Panetta: We need international approval to join a military coalition — but maybe not Congress’s approval
posted at 9:01 pm on March 7, 2012 by Allahpundit
Via Breitbart.com, stick with this until at least 2:40, when things start to heat up, through 3:30 when the absurdity is fully revealed. His point about international approval is mundane: If we decide to act in Syria as part of a coalition, then there needs to be some sort of joint international resolution laying out the scope of the mission. To which Sessions replies, how come there didn’t need to be a resolution passed by Congress approving American intervention in Libya? We all know the answer to that, as does Panetta, which is why he’s reduced to mumbling here about maybe “informing” Congress of their plans if and when the time comes. The One doesn’t recognize the War Powers Act — even though his own lawyers do. If he wants to bomb Syria, he’ll bomb Syria, and Congress will get a heads up about it at some point and that’s that. Sessions is trying to get the SecDef to commit to seeking an AUMF before our next excursion but he simply won’t do it because he knows his boss doesn’t operate that way. Why hand the GOP a useful soundbite when he can take a dump on Congress’s prerogatives over warmaking instead?
Speaking of which, we’re getting closer:
Last week, a group of senior Obama administration officials met to finalize a package of options for aiding both the internal and external Syrian opposition, to include providing direct humanitarian and communications assistance to the Syrian opposition, two administration officials confirmed to The Cable. This meeting of what’s known as the Deputies Committee of the National Security Council set forth a new and assertive strategy for expanding U.S. engagement with Syrian activists and providing them with the means to organize themselves, but stops short of providing any direct military assistance to the armed opposition…
“These moves are going to invest the U.S. in a much deeper sense with the opposition,” one administration official said. “U.S. policy is now aligned with enabling the opposition to overthrow the Assad regime. This codifies a significant change in our Syria policy.”…
“The decision has been made at the next [international] Friends of Syria meeting to not oppose any proposals to arm the FSA and we’re not going to publicly or privately message on that,” the official said. “We’re not going to publicly or privately tell the Friends of Syria not to do this.”
Humanitarian aid now, plus a tacit green light for the Gulf states to start sending weapons in earnest to whoever it is that’s shooting back at Assad’s shock troops. And what happens if Assad refuses to let humanitarian aid into the country? No word on that yet, but coincidentally WaPo has a new report out tonight on Obama authorizing “initial U.S. planning” for intervening in Syria, which, per Gen. Dempsey, means assessing “potential missions, the enemy order of battle,” the number of troops available, and how much time all of this would take. I wonder how long the lag will be this time between O’s decision to act and his report to Congress officially informing them that we’re at war again. Hope he remembers to include the bill.
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Apparently the questions at the press conference are preselected. Does anyone really think Obama is gonna allow himself to be put on the spot?
Doughboy on May 13, 2013 at 10:45 AM
Is this a ploy? Is it a gambit? By giving the “either pick the IRS story or Benghazi” is F Chuck saying that we can’t have both? Both are big, both need to be investigated and both need to run simultaneously.
ted c on May 13, 2013 at 10:45 AM
It’s been said before but these people will now have the power to deny you medical care if your politics are correct.
jukin3 on May 13, 2013 at 10:45 AM
Is this crisis not going to waste by allowing the administration to pick which of its garbage that we are going to sift through????
ted c on May 13, 2013 at 10:46 AM
The worm turns…
d1carter on May 13, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Actually, the IRS scandal was supposed to be a distraction from Benghazi.
steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Don’t blame me…
Holder will get right on it
cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Waiting for a nonpartisan claim of nobility here.
“That beautiful man……”
BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 10:47 AM
Yes, I think it is.
Don’t lose focus, folks. Both are extremely bad – don’t pick – hammer both.
Midas on May 13, 2013 at 10:47 AM
Yes, the IRS story is important.
IMO is is NOT as important as the willful abandonment of Americans under attack by terrorists. Benghazi has much more “legs” to it…IF the MSM would only take a peek.
catmman on May 13, 2013 at 10:48 AM
IRS is the squirrel for Benghazi…. there won’t be one question on Benghazi methinks
cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 10:48 AM
time for President blah blah blah to pull some “ah, I, umm, didn’t know anything about any of this, uh, I’m sure it’s all just a big misunderstanding. I’m my minions would still elect me for a 3rd term.”
“Here comes the orator, with his flood of words, and drop of reason.” – Ben Franklin
kirkill on May 13, 2013 at 10:48 AM
Someone should ask Cameron the questions to see what he thinks of these scandals…
d1carter on May 13, 2013 at 10:48 AM
I’ll answer questions only from MSNBC? (or whatever they are called now)
Oil Can on May 13, 2013 at 10:48 AM
Truman had a plaque on his desk which read, “THE BUCK STOPS HERE.”
Obama has one which reads, “IT’S NOT MY FAULT!”
kingsjester on May 13, 2013 at 10:48 AM
Where were you when the consulate was under attack?
ted c on May 13, 2013 at 10:49 AM
Odds Fox/Sky get called today? 150,000,000-1?
Steve Eggleston on May 13, 2013 at 10:49 AM
PMSDNC.
Steve Eggleston on May 13, 2013 at 10:50 AM
Where were you at the precise moment Amb Stevens was reported dead and who told you..?
d1carter on May 13, 2013 at 10:50 AM
Mr President, Are you suprised hat hiriing a Tax Cheat to run Treasury resulted in poor oversight at the IRS?
Deafdog on May 13, 2013 at 10:52 AM
“Just now, and you”?
Steve Eggleston on May 13, 2013 at 10:53 AM
If true, that’s sad. That said, I can’t believe I just heard MSNBC claim a scandal that might hurt Obama “outrageous.”
LukeinNE on May 13, 2013 at 10:53 AM
And to think, these lovable IRS rascals will be in charge of our health insurance market.
Wonder if you’ll be asked about your political affiliations if you apply for health insurance in the federally run market?
Tea Party groups get the sky high premiums with minimum benefits while progressive groups get the full package for free?
ButterflyDragon on May 13, 2013 at 10:53 AM
Any bets on many times will Obama say “ongoing investigation”?
steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 10:54 AM
Has sequestration defunded some of the trolls?
I’m disappointed.
VibrioCocci on May 13, 2013 at 10:54 AM
Waivers. This admin uses them as if they had the power of a pardon.
BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 10:55 AM
Any bets on many times will Obama say “ongoing investigation”?
steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 10:54 AM
And don’t forget politically motivated….
sandee on May 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM
Or was the IRS targeting of conservative groups actually the brain child of the tax cheat who was your former Chief of Staff?
Deafdog on May 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM
Sorry, I have not listened to this man for some time..
He can go striaght to Hell, do not pass Go, do not
collect $200….
And that goes for the female Satan as well….
HotAir, please stop putting her image on here…
BTW, did anyone see the Mother of one of the heroes who
died in Benghazi over the weekend? She was on Huckabee
(yeah, I know, I watched him) only because they stated she
would be on. What that woman has gone thru made me sick
to my stomach….
ToddPA on May 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM
I’m starting to notice a disturbing pattern
when a democrat is president, it seems like Republicans are solely committed to bringing down/destroying said democrat
see exhibit 1. Bill Clinton: republicans wasted how many millions of taxpayer dollars to impeach the President for trivial issues that the rest of the world laughs at
see exhibit 2. Barack Obama: now, republicans are once again wasting millions of dollars and time (what happened to focusing on jobs and deficit) to try to tie ANY and ALL scandals to the President
nonpartisan on May 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM
anything to help Jay Carney build the case for “it was a looong time ago” and develop more chronological distance for The Cause. Any good leftie knows that time is the great healer of supposed leftie mistakes.
ted c on May 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM
I agree. Especially since the Brits (along with the French) were the ones who wanted Obama to do something about Libya in the first place. MSM won’t bring it up with Cameron there.
Bitter Clinger on May 13, 2013 at 10:58 AM
Whats the over/under on the pooched-out lower lip at first hint of a IRS/Benghazi question?
You know he’ll be bringin’ his best super-frown……
BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 10:59 AM
They’re reporting that only two questions will be asked. One by an American reporter and one by a Brit. Hard to imagine that he will be asked about his people harassing conservatives and making illegal demands about their donor lists.
It is too bad because I want to hear the man claim that we shouldn’t jump to conclusions what Lois Lerner was doing for all those years.
Happy Nomad on May 13, 2013 at 10:59 AM
The FBI needs to announce that they have eliminated those responsible for the attack on Benghazi…soon, real soon.
d1carter on May 13, 2013 at 11:00 AM
nonpartisan on May 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM
TROLLCOT!
BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 11:00 AM
So both of these incidents are frivolous and should be ignored?
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 11:00 AM
Will the press coordinate their questions on Benghazi like they did at Romney’s presser immediately afte the attack..?
d1carter on May 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM
Yes, lying under oath is no big deal.
Yes, having the IRS target political opponents is no big deal. Anymore. It sure was an issue when Nixon was president though…
JohnTant on May 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM
Tingles covering the conference for msdnc….not happy about it….he could be standing next to the jong of Swaziland… the only questions will be about IRS and Benghazi
Lol
Poor tingles
cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM
“MR. President…..Do you think the Caps will be the NHL champs this year?”
BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 11:02 AM
Obama on the IRS story: I was not aware of the IRS targeting these groups but I have instructed DoJ to look into it and bring those responsible to justice.
Obama on Benghazi: I was not made aware of any changes to the talking points but as you recall I did call what happened in Benghazi a terror attack from the outset even though I blamed the video for two weeks including at the UN and in the apology PSA Hillary and I made that aired in Pakistan.
crazywater on May 13, 2013 at 11:02 AM
Announced time: 11:15
Real time: 11:45 or later
3 pages of comments by then
22044 on May 13, 2013 at 11:02 AM
It beats wasting trillions of dollars on 1) a “stimulus” package that did nothing but grow the debt and reward political cronies, and 2) a healthcare “reform” law that has left American medicine in shambles.
steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 11:02 AM
King… dang android
cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 11:03 AM
Mr. Preznit, what has mesmerized, excited, and dare I say enchanted you the most about your administration flat-out lying over the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi?
Bishop on May 13, 2013 at 11:03 AM
lying about sex is trivial.
there is not a shred of evidence that Obama ordered the IRS to target political opponents. I’m ok with an investigation, but ppl here are jumping the gun and already suspecting the President of the worst.
nonpartisan on May 13, 2013 at 11:03 AM
POTUS: We have found that there are a lot of rogue low level government employees left over from the previous administration. We pledge thorough investigations to rid the government of these people…
d1carter on May 13, 2013 at 11:03 AM
Obama press conference?
You mean Obamuh BS session, as usual.
stukinIL4now on May 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM
If Obama actually says “witch hunt,” we’ll know he’s a broken man for sure.
steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM
You. Big. Dummy. (my inner Mark Levin)
Clinton had to cut a deal & get disbarred to avoid getting tried for perjury at the end of his term.
Obama is involved in these scandals. It ain’t the Republicans’ fault.
22044 on May 13, 2013 at 11:04 AM
Tingles hoping this us just isolated to a few IRS films in Ohio
Love saying this guy is a bush appointee
cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM
never said they should be ignored. but lets not make the President guilty because all facts are out.
nonpartisan on May 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM
BREAKING:
Lip reader catches Michelle Obama mouthing “All this for four dead people?”
BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM
because should be ‘before’
nonpartisan on May 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM
Me too. The preznit seems to be involved in a lot of cover-ups, lies, scandals, and persecutions of American citizens.
We should organize a march through D.C. I’ll bring shoes, you bring giant paper-mache as targets for those shoes, yes? Good. See you Friday.
Bishop on May 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM
Tingles trying to deflect for dear leader…just hoping
cmsinaz on May 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM
lying about sex is trivial.
there is not a shred of evidence that Obama ordered the IRS to target political opponents. I’m ok with an investigation, but ppl here are jumping the gun and already suspecting the President of the worst.
nonpartisan on May 13, 2013 at 11:03 AM
Sure, nothing to see here move along. You’re right, obama is never responsible for anything….
sandee on May 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM
Breaking: Watergate was not political. It was simply low level people who committed a breaking and entering…
d1carter on May 13, 2013 at 11:07 AM
this is your troll shift, huh
We’ll probably see HAL the Queen of Death at the QOTD later
22044 on May 13, 2013 at 11:07 AM
So which is it, troll? Is it a waste of time and money to investigate the IRS or are you ok with it? You can’t even keep your own talking points straight.
And BTW, since when is the GOP keeping Obama from focusing on jobs and the deficit? Who’s the one who’s been zeroing in on gay marriage, guns, and amnesty for the last 4 months?
Doughboy on May 13, 2013 at 11:07 AM
Mr. President, What do you think about O.J. Simpson asking for a new trial?
Mr. President, Do you think that the Washington Redskins should change their name?
Mr. President, what are your plans for the Memorial Day weekend?
Mr. President, any words for Barbara Walters as she announces her retirement?
Anything but Benghazi or spying on honest American citizens.
Happy Nomad on May 13, 2013 at 11:08 AM
Then the obvious follow up question, if the press would start being the press, would be
“With all these scandles, it appears your adminstration is out of control and you hold no one accountable. Why should the American people believe that this nothing more than “mistakes?”
WisRich on May 13, 2013 at 11:08 AM
Lying under oath is lying under oath, regardless of subject matter.
And it’s fascinating that right now you’re saying there isn’t a shred of evidence as if that means anything three days after the story broke. There’s already been one outright deception in the statement (unless you want to call the IRS Chief Counsel a low level employee…).
And besides…the President is in charge of the Administration and ultimately responsible for the acts carried out under its authority. Trying to suggest Obama is blameless here is, actually, closer to “jumping the gun” than anything else.
JohnTant on May 13, 2013 at 11:08 AM
Are there impeachment hearings going on? Has The Won been asked to even have an informal sit down. You sure are protective of a man you think is brilliant and can handle anything and everything. You seem nervous.
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 11:09 AM
Do you notice that the only thing “non” partisan capitalizes is president? What A Douche. He has to honor the POS with capital letters.
BeachBum on May 13, 2013 at 11:10 AM
Wait…I found another pattern.
Anything good that happens: Barky is the Man who made it all work.
Anything bad that happens: Barky has never so much as heard a whisper of it, some low-level clerk must be to blame.
Bishop on May 13, 2013 at 11:11 AM
All facts are out? Who decided that? That’s why we need to investigate to get to the bottom of this.
BTW, where was your heart throb on the night of the Benghazi attack? He’s the Commander-in-Chief yet he was AWOL when Americans were attacked.
Bitter Clinger on May 13, 2013 at 11:11 AM
Wonder if bho will even answer any questions on these two issues? Afterall bho could say this is under investigation and will need to wait for the investigation to end? bho will stall stall stall if he possibly can or will throw someone under the bus?
L
letget on May 13, 2013 at 11:12 AM
What did you think of Obama and his minions in the press unsealing Jack Ryan’s divorce/custody papers in his 2004 senate race?
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 11:12 AM
he was not AWOL. what do you expect him to do, jump in Air Force One and fly to benghazi and fight the protestors?
nonpartisan on May 13, 2013 at 11:13 AM
Wow, what took you so long?
I noticed a long time ago, that leftists,
are in fact, fuck*ing Deranged.
ToddPA on May 13, 2013 at 11:13 AM
And he lies about PERJURY.
cozmo on May 13, 2013 at 11:13 AM
well, a person’s character is important for the electorate, and to the effect that such divorce papers may reveal Mr. Ryan’s character, its fair game
nonpartisan on May 13, 2013 at 11:14 AM
Maybe Muffin should have postponed.
Axe on May 13, 2013 at 11:14 AM
F-. You didn’t answer the question.
BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 11:14 AM
NonPee should be nervous, there’s a shiite-storm because of these two events and Dog Eater is going to find himself smack in the center of it.
Demorats are looking at a crushing next year, the only question now is how many of them are willing to keep themselves tied to the lame duck sinking ship.
Bishop on May 13, 2013 at 11:14 AM
joint presser with PM Cameron affords the President a chance to make some muted half-assed statement about this in response to a pre-positioned softball from a friendly reporter (arent they all?), which he will do in the familiar disinterested & disdainful Obama style.
Then, Bagdad Jay Carney/Dems/MSM will get to say “The President has addressed this issue. moveon.org, wingnutty wingnuts. Nothing to see here and you deserved it anyway.”
Sacramento on May 13, 2013 at 11:14 AM
fight the protestors?
Hey non….
Hey non…. nice try…. protesters?
sandee on May 13, 2013 at 11:15 AM
BobMbx on May 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM
I remember that … furious over it, once again.
Gee thanks. ;-)
pambi on May 13, 2013 at 11:15 AM
even Bill Clinton had to testify…..
ted c on May 13, 2013 at 11:15 AM
Let’s see, uhhh, well, ummm, let me think, who is a usable target to blame…thinking…oh, right, got it: Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, that’ll work, the duo, now silenced in time before an audience who largely doesn’t even know what they were about or why they led who.
I would not be surprised if Obama-Cameron try that excuse, or at least imply aspersions about the Thatcher-Reagan years.
Lourdes on May 13, 2013 at 11:16 AM
Gee, the partisan liar is okay with that.
Not much difference between that and what is happening now.
cozmo on May 13, 2013 at 11:16 AM
“nonpartisan on May 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM”
Remember Watergate? How about Iran-Contra? peanuts compared to the Communist Tyranny of this administration that you put your blinders on for…unbelievable.
kirkill on May 13, 2013 at 11:16 AM
hiding behind David Cameron’s skirt….
ted c on May 13, 2013 at 11:16 AM
Fixed..
You are completely blind, deaf and fixated on ignoring democrat scandals were people actually died..
now..
on scoffing at a scandal so Nixionian, even Chuck (let me kiss it) Todd is outraged?
Really?
Then you won’t mind when the next GOP president uses every agency at his command to persecute and harass every democrat donor, and advocacy group will you..
since it’s such a big nothing and all..
You have to be a plant to make liberals look profoundly stupid.. a typing paraody of a mindless left wing shill.
mark81150 on May 13, 2013 at 11:17 AM
Hey, I love the smell of troll sweat in the morning.
Happy Nomad on May 13, 2013 at 11:17 AM
Presser still pending and I admit it, I’m not at all looking forward to this. I fully expect a horrible display from Obama. Glaring eyes, somber, booming tone when his big-ole-smile routine won’t work.
Lourdes on May 13, 2013 at 11:17 AM
Yes, the democrats did not attempt to destroy/undermine Reagan, Bush I or Bush II. Ted (the liberal hero and saint) sent a letter to the Kremlin – our enemies – asking to work with them to undermine Reagan. Carter asked the USSR to help him beat Reagan. After 8 years of Clinton and his administration saying Iraq had WMD, after 8 years of Senate Dems saying Iraq had WMD, dems claimed never to have believed that in order to score cheap political points against Bush II. Iran-Contra. I could go on and on and on and on. Clearly, only republicans challenge sitting presidents or investigate sitting president’s administrations. The dems are pure as snow and care only about the good of the Country, while republicans are evil and only seek to score cheap political points.
Nor is the fact that the Obama administration used the IRS to punish its perceived enemies important. Nothing to see here. We should just ignore it. Because “nonpartisan” (who is clearly a far-left shill, but her dishonesty stems from her being a lefty) says so!!
You are an idiot. You are dishonest. You are unethical. You are uneducated. You are inarticulate. And you are stupid. But, you seem to believe you a) make points and b) fool people (“Oh my, that nonpartisan person just wants to do common sense things. they all seem like far left policies and positions, but she says she is nonpartisan, so it must be true”). It is quite amusing in its own way.
Doesn’t it ever bother you that in order to push your political philosophy, you must always lie? Anyone with half a brain would realize they are wrong when they are forced to always lie to further their position. But not you lefties. To you, lying is a point of pride.
Monkeytoe on May 13, 2013 at 11:18 AM
kirkill on May 13, 2013 at 11:16 AM
Nonpartisan is a child. He doesn’t even remember the Bangles.
kingsjester on May 13, 2013 at 11:18 AM
Presser still pending and I admit it, I’m not at all looking forward to this. I fully expect a horrible display from Obama. Glaring eyes, somber, booming tone when his big-ole-smile routine won’t work.
Lourdes on May 13, 2013 at 11:17 AM
Well I’ll never know because I refuse to see or hear anything this liar has to say….
sandee on May 13, 2013 at 11:18 AM
There’s a reason the administration won’t release an hour-by-hour accounting of Obama’s time. Because he went to sleep. Couldn’t let dying Americans disturb his beauty sleep.
He sure found the time to try and look the part in the Situation Room during the OBL raid though. Had a photog there and everything. But no dramatic photos of him in the same room while diplomatic personnel were begging for assistance.
JohnTant on May 13, 2013 at 11:18 AM
FIFY.
22044 on May 13, 2013 at 11:18 AM
What did I miss?
DTTS on May 13, 2013 at 11:18 AM
“Protestors”?
O_o
How about canceling all fundraisers on the day following the destruction of a U.S. consulate, the torture-murder of a U.S. ambassador, and the killing of two 2 Navy SEAL’s. How about acting like the effin POTUS instead of jetting away to raise money while American corpses are still warm. Damn you lefties are sad specimens.
Who gave the stand down order, the White House coat-check girl?
Bishop on May 13, 2013 at 11:18 AM
Wow, just freakin’ wow. No, WE expected him to go to bed so he could get up and fly to Vegas for a campaign rally. What would YOU have expected Bush to do?
kirkill on May 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM
If we’re lucky (or unfortunate) enough, we might even get to see him bust out the ol’ middle-finger-chin-scratch.
steebo77 on May 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM
6 minutes late and counting.
22044 on May 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM
No one knows where he was that night. Americans were being attacked and yet he wasn’t in the Situation Room handing out orders. Some leader.
Bitter Clinger on May 13, 2013 at 11:20 AM
Old Hotness: The rat-eared coward single-handedly led SEAL Team Six and “got” OBL. Gave the order to take the kill shot personally. White House situation room filled to capacity with cabinet members and national security leaders.
New Hotness: Hey it is just a missing ambassador, think I’ll turn in early, got a long day in Vegas tomorrow.
Happy Nomad on May 13, 2013 at 11:20 AM
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