WW2 vet fails voter ID test in Ohio
posted at 9:15 am on March 7, 2012 by Jazz Shaw
We always knew that once new voter ID laws were in place, some people were going to fail to qualify at their polling place and a predictable amount of sturm und drang would result. Well, it’s already taken place in Ohio on Super Tuesday. Had it been some person who lacked an ID card because he’d just gotten out of jail and had a long time to wait until his seventeen DWI suspensions cleared, he wouldn’t provide a very sympathetic case for opponents to trumpet. Unfortunately, the situation of Paul Carroll paints a very different media narrative.
AURORA, Ohio – A Portage County World War II veteran was turned away from a polling place this morning because his driver’s license had expired in January and his new Veterans Affairs ID did not include his home address.
“My beef is that I had to pay a driver to take me up there because I don’t walk so well and have to use this cane and now I can’t even vote,” said Paul Carroll, 86, who has lived in Aurora nearly 40 years, running his own business, Carroll Tire, until 1975.
“I had to stop driving, but I got the photo ID from the Veterans Affairs instead, just a month or so ago. You would think that would count for something. I went to war for this country, but now I can’t vote in this country.”
It doesn’t get much worse than this in terms of the MSM narrative. The guy isn’t just a law abiding senior citizen, but he’s a veteran of the second world war to boot. With a cane. And he had an ID card provided by Veterans Affairs. This is a dream come true for progressive opponents of voter ID laws to jump on for an end zone dance, and it’s already started.
Yes, Mr. Carroll could have filled out a provisional ballot, and he was offered one at his polling place. But – again – he provides the perfect response, saying the print was too small and he’d forgotten his glasses and wasn’t sure if they counted the provisional ballots anyway.
This case should be instructive for everyone, no matter which side of the debate you come down on. When enacting voter ID laws, there need to be a few basic hurdles which all of them should pass. If you’re going to accept any existing forms of ID above and beyond a drivers license, identify all of them out there and work to make sure they will pass muster before enacting the law. But even that won’t be enough in some instances. One suggestion I just heard recently was to make an offer of a free, valid photo ID part of the voter registration process. If the person doesn’t choose to take one, make them initial something on the registration form acknowledging that they passed on the chance. This would also remove the entire “poll tax” question from the process.
And finally, each state doing this should be working with other state and federal agencies to come up with some sort of minimum amount of information which will be displayed on the document. (This could apply to universities as well.) If the Veterans Administration had included a home address on their cards, today’s kerfuffle never would have happened. All of this adds up to one driving imperative, though. Before you can cleanly put laws like this in place, a lot of planning is required. Hopefully other states will learn from Ohio’s stumble.
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It’s like Syphilis, hard to shake, but it can’t function as it is.
This is called a stepping stone, Sebelius.
I mean to say, you are called a stepping stone.
Axe on February 5, 2013 at 2:26 PM
On the topic of the gosh horrible bho/team, it seems that this lying slug slime bho is going to visit Israel? I bet Bibi is just all a twitter with this news? I don’t know how Bibi can be nice to bho, he would/is stabbing Israel in the back at everything he says/does?
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/02/obama-plans-spring-trip-to-israel-156162.html
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letget on February 5, 2013 at 2:26 PM
I hate these people.
CTSherman on February 5, 2013 at 2:27 PM
Well, I do enjoy a good laugh. These days I find myself getting them where I can. ; )
Bmore on February 5, 2013 at 2:28 PM
Come to the Dark Side, we have cookies!
D-fusit on February 5, 2013 at 2:30 PM
Someone please photoshop Kathleen Sebelius, Borg Queen.
Dexter_Alarius on February 5, 2013 at 2:33 PM
Please please PLEASE do not give me mental images of her as “42 of D”.
MelonCollie on February 5, 2013 at 2:35 PM
True, that. And conceding to debate with the government the status and limits of your unalienable rights in a government court is an admission your rights are violable.
It’s disappointing the Bill of Rights was not put in it’s proper place in the Constitution, that is, as a Preamble, but the Founders would never have expected it to come to this.
Dusty on February 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM
This is why, no matter how sad and soul crushing it was, I shilled for Romney and took a LOT of crap here after by some people for it.
Once socialism gets its foot in the door and some of the more lazy and mentally weak get a taste of dependency and the ease giving up allows, it is near to impossible to get it back out the door.
This is only the beginning of a lot of fights/stupidity that may not have happened – exhibit #1 Secretary of State John Kerry.
Oh well.
kim roy on February 5, 2013 at 2:38 PM
We are the Borg.
Prepare to be assimilated.
schmuck281 on February 5, 2013 at 2:38 PM
You know what’s even tougher to defeat? Fiscal reality.
We can’t keep spending trillions more dollars than we take in every year, nor can we continue to invite the world’s poor to take up residence here and stick us with the bill for their education, health care, housing, food, etc.
At some point — and we are rapidly approaching that point — this whole Ponzi scheme implodes.
AZCoyote on February 5, 2013 at 2:40 PM
Really, Kathy? It is the law of the land and we have to just obey it? Like you allowed your personal friend and campaign contributor 3rd trimester abortionist George Tiller to do illegal abortions in Kansas, obstructed investigations into his illegal ventures, going so far as to shred papers involved with the investigation? Like that?
cptacek on February 5, 2013 at 2:40 PM
Spit. You are the reason I won’t vote for Brownback for Governor again, no matter how well he has done/is doing. I won’t vote for Pat Roberts again for anything either. They voted to confirm you as HHS Secretary, and for that, will never get my vote again.
cptacek on February 5, 2013 at 2:42 PM
Maybe I can be a little optimistic – when federal government stooges have to make these pronouncements, could that portend trouble in Washington?
22044 on February 5, 2013 at 2:43 PM
From who or what? Rand Paul and the handful of R’s who have a spine?
MelonCollie on February 5, 2013 at 2:44 PM
F8ck off!
Sincerely, TEXAS.
annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2013 at 2:47 PM
It won’t come from Washington, but it might come to Washington.
25 governors do have a spine and will fight. But they have to be supported.
And there are lawsuits to exempt Obamacare from violating freedom of religion. If you believe in prayer, pray that those will end favorably for the plaintiffs.
22044 on February 5, 2013 at 2:51 PM
Another in a long line of disappointing Republicans. I thought Kasich would have had more backbone than this. Ugh.
lynncgb on February 5, 2013 at 2:53 PM
i always thought the refusal of the medicaid expansion was shaky. 2After all, all Fed taxpayers pay for the expansion in those states that accept it (the Blue states) therefore implicitly shifting tax from Red to Blue.
The Left is uninterested in fiscal or economic matters and supremely interested in running a country their way. Hugo pretty much destroyed the oil industry to pass out free stuff to the populace. Argentina is once again on shaky ground.
So 2 percent gdp growth is fine, 8 percent UE is fine, 1T annual deficit is fine. That’s who the Left is. Like Michael Moore say…we Have the Money (that would be the money in your 401K and pension fund)
and honestly, most people through out the world are okay will that…or at least they will not be voting in Free Market pols in anytime soon
r keller on February 5, 2013 at 2:53 PM
Ohhhh-kay. I got you now.
MelonCollie on February 5, 2013 at 2:54 PM
As long as people keep believing that and repeating it then it will be so.
Our biggest obstacle to being free again is actually believing we can be free again.
It’s not that difficult. We don’t need to repeal it. Just pass an amendment to fix it by simple majority. The “ObamaCare Amendment Act” or whatever you want to call it. Rip the guts out of it.
No.. the solutions are easy. The courage to stand is what is lacking.
I know a lot of people are demoralized and I also think a lot of people feel like their supposed to be demoralized because so many others are telling them “everybody is demoralized.” It’s becoming a self fulfilling prophecy.
60,000,000 people voted for Romney and against Obama. Obama had millions of fewer voters in 2012 than he did in 2008. America is not in love with Obama. He is losing support. America is split down the middle. Yes, of course, he won the election, and that was big. But he did not win the hearts and mind of all of America. The country is split. Those are the facts.
JellyToast on February 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Well, all we Buckeyes can do is call Gov. Kaisich and our state reps. Not e-mail, but Call, write and show up. Raise hell.
The_Livewire on February 5, 2013 at 2:57 PM
With this, I bet Kasich gets buried. He and the GOP legislature so phucked up SB 5 that half the state hates him. And with this he punched the other half in the stomach and said, “I’m rolling with your liberal opponents.”
BuckeyeSam on February 5, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Like THAT will work. Kasich was neutered when SB 5 crashed and burned at the hands of Oiho’s public unions and Bill Cunningham. He’s just flailing away at this point.
Myron Falwell on February 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM
If you’re in Ohio, get involved with AFP-Ohio.
22044 on February 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM
So basically, she just told the states how to kill Obamacare, yet folks like John Kasich said don’t worry, we’ll help you keep it alive.
xblade on February 5, 2013 at 3:04 PM
ObamaCare is the greatest gift the Conservative cause has received since Ronald Reagan.
The fact is … once O-Care kicks in government spending will escalate like it’s on steroids. Which means … the debt will escalate also.
On top of that, they won’t be able to deliver what they’ve promised to their base.
That fact will cause them to TAX Americans even more to pay for it … but it won’t work.
It won’t work – because Americans won’t stand for it – not the producers anyway. They will walk the f*ck off the job.
Hey, we apparently can’t “sell” conservatism – so why gain converts by simply letting the other side see what happens when they get their way?
HondaV65 on February 5, 2013 at 3:16 PM
had an interesting visit with my Dr yesterday. still waiting for her to call me back and let me know whether or not I am permitted to have access to a particular diagnostic. it seems that I may not be in a particular demographic for access to it. meanwhile I can just suffer at 9 and 10 level pain.
Keep voting democrat you reprobate imbeciles!
tom daschle concerned on February 5, 2013 at 3:18 PM
Don’t look at me. I supported the other guy.
antisocial on February 5, 2013 at 3:19 PM
Obama: The Constitution is the law of the land, so you might as well help us ignore it.
The Rogue Tomato on February 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM
Nope, we didn’t like it before it was rammed thru, and we still don’t like it. Obamacare will implode before it works.
Amazingoly on February 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM
Exactly. The only risk is that the producers get MADE to produce. But then we’ll just have to side with them and leave the Democrats and their welfare-minority voters out in the cold, now won’t we? *evil grin*
MelonCollie on February 5, 2013 at 3:20 PM
Oh…. so we’re supposed to obey the law of the land. You mean like annual budgets and such, no doubt.
ghostwalker1 on February 5, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Oh…. so we’re supposed to obey the law of the land. You mean like annual budgets and such, no doubt.
ghostwalker1 on February 5, 2013 at 3:23 PM
gosh. you are so right. if the republicans could have found a camera and a mic and said just that. Mr. president it is the law of the land to produce an annual budget, so you might as well do it.
alternatively, I’d like to hear someone tell Frau Sebelius “what difference does it make!”
tom daschle concerned on February 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM
Bull! You crammed it down our throats . . . now you implement it.
rplat on February 5, 2013 at 3:33 PM
Hi Obama voter! Are you enjoying all this new socialism? The next four years should be a socialism bonanza. Isn’t that exciting??
I bet you are excited to see John Kerry as the SOS. WOOT!
And you silly goose – you think the weak and stupid are going to easily give up their bennies because “the taxpayers” are going to be irritated? Awww. Bless your heart.
Sure, that might happen, but probably not in your lifetime. Isn’t that great! You’ll get to watch creeping (or maybe not so creeping depending on whether the moochers take over) socialism.
It’s an exciting time, isn’t it Obama voter?
kim roy on February 5, 2013 at 3:37 PM
People like John Kasich are just proof that there’s no such thing as a principled politician. I find myself ashamed of so many Republicans today.. governors who can be bought with federal tax dollars, Senators who are inexplicably willing to arm our enemies. They stand for nothing but their own ambitions.
Yeah, Kasich might have a hard go of it for reelection. He might have lost his job. Might STILL lose his job, despite his roll over. But at the very least, he’d have left office a principled man.
Murf76 on February 5, 2013 at 3:42 PM
+
cptacek on February 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM
As a believer in freedom all this motivates me to do is to fight harder. Resist more. Continue to place stumbling blocks in front of this socialist bureaucracy to help speed up it’s falling apart. As Citizens we must refuse to participate in this system. I don’t plan on getting involved in Obamacare. Those things I can’t take care of myself, I’ll find doctors who accept cash. I’ll continue to encourage my state legislators to not implement this on the local level. I’ll continue to encourage my federal representatives to deny funding and strive to overturn this monstrosity.
I will not assimilate.
RAN58 on February 5, 2013 at 3:45 PM
The one thing I keep telling myself (pretty much every day at this point,) is that we may have lost the election on quantity, but we damn sure didn’t lose on quality. Just look at most of the people on our side: Patriots, hard-workers, self-sufficient types, the military (both active and ex,) believers in our country and our Constitution, and the higher information voters. Who do they have? American haters, the permanently aggrieved, the entitlement class, the 99 percenters, Hollywood, Academia, limousine liberals, low information nitwits and malcontents of most every stripe and flavor. Remove us from the mix and it would be ‘Lord of the Flies’ before the next Presidential election.
CaptFlood on February 5, 2013 at 3:53 PM
apparently Kathleen doesn’t remember the townhall meetings prior to obamacare. the help you get implementing socialist healthcare will be equal to the # of GOP votes the bill received.
burserker on February 5, 2013 at 3:54 PM
I said that, not JFKY.
Hispanics are an ethnicity, not a race. 90% are counted as white.
Maybe Hispanics will become a race in the future (which would be kind of Orwellian), but at the moment most of them are regarded as white.
Gelsomina on February 5, 2013 at 3:59 PM
What if we’re all DEFIANT, and throw up as much resistance as we can, Madam Secretary?
listens2glenn on February 5, 2013 at 4:19 PM
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….. Against all the resistance we can bring to bear against you, Madam Secretary.
listens2glenn on February 5, 2013 at 4:22 PM
Talk is cheap; this is where the rubber hits the road.
Remember the names of the statist bootlickers.
thirtyandseven on February 5, 2013 at 4:43 PM
I guess Sebelius is not a fan of Ghandi.
I’ll be damned if I will try to make it easier for the government to implement laws I think are unjust, unconstitutional, and oppressive. Much less “help” the government implement them.
On the contrary, I will do everything I can to undermine them and circumvent them — within the law, of course.
farsighted on February 5, 2013 at 4:50 PM
Congressman are all exempted, is that legal?
There are over a thousand exemptions including many unions, is that legal?
The double standard which is denied by politicians, is that legal?
WTF.
mixplix on February 5, 2013 at 5:00 PM
You freaking pathetic ass cowardly leftist progressives really annoy me. Own it!
Bmore on February 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM
Of course Single Payer has been the plan all along. I hope you freaking starve!
Bmore on February 5, 2013 at 5:05 PM
Just where do these idjits who are “coming on board” for Obamacare think the government gets the money it’s bribing them with? The Magic Money Tree?
HotAirian on February 5, 2013 at 5:06 PM
Hey, b1tch – the Constitution is the law of the land as well – call me when YOU and your boss decide to abide by it, then we’ll talk. Until then, go straight to hell.
Midas on February 5, 2013 at 5:20 PM
Well said and on-target.
Midas, you sum up how I think of that fugly dictatress and her empty-headed boss.
onlineanalyst on February 5, 2013 at 5:27 PM
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/01/unraveling-the-mystery-behind-chief-justice-roberts-sudden-switch-to-rule-in-favor-of-obamacare-2488814.html
Maybe this is why obamacare is the law of the land.Because Roberts was blackmailed.Seems Roberts basically bought his kids,kinda frowned on,regime found out, now we have Obamacare.
rodguy911 on February 5, 2013 at 5:30 PM
So’s border control, you twit.
The states try to enforce that one and they get a federal lawsuit.
A government that selectively enforces the laws of the land is illegitimate.
MichaelGabriel on February 5, 2013 at 5:30 PM
How come the Obama administration doesn’t feel this way about immigration law?
JannyMae on February 5, 2013 at 5:40 PM
A woman apparently in search of a few good Vichy state governments.
M240H on February 5, 2013 at 5:53 PM
Which is why, in a nutshell, we have so few principled politicians.
Lily on February 5, 2013 at 5:56 PM
With this, Kasich’s reelection is effectively DOA. Get ready for a flaming Socialist in Ed Fitzgerald to take over as Ohio’s governor in 2014, whether we like it or not.
Myron Falwell on February 5, 2013 at 6:02 PM
She does look like a Darlak. The people of Kansas got rid of this POS. I will never forgive them for inflicting it on us. If this country goes t-ts up because of her, we won’t forget. Subversion of The Constitution is not treason, but it is a high crime or misdemeanor. I hope she has her villa in Costa Rica among all her despotic friends.
Old Country Boy on February 5, 2013 at 6:03 PM
What happened to their blinkin’ “Question Authority” mantra they pushed at us?
vityas on February 5, 2013 at 6:06 PM
Can’t any future President just grant waivers? Am I wrong on this? Wasn’t that a flaw in the law?
Just pass the “New Affordable Care Free Choice Act” that gives people the freedom to choose it or not..without penalties.. and watch it die. Pass it with a simple majority vote. You don’t need to repeal a thing. Happens all the time.
Dirty little secret about laws. None of the bad ones have to be repealed. Just pass a new one with a simple majority and that supersedes the old one.
JellyToast on February 5, 2013 at 6:11 PM
Sebelius is a corrupt person. I’m thinking she’s evil.
Lourdes on February 5, 2013 at 6:19 PM
In reality, what Sebelius is saying is:
“It’s a tax. You owe it. You will pay it one way or another.”
Lourdes on February 5, 2013 at 6:21 PM
Resist we much!
tim c on February 5, 2013 at 6:24 PM
Truly.
I’m trying to imagine the moment that exists between Priest and Mzz. Sebelius when she stands before the Priest expecting to receive the Host in Communion, and what the Priest is thinking.
I mean, truly, WHAT is he thinking when he allows her to participate? I can’t begin to imagine it, it’s just too foul an image.
Lourdes on February 5, 2013 at 6:25 PM
Thinking about it though, I’m reminded of something Thatcher said. To rip her off completely, if your enemy is telling you that you are defeated and should put your sword down — you aren’t.
Axe on February 5, 2013 at 6:30 PM
For Kathleen Sebelius sake, I hope there’s no hell. Sebelius has the distinction of being an alumnus of the same college as Nancy Pelosi, Trinity. It was a rich girls Catholic College when the hags attended. Now it caters to poor (mostly women) in the DC area.
bw222 on February 5, 2013 at 6:31 PM
The Law of the Land!
You mean, like the Hatch Act?
Another Drew on February 5, 2013 at 6:34 PM
Whenever the law moves in their favor, libs always want us to think it’s settled. I remember SC decisions about abortion years back and libs would spew “The Supreme Court settled the abortion issue” or something. That’s why when Boehner said after the election “ObamaCare is the law of the land” it is especially offensive.
but if you notice.. they never think the law is settled when it works against them. The Supreme Court upheld the 2nd Amendment just a year ago or so.. and it’s like it never happened.
That’s why they are winning right now. And that is why we are losing right now.
JellyToast on February 5, 2013 at 6:36 PM
Pretty much.
Like good little Leninists they have no ethics or morals beyond saying and doing whatever it takes to advance their agenda and achieve their goals. They have no principles other than that. Whatever helps get to where they want to go is good in and of itself if they can get away with it. They strive for “social justice” and that’s all that matters.
farsighted on February 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM
I feel the exact opposite. I hope she and all her other heretic cohorts burn in hell forever. They actively chose to go down the path of Satan, and show no signs of repentance.
No sympathy. No mercy.
Myron Falwell on February 5, 2013 at 6:48 PM
I know 5 year olds who do the same sort of thing. Its a special type of logic.
BobMbx on February 5, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Its easier than you think. Since waivers to ObamaCare seem to be on solid ground, try this…an EO granting automatic waivers to any who emails a waiver request to ACAWaiver@WH.gov.
Boom.
BobMbx on February 5, 2013 at 6:53 PM
Very wise.
Bmore on February 5, 2013 at 7:20 PM
The admin. has several nurses Ratched.
Schadenfreude on February 5, 2013 at 7:23 PM
…Shut up…B!TCH!
KOOLAID2 on February 5, 2013 at 7:25 PM
How Do We Get Rid Of Obamacare? Nullify It!
We are Americans. We are resourceful. When doors are slammed in our faces, we find another way. Since five (5) lawless judges on the U.S. supreme Court betrayed us by failing to declare the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (“obamacare”) unconstitutional; since we may be stuck with obama for four more years; 1 and since a democrat-controlled U.S. Senate will not repeal obama
caretax, we must find another way.There is another way. Here it is, and it comes from Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence.
Nullification Resolutions for State Legislatures:
Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/how-do-we-get-rid-of-obamacare-nullify-it/#ixzz2K4fo7npr
Green eyed Lady on February 5, 2013 at 7:32 PM
.
I’m sure that’s the first thought that came into everyone’s mind, upon reading the headline.
listens2glenn on February 5, 2013 at 7:35 PM
…he’s like our Boneless Baby Speaker…he needs to hunt up some Republican women…and find some ba11s!
KOOLAID2 on February 5, 2013 at 7:36 PM
Sebelius: ObamaCare is the law of the land, so you might as well help us implement it
.
…Shut up…B!TCH!
Yes it is.
I’m getting to the point where I want to cheer on the . .
dare I say . . . Nope can’t do it.
Texyank on February 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM
In reality, how many of us can they imprison if we refuse?
Ain’t no way. They can threaten. We can tie them up in courts forever.
It takes guts. But it can be done.
Cody1991 on February 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM
:))
How about religious grounds? We can all be Amish or Muslims. Whatever it takes.
We tossed tea into a harbor facing the greatest military at that time. Why can’t we toss O’Care where it belongs….. the sewer.
Cody1991 on February 5, 2013 at 7:58 PM
The only problem with that strategy is the progressives will blame capitalism for the collapse, and at last take the mask off and say….”Hey lets give some good old fashion communism a try!”
This whole progressive movement is based on their hope that things will reach a point were people are so weak, dependent and desperate that they will choose full bore communism. The ObamaCare plan was never meant to work, it was designed to fail but not after destroying the system that came before it thus allowing the progressives to push for single payer, completely government run health care. The same goes for our economy, our freedoms, our life, etc. This has a purpose and is part of their idiotic plan.
Now does that mean they will succeed when things start going south? Maybe yes…maybe no. Thankfully progressives are rather inept in this country. It is all going to depend if conservatives have done the ground work and have the organization to make sure when things do go south that they are ready to take advantage of it. Hopefully several states like Illinois and California will go south first, before the country as a whole, giving the people enough warning signs to be swayed. Hopefully Conservatives & Libertarians have learned how to play dirty and get into the gutter to take advantage of the breakup of the Obama Coalition that is bound to happen at some point (Hispanics for example, willing to make side deals that are cheaper than the alternative in the long run). Hopefully Conservatives and Libertarians have figured out a way to live together to beat a common enemy, and also have a functioning political party that is big enough for both to live under.
Things like that. Everyone needs allies and you cannot have that in a ideologically pure coalition. You just need to agree enough that progressives and everything they stand for is madness. Right now most Americans, including some Republican elites have yet to figure that out.
William Eaton on February 5, 2013 at 8:05 PM
STUCK WITH IT?
It will collaspe of it’s own weight, if states don’t set up exchanges, the Fed’s will have to, and they can’t. Even if they could, subsidies are only available to state run exchanges, so it’s meaningless anyway – fail.
Everyone is upset that Roberts let the mandate survive as a tax, but remember it can only be considered a tax (on not buying insurance), if it is cheaper to pay the tax then it is to comply with the mandate Otherwise it’s not a choice, it’s forcing citizens to engage in commerce, Roberts didn’t go along with that. Plenty of people will not follow the mandate, they may or may not pay the tax (let’s see how the bumblers are at enforcement), but in any case they will get insurance if and when they need it, which will kill the system.
As I said, it will collaspe of it’s own weight. The problem is that for the liberals that a feature, not a bug. When it doesn’t work, they won’t want to scrap it, they will want to fix it – can you say “single payer”?
HoosierHawk on February 5, 2013 at 8:27 PM
I celebrated when Brewer said AZ would not participate. Am really peeved that she caved. Darn fool!
AZfederalist on February 5, 2013 at 8:37 PM
Was listening to Rush today….he said that the reason they hired all those new IRS employees is to make SURE that you pay your fine (TAX) via ANOTHER payroll deduction. There is no way they aren’t going to collect…sadly :(
This feels hopeless.
redlucy on February 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM
Well, Katie; You and Baraka can kiss my @$$.
I ain’t playing, even if it means jail or a hail of Federal Goon bullets.
LegendHasIt on February 5, 2013 at 8:47 PM
Gee thanks, John Roberts!!
socialist tool
james23 on February 5, 2013 at 8:50 PM
Oh, for Christ’s sake. Just tell the bastards that Pelosi passed the phucking law without reading it so why should anyone else know what’s going on? That beotch was the damned Speaker of the House at the time!
This whole thing is a massive clusterphuck.
The hell with these creeps. Do you really think they have the means or desire to come after every person in this country?
They can’t keep illegals out or incarcerate the criminals.
Since that shithead Roberts, yeah the “Chief Justice” declared it a “tax” …… big deal. And I mean it.
I say, “Just say, NO!”
Phuck with their minds as long as you can.
In the end, they can’t cope.
Cody1991 on February 5, 2013 at 9:14 PM
I seem to remember a politician long ago saying that if rape is inevitable, you should just lay back and enjoy it. Is this the lesson of Uncle Sugar government now?
john1schn on February 5, 2013 at 9:40 PM
L.I.B.
These crooks in both parties are eyeing the big money not only available through this massive form of insurance fraud and illegal taxation, but also 401Ks and state pension funds.
Dr. ZhivBlago on February 5, 2013 at 9:49 PM
Sorry, but I have to agree with redlucy. The best we can get will be political prisoners for tax evasion. Worst cast is incarceration for religious persecution.
A whole freaking generation has been raised to hate America and all that is in it. A whole generation has been taught to accept all the free bennies they can get their hands on with no thought of how they get them (and will predictably blame the people out of power once the well inevitably runs dry.
No, when the Socialists want is not only to control, but to purify the populace. That’s why they are so gung-ho over free birth control and gun confiscation. They want to destroy everything in this country and to remake it all under their own image, one in which they are the Gods on earth and we are the compliant subjects. That’s why Obamacare was set up to fail… it will become another British National Health Service where the government controls all aspects of an individual’s life.
And you know what? It’s working. And we will not be able to stop it. The twilight of humanity is nigh.
Myron Falwell on February 5, 2013 at 9:50 PM
To clarify, we can try to protest or refuse to comply, but it will have no discernible effect or will stop any of this. We would be lucky getting thrown into jail for tax evasion. Religious leaders and bishop WILL get thrown in jail due to religious persecution, and that will fall on deaf ears among the majority who have willingly decided to adopt a hedonist lifestyle.
It’s pretty much game over. It’s all in how we die… by the electric chair or by a firing squad.
Myron Falwell on February 5, 2013 at 10:02 PM
Don’t be so cheerful Myron.
LegendHasIt on February 5, 2013 at 10:08 PM
where the sun don’t shine
how ’bout them apples Madame Secretary?
RWM, or the former saying, just sayin’
Has anyone ever asked about balanced cuts?
Unserious.
Face it folks. they are playing with our monies.
Rising to a problem.
Eleventy.
mickytx on February 5, 2013 at 10:09 PM
You’re lucky. I was restraining myself.
Myron Falwell on February 5, 2013 at 10:14 PM
Yeah. Don’t look at me either. I voted for the cute guys. ;)
totherightofthem on February 5, 2013 at 10:14 PM
Throw a shoe at this winch!
Bmore on February 5, 2013 at 10:51 PM
Obamacare has already screwed me, and my family,… I have been on Medicare for one year, and they paid for my medications, minus a nominal one dollar fee per med.. and I’m on 7. As of Jan. 1st,.. suddenly the price of my meds shot off the scale.. from less than ten dollars to hundreds..
I’m on disability, 53, with a wife and two school age children, and my SSD pension is a mere 2154 a month with the addition of my children, without, it’s 1450.. we live modestly within our means, never buy on credit, and work to balance our budget, cutting where we can..
after no answers as to why.. a month late, a letter from Medicare..
You no longer qualify for reduced prescription rates, and no explanation as to why.. they did however mention I should seek supplemental insurance.. and with that, I get a letter from AARP telling me, I’m already a member and MUST make monthly payments to them for my additional insurance… they included a payment book and mailing pre-addressed envelopes.. First I have NEVER talked to AARP, NEVER asked to be covered by them, and have recieved no notice by Medicare that they enrolled me without my consent.. My lawyer tells me, it’s a scam.. AARP telling seniors they are already a member, when they aren’t and conning them into thinking they are obligated to pay them for something they never asked for or wanted.. A second reading shows he’s right, they very carefully parse their words, calling it a “coupon” book,.. but it’s clearly not, it’s the same paybook banks give out.. AARP also tells me4, I owe them for back amounts paid out for my meds, which neither they or my pharmacist ever mentioned to me before, the tell me, they submitted it to Medicare ONLY….. which also runs into a couple of grand..
My attorney told me, much to my pleasure, if you never consented to a contract with a private company.. they can go F themselves.. you owe them nothing..
I’m signing up with AMAC this month, and am firing off a letter to AARP to never contact me again.. as they were paid shills for Obama, they can eat scchit.
That is what Obamacare has done for me..
I expected that I’d have to give something as all Americans should pay something, even if it’s a nominal amount just so we have some responsibility the same as we expect of others..
I’ angry at Kasich for caving, and intend to crusade in every doctors waiting room, I see a lot, to make folks see just who is screwing them.. That “free” is anything but.. that the liar in chief, has once again, screwed the weakest, and the media will never report that he did. So far, nearly every doctors staff has agreed with me, and Obamacare is going to devastate healthcare in this country when it fully kicks in next year.
Just what those with chronic medical issues need, Obama you jerk.. Maybe I should just take a pill like you suggested the disabled do in 08…
oh wait..
you are taking that away from us too… sorry to disappoint you Obama, but my family needs me, and I don’t have a gas oven to meekly go away for you with….
If there is any justice, your later years will be full of pain, misery, and the humility of knowing that there is nothing you can do when a bureaucrat decides he knows better than you.. I don’t wish you my pain.. but Karma is not my domain..
mark81150 on February 5, 2013 at 11:00 PM
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