U.S. ambassador: Withdrawing too soon could create pre-9/11 conditions in Afghanistan

posted at 7:53 pm on March 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

The official word is that the timeline for withdrawal is unchanged, with Obama himself insisting that “we’ve got to do it in a responsible way, reducing our footprint progressively.” Hard to believe that late 2014 will remain the bullseye, though, when even prominent Republicans are saying stuff like this:

“I think it’s very likely that we have lost — tragically lost the lives and suffered injuries to a considerable number of young Americans on a mission that we’re going to discover is not doable,” Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House, who has struck perhaps the most negative tone on the war of any of Mr. Obama’s potential rivals, said on “Fox News Sunday.”

In words quite close to what some Democrats have told the White House, Mr. Gingrich added: “Look at the things that are going on around the region and then ask yourself, ‘Is this, in fact, a harder, deeper problem that is not going to be susceptible to military force, at least not military forces in the scale we are prepared to do?’”

According to ABC’s new poll, 60 percent say the war hasn’t been worth fighting and 54 percent say we should pull out whether or not the Afghan army’s ready to take over — which amounts to a de facto handover to the Taliban. Most Republicans differ from the majority on the last question but when asked whether the war was worth fighting even they split equally. Fred Kaplan makes the case for the “everybody out now” position: If successful counterinsurgency ultimately depends on trust, what happens to your chances of success once the trust is gone?

Trust has been a centerpiece of the basic counterinsurgency strategy, which calls for NATO troops to focus on protecting the Afghan people, living among them, gaining intelligence from them on the insurgency, and helping to provide them basic services, in order to strengthen the ties between the people and their government, and thus to undermine their ties to the Taliban.

Trust has also been essential to the transition strategy, in which NATO troops train and gradually hand over authority to the Afghan army and police.

The counterinsurgency strategy falls apart if the Afghan people have to worry that an American soldier in their midst might come murder their family in the night. The transition strategy falls apart if NATO troops have to worry that an Afghan cop or soldier they’re training might, at any moment, shoot them in the back.

Here’s Ryan Crocker answering Megyn Kelly’s point that Americans are tired of war by arguing that if we get out too soon, we might be back to a pre-9/11 dynamic before we know it. Problem is, even if we don’t get out too soon, we might be back to a pre-9/11 dynamic before we know it. Does anyone seriously believe the Afghan army will dig in and fight for Karzai’s kleptocratic government after we leave and the Taliban onslaught begins? Even if they’re willing, how long would they last? The long-term goal of the mission as I’ve always understood it was to eliminate Al Qaeda and then build a bare-bones western-oriented state capable of making sure that AQ couldn’t return. Realistically, though, the only way to do that was to eliminate the Taliban too. And since the Taliban is based in — and supported by — Pakistan, the only way to do that was to eliminate the Pakistani “deep state” that uses jihadist proxies like the Taliban and Lashkar e-Taiba to strategic advantage against its enemies, i.e. India. The irony of Bush’s rhetoric after 9/11 about holding state sponsors of terror responsible for the acts of the terrorists they support is that we didn’t quite do that even in the case of 9/11 itself. Ultimately, it’s not the Taliban that makes outfits like AQ possible; it’s our “allies” in ISI. If Pakistan was a different country, Afghanistan would be too. But it isn’t. So it’s not.



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Because staying there is clearly making things friendlier towards Americans.

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Can we at least steer the SMOD to that part of the world?

Steve Eggleston on March 12, 2012 at 7:58 PM

If AQ regrouped & would become threatening somewhere down the line, we could go in quickly & thump them out of business, just like we did a decade ago.

Our destruction of AQ in Afghanistan was brilliant. Our Afghanistan policy since then has been awful.

itsnotaboutme on March 12, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Even worse than this was Shep’s fawning over Crocker during the 3PM hour. He talked about him as if he was a soldier fighting, saying how we all owe him for his work and sacrifice. I’ve never heard Shep talk like this about anyone in Bush’s admin or any soldier.

Rbastid on March 12, 2012 at 8:00 PM

“Realistically, though, the only way to do that was to eliminate the Taliban too.”

This is the result when “Victory” is no longer the goal…

Seven Percent Solution on March 12, 2012 at 8:00 PM

not buying it. they show no sign of wanting to advance beyond the 7th century. that place will be the same hellhole after we leave as from when we got there, the biggest difference will only be in this country where we will be BROKE

DBear on March 12, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Obama’s signature on Afghanistan is always doing too little too late. If that’s how we continue, then we might as well just go home.

RBMN on March 12, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Dear Ambassador,

We. Cannot. Occupy. Afghanistan. Forever.

Sincerely,
Every US citizen with more brains than a cucumber.

MelonCollie on March 12, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Let them do it.
and let the UN handle it.
(baaahahahaha)

bridgetown on March 12, 2012 at 8:02 PM

He can join the military and go fight. Time to end this useless Bush war

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Because staying there is clearly making things friendlier towards Americans.

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2012 at 7:58 PM

I think you’re right, the goal of building ‘friendship’ through counter-insurgency is a failed strategy and waste of US resources. It’s also time to drop the idea of building a Jeffersonian democracy in such a backward country.

The US should get back into the business of killing the Taliban and terrorists. Nothing more.

bayam on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

What about all the other pre 9/11 countries, Al Qeada is presently operating out of? What makes Afghanistan different from Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan…etc?

Someone needs to tell Crocker the American people aren’t falling for this load of crock anymore.

Dr Evil on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

He can join the military and go fight. Time to end this useless Bush war

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

And he can have that thredjacking NeoCon spambot Dr.Tesla as his squadmate!

MelonCollie on March 12, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Well, what’s he supposed to say? If you ask government officials about any problem, they’re going to say one of two things:

1. We’ve almost got it solved, we need more time and money

2. We’re no where near to getting it solved, we need more time and money

We can’t really take their word for it.

Enrique on March 12, 2012 at 8:09 PM

He can join the military and go fight. Time to end this useless Bush war
libscum4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Sonosam on March 12, 2012 at 8:09 PM

These people are not even willing to accept the lifestyle of the 19th century let alone the 21st century. The are still stuck in the 10 century. Nothing will change that. Wasting the lives of young Americans is not the right way to go

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM

they show no sign of wanting to advance beyond the 7th century.

DBear on March 12, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I disagree.
They may want to retain their 7th century sensibilities, but they very much would like to advance into the 21st century as far as weapons go.
Thats the problem.

Mimzey on March 12, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Make him OWN this.

WisCon on March 12, 2012 at 8:12 PM

He can join the military and go fight. Time to end this useless Bush war

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Funny. How’s your guy Obama’s Afghan surge workin for ya?

Roymunson on March 12, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Someone needs to tell Crocker the American people aren’t falling for this load of crock anymore.

Dr Evil on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

all that matters to him is keeping the defense contractors who lobby our politicians and practically run our military-industrial complex happy by ordering new ammo and bombs.

as with everything in this country, follow the $$$$$$

DBear on March 12, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Funny. How’s your guy Obama’s Afghan surge workin for ya?

Roymunson on March 12, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Osama is dead. The war is no longer worth fighting

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:14 PM

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

What would you have done after 9/11, if not go into Afghanistan? I`m not being a jerk, just curious.

ThePrez on March 12, 2012 at 8:14 PM

The Afghanistyville Horror
“For God’s sake, get out!”

EddieC on March 12, 2012 at 8:16 PM

He can join the military and go fight. Time to end this useless Bush war

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Afghanistan is Obama’s War.

Obama’s War Frontline PBS

Make sure to watch the video, and find out the origin of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan. Hint: American engineers back in the 1970s decided to build a dam to make farming easier for Afghan farmers. The rest is history.

Dr Evil on March 12, 2012 at 8:16 PM

reducing our footprint progressively

What does Al Gore selling carbon credits have to do with this? Afghanistan = AGW?

malclave on March 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM

He can join the military and go fight. Time to end this useless Bush war

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

…you didn’t read it did you Dumb Dumb?
It’s not that what AP is writing about is so much ‘over your head’ when you want to comment…it’s just that if it doesn’t fit in a diaper…you can’t understand what’s being said, huh?

KOOLAID2 on March 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Hint: American engineers back in the 1970s decided to build a dam to make farming easier for Afghan farmers. The rest is history.

Dr Evil on March 12, 2012 at 8:16 PM

*facepalm* This, on top of comparing their leaders to the Founding Fathers. Good grief. We really did make a problem for ourselves.

MelonCollie on March 12, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Osama is dead. The war is no longer worth fighting

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:14 PM

…keep drooling!

KOOLAID2 on March 12, 2012 at 8:20 PM

What would you have done after 9/11, if not go into Afghanistan?

ThePrez on March 12, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Apologize?

Mimzey on March 12, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Yes, time to admit that arabs are not ready for democracy. Maybe something in the genes. A benevolent military dictatorship seems to be what they need.

slickwillie2001 on March 12, 2012 at 8:21 PM

He can join the military and go fight. Time to end this useless Bush war

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

If I remember correctly Afghanistan is the real war, and now your side owns it.

DFCtomm on March 12, 2012 at 8:21 PM

These people are not even willing to accept the lifestyle of the 19th century let alone the 21st century. The are still stuck in the 10 century. Nothing will change that. Wasting the lives of young Americans is not the right way to go

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM

….you should teach history!

KOOLAID2 on March 12, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Then get out in 24 hours. Don’t f’in wait.

reddevil on March 12, 2012 at 8:25 PM

*facepalm* This, on top of comparing their leaders to the Founding Fathers. Good grief. We really did make a problem for ourselves.

MelonCollie on March 12, 2012 at 8:19 PM

This is worth the read.

The Lost History Of Helmand Afghanistan

In 1972 parliament was suspended and a year later the Prime Minister Daoud joined with the army to mount a coup that got rid of the King. It was the beginning of the chaos that would lead the country into anarchy and disaster. And the end of the dreams of the Helmand Valley Project. The Americans began to leave, abandoning a vast infrastructure that started to decay.

But during the Soviet war both sides found a use for the remains of the project. The giant reservoir was used to dump bodies tortured and killed by the Khalq communists. While the Mujahedin used the water chanels for cover when fighting the Russians

And the new soil was very suitable for a new crop – the opium poppy. It grows well in dry climates and in alkaline and saline soils, and poppy-growing increased massively in Helmand in the 1980s. And with it the heroin trade.

Then in 1994 the Taliban movement began in Helmand province as an alliance of Pashtun clans
While in power the Taliban government finished a central part of the Helmand valley project that the Americans had left unfinished in the 1970s. It was a hydroelectric plant that would use Kajaki dam to bring electricity to the city of Kandahar. The Taliban finally finished it in early 2001.

Then later that year American B52s bombed the plant. Here is the BBC news report of the American attack on the dam in November 2001.

Dr Evil on March 12, 2012 at 8:26 PM

American engineers back in the 1970s decided to build a dam to make farming easier for Afghan farmers.

on our way out reduce them to the 7th century infrastructure

newrouter on March 12, 2012 at 8:28 PM

If I remember correctly Afghanistan is the real war, and now your side owns it.

DFCtomm on March 12, 2012 at 8:21 PM

They lied. Besides, the liberals’ real war is against their class enemies, namely us.

Steve Eggleston on March 12, 2012 at 8:28 PM

He can join the military and go fight. Time to end this useless Bush war

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

What would you have done after 9/11, if not go into Afghanistan? I`m not being a jerk, just curious.

ThePrez on March 12, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Once again, the response from liberal4life is……. crickets

Bitter Clinger on March 12, 2012 at 8:29 PM

on our way out reduce them to the 7th century infrastructure

newrouter on March 12, 2012 at 8:28 PM

THIS! They wanna act like Stone Age barbarians? By golly they can live like it!

MelonCollie on March 12, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Let bomb from afar from now on.

Drones, cruise missiles, et al.

You can’t “help” those who believe in the Koran.

profitsbeard on March 12, 2012 at 8:32 PM

I never thought I’d get to this point, but I’ve had about enough of Afghanistan. There doesn’t appear to be any realistically achievable goals left, so why are we still spending blood and treasure there? Afghanistan isn’t going to become a stable country, let alone even resembling a democracy. We aren’t going to be able to take out the Taliban given the current ROE. They will bide their time, while trading potshots with us till our pullout in 2014. Well if we can’t do even one of these then why are wait until 2014? Either target the Taliban mercilessly, even if we have to ignore the fradulent Karzai regime, or get the heck out.

JohnAGJ on March 12, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Time to end this useless Bush war

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

It’s a war that Obama has been running for years. How about Libya? How about Somalia? How about Yemen? Are you even willing to acknowledge that Obama has started more wars than Bush, or any other president?

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2012 at 8:33 PM

*facepalm* This, on top of comparing their leaders to the Founding Fathers. Good grief. We really did make a problem for ourselves.

MelonCollie on March 12, 2012 at 8:19 PM

I did blog about “the unintended consequences of problem solving” after I watched the PBS Frontline video Obama’s War. Problem solving is an American thing it’s what we do we innovate.

Over and Over Again Nature Points Out The Folly Of Man.

I mentioned in another blog thread a couple of days ago about Mark Steyn stating that when we pull out of Afghanistan, it will be like we were never there. That’s simply isn’t true. We have built a highway system in Afghanistan. The Chinese are using it to export the copper they are excavating. I have no doubt that the poppy cultivators will also use the highway system we created. The purpose was to link the different Afghan provinces together for their national security.

Dr Evil on March 12, 2012 at 8:38 PM

What would you have done after 9/11, if not go into Afghanistan? I`m not being a jerk, just curious.

ThePrez on March 12, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I agreed with and fully supported Bush’s decision to invade Afghanistan after 9/11. I don’t see what else we could have done after being attacked. I’m not sure at what point it should have happened, but when it became clear that we were getting nowhere with the Karzai regime we should have ignored it and Pakistan in order to quash the Taliban and then leave the folks there (or heck, the UN – hahahaha) to clean up. We can’t force people to remake themselves and rebuild their country if they’re unwilling to. If they want to live like savages as long as they don’t attack us anymore than so be it.

JohnAGJ on March 12, 2012 at 8:39 PM

It’s a war that Obama has been running for years. How about Libya? How about Somalia? How about Yemen? Are you even willing to acknowledge that Obama has started more wars than Bush, or any other president?

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Typical of libsquirrel4life….. throw out the obligatory Bush war reference than never come back and debate it further.

Bitter Clinger on March 12, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Many of us old cold warriors thought going beyond trashing the Taliban and killing Osama was stupid. The AFG has been a mess since Alexander the Great. The difference we will have made is the same as you will see when you pull your arm of a bucket of water.

The problem with the AFG is in Islamabad, and the problem will not be solved until that problem of the PAKs is solved.

With both Iraq and Tashcanistan we should have simply gone in, trashed the place and handed the key to someone else with the warning, “don’t make us come back again.” For those of us that held that from the beginning we got the pathetic little Frummer boy’s puerile attempt to read us out of the party.

I wanted to be wrong, alas, and I have hated being proven right by events.

Quartermaster on March 12, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Even if proper strategies – and the necessary actions taken to ensure their success- were to be put in place now, it’s too late, and time to go. Too much damage for too long. We will have wasted much blood and treasure in vain; wasting more at this point would be pointless.
Leave , but with this warning. Should you again allow your country to be a springboard for our enemies to use to harm us, we will return. But only to deal with and destroy such a threat. No considerations will be given to your ‘sensibilities’, or to your hearts and minds. We will act violently with nothing more than our own national interests considered, and you will truly reap what you sow. And Mr. Karzai, you are on your own. The over/under on how long you have to live has already started.
Unfortunately, when that time comes, I doubt any of the above will even be considered.

mc4ever59 on March 12, 2012 at 8:47 PM

These people are not even willing to accept the lifestyle of the 19th century let alone the 21st century. The are still stuck in the 10 century. Nothing will change that. Wasting the lives of young Americans is not the right way to go

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM

First of all we have an all volunteer Armed Forces, and second of all, most of our military serving there specifically ask to be sent there.

Del Dolemonte on March 12, 2012 at 9:09 PM

karzai was our middleman back when we giving Afghani Mujahadeen Stinger missiles with which to shoot down Soviet helicopters. He became ‘our guy’ to prop up in Afghanistan because he already had the connections and we already had him in our rolodexes. He never was strong enough to be our ‘strong man’. Then Obama got elected and ‘American Strength’ in the eyes of the Afghanis evaoprated. The countdown to pullout started and it’s been a lost cause ever since. Probably always.
We let amateurs and ideological morons within our own Federal bureaucracies squander billions and accomplish nothing with their supine behaviours. All to bring us to such a ridiculously weakened position that a single incident like this can undermine a decade’s work and the price of thousands of American lives. We should be nationally ashamed for our ineptitude. For our lack of oversight and professionalism in the bureaucratic conduct of our ill-shaped foreign policy. Goal-less, self-negating, SELF-BLAMING, while the best of America bleeds and dies for it. AND pays for it.
Our State Dept needs a purge. An outright decimation. The failed situation in Afghanistan is THEIR fault and that of the Obama Administration, for it’s lack of teticular fortitude and unerring support for this nation’s enemies and weak sisters.

rayra on March 12, 2012 at 9:24 PM

if we’re not there kicking taliban a$$es and kicking them hard, we should GTFO already

maineconservative on March 12, 2012 at 9:38 PM

We can’t really take their word for it.

Enrique on March 12, 2012 at 8:09 PM

So very, very true.

cynccook on March 12, 2012 at 9:47 PM

The only responsible, non-anti-American thing to do is get out of that crap hole right now. Only those who hate the troops want to stay a minute longer.

VorDaj on March 12, 2012 at 9:54 PM

The counterinsurgency strategy falls apart if the Afghan people have to worry that an American soldier in their midst might come murder their family in the night.

The so called “counterinsurgency strategy”, aka Operation Enduring Insanity, fell apart quite some time ago and only the brainless and clueless are blind to that fact.

VorDaj on March 12, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Withdrawing NOW could STOP pre-9/11 conditions in Afghanistan.

There, I fixed it for him. This is ridiculous.

If this is “too soon” then this war really will never end.

fatlibertarianinokc on March 12, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Relevant piece by Andrew McCarthy, focusing on Syria, here.

Tzetzes on March 12, 2012 at 10:03 PM

most of our military serving there specifically ask to be sent there.

Del Dolemonte on March 12, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Where the hell did you get that from? Most all the troops there are there because their unit was sent there.

VorDaj on March 12, 2012 at 10:04 PM

karzai seems ready to impose full sharia law on women. If our troops stay and protect him and his government then they are supporting sharia law, which would make them enemies of humanity and criminals in the eyes of God.

VorDaj on March 12, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Bring our boys and (girls) home.

Politricks on March 12, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Neocons are anti-American bastards.

VorDaj on March 12, 2012 at 10:10 PM

VorDaj; although I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, I don’t appreciate what appears to me (as it’s written- I can’t get the quote thing to work) Mr. Kaplan implying that American and allied troops only now have to worry about being murdered by their Afghan “allies” because of what happened yesterday. The murders of U.S. troops are numerous, and have been ongoing for quite some time.

mc4ever59 on March 12, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Time to end this useless Bush war

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM

You mean the war Obama promised to win…..”the good war” that liberals yelled and screamed about was so necessary to win.
Democrats voted overwhelmingly for this war and we would not be there without them.
Obama said he had a “smarter plan”…..was going to “finish the fight” against the Taliban and al-qaeda.

…….kind of exposes your “Bush’s war” idiocy for the infantile drivel that it is.

Obama sent his own Generals in with Obama’s own plan into Afghanistan and has failed miserably.

Obama and the democrats own this surrender and the consequences that will come from it.

Baxter Greene on March 12, 2012 at 10:30 PM

These people are not even willing to accept the lifestyle of the 19th century let alone the 21st century. The are still stuck in the 10 century. Nothing will change that. Wasting the lives of young Americans is not the right way to go

liberal4life on March 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Then why did your hero Obama send more men and women there genius????

You liberals have been celebrating Sgt. Barack and his “smart power” for years now.

liberals now love the fact that the chicken hawk Obama launches wars against oil rich countries that didn’t attack us and posed no imminent threat.
…..you cheer on a President that doesn’t even get Congressional approval before he launches this country into a war in Libya….a war that has resulted in the jihadist gaining control there now.
Al-qaeda is already on record thanking Obama for delivering Libya to them.

Real “smart power” there genius.

Now the Obama that talked real tough about how he was going to win in Afghanistan and take care of the threats in Pakistan has done noting but talk about exit dates and getting out since becoming President.

The same Obama that talked about “defeating the Taliban” now says “they are not our enemy”.

The bottom line is that the enemy has not been defeated in Afghanistan,Pakistan,and the jihadist have gained more power and taken more territory under Obama’s “smart power” than at any time in modern history.

These jihadist want us dead…period.They will not stop until the West either converts to Islam or until we are dead.
Instead of making it clear that this is a fight we have to win….Obama can’t surrender fast enough.

Captain’s Journal sums this situation up perfectly:

On January 23, 2012 at 1:35 am, Herschel Smith said:

Sir, rest assured that at some point in the future we will regret this. I don’t subscribe to the “Taliban are no ally of al Qaeda” narrative. We will encounter problems and sustain risk that we don’t want. But at the current time, I see no other alternative. America isn’t ready to fight this fight. We aren’t ready to fight militant Islam on our own terms, and so we will fight it on their terms. We will suffer for it.

….and that is exactly what is going on.
This enemy is not going away…it’s getting stronger…and we will have to confront it without the advantages that we have now.There will be unimaginable bloodshed before this is over with and many will look back and wish we had not been so ready to concede this fight right now.
History will show that Obama retreated when the enemy needed to be confronted.

Baxter Greene on March 12, 2012 at 10:46 PM

If successful counterinsurgency ultimately depends on trust, what happens to your chances of success once the trust is gone?

Not just “counterinsurgency” that depends on trust and help from the populace.
But this Biden plan of drones and special ops that the White House wants to go with depends on it to.
The intelligence that makes drone strikes and special op missions successful will dry up once we are not the strong force in Afghanistan. We will no more be able to carry out meaningful,successful missions there anymore than we are able to carrying them out in Iran….which has been little to none.

The fact that we have not stopped the training,funding,and support of terrorist in Pakistan shows just how ridiculous it is to think we can defeat the jihadist without a full military commitment and a President who is not afraid to do what it takes to defeat the enemy.

You can bet that running away from this fight is certainly not going to make this jihadist threat go away either.

Great work Sgt. Barack……first you told America that the surge in Iraq would not work…you were seriously wrong….
………….then you told us you could win the war in Afghanistan with your “smart power” policies……and you are seriously wrong again.

Lots of tough talk from Obama:


Obama Interview 2008 “Losing Is Not An Option” In Afghanistan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZRspJg1VYA

…and instead we ended up with Sir Robin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8

Nothing shouts “smart power” like losing a war that we were told time and again had to be won.

Baxter Greene on March 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Nation building time is over. They came from the 6th Century and are deigned to return. Before we leave we need to map then destroy their poppy fields.
I never heard Karzai apologize after his troops killed our soldiers after the Koran burning incident.

FireBlogger on March 12, 2012 at 11:58 PM

When I went through basic training eons ago we were taught “You’re here to be killers! Period! ” Q “What’s the spirit of the bayonet?” collective a “KILL KILL KILL ARRRRRGH!” Seems like some of this has been forgotten as today’s Army (and Marines)more closely resemble the Salvation Army.

It is the height of irony that the crazed Army Sgt. who allegedly killed 16 Afghans probably generated more respect among the locals than all our “do-good” efforts combined.

Whether we are there or not the Afghans (with almost no exceptions) are (and always will be) inbred, fanatic, murderous,drug growing and dealing, back-biting thugs and perverts. This has been historically true for hundreds of years.

The reason the Afghan mission or adventure has been a miserable failure is because our armed forces have become “dissed” by the locals because of their “merciful good intentions”-considered “womanly” and thus “cowardly” by these Muslims.How can they follow and respect somebody they think is a “pussy”?

This isn’t a Haight-Ashbury “Love In”. It is war -which should be (hopefully for the enemy) Hell.

MaiDee on March 13, 2012 at 5:20 AM

They were stone-age barbarians before 9/11, and they’re still stone-age barbarians. Let them live in caves and grow poppies and eat with their hands. They’re obsessed with living just like Mohammed did.

So let ‘em.

Alabama Patriot on March 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM

Frankly, this whole business of putting so much stock into such things as hearts and minds, cultural sensitivities, and bringing ‘democracy’ to the Afghans- or any other people who’s country it is determined we need to invade- is where everything goes off the rails.
You commit troops to combat for this country’s national interests and defense. You employ strategies and tactics that are in line with bringing the results into line with that goal, and you keep faith with the troops you ask to risk life and limb to achieve it.
As far as the locals go, you make it clear that if this ends up being an improvement for them also, we’re all for it. But we really don’t give a damn; we’re here for our country.
The business of hearts and minds, worry over what the UN will say, and so on, has resulted in ten plus years of changes in direction, with each new ‘solution’ having no more chance of success than the last.
Since we have no political/national will to do the right things for the right reasons, and by applying whatever methods needed to bring about their success, we will continue to flail around and fail. Maybe it will take losing a city or two to finally wake up to simple realty.

mc4ever59 on March 13, 2012 at 7:49 AM

Even if Al Qaeda does come to dominate Afghanistan (not a foregone conclusion) should we quickly withdraw, the situation would not at all be the same or even nearly the same as just before 9/11. For one our intelligence services are not nearly as incompetent & clueless as they were before. They won’t be noticing Muslims on student visas take flying lessons and ignoring it like the previous idiots.

Chessplayer on March 13, 2012 at 3:42 PM