School apologizes for its “racist” chant of … “USA! USA! USA!”

posted at 6:00 pm on March 7, 2012 by Tina Korbe

After a high school boys basketball championship game last weekend, a handful of Texas high school kids chanted “USA! USA! USA!” to celebrate their school’s win. Trouble is, the losing team interpreted the cheer as a … racist chant. KENS 5 of San Antonio reports:

Two possibilities (and I’m giving the complainants every possible benefit of the doubt here):

  1. We don’t know what precipitated the chant. Maybe the kids who took up the cry were particularly in-your-face about it. Maybe, the chanters really did intend the refrain to imply their competitors aren’t U.S. citizens — and to imply that they, as U.S. citizens (I’m assuming they are because they chanted “USA!” — not because they’re white), are superior to non-U.S. citizens. (Whether any or all of the players on either or both sides are U.S. citizens isn’t clear from the report.) Still, that’s not exactly racist. It’s poor sportsmanship with a side of nationalism.
  2. Maybe the kids were just excited at the victory and the excitement overflowed into an expression of patriotism. As a Texas high school boys basketball team isn’t exactly the national basketball team, it’s not as though the chant makes literal sense — but it’s far more plausible to think the high schoolers were chanting it as a way to build themselves up than to believe they were chanting it as a way to tear their opponents down.

Again, “USA” signifies a nation, not a race. A nationalist chant might imply the nation is exceptional, but it doesn’t imply any particular race is exceptional. It’s important to use the proper vocabulary here; too much confusion as to what constitutes racism already exists.


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Read the comments on the local TV stations’ website reporting the story: apparently the chant was in retaliation for the OTHER team chanting “ALAMO WHITES ALAMO WHITES”, mocking the Alamo team for being made up of (apparently) Anglo-looking white students, as opposed to the largely Hispanic makeup of the aggrieved team. Kind of funny it was whites at “Alamo” who defeated Hispanics in “battle” ;)

babygiraffe on March 7, 2012 at 6:57 PM

So the other team can shout Alamo Whites with no problem but a counter of USA is racist?

Exactly who is the racist here? It’s not the team that shouted USA.

darwin on March 7, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 6:40 PM

A typical libtard comment from an Austin hippie d-bag type.

catmman on March 7, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Meanwhile…..the DOTUS is staying busy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/07/usa-russia-missiledefense-idUSL2E8E6EL920120307

(Reuters) – The Obama administration disclosed on Tuesday that it is considering sharing some classified U.S. data as part of an effort to allay Russian concerns about a controversial antimissile shield.

“We’re making no progress” in persuading Russia to drop its opposition, despite the willingness to consider sharing certain sensitive data, he added.

The Obama administration is pursuing this cooperation because it would be in the security interests of the United States, NATO and Russia by strengthening the defensive capabilities of both NATO and Russia, Roberts said.

Under any such agreement, NATO would be responsible for the defense of its member states and Russia would be responsible for the defense of Russia, Roberts added in written testimony.

Army Lieutenant General Patrick O’Reilly, the head of the Pentagon’s Missile Defense Agency, said he had no knowledge of any move to share with Moscow any classified information on the U.S. technology used to knock out target missiles.

“I never received a request to release classified information to the Russians,” he told the panel, testifying alongside Roberts.

Tonight Russian Generals licking their chops (and this after the announcement a few weeks ago that the U.S. was going ahead and UNILATERALLY DISARM 80% of it’s nuclear warheads) saying “USA, USA, USA”…….and the other thing they are chanting?

“OHH BAHWMA 2012″, “OHH BAHWMA 2012″, “OHH BAHWMA 2012″

PappyD61 on March 7, 2012 at 7:07 PM

When I hear and see things like this, I always wonder how past generations would respond.
This stuff goes on precisely because we don’t respond to it the way our grandfathers and grandmothers would have.

My dad fought in WWII. He died many years ago. He was shocked and outraged enough with what he did live to see… this would absolutely stun him. I think he’d say and feel something like we do not deserve the freedom we have. We are not worthy of the flag they fought for. It has all been lost.

JellyToast on March 7, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Maybe Obama can call then to make it all better .

logman1 on March 7, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Exactly.

netster007x on March 7, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Ugh! I live in Austin. The “USA” chants are totally inappropriate in this context, and clearly racist, IMO.

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 6:40 PM

There’s a reason Austin is called Berkeley on the Brazos and the above commenter is one of those reasons.

TxAnn56 on March 7, 2012 at 7:08 PM

I prefer the USA!USA!USA! chants be saved for moments like this. If the other team indeed chanted “Alamo whites! and these kids responded with USA!USA! in an attempt to point out that both teams are American, then I get it. Better not to retaliate, IMO.

Christien on March 7, 2012 at 7:08 PM

There’s a reason Austin is called Berkeley on the Brazos and the above commenter is one of those reasons.

TxAnn56 on March 7, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Whenever we want a good laugh, we just take a trip up the road to Austin and hang around for a few hours. Hilarious.

I was stationed in Austin as my first duty station in the Air Force back in 1988, was stationed there for three years. I don’t remember it being this bad back then.

We always loved Austin. Entertained moving back and living there on day. We no longer have those thoughts.

catmman on March 7, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Racist? Oh please.

The thing is a lot of those kids are almost certainly illegal, especially given SA’s location. And yet they are still gifted a free education by the taxpayers of Texas – there is no requirement to prove citizenship at all. Illegals generally speaking do not pay more than sales tax and sometimes not even that.

So maybe they were taunting the illegals.

Shouting USA is not the equivalent of shouting ‘N*****’ unless you’re wired up wrong. And if you and your family have chosen to deliberately break federal law and live off the backs of others, well…tensions will and do arise.

There is resentment in Texas about illegal immigration, and it is entirely understandable when you look at what it costs in terms of insurance, health care, property taxes, law enforcement, education and the list goes on and on.

CorporatePiggy on March 7, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Its hard to say anything that doesn’t have an expletive in it.

Again, we have a large segment of people in this country who have no love, or allegiance, or desire, to be citizens of American except as it may benefit them.

Those cannot be immigrants and they can’t be who our 14th amendment meant to enjoy natural born status.

Speakup on March 7, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Does everyone here agree that if I shout “USA! USA!” at every person I see who is non-white (implying that they are not American because of the color of their skin), that is racist? Not because loving America is racist, which it isn’t, but because accusing someone of being a non-citizen due to their race is.

I’m not saying that’s what happened here, but surely such a chant can be racist in a context like that. The people who are making the accusations are making it sound like that was the context. It’s hard to tell if that’s the case, and either way it sounds like the other school was also behaving inappropriately.

tneloms on March 7, 2012 at 7:25 PM

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MooCow…out.

MooCowBang on March 7, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Save it for times like these.

And, especially, for times like these.

Christien on March 7, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Members of the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team unavailable for comment…

Moose Drool on March 7, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Mexican American ,

Don’t like to wake up

In the morning

And when they do it, they do it real slowwww

Sonosam on March 7, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Has Obama bowed to them yet?

Has he called the non-USA anyone yet?

What has it taught his kids? That the end is nigh.

May the lefties be first in line.

Schadenfreude on March 7, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Mexican American

They go to night school

And take Spanish, and get a beeeeerr

Sonosam on March 7, 2012 at 7:39 PM

There’s a reason Austin is called Berkeley on the Brazos and the above commenter is one of those reasons.

TxAnn56 on March 7, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Berkeley ?
I wonder how many people remember that immediately after 9/11 happened,
the City of Berkeley banned the display of our flag, even by the fire-trucks ,
so as not to offend the ” diverse” population of their city.
After it started getting uneasy for the city officials to defend their dictat, they started a campaign to call everyone who questioned them , a liar, and the local media complied.

burrata on March 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM

MooCowBang on March 7, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Cow, yer killin’ me. Seriously!

BigAlSouth on March 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

I’m not saying that’s what happened here,

tneloms on March 7, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Yes you are. FO.

CW on March 7, 2012 at 7:57 PM

maybe they are all just big Hacksaw Jim Duggan fans

Daveyardbird on March 7, 2012 at 6:15 PM

That’s awesome!!

LevinFan on March 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

I believe they chanted “USA” meaning “U Suck Ass”. That what’s I did at my high school and it was absolutely hilarious. No way it’s “racist”.

Jigglz on March 7, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Whenever we want a good laugh, we just take a trip up the road to Austin and hang around for a few hours. Hilarious.

I was stationed in Austin as my first duty station in the Air Force back in 1988, was stationed there for three years. I don’t remember it being this bad back then.

We always loved Austin. Entertained moving back and living there on day. We no longer have those thoughts.

I’ve lived in Austin since ’92. While the center is very liberal, the growth outside the city center tends to be more conservative/libertarian. Like the rest of Texas, it has become more Republican over the past couple decades.

That said, it has lost some of the small town charm that used to exist and it is more of a city now.

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 8:08 PM

I always knew the Olympics were fundamentally a racist event! During the opening ceremonies they should mix up all the athletes…and do it in a fair way where everyone gets a medal.

NickelAndDime on March 7, 2012 at 8:09 PM

In modern America, you can burn the flag, that’s OK but if you wave the flag that is nativist, racist, insensitive, jingoistic etc. etc./s

KW64 on March 7, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Wait…They were playing a team also from the USA.

So.. despite the other school being ‘mostly hispanic’ were ANY of them citizens of the United States, or legal immigrants?

Not that that matters, because even if they were playing a Team from across the border or across the ocean, there is nothing racist about cheering for your country.

As it is; if the other school had any class or or the slightest bit of patriotism for the nation where their school sits and American taxpayers pay for it, they would have joined in the cheer.

Now, if they were cheering “greasers suck” or “wetbacks get out”, or something like that, there would be cause for censure and punishment.

Me; I’m cheering for the Comets.

The 2012 Comets of Death. This world no longer deserves to survive.

LegendHasIt on March 7, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I heard about this on the radio today, I live in San Antonio. The local hosts were calling the chants racist and indefensible. Why? San Antonio is nearly 70% Hispanic.

I guess its OK to raise the Mexican flag over your school, celebrate Mexican holidays and teach non-language classes in Spanish, but chanting USA is racist? Maybe if we do it in Spanish it would be accepted.

Ooh-Essay-Ah!
Ooh-Essay-Ah!
Ooh-Essay-Ah!

TheLoudTalker on March 7, 2012 at 8:26 PM

It’s also a huge military town.

2nd Ammendment Mother on March 7, 2012 at 8:27 PM

This is a sad thread…

The students have only been chanting “USA” against predominantly hispanic schools. This proves that it is a racially motivated chant – not a chant of nationalism.

I would be pissed and regard it as unambiguously racist if someone taunted me by implying I was less American than they because of my ethnicity.

If someone chants “USA”, I will generally join them. But if they chanted it at me in a racially motivated way to imply I’m not a real American because of my ethnicity, I’d punch them in them mouth.

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Ugh! I live in Austin. The “USA” chants are totally inappropriate in this context, and clearly racist, IMO.

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 6:40 PM

There’s a reason Austin is called Berkeley on the Brazos and the above commenter is one of those reasons.

Chameleon, you are clearly clueless if you think that’s racist. You just may try to educate yourself on what race is, before putting your ignorance on display. Your comment is quite possibly one of the dumbest things ever written.

av8tr on March 7, 2012 at 8:31 PM

I wish the press would cover the fact that the students were being called “Alamo Whites” (a play on the school Alamo Heights). How can a chant of USA be racist when America is a melting pot?

Maybe the effects of Dallas City Commissioner John Wiley Price and his offense at the term “black hole” has made it down interstate 35 to San Antonio.

As Herman Cain has said many times, “Stupid people are ruining this country!”

TheLoudTalker on March 7, 2012 at 8:32 PM

This is the world the first black president has brought us.
He said he would bring ppl together, yet he splits us apart.

angrymike on March 7, 2012 at 6:50 PM

He does it well too! In 3 years, I haven’t seen it this bad the previous 30.
When will will we hear:They acted stupidly?

KOOLAID2 on March 7, 2012 at 8:37 PM

How can a chant of USA be racist when America is a melting pot?

Because in this case the chant was intended to convey a message that some cheeses in the pot are more pure than others.

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 8:38 PM

And which race is it that lives in the USA again? Oh, all races.

Axion on March 7, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Because in this case the chant was intended to convey a message that some cheeses in the pot are more pure than others.

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Maybe some of them are criminals.

Just maybe.

CorporatePiggy on March 7, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Gee, I wish I wasn’t a pasty white male so that I could whine about racisim or gender discrimination at every damn silly thing.

LegendHasIt on March 7, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Maybe some of them are criminals.

Just maybe.

Maybe some of the posters on this board are criminals.

Are you fine with people implying you’re a criminal because you’re part of a group that may include criminals?

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 8:46 PM

….The students have only been chanting “USA” against predominantly hispanic schools……
Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 8:30 PM

And you know this for a fact, because????
……………………………

How many Hispanics attend the ‘Racist’ school?

Is it one that George Wallace managed to keep segregated, and we just now found out?

LegendHasIt on March 7, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Maybe some of them are criminals.

Just maybe.

Maybe some of the posters on this board are criminals.

Are you fine with people implying you’re a criminal because you’re part of a group that may include criminals?

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Lovely strawman.

Have you ever lived in a border state?

CorporatePiggy on March 7, 2012 at 8:55 PM

And you know this for a fact, because????

Because in 20 years of living here, and going to high school basketball games, I’ve never heard anyone chant, “USA” at a high school basketball game, and have only heard reports of students ever chanting it at a few games where predominantly white schools taunted predominantly hispanic schools with it.

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Oh, So you don’t know it for a fact.
Merely an ASSumption.

I guess you havent been around any kids that are patriotic.

LegendHasIt on March 7, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Ugh! I live in Austin. The “USA” chants are totally inappropriate in this context, and clearly racist, IMO.

Chameleon

And you, sir/madam, are clearly an idiot, a product of misguided education, a youth spent inside a High School locker for being a p*ssy and lacking any common sense.

Please, pray tell, explain how chanting “USA” “USA” is racist!

If you cannot, kindly STFU, and troll elsewhere. I am tired of pukes like you.

Gothguy on March 7, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Lovely strawman.

Have you ever lived in a border state?

I live in Texas…And I don’t see how it is a strawman, unless you agree with me that it is inappropriate for white Americans to taunt Hispanic Americans as being somehow less legitimate citizens of the USA. I apologize if I misunderstood you.

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 9:07 PM

The real racists are those who hate the chant of, “U-S-A.”

TitularHead on March 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Caving to racial political correctness at it’s wost.

Whats next, the national anthem is racist too?

Get a life people.

TX-96 on March 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM

And you, sir/madam, are clearly an idiot, a product of misguided education, a youth spent inside a High School locker for being a p*ssy and lacking any common sense.

Please, pray tell, explain how chanting “USA” “USA” is racist!

If you cannot, kindly STFU, and troll elsewhere. I am tired of pukes like you.

I love you too…And I cower in awe of your intellect, wit, and solid upbringing. Please don’t get your feelings hurt when I ignore you from now on – it is merely a sign of my respect.

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I live in Texas…And I don’t see how it is a strawman, unless you agree with me that it is inappropriate for white Americans to taunt Hispanic Americans as being somehow less legitimate citizens of the USA. I apologize if I misunderstood you.

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 9:07 PM

There are no Hispanic Americans.
Or African Americans.
Or Jewish American.
Or Irish Americans.

There are just Americans and illegal immigrants in this little narrative.

All Americans have their own histories. It is hardly a distinguishing characteristic. Rather the opposite is true.

Shouting USA is neither racist nor offensive unless you choose to see it as such.

I too live in Tejas (see what I did there?) and am familiar with the reality distortion field you are suffering from.

CorporatePiggy on March 7, 2012 at 9:15 PM

And which race is it that lives in the USA again? Oh, all races.
Axion on March 7, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Yeah, but one race created this place

And pretty much everything modern that people use or enjoy was the result of those white guys

Jealousy

Sonosam on March 7, 2012 at 9:16 PM

It’s a fact of life in Austin but also common on all UT campuses.

CorporatePiggy on March 7, 2012 at 9:16 PM

And you, sir/madam, are clearly an idiot, a product of misguided education, a youth spent inside a High School locker for being a p*ssy and lacking any common sense.
Please, pray tell, explain how chanting “USA” “USA” is racist!
If you cannot, kindly STFU, and troll elsewhere. I am tired of pukes like you.
I love you too…And I cower in awe of your intellect, wit, and solid upbringing. Please don’t get your feelings hurt when I ignore you from now on – it is merely a sign of my respect.
Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Actually it’s not racist. It’s vegetarianism.

Both are as close to the truth warpo marx

Sonosam on March 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I love you too…And I cower in awe of your intellect, wit, and solid upbringing. Please don’t get your feelings hurt when I ignore you from now on – it is merely a sign of my respect.

Chameleon

And please spare me your usual liberal clap trap.

Answer the question, you of high intellect and enlightenment…

Please, pray tell, explain how chanting “USA” “USA” is racist?

Gothguy on March 7, 2012 at 9:25 PM

What Bull$h!t is this ?. These damned apologists need to be stripped of their citizenship and brains and deported to Syria. I am so tired of these lame-brained school administrators and the lame-stream brain dead press swallowing this garbage.

hamradio on March 7, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I live in Texas…And I don’t see how it is a strawman, unless you agree with me that it is inappropriate for white Americans to taunt Hispanic Americans as being somehow less legitimate citizens of the USA. I apologize if I misunderstood you.

Chameleon

There are no Hispanic Americans.
Or African Americans.
Or Jewish American.
Or Irish Americans.

There are just Americans and illegal immigrants in this little narrative.

All Americans have their own histories. It is hardly a distinguishing characteristic. Rather the opposite is true.

Shouting USA is neither racist nor offensive unless you choose to see it as such.

I too live in Tejas (see what I did there?) and am familiar with the reality distortion field you are suffering from.

CorporatePiggy

Bravo!

Gothguy on March 7, 2012 at 9:28 PM

There are just Americans and illegal immigrants in this little narrative.

This narrative is about Americans mocking other Americans as less-American because of their ethnicity.

Shouting USA is neither racist nor offensive unless you choose to see it as such.

It depends on context.

If a bunch of black scholars started arguing that being American is really about being a minority, and therefore whites aren’t real Americans and can’t have a real American experience, it would be undeniably racist. If blacks students at games then started mocking white students with cries of “real Americans” it would be rightly regarded as offensive and racist by people like you.

If someone started chanting “real Americans” in order to mock you as less American than them, I’m quite sure you’d find it offensive and “choose to see it as such.”

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 10:07 PM

There are just Americans and illegal immigrants in this little narrative.

This narrative is about Americans mocking other Americans as less-American because of their ethnicity.

You’re a few inches from crying ‘Racism!’ with no actual proof or moral justification.

Shouting USA is neither racist nor offensive unless you choose to see it as such.

It depends on context.

No it really does not.

A country is an idea.
Like an army.
Or a corporation (latin derivation is corpus).
All require people who believe and affirm the existence of the organization and strive to make it succeed.

You either buy into it or you do not. And if you do not it falls apart as surely as the sun rises in the East.

Ever been to a country where people stopped believing in the country? In the body politic? Things get ugly and they get ugly fast.

You can race-bait all you like but shouting USA is no more racist than a Frenchman shouting Vive La France.

Alas you’ll find unicorn poo on your front doorstep before you hear that in modern day France.

CorporatePiggy on March 7, 2012 at 10:38 PM

MooCow…out.

MooCowBang on March 7, 2012 at 7:30 PM

You missed one.

Bunsin2 on March 7, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Living in San Antonio, I find this whole incident to be tasteless. The Alamo Heights kids (not meaning the players) who shouted “USA! USA!” were not being patriotic. They were taunting. That being said, the genius that is the head of the SAISD (Edison’s district) thinks it’s a good idea to teach his students that playing victimhood is a great way to get what you want out of life. So, basically, stupidity on both sides.

john1schn on March 7, 2012 at 10:55 PM

it’s all because the USA belongs to mexico, anglo oppressors. (i resent this term anglo as it is used by certain racialists to differentiate between caucasians according to whether or not they identify with the artificial construct of ‘hispanic’. in other words whether or not a caucasian speaks or identifies with the european romance language of spanish. i am not anglo-i’m french and irish which means i am a celt- one of the first nations people of western europe. we have our own issues of oppression with actual Anglos, thank you.)

if i was ever elected regent after his highness king barry i would, however, agree to cede california back to mexico where it rightly belongs.

if mexicans identify as mexicans and not americans, why are they here? if you are so proud of your country and find it superior to ‘ white’ america’, why aren’t you there? could it be because mexico is still ruled by the descendants of white european conquerers who still oppress the few remaining actual first nations people? and mixed race mexicans don’t fare that much better. the truth is the real racist country is the mexico of which some are so uncritically proud. whole villages are empty of everyone except old people because every able bodied person of a certain depressed social and economic class have fled to america where they can expect to have a half a chance despite their race- something not possible in mexico.

people are ignoring the facts of mexico’s long standing race problems among so called ‘ hispanics’ and the fact that these students are recognizing and registering an uncomfortable observation concerning la raza activism: the denying the sovereignty of the united states itself by a population of persons who are in the united states illegally, who are actually citizens of another nation. they are attempting to occupy another country by claiming they are conquered and oppressed by it even though they came here of their own free will.

in the spirit of unity may i suggest therefore that in the midst of heated sports competitions and in outbursts of esprit de corps we chant the non-racist,non-nationalist, non anglo language slogan of hope and brotherly love,” barack hussein obama…mmm…mm…mmm!”

mittens on March 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM

in the spirit of unity may i suggest therefore that in the midst of heated sports competitions and in outbursts of esprit de corps we chant the non-racist,non-nationalist, non anglo language slogan of hope and brotherly love,” barack hussein obama…mmm…mm…mmm!”

mittens on March 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Agree 100%.

The letters ‘U’ ‘S’and”A are offensive and should never be uttered by anyone.

CorporatePiggy on March 7, 2012 at 11:09 PM

If they had started singing the Star-Spangled Banner, I wonder what the reaction would have been?

slickwillie2001 on March 7, 2012 at 11:10 PM

It depends on context.

If a bunch of black scholars started arguing that being American is really about being a minority, and therefore whites aren’t real Americans and can’t have a real American experience, it would be undeniably racist. If blacks students at games then started mocking white students with cries of “real Americans” it would be rightly regarded as offensive and racist by people like you.

If someone started chanting “real Americans” in order to mock you as less American than them, I’m quite sure you’d find it offensive and “choose to see it as such.”

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 10:07 PM

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Now that is one BIG ASS shovel you got there…
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RalphyBoy on March 7, 2012 at 11:21 PM

A country is an idea…but shouting USA is no more racist than a Frenchman shouting Vive La France.

Agree with everything you say here, minus the race-baiting comment.

Alas you’ll find unicorn poo on your front doorstep before you hear that in modern day France.

Right…And if a bunch of white Parisian frogs started chanting “viva la France” after beating a bunch of Muslim frogs in a basketball game, my assumption would be that the comments were more likely an example of racial animosity than unicorn poo.

Now I’m not comparing a group of Texas high schoolers to frenchmen. But I have a real hard time giving them the benefit of the doubt here and imagining that the chants in this instance were a display of patriotism.

If it was patriotism, obviously it is not racist.

But wouldn’t you agree that it would be racist for one American to use a patriotic slogan with the specific purpose of mocking the Americanism of another ethnicity?

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Born and raised in San Antonio. Alamo Heights HS is attended by OLD money, known as 09′ers. They are known as the snobs, even by wealthy school standards. I later worked for a group of 09′ers and found they were very nice, but very exclusive with their social circles.
Edison HS, on the other hand, is across the highway, across the tracks, from an older north central San Antonio neighborhood that has been in decline for years. They are poor. I think if ANYTHING would have been chanted, it would have rubbed people the wrong way…because, it is a contest and someone has to lose. Feelings are going to be hurt.
Now, reading an article from WOAI San Antonio, there were several posters that attended the game, with others that did not but still lodged an opinion. According to witnesses, the Edison HS crowd started the taunts by chanting ALAMO WHITES! ALAMO WHITES!
But, as always, and sorry state for the news channels from San Antonio bend over backwards to be politically correct, the other side of the COIN was not reported…just the hateful chants of USA USA USA were worthy of condemnation. If I was a parent of one of those kids being punished, I would tell AHHS to pack sand.
And, once again, political correctness wins the day.
Now, can we talk about LA RAZA?

HornetSting on March 7, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Ugh! I live in Austin. The “USA” chants are totally inappropriate in this context, and clearly racist, IMO.

The idea that this “USA” chant has anything to do with patriotism is laughable. None of these kids chant “USA” when the beat another predominantly white school.

What is the purpose of white students chanting “USA” when they beat Latino students? The purpose is to degrade them as less American based on their ethnicity. It is shameful, and I’m saddened to see others here defend it.

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 6:40 PM

This is ALL I needed to know before reading further into your blather. Call La Raza and complain about that too while you’re at it.
I’m from Austin….you might as well say Paris on the Colorado River. Bunch of nuts and fruits and the only reason Texas allows you to exist is because we have to have a place to put the stupid people that come into Texas from California and Vermont.

HornetSting on March 7, 2012 at 11:51 PM

tneloms on March 7, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Says:

“Does everyone here agree that if I shout “USA! USA!” at every person I see who is non-white (implying that they are not American because of the color of their skin), that is racist? Not because loving America is racist, which it isn’t, but because accusing someone of being a non-citizen due to their race is.”

Uhm, if I’m a black American yelling “USA” at a white guy, am I a racist? If I’m an oriental yelling “USA” at a hispanic, am I a racist? If I’m a Native American yelling “USA” at a person from India, am I a racist?

Does everyone here agree that if tneloms makes an argument completely and totally devoid of reason or sense, that it’s just the natural order of things?

Fatal on March 7, 2012 at 11:55 PM

And this, is why I am glad not to live in Alamo Heights, and my kids attend Northside ISD schools. Our kids don’t act the fool at sporting events, and our administrators know what and who to discipline if someone gets out of hand.

john1schn on March 8, 2012 at 12:05 AM

How stupid have we become to justify this garbage. I mean really? With Edmund Burke, Kirk Russell, Goldwater, Reagan leading the way, has the conservative movement really become a group of people proud to label a bunch of Hispanic kids as non-Americans at a sporting event? This is not conservatism, its called ghetto behavior

conservador on March 8, 2012 at 12:15 AM

How stupid have we become to justify this garbage. I mean really? With Edmund Burke, Kirk Russell, Goldwater, Reagan leading the way, has the conservative movement really become a group of people proud to label a bunch of Hispanic kids as non-Americans at a sporting event? This is not conservatism, its called ghetto behavior

conservador on March 8, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Would it change your mind if the Edison students were chanting Alamo Whites Alamo Whites BEFORE the USA chants, as stated by students and spectators at the game, La Raza?

HornetSting on March 8, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Yeah, but those chants of “Meh-Hee-Co! Meh-Hee-Co!” rebounding from the proud “American” fans sitting in the stands at the latest friendly “football” game between the U.S. National Team and the Mexican National Team up in Seattle is a perfect example of appropriate patriotic behavior on the part of Americans, right?

Fatal on March 8, 2012 at 12:26 AM

This is a sad thread…

The students have only been chanting “USA” against predominantly hispanic schools. This proves that it is a racially motivated chant – not a chant of nationalism.

I would be pissed and regard it as unambiguously racist if someone taunted me by implying I was less American than they because of my ethnicity.

If someone chants “USA”, I will generally join them. But if they chanted it at me in a racially motivated way to imply I’m not a real American because of my ethnicity, I’d punch them in them mouth.

Chameleon on March 7, 2012 at 8:30 PM

I would want to know more about what really happened, and not just trusting the media.

But I’ve recently seen Caucasians call Caucaisans as “Americans” and non-Caucasians as other races. A dentist I know who is American born of Asian descent just posted on facebook that a patient of his wore a Jermey Lin shirt and pointed to it and asked for a discount because of it. Another girl I know who is in the movie industry was just bullied on the set last weekend with racist taunts because she wasn’t “American,” even though she was born in the U.S. I know another American born doctor of Asian descent who went to see a patient, and the patient said, “I hope you got over this whole Pearl Harbor thing and don’t hold it against us.” This kind of stuff is offensive.

How stupid have we become to justify this garbage. I mean really? With Edmund Burke, Kirk Russell, Goldwater, Reagan leading the way, has the conservative movement really become a group of people proud to label a bunch of Hispanic kids as non-Americans at a sporting event? This is not conservatism, its called ghetto behavior

conservador on March 8, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Absolutely. Defending this kind of stuff isn’t conservatism. This is defending a cross cultural ignorance and a lack of cultural awareness.

Tina, read this link about cultural intelligence. I like your work and you show promise, but you need this too:

http://eugenecho.com/2012/02/08/pete-hoekstra-and-cultural-intelligence-and-why-it-matters-to-the-church/

redeye on March 8, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Would it change your mind if the Edison students were chanting Alamo Whites Alamo Whites BEFORE the USA chants, as stated by students and spectators at the game, La Raza?

HornetSting on March 8, 2012 at 12:22 AM

It wouldn’t change my mind. If the Edison students were doing that, that’s just as bad. It’s just as Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin a c@#@, doesn’t make Rush’s comment appropriate.

The internet was lit up when that youtube video circulated about that kid was put in basketball games just to intimidate and hard foul the opposing players, and the public ripped into that coach. If these allegations are true on both sides, both teams should be ripped into just as much for teaching a lack of good sportsmanship, and how to have basic human relational skills.

redeye on March 8, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Yeah, but those chants of “Meh-Hee-Co! Meh-Hee-Co!” rebounding from the proud “American” fans sitting in the stands at the latest friendly “football” game between the U.S. National Team and the Mexican National Team up in Seattle is a perfect example of appropriate patriotic behavior on the part of Americans, right?

Fatal on March 8, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Yeah, remember the one in Los Angeles where the Mexican National Team supporters were dumping trash on their foes. Yeah, it is time to stop being so, I don’t know, obama apolegetic.
Check out the link below from WOAI Radio:

http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=119078&article=9866206

HornetSting on March 8, 2012 at 12:41 AM

HornetSting on March 8, 2012 at 12:22 AM
It wouldn’t change my mind. If the Edison students were doing that, that’s just as bad. It’s just as Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin a c@#@, doesn’t make Rush’s comment appropriate.

The internet was lit up when that youtube video circulated about that kid was put in basketball games just to intimidate and hard foul the opposing players, and the public ripped into that coach. If these allegations are true on both sides, both teams should be ripped into just as much for teaching a lack of good sportsmanship, and how to have basic human relational skills.

redeye on March 8, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Every action will have a reaction, but the reaction are the only ones that are being punished. Rush apologized. Maher did not.
If the chants Alamo WHITES Alamo WHITES were coming from the other side, I believe that is much more racist than a group of kids, with hispanic kids included with that chant, yelling USA USA.

HornetSting on March 8, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Every action will have a reaction, but the reaction are the only ones that are being punished. Rush apologized. Maher did not.
If the chants Alamo WHITES Alamo WHITES were coming from the other side, I believe that is much more racist than a group of kids, with hispanic kids included with that chant, yelling USA USA.

HornetSting on March 8, 2012 at 12:43 AM

If the other school did say that, their coaches should be ripped into and the other administration should apologize too. I grew up in the teachings of John Wooden at UCLA, and at the very least, the retaliation isn’t part of sportsmanship or character.

I was at the very first Tea Party rally, after Santelli’s meltdown, on tax day in Santa Monica a few years ago. There were two Latino girls there to support the conservative movement. A older man came up to them and told them they didn’t belong there because they weren’t “American” and when they looked puzzled he mentioned their skin color. I regret not going up to him and telling him some bad words.

We conservatives get this reputation of being portrayed as racists, I think largely to discredit our arguments which cannot be refuted based only on facts. But we conservatives need to become better at our cultural intelligence.

Recall when Ross Perot famously self-destructed during his Presidental run speaking before the NAACP, by addressing them as “You people….” Technically, there was nothing racist or “wrong” with what he said. But it ignored the long history and subtext behind the words. And his lack of cross cultural intelligence and lack of relational intelligence cost him in the election. And if we conservatives don’t learn this, we are going to lose the long game too.

redeye on March 8, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Every action will have a reaction, but the reaction are the only ones that are being punished.

Same thing happens in sports – reactions tend to get punished.

But it is lunacy in the realm of politics to be defending fouls.

Espcially when the other side is constantly making bogus accusations that you condone fouls.

But who am I kidding? Someone who brags about being able to size up someone based on where they live in a thread about racism obviously has no interest in winning friends or influencing people…

Chameleon on March 8, 2012 at 1:13 AM

It doesn’t really matter if one group of students is chanting racial slurs in this case.

If chanting USA is now a hate crime then we are in a whole world of trouble.

This is where we live, people. If you are ashamed of that then there are support groups like HotAir. But if you equate a shout out for the USA with some kind of offense, then that is indeed sad.

CorporatePiggy on March 8, 2012 at 1:15 AM

who am I kidding?
Chameleon on March 8, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Yourself.

CorporatePiggy on March 8, 2012 at 1:18 AM

HornetSting on March 8, 2012 at 12:43 AM
If the other school did say that, their coaches should be ripped into and the other administration should apologize too. I grew up in the teachings of John Wooden at UCLA, and at the very least, the retaliation isn’t part of sportsmanship or character.

I was at the very first Tea Party rally, after Santelli’s meltdown, on tax day in Santa Monica a few years ago. There were two Latino girls there to support the conservative movement. A older man came up to them and told them they didn’t belong there because they weren’t “American” and when they looked puzzled he mentioned their skin color. I regret not going up to him and telling him some bad words.

We conservatives get this reputation of being portrayed as racists, I think largely to discredit our arguments which cannot be refuted based only on facts. But we conservatives need to become better at our cultural intelligence.

Recall when Ross Perot famously self-destructed during his Presidental run speaking before the NAACP, by addressing them as “You people….” Technically, there was nothing racist or “wrong” with what he said. But it ignored the long history and subtext behind the words. And his lack of cross cultural intelligence and lack of relational intelligence cost him in the election. And if we conservatives don’t learn this, we are going to lose the long game too.

redeye on March 8, 2012 at 1:10 AM

I understand what you are saying, that man should have been frog marched out of that rally asap, but you cannot then brush every conservative with the same brush. I’m half white, half brown, but all American. I am from San Antonio and have seen the wave of illegal immigration change the city. It has changed. My parents live in a neighborhood that has been overrun with illegals. They drink, they play their music way too loud in their homes and in their loud trucks that they run up and down the streets at all hours. The Bexar county sheriffs department is useless and has told several citizens that the illegals have more rights than they do. True story.
There is a certain amount of hostility when an entitled society comes to live in your city, illegally, and expect you to shut up and allow them to fly their home country’s flags and speak their home country’s language. They march for rights they do not deserve nor have earned.
Not to say that these kids from Edison are illegal, but, we have to be careful not to err on the side of apologizing for every little thing that comes up, just for political correctness or expediency.
Conservatives have NO problem with immigration, as long as it is LEGAL and it does not prevent unemployed American citizens to get jobs. What we have a problem with is ILLEGAL immigration, from any country, not just Mexico and South America. There is a difference.
I just can’t imagine we are attacking high school kids chanting USA USA?!?!?! Go home Go home, yes, but we have a right too to be proud of our country and if you are an American, you should be proud and chant right along.

HornetSting on March 8, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Every action will have a reaction, but the reaction are the only ones that are being punished.
Same thing happens in sports – reactions tend to get punished.

But it is lunacy in the realm of politics to be defending fouls.

Espcially when the other side is constantly making bogus accusations that you condone fouls.

But who am I kidding? Someone who brags about being able to size up someone based on where they live in a thread about racism obviously has no interest in winning friends or influencing people…

Chameleon on March 8, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Call the Waambulance.

HornetSting on March 8, 2012 at 1:31 AM

But if you equate a shout out for the USA with some kind of offense, then that is indeed sad.

Wow! And to think you were actually complaining about strawmen before!

Your naked, shameless use of strawman here is truly magnificent!

Chameleon on March 8, 2012 at 1:36 AM

And take Spanish, and get a beeeeerr

Sonosam on March 7, 2012 at 7:39 PM

It’s “they take Spanish and get a ‘B’”. Geez.

yubley on March 8, 2012 at 2:00 AM

This just in: high school students are idiots. No one would chant U!S!A! at a high school basketball game. It doesn’t make any sense.

Some question why a chant of “USA” is wrong. It is not wrong in the appropriate context. Often it is heard at international events in support of our country versus another. If this chant was commonplace – chanted regularly at games with other high schools – it would not be an issue. In this case, it was targeted at a school that is predominantly Hispanic.

Unfortunately, this is not the first time we have had this experience. A similar incident occurred last year with one of our schools and another school district where their students chanted “USA USA” and “Arizona Arizona,” around the time that there was heated discussion about the immigration law in that state.

I think the people involved in the situation have a better grasp on what was going on than Tina Korbe or the HA commenters who haven’t even read the whole story. The dumb students chanted for 5 seconds, their own parents and teachers shut them up because they knew it was wrong. This wasn’t the first time it happened and it was targeted directly at a hispanic school. To claim there was no malicious intent is ignorant.

sob0728 on March 8, 2012 at 10:11 AM

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

MooCow…out.

MooCowBang on March 7, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Raaaaccciiisssttt.

Nutstuyu on March 8, 2012 at 10:21 AM

I’m half white, half brown, but all American.
HornetSting on March 8, 2012 at 1:28 AM

You’re a twist cone???

Nutstuyu on March 8, 2012 at 10:24 AM

According to witnesses, the Edison HS crowd started the taunts by chanting ALAMO WHITES! ALAMO WHITES!
But, as always, and sorry state for the news channels from San Antonio bend over backwards to be politically correct, the other side of the COIN was not reported…just the hateful chants of USA USA USA were worthy of condemnation. If I was a parent of one of those kids being punished, I would tell AHHS to pack sand.
And, once again, political correctness wins the day.
Now, can we talk about LA RAZA?

HornetSting on March 7, 2012 at 11:43 PM

So the Edison HS kids were the racists first…. And the other kids were the nationalists? bc there is no usa race, right?

Would you agree, Chameleon?

Dr. Demento on March 8, 2012 at 11:40 AM

All of you that are offended with people chanting USA need to move to North Korea or China or some communist or dictatorial country. Screw all of you!
This IS America not some third world place where the government tells you what to do and what not to do.
I dare any of you to try and stop me from loving America as
Our founding fathers envisoned. Thanks to the current people in DC I am not nearly as pleased as before these socialist/communists idiots got control of our country. We need to replace all of these Mudslums and treason isn’t people ASAP!

harvey1 on March 8, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Would you agree, Chameleon?

No.

The kids didn’t start the “USA” chant out of nationalism. American fans don’t chant “USA” at their rivals in games that feature two American teams. The “USA” chant is always reserved for foreign rivals because it doesn’t make any sense in the context of supporting one American team against a rival American team. Fans in rivalry games don’t chant general slogans at eachother that apply equally to both teams.

The kids chanted “USA” as a snarky way to imply that their rivals were foreigners.

Chameleon on March 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM

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