Breaking: US soldier held after rampage, 15 Afghan civilians killed

posted at 10:27 am on March 11, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

This is simply awful, if true — and it appears it is:

A U.S. soldier was taken into custody in southern Afghanistan on Sunday, a few hours after he opened fire on Afghan civilians, killing 15, U.S. and Afghan officials said.

The shooting took place at approximately 3 a.m. as a lone soldier left a checkpoint in Kandahar province’s Panjwai district and opened fire on civilians in two villages, said Javed Faisal, the director of the provincial government’s media center.

Citing preliminary reports, Faisal said at least 15 people were killed and five were wounded. Provincial authorities said they were awaiting news from an investigative team sent to the villages before releasing a definitive death toll.

The BBC reports that the death toll is 16.  The US has not formally acknowledged that the shootings were perpetrated by an American soldier, but are investigating the incident:

Lt Gen Adrian Bradshaw, deputy commander of Nato-led forces, said he was unable to “explain the motivation behind such callous acts”, adding that “our thoughts and prayers are with those caught in this tragedy”.

The soldier has not been named, but is thought to be a staff sergeant.

He is reported to have walked off his base at around 03:00 local time (22:30 GMT Saturday) and headed to nearby villages, moving methodically from house to house.

If this is true, this will make the Koran burnings look like an Occupy protest.  Atrocities happen in every war even if they aren’t policy, but they can inflame the populace and make it impossible to constrain them.  That may happen even if the shooter turns out to be someone else, a possibility that looks fairly unlikely at the moment anyway:

Maj. Jason Waggnor, a U.S. military spokesman, said several civilians wounded in the shooting were being treated at American medical facilities. He said there is no information yet on the shooter’s motive.

“He walked right off base, started shooting civilians, and returned to the base and turned himself in,” Waggnor said.

Expect some more high-level apologies if this turns out to be accurate, and this time I doubt anyone can argue with the need to offer them.

 


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Interesting to note,is that any ‘Military Incident’
under Bush was..you got it,Bush`s fault,

but,under Team Hopey,well now,its the US Military`s
fault and has no connection to Anti-War President
Dopey/Ragey!!!!

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:24 PM

…surprising, how some people have such short memories!

KOOLAID2 on March 11, 2012 at 12:36 PM

“He walked right off base, started shooting civilians, and returned to the base and turned himself in,” Waggnor said.

How many U.S. Afghans, and coalition troops have been killed over the hyped Koran burning? This looks suspiciously like payback….what’s the message: you hit us, we hit your families?

Dr Evil on March 11, 2012 at 12:36 PM

If a US soldier truly started firing without cause on civilians, they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of military justice.

That’s all that needs to be said. To those immediately condemning the entire US military(you Ron Paul nuts know who you are, and to those sneering and laughing at the possibility of dead innocent women and children, may you both reap the karmic s**t that your diseased, repulsive souls deserve.

MadisonConservative on March 11, 2012 at 12:31 PM

That sounds about right to me.

ghostwriter on March 11, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Do our soldiers get union lawyers to defend them or is that right only reserved for Occupiers?

solatic on March 11, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Michael Yon has stated that there are mostly Special Forces in this area. Reuters is saying multiple US soldiers were involved. As we know from the OBL killing, Obama personally orders SF/Seal missions.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Why would he want a mission against civilians? Think about that for a minute before you hit the next “Submit Comment” button.

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2012 at 12:37 PM

But honestly, if you guys are this incensed over two U.S. troops being shot and killed by our afghan allies, then I think you would have some empathy for the afghan people who have seen thousands of civilians killed in their own country by an occupying force over the past ten years.

Tom_Shipley on March 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM

According to the UN, the Taliban and other Islamic groups are responsible for 77% of civilian deaths. They kill little boys who don’t want to fight for them.

Gelsomina on March 11, 2012 at 12:37 PM

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:31 PM
—————————————

I wasn’t singling you out earlier. (I thought that your agreement with katy’s post was a bit odd, but I wasn’t referring to you when I said several posts on this thread were odious.

ghostwriter on March 11, 2012 at 12:34 PM

ghostwriter:Yes I know,and sometimes I like to go off the deep end,
to offer various scenarios,even the Loonytic ones`:)

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:37 PM

How stupid. What would Obama gain by such a thing??

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Obama himself said he doesn’t bluff.

Roy Rogers on March 11, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Good gawd,this was murder as it sounds so far,in my brain,ugh!

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Well, on the face of the account we have thus far been given that would certainly appear to be a true statement. That would of course be predicated upon the account we have thus far been given actually being true. Sadly, as we have (or maybe haven’t yet learned) within the Islamic world perfidy is a perfectly acceptable tactic and has been on multiple occasions very successfully used against us.

I am reminded of an incident a couple of years ago where a video was released where a (so called) journalist was killed by US troops in Iraq. Closer examination of the video footage would later expose the fact that said journalist was in fact standing right next to an insurgent who was in the process of attempting to fire a RPG at US troops and the journalist was killed by the US troops firing on the insurgent.

SWalker on March 11, 2012 at 12:38 PM

I’m inclined to wait for more details before assuming that multiple soldiers were involved. That sounds like typical fog-of-war stuff to me. (Also, possibly malicious propaganda from the enemy: we certainly look far worse if there were multiples involved rather than just one lone psycho.)

If those reports are correct though, then yeah…holy crap.

Esoteric on March 11, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Good point. This could have been a fog of war incident, or possibly enemy propoganda. Time will tell…

ghostwriter on March 11, 2012 at 12:38 PM

If a US soldier truly started firing without cause on civilians, they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of military justice.

That’s all that needs to be said. To those immediately condemning the entire US military(you Ron Paul nuts know who you are, and to those sneering and laughing at the possibility of dead innocent women and children, may you both reap the karmic s**t that your diseased, repulsive souls deserve.

MadisonConservative on March 11, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Yeah, I can co-sign on this as well.

Esoteric on March 11, 2012 at 12:38 PM

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM

That’s the spirit! Now fall in line and do as you’re told, and while you’re at it give everyone a nice up-twinkle.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Interesting to note,is that any ‘Military Incident’
under Bush was..you got it,Bush`s fault,

but,under Team Hopey,well now,its the US Military`s
fault and has no connection to Anti-War President
Dopey/Ragey!!!!

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:24 PM

The POTUS is the CiC……the buck stops at him.

tencole on March 11, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Dude, these are MUSLIM children, aka FUTURE TERRORISTZ!!!/(<——-)

rndmusrnm on March 11, 2012 at 12:25 PM

You’re disgusting.

ghostwriter on March 11, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Hello and welcome, you must be new to the internet. This: “/”, is shout for this: “/sarc”, which is short for “/sarcasm”, which means this: “/” is an internet symbol for “turning sarcasm off”. My above statement was meant to point out how psycho the majority of the commentators here were sounding. (that’s the first time I’ve ever had to explain the sarc tag, result of commentating on a political blog where the majority of commentators are FREAKING OLD./ (<—see what I did there?)

I'm glad that you're upset about this but most other commentators here take the position that:

1)Obama's fault
2) no one over there is innocent, they kill our civis so we can kill their women and children

Both are insane.

rndmusrnm on March 11, 2012 at 12:39 PM

But honestly, if you guys are this incensed over two U.S. troops being shot and killed by our afghan allies, then I think you would have some empathy for the afghan people who have seen thousands of civilians killed in their own country by an occupying force over the past ten years.

Tom_Shipley on March 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Yes, very understandable.

According to the UN, the Taliban and other Islamic groups are responsible for 77% of civilian deaths. They kill little boys who don’t want to fight for them.

Gelsomina on March 11, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Who they wouldn’t have to kill if they didn’t see punishing shirkers and occupied-government supporters as necessary to their war aims.

Look, I supported the invasion and occupation, but that doesn’t mean I’ve turned off my mind and can’t see things from the other sides’ perspective.

Random on March 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM

IF this happened as has been reported, the soldier(s) responsible should be held accountable (tried, convicted, executed) for murder.

If this DIDNT happen as reported, whomever REPORTED IT this way need to be held accountable (tried, convicted, executed) for the wave of muslims murdering Americans which is about to take place.

wildcat72 on March 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Interesting article on alcohol in Afghanistan.

It begins:

7:00AM BST 08 Sep 2009
General Stanley McChrystal tried to contact his subordinates after a Nato strike killed 125 civilians, but too many had been “partying it up” and could not be raised.

General McChrystal, head of International Forces in Afghanistan (Isaf), has since put a stop to drinking, admonishing staff for not having “their heads in the right place” on Friday morning a few hours after the attack, the Times reports.

The diktat means that the coffee shops and bars where commanders used to be able to enjoy a beer or three will now be dry.

Lot of relevance in just those three paragraphs.

BKeyser on March 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM

If a US soldier truly started firing without cause on civilians, they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of military justice.

That’s all that needs to be said. To those immediately condemning the entire US military(you Ron Paul nuts know who you are, and to those sneering and laughing at the possibility of dead innocent women and children, may you both reap the karmic s**t that your diseased, repulsive souls deserve.

MadisonConservative on March 11, 2012 at 12:31 PM

+1000

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Just Rolling in!Looks like a single Act,a legal case,he is a
US Soldier!

Kandahar Shooting Gen. Jacobson Interview.mov
March 10 2012
*************

An investigation is underway after a number of Afghan civilians were killed by a US soldier overnight in the province of Kandahar. The individual has been detained by ISAF.
=========================================

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvRAWl5xOzo

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:42 PM

rndmusrnm on March 11, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Ha ha!

Funny.

Random on March 11, 2012 at 12:42 PM

This is sounding more and more like a Special Forces op that was likely authorized by Obama.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 12:26 PM

~~~~~~

Why would you say that? Because Michael Yon says the only base he knows about in the area is a Special Forces base? From what I’ve read about MY, not all military worship at his feet…it seems this is quickly turning from, “stressed INDIVIDUAL soldier going on a rampage”, to, “druken troops murdering in cold blood”…I’d hate for a narrative to take hold that it was some kind of authorized raid…I’ll be highly skeptical too about ANY statement coming from ANYONE who is an Afghani…

ellifint on March 11, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Fire up the Wayback Machine.

October 22, 2008

…Only a comprehensive strategy that prioritizes Afghanistan and the fight against al Qaeda will succeed, and that’s the change I’ll bring to the White House.”

–Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), in a speech Wednesday in Richmond, Virginia on national security policy.

Fallon on March 11, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Exactly. I told my husband in 2008 that this is going to be another Vietnam.

Gelsomina on March 11, 2012 at 12:42 PM

That’s the spirit! Now fall in line and do as you’re told, and while you’re at it give everyone a nice up-twinkle.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Signing on to the “leftist infiltration” conspiracy theories?

cjw79 on March 11, 2012 at 12:42 PM

rndmusrnm on March 11, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Of Bush owned all the bad things that happened during his tenure then Obama does. Add to that the fact that Obama increased the level of troops and quickly “apologizes” for their actions while not holding Karzai and his regime accountable yeh I say fault lies with Obama.

CW on March 11, 2012 at 12:43 PM

The diktat means that the coffee shops and bars where commanders used to be able to enjoy a beer or three will now be dry.

Well, it’s a good thing the U.S. is around to punish other nations for their irresponsible drug use./

Random on March 11, 2012 at 12:43 PM

./ (<—see what I did there?)
rndmusrnm on March 11, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Oh and most people are smart enough not to put a sarc tag at the end of several exclamation points.

CW on March 11, 2012 at 12:44 PM

I have never seen the Taliban in uniform, have you? Please… think.

Let’s see how much of these reports are Taliban disinformation, ie. ‘drunk’, etc.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 12:42 PM

While we don’t have nearly all the facts, if women and children were killed, then they aren’t Taliban. Thus, a Special Op mission against them ordered by Obama would be pure bunk.

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2012 at 12:44 PM

I have a feeling to fecal matter is going to strike the rotary air impeller over this. The Army has armed soldiers in stressful positions, surrounded by enemies who use frightened innocent locals as cover. Some of these soldiers are at the same time are under treatment for mental disorders. If, as has been said over the scuttlebutt, this soldier was being treated for an issue, did it not occur to them that at the first diagnosis of a mental disorder the first thing to do is to get the soldier out of the area and take away the damned rifle?

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on March 11, 2012 at 12:44 PM

I just saw my bobber disappear under the surface a bit….come oooonnn…come oooooonnnn…taaaaaakkee it….

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Looks like we need to wait about a week to get some facts straight.

the_nile on March 11, 2012 at 12:25 PM

GET THE THE HELL OUT, THEN PROCEED !!
A week could equal a helluvalot of dead troops !!!!

pambi on March 11, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Random on March 11, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Those coffee shops and bars could be on base, you know. You’re also aware, I assume, that alcohol was illegal under the Taliban.

BKeyser on March 11, 2012 at 12:45 PM

The first Official Aplogy Rolls out!

A Condolence Statement From US Embassy Kabul (English)
Uploaded by usembassykabul1 on Mar 11, 2012
********************************************

A Condolence Statement from Acting U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan James B. Cunningham regarding the incident in Panjwa’i District, Kandahar Province. Recorded at U.S. Embassy Kabul on March 11,2012
==================================================================

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-5awkL-HX8

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:45 PM

This is simply awful, if true — and it appears it is:

I am hoping for a retraction.

Multiple soldiers is an entirely different scenario that a single soldier.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 12:46 PM

According to the UN, the Taliban and other Islamic groups are responsible for 77% of civilian deaths. They kill little boys who don’t want to fight for them.

Gelsomina on March 11, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Who they wouldn’t have to kill if they didn’t see punishing shirkers and occupied-government supporters as necessary to their war aims.

Random on March 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Wow! Really??? Go to Hell .

CW on March 11, 2012 at 12:46 PM

I just saw my bobber disappear under the surface a bit….come oooonnn…come oooooonnnn…taaaaaakkee it….

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:44 PM

This all happened because we forced the Versailles Treaty on the poor German people after World War 1.

MadisonConservative on March 11, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Hello and welcome, you must be new to the internet. This: “/”, is shout for this: “/sarc”, which is short for “/sarcasm”, which means this: “/” is an internet symbol for “turning sarcasm off”. My above statement was meant to point out how psycho the majority of the commentators here were sounding. (that’s the first time I’ve ever had to explain the sarc tag, result of commentating on a political blog where the majority of commentators are FREAKING OLD./ (<—see what I did there?)

I'm glad that you're upset about this but most other commentators here take the position that:

1)Obama's fault
2) no one over there is innocent, they kill our civis so we can kill their women and children

Both are insane.

rndmusrnm on March 11, 2012 at 12:39 PM

All well and good but your Sarcasm slash was well-hidden behind the exclamation points. Might want to put it on another line by itself, just so it’s clear.

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2012 at 12:47 PM

rndmusrnm on March 11, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Don’t talk to me like I’m an idiot. I had already apologized for my oversight once. I’m not apologizing twice.

ghostwriter on March 11, 2012 at 12:47 PM

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:24 PM

+100

you’re darn tootin’ C

cmsinaz on March 11, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Why would he want a mission against civilians? Think about that for a minute before you hit the next “Submit Comment” button.

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Were they civilians? The Taliban hides inside the population it uses women and children as human shields. Women and children are worth less than livestock in Afghanistan.

It’s incredible that after we have been at war in Afghanistan for over 10 years, no one appears to have a clue what it’s like for our troops on the ground to fight these primitives.

Dr Evil on March 11, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Who they wouldn’t have to kill if they didn’t see punishing shirkers and occupied-government supporters as necessary to their war aims.

Random on March 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM

You are nothing but an apologist for monsters. You deserve no respect whatsoever, you filthy, disgusting coward.

MadisonConservative on March 11, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Western forces kill 16 civilians in Afghanistan

Reuters is going with the John Kerry/ Ed Morrissey atrocity angle.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 12:17 PM

What other angle is there? It is an atrocity!

ghostwriter on March 11, 2012 at 12:19 PM

But not committed by “Western forces.” It was a crime committed by an individual, not a planned military action.

Gelsomina on March 11, 2012 at 12:48 PM

This all happened because we forced the Versailles Treaty on the poor German people after World War 1.

MadisonConservative on March 11, 2012 at 12:47 PM

You couldn’t be more wrong. This is because of what the U.S. Army did at Wounded Knee.

Get some history in you and then check back.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:49 PM

What is all the excitement about? One US soldier flipped out and did horrible things. He will be severely punished for this. This does not at all exemplify the typical US soldier. However, everyone and his brother in law will offer apologies for this one kook.
.
As a matter of fact, due to the current no win rules of engagement, US soldiers are supposed to put themselves into mortal danger and get killed if there is a whiff of a civilian 300 miles away. The US soldiers are the ones that are supposed to get killed. /cynicism off.

FactsofLife on March 11, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Don’t talk to me like I’m an idiot. I had already apologized for my oversight once. I’m not apologizing twice.

ghostwriter on March 11, 2012 at 12:47 PM

You want to bet that 90 % of those who read his post “!!!/” thought as you did? I did. As another poster and I pointed out the idiot wrote his post in a terrible manner.

CW on March 11, 2012 at 12:49 PM

did it not occur to them that at the first diagnosis of a mental disorder the first thing to do is to get the soldier out of the area and take away the damned rifle?

Your point is well taken.

The problem with that is with the way psychiatry has expanded the definitions of mental disorders with each edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of Mental Disorders, few things aren’t.

And, allegedly, they’ll all important. Because psychiatrists can bill insurance companies under the new, expanded lists of codes, and drug companies can sell more drugs — which just so happen to destabilize the brain, including causing mania, and create demand for more and future drugs — to these insurance companies and institutions, and once in a blue moon, to an actual patient.

DSM-5 is coming out in 2013, and will just hasten that trend.

So if you pulled everyone out of the military, or your job, or driving a bus, or from your potential dating pool, or whatever, who had a diagnosable “mental disorder”, society would be crippled. There are (now) just too many of them (profit centers).

Random on March 11, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Random on March 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM

You are nothing but an apologist for monsters. You deserve no respect whatsoever, you filthy, disgusting coward.

MadisonConservative on March 11, 2012 at 12:48 PM

You have to think in Random’s little head that there is little that cannot be justified.

CW on March 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM

You couldn’t be more wrong. This is because of what the U.S. Army did at Wounded Knee.

Get some history in you and then check back.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Fool. This is clearly the result of our pernicious actions in Grenada. Stop worshiping Reagan blindly, neocon.

MadisonConservative on March 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:45 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

cmsinaz on March 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM

It was a crime committed by an individual, not a planned military action.

Gelsomina on March 11, 2012 at 12:48 PM

hmmm… it looks like we need to wait for more info. Reuters is reporting it’s multiple US soldiers.

Was this a mission? Is this just Taliban misinformation?

More info please.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM

You couldn’t be more wrong. This is because of what the U.S. Army did at Wounded Knee.

Get some history in you and then check back.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Oh DEAR GOD… Bishop has failed history… It isn’t because of wounded Knee, it’s clearly all George Washington’s fault for that little Whiskey Rebellion action…

SWalker on March 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM

It’s incredible that after we have been at war in Afghanistan for over 10 years, no one appears to have a clue what it’s like for our troops on the ground to fight these primitives.

Dr Evil on March 11, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Someone does, the actual troops on the ground who live and die with it every day.

This incident has already gone off in 100 different directions, why can’t anyone wait for more facts and circumstances to appear.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM
—————————————
That’s the spirit! Now fall in line and do as you’re told, and while you’re at it give everyone a nice up-twinkle.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Bishop:

Lol,ya,it seems to work great for the ZombieObamaLickingBots!!:)

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM

A soldier commits murder, and the apologists rush to blame everyone but him and/or give him the cover of stress.

Dante on March 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM

He will be severely punished for this.

FactsofLife on March 11, 2012 at 12:49 PM

AND that is the bottom line.If the facts are as presented we will handle this and that guy will not see the light of day for a long long time because we do believe in justice.

CW on March 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM

This incident has already gone off in 100 different directions, why can’t anyone wait for more facts and circumstances to appear.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Bishop:No sh*t!!:)

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM

This incident has already gone off in 100 different directions, why can’t anyone wait for more facts and circumstances to appear.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Back you heretic, that kind of thinking shall not be allowed to stand…

SWalker on March 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Quick to get something out of 15 dead people? You deserve some sort of medal.

lester on March 11, 2012 at 11:32 AM

You mean like the dems blaming Rush Limbaugh for Oklahoma City, and the dems blaming Sarah Palin for Giffords, etc.? This just started, but I feel pretty certain your side will be making all kinds of statements aimed at trying to get something out of this. It’s only a matter of time. And it will most definitely have the usual America hating flavor it always does, coming from you people.

Night Owl on March 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM

A Condolence Statement From US Embassy Kabul (English)

I’m not sure starting that recorded statement with a big smile on his face was optimal.

Random on March 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM

A soldier commits murder, and the apologists rush to blame everyone but him and/or give him the cover of stress.

Dante on March 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM

You see what you want to see. I wonder dipshite why you have not condemned Random for justifying the murders of children by the Taliban…or are you in lockstep with the puke?

CW on March 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Looks as if Professor Bishop has some learnin’ to impart to you twits.

The Mohican people were wiped out through a combination of disease and pressure from tribes who themselves were being pushed out by European settlers. That process has a direct correlation to what happened and is happening in Afghanistan; the Taliban are descended from the Mohicans.

Jeebus…why do I have to explain everything around here.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM

This page needs an official update. Here’s an unofficial one from Reuters

Western forces shot dead 16 civilians including nine children in southern Kandahar province on Sunday, Afghan officials said, in a rampage that witnesses said was carried out by American soldiers who were laughing and appeared drunk.

Note, it’s more than one soldier now.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM

I’m scared to check my FB page !

pambi on March 11, 2012 at 12:55 PM

You see what you want to see. I wonder dipshite why you have not condemned Random for justifying the murders of children by the Taliban…or are you in lockstep with the puke?

CW on March 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Irony

Dante on March 11, 2012 at 12:55 PM

What is all the excitement about?

This:

One US soldier flipped out and did horrible things.

YYZ on March 11, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Well,I`ve gots one more outrageous thought!!

So,I`m wondering,could the person in question
be a registered Democrat!

*(canopfor sits back awaiting the barriage!)!
(snark)

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Reuters is going with the John Kerry/ Ed Morrissey atrocity angle.

Yes, otherwise known as the “reality” angle. Dude, NINE UNARMED INNOCENT CIVILIAN CHILDREN ARE DEAD BY CURRENT REPORTS. What would you call it? (Let me guess: “no great loss, they’re all terrorists amirite?!?”)

Way to tar Ed (whom I criticize frequently in other threads, FWIW) by rhetorically linking him to John Kerry, by the way. That’s some real clear evidence of intellectual honesty right there.

Esoteric on March 11, 2012 at 12:23 PM

To say that this atrocity was committed by “Western forces” is not “reality”. It’s a spin to make it look as if the entire NATO were responsible for the crime.

Gelsomina on March 11, 2012 at 12:57 PM

It’s sounds like Obama is trying to blame anyone else for a botched SF mission.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 12:58 PM

I wonder dipshite why you have not condemned Random for justifying the murders of children by the Taliban…or are you in lockstep with the puke?

CW on March 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Ding ding ding ding ding.

MadisonConservative on March 11, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Note, it’s more than one soldier now.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Quit it, we already know that it was a lone gunman wrapped in a U.S. flag and screaming out the words to “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”.

Why do you hate righteous condemnation?

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:58 PM

hmmm… it looks like we need to wait for more info. Reuters is reporting it’s multiple US soldiers.

Was this a mission? Is this just Taliban misinformation?

More info please.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Using Reuters (home of “a terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”) as your sole source material is a bit troubling.

Let’s wait for a more comprehensive assemssment, shall we?

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Irony

Dante on March 11, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Learn what a f**king word means before you use it, you weasel, and answer the question, if you have the stones.

MadisonConservative on March 11, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Jeebus…why do I have to explain everything around here.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Bishop:I bet,its already been teached by a liberal teacher!(sarc):)

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Quit it, we already know that it was a lone gunman wrapped in a U.S. flag and screaming out the words to “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Actually, he was listening to Rush, and shouting ‘slut’, slut’, ‘slut’.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Learn what a f**king word means before you use it, you weasel, and answer the question, if you have the stones.

MadisonConservative on March 11, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Oooh, you’re such a tough guy! Profanity and name calling, too!

Dante on March 11, 2012 at 1:00 PM

It’s about time …

moochy on March 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

It’s sounds like Obama is trying to blame anyone else for a botched SF mission.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Guess your just going to stay stuck to your Reuters-inspired story.

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

The White House will announce that these men were Tea Party sympathizers.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

This is bad. I love our troops and this will put them even more in harms way.

VegasRick on March 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

The Left will scream that this crackpot soldier was incited by the Right’s inflammatory rhetoric that denounced Obama’s apology for the recent Koran burnings.

wraithby on March 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Quit it, we already know that it was a lone gunman wrapped in a U.S. flag and screaming out the words to “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”.

Why do you hate righteous condemnation?

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:58 PM

I just want to know how the hell that lone gunman managed to smuggle the grassy knoll all the way to Afghanistan without anybody noticing it.

SWalker on March 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Dude, these are MUSLIM children, aka FUTURE TERRORISTZ!!!/

rndmusrnm on March 11, 2012 at 12:25 PM

You are an azzhole, to put it politely.

Gelsomina on March 11, 2012 at 1:03 PM

I just want to know how the hell that lone gunman managed to smuggle the grassy knoll all the way to Afghanistan without anybody noticing it.

SWalker on March 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

It wasn’t really all that grassy, more like weedy with some small stones mixed in. Ever read a book, wing ding?

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Oooh, you’re such a tough guy! Profanity and name calling, too!

Dante on March 11, 2012 at 1:00 PM

No no…you’re truly the titanium-testicled titan here, having the courage and strength to condemn those who don’t assume the story to be true, while coyly ignoring the fact that swine such as yourself are all too happy to blame us for the Taliban slaughtering children. I bow in awe at your “bravery”…you unspeakable cur.

MadisonConservative on March 11, 2012 at 1:04 PM

It wasn’t really all that grassy, more like weedy with some small stones mixed in. Ever read a book, wing ding?

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Read a book? Are you kidding? I’m not getting lead poisoning…

SWalker on March 11, 2012 at 1:04 PM

A soldier commits murder, and the apologists rush to blame everyone but him and/or give him the cover of stress.

Dante on March 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Dante, I know you’re a reasonable fellow generally. As such, you stand out.

My initial reaction was anger at the soldier. I still am angry at what he did, and am open to anything including the most severe punishment allowed under law.

However.

Based on something someone else said in the headline thread about his breakdown, and based on my own studies of some factors which may contribute to the incidence of spree killings, it occurred to me there may be another (partial, but significant) explanation.

As you know, our thoughts come from our brains. Pretty basic. When you change the brain, this can change the feelings and thoughts. That’s the whole basis of biological psychiatry, which is mainstream psychiatry. I oppose it for the most part because I don’t think they have nearly a good enough understanding of the brain or drugs or drug side effects to do more good than harm, but conceptually, I understand what they’re trying to do.

That said, there is significant evidence certain antidepressants, notably the selective-serotonin reuptake inhibiter class (but others too — and SSRIs aren’t that “selective” — they influence other neurotransmitters and, besides, there are over 20 serotonins in the brain, and despite what you may see in drug company adverts, it’s well known in the industry (and on leaflets included with the drugs) that the mechanism of action is unknown) … increase suicidality (so much so there is now a mandated black box warning, the most severe warning, included with the labelling) as well as potential for harm against others (a recent court case in Canada forced labelling to be mandated there, and the literature supports that here in the USA).

I’ve posted information about this here.

So I do think it’s possible that, without every having received anything like adequate informed consent from the medical professionals in the military, he lost control over his thinking and feelings and sense of personhood such that he committed a spree killing he may never otherwise have committed.

I hate what he did, but I do think it’s possible he wouldn’t have done it had he not been prescribed these drugs and, with a prior breakdown, it would be surprising if he hadn’t been in today’s military.

If you look at the previous comment I posted, Dante, watch and read as much appeals to you, but try at a minimum to watch this:

Dr. Peter Breggin’s Testimony at Veterans Affairs Committee On “Antidepressant-Induced Suicide, Violence and Mania: Implications for the Military

Random on March 11, 2012 at 1:05 PM

MadCon 1:04pm, we agree on something. Well done.

faraway on March 11, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Read a book? Are you kidding? I’m not getting lead poisoning…

SWalker on March 11, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Paper isn’t made of lead, it’s made of paper!

Stupid.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 12:58 PM
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I just want to know how the hell that lone gunman managed to smuggle the grassy knoll all the way to Afghanistan without anybody noticing it.

SWalker on March 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

SWalker:

Oh gawd,and the gunman,in the Afghanistan Womens Library,er,
uuper window!
(snark)

canopfor on March 11, 2012 at 1:06 PM

One rogue soldier went on a rampage, killed 16 people in 3 different houses in 2 different towns 500m apart, poured chemicals on the bodies, while drunk and laughing…as stated in news releases.

This lone soldier staggered off base with his weapon and chemicals, proceeded to stagger into 3 separate houses, kill 16 people, take the time to burn the bodies, no one could stopped him, yet, he staggered back to base and turned himself in?

OldChick on March 11, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Oooh, you’re such a tough guy! Profanity and name calling, too!

Dante on March 11, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Tighten your corset if you want to play with the big kids.

katy the mean old lady on March 11, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Paper isn’t made of lead, it’s made of paper!

Stupid.

Bishop on March 11, 2012 at 1:06 PM

But but but, Obama told me that reading books gives you lead poisoning and we need to burn books to save the children….

SWalker on March 11, 2012 at 1:07 PM

My son is at this base. I hope to hear from him later today when he gets off duty.

trapeze on March 11, 2012 at 1:08 PM

If it is mulitple soldiers…There will probably be a trial and they will all be exonerated.

tomas on March 11, 2012 at 12:29 PM

You are such an idiot. the ROE are so stringent that no one gets “exonerated”.

Take for example 1st Lt Joshua Waddell…..
http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/world/2012/01/marines-career-threatened-controversial-rules-engagement/167369

“….After receiving permission from his battalion
commanders, Waddell ordered Marine snipers to open fire on the man, and
he was hit. A group of Afghans rushed to the man, put him on a tractor
and attempted to flee. Waddell ordered the snipers to hit the engine
block of the tractor, disabling it so the man believed to be a bomb
maker would not escape. The tractor was hit but no civilians were
injured.

Then, about three weeks later, the civilians who helped remove the wounded man from the area were found to be teenagers.

As a result, Waddell was demoted from
executive officer, and the battalion commander, Lt. Col. Seth Folsom,
determined he had violated rules of engagement that governed when
Marines could fire, and at whom. Folsom said Wadell “is not recommended
for promotion” and “in violation of [combat rules] during an
engagement.” The report stated that “noncombatant local nationals” were
in the area of direct fire and that “the engagement resulted in a
damaged local national vehicle.”

tencole on March 11, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Dude, these are MUSLIM children, aka FUTURE TERRORISTZ!!!/

rndmusrnm on March 11, 2012 at 12:25 PM

You are an azzhole, to put it politely.

Gelsomina on March 11, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Perhaps, but it’s already been established the particular part you quoted was him being sarcastic.

Random on March 11, 2012 at 1:09 PM

According to the UN, the Taliban and other Islamic groups are responsible for 77% of civilian deaths. They kill little boys who don’t want to fight for them.

Gelsomina on March 11, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Who they wouldn’t have to kill if they didn’t see punishing shirkers and occupied-government supporters as necessary to their war aims.

Look, I supported the invasion and occupation, but that doesn’t mean I’ve turned off my mind and can’t see things from the other sides’ perspective.

Random on March 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Ah, come on. They kill girls who want to go to school, and their parents. Don’t invent excuses for them.

Gelsomina on March 11, 2012 at 1:10 PM

If so , why do they want talibans back?
Why do they not want to help nato to build a civilization?

Look at Japan and Germany. How come they accepted help from USA to build a civilization after the devastating wars to make them surrender.

the_nile on March 11, 2012 at 11:39 AM

That’s a bad comparison. If we went in Afghanistan thinking Afghans are similar to Japanese or Germans then that was a huge mistake.

Japanese were one people, similarly with Germans and they were both modern but war-torn nations. They both knew what civilization means and wanted it back very much. Afghans on the other hand, are a collection of tribes who can’t even make peace with each other. They are also uncivilized and uneducated so it’s not easy for them to understand who wants the best for them and who can really help them.

Imagine yourself cut off from the rest of the world, living in a small village with your only source of world news and news analysis being the village’s Imam. That’s 90% of Afghanistan. Can you make rational decisions like that?

lester on March 11, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Any war must be approached from the standpoint of WINNING.

In order to accomplish this, the resources and will of the opponent must be eliminated.

Until these clear objectives are met, NO war can ever be won.

The present situation in Afghanistan is clear evidence of the folly of prosecuting a war without these objectives in mind.

irongrampa on March 11, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Preface: I AM NOT CONDONING WHAT THE SOLDIER DID IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

The soldier will probably get the death penalty or life in prison for what Obama does with a drone.

Resist We Much on March 11, 2012 at 1:10 PM

So we are the daily kos now?

Rusty Allen on March 11, 2012 at 1:11 PM

So, let me get this straight. An Afghan can walk to a checkpoint and blow up 5 or 6 of our guys and nobody cares, but if one of our boys goes off then it is headline news. I guess he took it to heart that you go to war to kill and break things, not stand around and watch your brothers die in the hands of bottom feeding 13th century con men.

nwpammy on March 11, 2012 at 1:11 PM

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