will not drop out brokered convention.

This is how that actually works. Rick starts calling up all Mitts delegates many even in the first round could vote for him so he could win in first round as many are not bound as well this assuming Newt has already released his delegates to vote for Santorum.

Say that does not work so there is another round. Now all Romneys delegates can vote for Rick. Rick wins second round.

Assuming Mitt does not make a come back Rick will be the nominee.

The other senario is the establishment puts huge pressure on all delegates to vote for Mitt and enough do. Fractured convention perhaps Newt and Santorum refuse to release delegates like in 1960 when Romney refused to release his (Mitts dad some team player).

But that is where we are. Mitt is most likely not a team player just like his dad and son Matt.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 2:34 AM

gryphon
I really think your one of the only ones who has said anything about the constitution in weeks, I totally agree if we don’t get back to the constitution were done as a country!

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:34 AM

I must admit – I was watching Escape From L.A.

Who won what?

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:35 AM

sesede!

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 2:35 AM

sweet, it shows up when I spell it wrong :)

I can’t believe Texas got an 11 seed angrymike…they suck this year.

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 2:36 AM

Still, the states should be deciding on this. Not at the federal level with a bunch of Progressive eugenics bureaucrats.

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:33 AM

In principle, I agree. But when I ask Romney supporters why I should vote for him, it generally comes down to some variation of “Romney said…” or “Romney will…” or “This happened in MA [since Romney left the Governor's office]…” I have yet to find anyone who can actually defend Willard Milton Romney’s gubernatorial record to my satisfaction.

Yeah, yeah. I know. Some of you out there see Santorum as equally odious. That’s jim-dandy. I’m just not going to pull the lever for the guy who signed the blueprint for Obamacare into law. Not going to do it no matter how many times folks try to defend the indefensible.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:37 AM

Freshrat just wouldn’t let last night go, brought it up over and over, even after ED warned it.
To bad so sad!!!!!!

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:38 AM

I was watching Escape From L.A.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:35 AM

You freak! I’m watching it too.

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:38 AM

gryphon
I really think your one of the only ones who has said anything about the constitution in weeks, I totally agree if we don’t get back to the constitution were done as a country!

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:34 AM

Pundits aren’t really talking about it. Pols aren’t talking about it unless they’re pulling Romneys and trying to defend terrible state-level legislation in the service of their national ambitions. If I’m the only one here that bothers, so be it.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:39 AM

The Texas coach got tired of recruiting great players that go NBA after one year so he decided to get a bunch of losers.

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 2:39 AM

I have a suspicion (nightmare) that we will be seeing Jeb Bush show up in this mess and I don’t think it will be a coincidence. I suspect Romney may choose him as a VP. This wouldn’t be a very good idea but the beltway crowd would love it. They would see it as a southerner on the ticket and Romney would see it as a clinch for the nomination.

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 2:40 AM

I must admit – I was watching Escape From L.A.

Who won what?

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:35 AM

Some dude named Plissken.

Jurisprudence on March 14, 2012 at 2:40 AM

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:37 AM

I can assure you griff, come November, all of us will be voting for whomever is the GOP candidate. Even if it’s Ron Paul. Hell, we’d vote for McLame again to get this POC out of the Offal Orifice.
We’d vote for Carter to get ridda this jagoff.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:40 AM

Nightmare scenario achieved. It’s on again for Barbour, Daniels, Christie, Bush, and Palin. I wound’t be surprised if Giuliani and Pataki want in as well.

Let’s just give the damn nomination to Haley, Jindal, Rubio, or West. It’s high-risk, high-reward, we might as well shoot for the moon.

Jurisprudence on March 14, 2012 at 2:34 AM

Just not the way it works.

This would destroy anyone that tried it and none of those people are stupid. This is pure fantasy. If another liberal Republican entered the base they would get almost no votes as the base would be infuriated at the establishment. The establishment is not that stupid their best chance is possibly still with Mitt if they can burry Matts statement. But if not Matt will have also destroyed the credibility of the establishment for this year. They try a dirty trick like that and they will lose most of their power for a few cycles.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 2:40 AM

DHChron
wait….what?
What was that?
Is Ohio state a #1 sead?
Don’t watch B-ball.

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:41 AM

But when I ask Romney supporters why I should vote for him

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:37 AM

The Romney supporters on this site are sad and weak. Jailbreak drives more people away than attracts.

I just know my brother was a solid Reagan conservative and had big problems with W’s spending, but really likes Romney.

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Yeah, yeah. I know. Some of you out there see Santorum as equally odious. That’s jim-dandy. I’m just not going to pull the lever for the guy who signed the blueprint for Obamacare into law. Not going to do it no matter how many times folks try to defend the indefensible.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:37 AM

I’ll defend it! mittens blows!

oh wait…that wasn’t the best defense. Give me a minute, I’ll come up with something.

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 2:42 AM

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:37 AM

I can assure you griff, come November, all of us will be voting for whomever is the GOP candidate. Even if it’s Ron Paul. Hell, we’d vote for McLame again to get this POC out of the Offal Orifice.
We’d vote for Carter to get ridda this jagoff.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:40 AM

I wish I could say that makes me happy. It doesn’t. It just speaks to how far we’ve fallen as a nation in the last 110 years.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:42 AM

Must be the New Math.

Public schools?

Adjoran on March 14, 2012 at 2:33 AM

It’s far from over. Despite claiming six state wins last night and upping his delegate count to 404, Mitt Romney still does not have a lock on the nomination—or even a clear path to claiming it if his opponents don’t leave the field.

Consider this: if Mitt wins every remaining all-or-nothing state but one, and half of the remaining proportional delegates, he would likely still fall short of the magic nomination number of 1,144—which would force him to rely on unpledged delegates, the Republican version of the infamous Democratic super-delegates in 2008, to claim his party’s mantle.
Mitt Romney

Even if Mitt somehow won every delegate in every coming contest, he still wouldn’t clinch the nomination until Oregon’s primary on May 15.

And if Romney musters only 40 percent of the proportional delegates going forward—equivalent to his share of the popular vote total to date—it would mean the first Republican race undecided when the convention opened in a generation.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:42 AM

Freshrat just wouldn’t let last night go, brought it up over and over, even after ED warned it.
To bad so sad!!!!!!

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Looked to me that Random picked up that baton. I feel bad that they got the hammer ’cause of me. What I did was wrong. If they weren’t trying to Limbaugh me so much, they’d still be here. But I liked both of them.

Some dude named Plissken.

Jurisprudence on March 14, 2012 at 2:40 AM

Call me Snake.

Actually, we do have a commenter named ‘Snake Plisskin’ here.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:44 AM

gryphon
I think constitution all the time, but it seems its more of a popularity contest to some.
Obie is walking all over it, nothing on the articles of impeachment eather.

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:45 AM

DHChron
wait….what?
What was that?
Is Ohio state a #1 sead?
Don’t watch B-ball.

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:41 AM

they’re a #2 :) St. Bonny’s is a 14! but they have to play florida state :(

you should watch basketball…at least college. It’s great.

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 2:46 AM

Freshrat just wouldn’t let last night go, brought it up over and over, even after ED warned it.
To bad so sad!!!!!!

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Did freshfart get the boot?!

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:46 AM

In principle, I agree. But when I ask Romney supporters why I should vote for him, it generally comes down to some variation of “Romney said…” or “Romney will…” or “This happened in MA [since Romney left the Governor's office]…” I have yet to find anyone who can actually defend Willard Milton Romney’s gubernatorial record to my satisfaction.

Yeah, yeah. I know. Some of you out there see Santorum as equally odious. That’s jim-dandy. I’m just not going to pull the lever for the guy who signed the blueprint for Obamacare into law. Not going to do it no matter how many times folks try to defend the indefensible.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:37 AM

With you.

I studied Mitts Mass record for a couple of days and spent the next two weeks in the bathroom it was so bad.

I almost wonder if Obama is better than Mitt.

But regardless Mitt is far worse for the Republican Party he would destroy it if nominated worst than GW Bush destroyed it and that got us Obama.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 2:46 AM

Hmmm 4% of Hawaii in, Mitt 32% Santorum 28% Crazy Uncle 23%

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:47 AM

I wish I could say that makes me happy. It doesn’t. It just speaks to how far we’ve fallen as a nation in the last 110 years.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:42 AM

It doesn’t exactly do my heart all that much good, either. But, try to remember, a representative republic complete with property rights, throughout history, has a life expectancy of about 200 years.
We are living in the decline of society, like it or not. We have gone from stage 4 to stage 7 in less than 40 short years.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Looked to me that Random picked up that baton. I feel bad that they got the hammer ’cause of me.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:44 AM

Wait, what? Random got booted?!

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:48 AM

gryphon
I think constitution all the time, but it seems its more of a popularity contest to some.
Obie is walking all over it, nothing on the articles of impeachment eather.

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:45 AM

We need to do more than THINK constitution. It was supposed to be the framework on which our entire mode of government was based. It no longer is. That a college professor such as Mitt can be praised for such intellectual heft without a grasp of constitutional concepts just floors me.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:44 AM

I have a ??..:)

Dire Straits on March 14, 2012 at 2:49 AM

Heh. Apparently, I ran Kenin off earlier.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:31 AM

no sh!t! That’s great. I was getting tired of the gay cruise updates and being called a real american.

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 2:49 AM

Lanceman
I don’t think badly of you, them trolls come here to either get paid or start trouble.
You just gave a little bit of rope so they could hang themselves.
ED did warn one of them, but they just kept spouting off, not your fault at all!!!!!

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:49 AM

We are living in the decline of society, like it or not. We have gone from stage 4 to stage 7 in less than 40 short years.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Recognizing that is the first step towards reversing it — assuming that’s even possible.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:49 AM

Just not the way it works.

This would destroy anyone that tried it and none of those people are stupid. This is pure fantasy. If another liberal Republican entered the base they would get almost no votes as the base would be infuriated at the establishment. The establishment is not that stupid their best chance is possibly still with Mitt if they can burry Matts statement. But if not Matt will have also destroyed the credibility of the establishment for this year. They try a dirty trick like that and they will lose most of their power for a few cycles.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 2:40 AM

Fantasy? Up until 4 years ago, most people would have claimed having a Black president was fantasy.

We’re far past the point of “what is supposed to work.” The convention itself could be a dynamic moment, if we truly picked looked to the future.

Think about this:

Scott Walker survives the recall election in June, so he looks golden literally two months out from the convention. Put Walker together with Rand Paul, and you have the energy from the Paulbots, the Tea party, and the establishment basically getting their people in the Cabinet.

Jurisprudence on March 14, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Wait, what? Random got booted?!

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Yes.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:50 AM

they’re a #2 :) St. Bonny’s is a 14! but they have to play florida state :(

you should watch basketball…at least college. It’s great.

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 2:46 AM

I despise the Criminoles. Gators, baby!

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Any news on Hawaii? :) :) :)

Theophile on March 14, 2012 at 2:50 AM

I studied Mitts Mass record for a couple of days and spent the next two weeks in the bathroom it was so bad.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 2:46 AM

bye bye credibility.

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:51 AM

Wait, what? Random got booted?!

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Yes.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:50 AM

That was just a matter of time.

What was it over?

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 2:52 AM

Yes.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Wow. Random’s been here for years.

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:53 AM

I studied Mitts Mass record for a couple of days and spent the next two weeks in the bathroom it was so bad.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 2:46 AM

bye bye credibility.

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:51 AM

Yours perhaps.

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 2:53 AM

DHChron
I’d watch the cuss words for a bit, I think the trolls are emailing Ed and Allah to get ppl busted, so watch!

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:53 AM

That was just a matter of time.

What was it over?

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 2:52 AM

He couldn’t shut up when AP told him to.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:53 AM

I almost wonder if Obama is better than Mitt.

But regardless Mitt is far worse for the Republican Party he would destroy it if nominated worst than GW Bush destroyed it and that got us Obama.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 2:46 AM

Heh. Bite your tongue. Of course Mitt would be better than obaka.

I have a ??..:)

Dire Straits on March 14, 2012 at 2:49 AM

Go ahead.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:54 AM

He couldn’t shut up when AP told him to.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:53 AM

What was he saying?

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 2:55 AM

Any news on Hawaii? :) :) :)

Theophile on March 14, 2012 at 2:50 AM

6% in, Mitt 35% Rick 28% Crazy Uncle 22%

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:55 AM

What was he saying?

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 2:55 AM

Something that sounded like a death wish for another poster.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:56 AM

sharrukin
Read the last of the liberal thread from earlier, it speaks for its self.

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:57 AM

Quick pop in,Nite again Peeps!!

Mitt Romney wins the Republican caucuses in American Samoa, party officials say

Submitted 11 mins ago by editor
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Watch Newt Gingrich’s Full Speech After Ala., Miss. Primaries
on Mar 13, 2012
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Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich addressed a crowd of supporters Tuesday night in Alabama, after he was the projected runner-up in that state’s and neighboring Mississippi’s primaries. He congratulated Rick Santorum on his wins while taking a swipe at fellow Republican Mitt Romney. “If you’re the frontrunner and keep coming in third, you’re not much of a frontrunner,” he said.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FjUF3YJOfg

canopfor on March 14, 2012 at 2:57 AM

I don’t think badly of you, them trolls come here to either get paid or start trouble.
You just gave a little bit of rope so they could hang themselves.
ED did warn one of them, but they just kept spouting off, not your fault at all!!!!!

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:49 AM

I do. They were right on the issue. Wrong on harping on it even after Allah deleted it.

Recognizing that is the first step towards reversing it — assuming that’s even possible.

gryphon202 on March 14, 2012 at 2:49 AM

If history is any guide…

What was it over?

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 2:52 AM

My purported ‘racism’, apparently.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:58 AM

Something that sounded like a death wish for another poster.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:56 AM

That will do it. They are pretty easy going here but racism, death threats and not much else will get you the boot.

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 2:58 AM

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:54 AM

Are you on “double secret probation”?..:)

Dire Straits on March 14, 2012 at 2:58 AM

6% in, Mitt 35% Rick 28% Crazy Uncle 22%

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:55 AM

Now 7% Mitt Mitt 35% Rick 29% Crazy Uncle 21%

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:58 AM

no curse words! That effin’ sucks!

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 2:59 AM

Wow. Random’s been here for years.

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:53 AM

I know. I feel bad about that.

What was he saying?

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 2:55 AM

Apparently, he turned that Pew Poll thread this morning into a thread about me.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 3:00 AM

Well I’m out
Night all
oh ya GOOOO Ohio State Buckeyes!!!!

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 3:00 AM

DHChron
just watch ED mentioned cussing earlier
Later I’m out!

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 3:01 AM

Read the last of the liberal thread from earlier, it speaks for its self.

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 2:57 AM

Thanks. I didn’t actually see where Random got banned though.

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 3:01 AM

I despise the Criminoles. Gators, baby!

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:50 AM

how did they whip NC and end up a 3 seed?

yeah, F State blows like mittens

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 3:01 AM

Looks like Rick is gaining on Mitt in Hawaii… If Rick wins Hawaii that would be the trifecta of humiliation for Mitt.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 3:02 AM

My purported ‘racism’, apparently.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:58 AM

Well I have heard that Lanceman will betray us! /

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 3:02 AM

bye bye credibility.

John the Libertarian on March 14, 2012 at 2:51 AM

I agree you would probably love it. Lots of Libertarian promises that were all kept.

Just because we disagree about of what is good does not damage my credibility. I am consistently religious conservative. I still regret that sodomy became legal in America in my lifetime. But I love all sinners and all men sin. So personally I pray for sinners to come to God. I love them. But sin is sin. These are laws our creator made and no man has a right to do away with them. It is an abomination that we as a Nation have and we will pay the price. No matter how this election goes our economy will completely collapse that is simply a fact. GOD could save it but he will not we must be chastened enough that we will return to him. All men can repent hopefully we will and save our country.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 3:03 AM

DHChron
just watch ED mentioned cussing earlier
Later I’m out!

angrymike on March 14, 2012 at 3:01 AM

did he mention sesede? Cause I can’t spell it right and get it on the thread

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 3:03 AM

Looks like Rick is gaining on Mitt in Hawaii… If Rick wins Hawaii that would be the trifecta of humiliation for Mitt.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 3:02 AM

I don’t see that happening in a Democratic state. They are usually locked up for Romney. Maybe Ron Paul pulling enough votes away from Mitt though?

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 3:04 AM

Thanks. I didn’t actually see where Random got banned though.

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 3:01 AM

There is a minor glitch in the way thing work here. He was still able to post in the headline threads. He mentions it here and apologizes for his behavior.

Confirmed: Nuclear bombs could save Earth from asteroids

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 3:04 AM

Are you on “double secret probation”?..:)

Dire Straits on March 14, 2012 at 2:58 AM

I hope not. I have no socks on tap.

I have this bad habit of calling trolls out by the only way I know how – through their emotions.
But I find it comical that me, someone who thinks Herman Cain should have stayed in because he would have won the nomination and thinks Allen West would be a great VP is somehow racist. But, apparently, Random did not know me very well.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 3:04 AM

Hawaii, 9% in, Mitt 32% Rick 26% Crazy Uncle 25%

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 3:06 AM

Heh. Apparently, I ran Kenin off earlier.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Seriously? Extremely well done and a virtual handshake to you, sir.

kim roy on March 14, 2012 at 3:06 AM

Looks like Rick is gaining on Mitt in Hawaii… If Rick wins Hawaii that would be the trifecta of humiliation for Mitt.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 3:02 AM

Totally unexpected.

I have to wonder if Matt’s praise of Obamas record did Mitt in.

Hard to explain this in any other way.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 3:07 AM

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 3:04 AM

I hear you..Good Deal..:)

Dire Straits on March 14, 2012 at 3:07 AM

anyone see the article that stated a nuclear war could stave off Global Warming? Geeeeeeeeeeeezus, libs are stupid.

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 3:08 AM

Totally unexpected.

I have to wonder if Matt’s praise of Obamas record did Mitt in.

Hard to explain this in any other way.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 3:07 AM

Na, looks more like Crazy Uncle Ron is having a great day in Hawaii.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 3:08 AM

There is a minor glitch in the way thing work here. He was still able to post in the headline threads. He mentions it here and apologizes for his behavior.

Confirmed: Nuclear bombs could save Earth from asteroids

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 3:04 AM

Weird. I was telling people that certain posters hadn’t been banned because I saw them posting in the headlines. So can they keep posting in the headline threads after they are banned or is it just temporary until that is added?

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 3:09 AM

why must we constantly call Ron crazy? That’s a lib thing…it annoys DHChron

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 3:10 AM

Weird. I was telling people that certain posters hadn’t been banned because I saw them posting in the headlines. So can they keep posting in the headline threads after they are banned or is it just temporary until that is added?

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 3:09 AM

It’s some glitch in the matrix.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 3:11 AM

why must we constantly call Ron crazy? That’s a lib thing…it annoys DHChron

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 3:10 AM

Ron Paul annoys me, does that make us even?

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 3:11 AM

anyone see the article that stated a nuclear war could stave off Global Warming? Geeeeeeeeeeeezus, libs are stupid.

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 3:08 AM

So they have finally thrown in the towel on that Nuclear Winter thing?

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 3:11 AM

No, Romney lost any mathematical chance to reach 1144. So, it’s off to the brokered convention.

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 2:29 AM

LOL…keep dreaming.

rubberneck on March 14, 2012 at 3:12 AM

anyone see the article that stated a nuclear war could stave off Global Warming? Geeeeeeeeeeeezus, libs are stupid.

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 3:08 AM

Yes love when they think one myth can save them from another myth.

Every bomb in the world is still less than many Volcanoes that have gone off.

Of course when you are only talking .1 degrees it might do that. Loved the latest fear GW Greenland might melt in 50,000 years. So what.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 3:12 AM

hahahaha, the matrix. Obama is the One – sorta like Keano Reeves

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 3:13 AM

why must we constantly call Ron crazy? That’s a lib thing…it annoys DHChron

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 3:10 AM

We are being charitable. We assume the mutual contradictions between observed reality and Ron Paul’s public statements are so at odds that madness is the kindest interpretation.

sharrukin on March 14, 2012 at 3:13 AM

LOL…keep dreaming.

rubberneck on March 14, 2012 at 3:12 AM

You explain the math when Romney only gets 32% in Hawaii.

This when only a few heard Matt’s statement that Obama is doing a great job.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 3:14 AM

Of course when you are only talking .1 degrees it might do that. Loved the latest fear GW Greenland might melt in 50,000 years. So what.

Steveangell on March 14, 2012 at 3:12 AM

Breitbart’s best argument :) So?

I don’t know if you heard but Guam will tip over into the ocean soon.

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 3:15 AM

how did they whip NC and end up a 3 seed?

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 3:01 AM

DAmfino. Cheating somehow?

Seriously? Extremely well done and a virtual handshake to you, sir.

kim roy on March 14, 2012 at 3:06 AM

Kenin is simplesimon and destined to be banned sooner or later anyway.
He’s a one trick pony like l4l and not nearly as likeable.

Lanceman on March 14, 2012 at 3:15 AM

Hawaii, 12% in, Mitt 32% Rick 29% Crazy Uncle 22%

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 3:16 AM

Ron Paul annoys me, does that make us even?

SWalker on March 14, 2012 at 3:11 AM

sorry, nope! you have to use the first person to make us even.

Ron Paul annoys SWalker :)

DHChron on March 14, 2012 at 3:18 AM

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