Mitt Romney: It’s not like the president can “precisely set the price at the pump”

posted at 12:10 pm on March 7, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Yesterday, Mitt Romney said he’s “not going to say outrageous things about the president.” Trouble with that statement is that “outrageous” is a pretty subjective adjective. Outrageous to whom? Apparently, Romney meant to say he’s not going to say anything about the president that would outrage the left — because he doesn’t seem to be afraid to say something about the president that would outrage the right. In fact, he did just that earlier today, when he essentially said the president shouldn’t be held responsible for the high price of gas.

“I think people recognize that the president can’t precisely set the price at the pump,” Romney said in an interview on CNBC.

Oh, Romney, you’re right technically — but don’t you realize that precisely setting the price at the pump is also precisely what Obama longs to do? He wants to set the price of gas not so as to alleviate the burden on American consumers but so as to make his favored forms of energy more economically appealing to them.

In an excellent article in National Review magazine this month, Kevin D. Williamson illuminates this clearly. Williamson writes:

As it happens, the Obama administration has been busily undermining domestic energy production in the United States, because its central-planning manifesto says that the U.S. economy should cease to run on petroleum and begin to run on other forms of energy: wind, hydro, geothermal — air, water, and earth being the favored elements, fire being in the political doghouse. (Like I said: occultism.) In his latest budget proposal, President Obama proposes to continue offering tax benefits to U.S. manufacturers in the hope of increasing exports, but he intends to exclude from that benefit energy firms — which just happen to be positioned to export a great deal of natural gas to a world market hungry for the stuff …

So we are to double our exports, which were going to double anyway, but we’re to do so by favoring goods that nobody wants and that are not made here … over goods that are made here that everybody wants and that just happen to fall into the category of goods that represent the majority of our trade deficit.

That’s the trouble with Romney’s pledge: If he’s unwilling to unmask the president for who and what he is, he doesn’t stand a chance in November. Nobody is asking him to take cheap shots: We’re just asking him to not give the president the benefit of the doubt when the president’s purposes are pretty clear.

In the CNBC interview, Romney went on to point out many of the facts of Obama’s energy policies and noted their detrimental effects. Why the disclaimer that Obama shouldn’t be held responsible for gas prices then? What does that disclaimer accomplish? It’s one thing to refrain from insulting those with differing views in polite conversation and to avoid ad hominem attacksthose are just the rules of debate and also happen to help the debater who abides by them. It’s another to affect to be blind to reality for the sake of scoring points with those who want to obscure reality for the sake of Obama’s reelection — that just makes it that much easier for Obama to convince the electorate that he and his cadre of experts do know what’s best for them and that he should be given the chance to do it.



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Is Romney doing this on purpose? Obama does all the time for shi**s and giggles knowing people just won’t believe he intended to insult, demean, or ridicule. I can’t remember, did he scratch his nose with his middle finger when he addressed the corpse-men?

Mimzey on March 7, 2012 at 5:12 PM

This thread is an example of journalistic malpractice. I’m about ready to boycott Hot Air over this one…

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM

About? That’s your escape word?

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Ace, over at AoSHQ, attended the funeral yesterday. Here’s a short post that he wrote.

Gladtobehere on March 7, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Thanks for that info. He seemed to disappear in the frothing by the media over Rush, but I believe it was totally intentional to give him no coverage.

silvernana on March 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Look. I saw the clip. Romney is giving O soundbites, it’s simple. It doesnt matter if he was being honest. Romney is a perpetual liar and we all know it and soon all the independents will too with Obama clips of his own positions. It’s not like anyone believes him

Flapjackmaka on March 7, 2012 at 5:20 PM

And Joana and others are Mitt sponsored and not serious posters but paid shills…the RNC had them here last year (Manlyrush was one), and I am sure the DNC have them, as well as the “raw raw” RNC and certainly Mitt pacs.

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Most of them are Mormons.

Portia46 on March 7, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Truly delusional.

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM

LOL, the Mittbots are such whiners.

Romney screwed up BIG time, once again. He gave Obama a soundbite that will help gas prices off the table as a argument for Romney in November. End of story.

Norwegian on March 7, 2012 at 5:24 PM

This thread is an example of journalistic malpractice. I’m about ready to boycott Hot Air over this one…

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Maybe hope isn’t dead!

Portia46 on March 7, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Truly delusional.

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Yeah, well Manlyrush was a paid operative, so I guess your a little “wishful” in your opinions.
Joana won’t be around after the elections…maybe for a week or two, Manlyrush was around for about 4 or 5 days, than “disappeared”.
You don’t think they (RNC/DNC/Mittpacs) understand the power of sites like HA and are not willing to pay to monitor and “move” opinion.
You call me delusional…I call you naive…

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 5:24 PM

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I’ll get back to you after I finish reading this book by Glenn Beck.

galtani on March 7, 2012 at 5:24 PM

This thread is an example of journalistic malpractice. I’m about ready to boycott Hot Air over this one…

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Well, if not journalistic malpractice, certainly the kind of bias that has no place on what is – or at least used to be – a serious political blog. It’s the kind of post that I would expect from a partisan shill…half-truth, out-of-context, buying into conservative media elite spin that Romney is “gaffe prone” because he speaks sensibly about issues that others demagogue.

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:25 PM

It doesnt matter if he was being honest. Romney is a perpetual liar

Schizophrenia is a beeotch. No – schizophrenia is wonderful.

whatcat on March 7, 2012 at 5:25 PM

All the mitt fans refuse to admit that Romney keeps giving the left ammo with his statements. Remember Newt’s “let Medicare whither on the vine” comment taken completely out of context?

Even if Romney’s statement today is taken as you all say it should be, you should question his judgment after watching that nasty, snarky, poseur Obama at the NC truck plant. He made fun of drilling and keeps up with his alternative energy crap.
Mitt: “Obama nice guy, just over his head.” Really? Hate to see if he wasn’t a nice guy.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Romney doesn’t “get it”..McCain didn’t “get it”.
Obama “gets it”. He is counting on the masses of people who don’t “get it”.

We are witnessing Romney not “getting it” before he is even sighted in on by the communist slime machine. Its almost like he actually believes that if he “fights nice”, people will rally to him because he’s a nice guy standing on nice values.

We’re screwed.

Mimzey on March 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Schizophrenia is a beeotch. No – schizophrenia is wonderful.

whatcat on March 7, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Allright. Ignore Mitt’s faults to election day. Go storm the castle with Mittens! I’m outta here

Flapjackmaka on March 7, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Mitt McCain – is anyone surprised by this? Mitt doesn’t stand a chance against Obama. He won’t know what the he!! hit him when that bunch gets hold of him.

silvernana on March 7, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Lol, Mittbots as they are called don’t seem to realize no matter who wins the primary, they will be compared to Satan himself.

Africanus on March 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Yep. And I would rather then have someone who stands by his principles and also wouldn’t look like a scared deer in the headlights when the spit hits the spam like Romney does.

Sterling Holobyte on March 7, 2012 at 5:29 PM

I’ll get back to you after I finish reading this book by Glenn Beck.

galtani on March 7, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Don’t get it…I don’t watch or listen to Beck, does he even have a book?
These “in” jokes just don’t work on some of thee sites.

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM

About? That’s your escape word
right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 5:13 PM

I’m giving Hot Air/ Tina Korbe a chance to apologize for malpractice like this:

In the CNBC interview, Romney went on to point out many of the facts of Obama’s energy policies and noted their detrimental effects. Why the disclaimer that Obama shouldn’t be held responsible for gas prices then?

Romney did not say, imply, hint, wink at, give secret hand signals – nothing – which could in any way be construed to mean “Obama shouldn’t be held responsible for gas prices.”

He said president’s can’t “precisely set them” which is, you know,,,,a true fact.

PS: Gotta love all this Mormon crap. It’s oh so relevant to the topic of energy policy. You’re a bunch of fracking jackasses….

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Its almost like he actually believes that if he “fights nice”, people will rally to him because he’s a nice guy standing on nice values.

We’re screwed.

Mimzey on March 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM

It worked for McCain….wait…

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Ace, over at AoSHQ, attended the funeral yesterday. Here’s a short post that he wrote.

Gladtobehere on March 7, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Thanks for that info. He seemed to disappear in the frothing by the media over Rush, but I believe it was totally intentional to give him no coverage.

silvernana on March 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Based on Ace’s post, I think Breitbart’s family wanted a quiet funeral. The Leftist media would have turned it into a circus.

Gladtobehere on March 7, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Well, if not journalistic malpractice, certainly the kind of bias that has no place on what is – or at least used to be – a serious political blog. It’s the kind of post that I would expect from a partisan shill…half-truth, out-of-context, buying into conservative media elite spin that Romney is “gaffe prone” because he speaks sensibly about issues that others demagogue.
Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:25 PM

It’s beyond bias, because she so distorts what he said (and how free markets work) it’s malpractice, and if anyone did this to their darling Sarah Palin commenters would rightly be outraged. There was no “gaffe” period.

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Just got this Word Press Error Message!:

You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.

Unfrackingbelievable.

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Maybe I am naive. But since no one ever seems to change anybody’s mind around here anyway, why would any national political organization waste money on the kind of juvenile namecalling that often passes for “commentary” here?

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM

God I wish there was somebody else. But there isn’t and the others can’t catch up. The only way Newt or Santorum can win is to take it to the convention by blocking Romney from getting the total necessary to win. Then we have 60 days to campaign against Obama. If this goes to the convention we loose folks, the candidate, whoever it is, will be three touchdowns behind, injured, with two minutes left in the game.

Rancher on March 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM

He said president’s can’t “precisely set them” which is, you know,,,,a true fact.

PS: Gotta love all this Mormon crap. It’s oh so relevant to the topic of energy policy. You’re a bunch of fracking jackasses….

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM

And that is his “escape” word, all journalist and polititians have a list…like a journalist saying “It has been said that you….” and they fall back and state that it’s not them but others.
Or “I will never change or vote to change any part of Mass abortion laws”, and state, “I never said I supported abortion”.
Yes, btw, no one “precisely” sets gas prices, they ebb and flow daily, the market determines the price, it’s derived from a commodity.
But the president heavily influences the prices, and the direction…so Mitt wants to have it both ways.
Many say he is a wimp…but then he pulls out a “but I am tough”…he plays both sides and that (as I pointed out) is his downfall.
He has no core policy values…it’s whatever gets him votes.
I shouldn’t be, but you being a long time poster, I am surprised you are so easily duped by these double messages.

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM

This thread is an example of journalistic malpractice. I’m about ready to boycott Hot Air over this one…

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Promise?

angryed on March 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Maybe I am naive. But since no one ever seems to change anybody’s mind around here anyway, why would any national political organization waste money on the kind of juvenile namecalling that often passes for “commentary” here?

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM

The goal isn’t to change anyone’s mind. It’s to demoralize the other side. It’s what the left does perfectly, no surprise Mittens is employing the same tactics.

angryed on March 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM

God I wish there was somebody else. But there isn’t and the others can’t catch up. The only way Newt or Santorum can win is to take it to the convention by blocking Romney from getting the total necessary to win. Then we have 60 days to campaign against Obama. If this goes to the convention we loose folks, the candidate, whoever it is, will be three touchdowns behind, injured, with two minutes left in the game.

Rancher on March 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM

We’re going to lose no matter what. That’s what is so depressing. Mitt cannot beat Obama.

silvernana on March 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM

I call BS.

If the ruler can set the price in Nigeria, in Venezuela, in Indonesia, and so on, I see no reason why our current ruler cannot set the price here.

He simply hasn’t decided to yet.
/ ?

tomg51 on March 7, 2012 at 5:39 PM

If this goes to the convention we loose folks, the candidate, whoever it is, will be three touchdowns behind, injured, with two minutes left in the game.

Rancher on March 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM

And the post election spin is already under way. Mittens didn’t lose because he is a RINO indistinguishable from Obama.

He lost because those unruly peasants in the hinterlands didn’t crown him king in January like they were supposed to do.

angryed on March 7, 2012 at 5:41 PM

We’re going to lose no matter what. That’s what is so depressing. Mitt cannot beat Obama.

silvernana on March 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Have to disagree. He could beat the stuffing out of Obama but because he has never been in a real fight his entire life and is OK w/big government he won’t.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 5:41 PM

The goal isn’t to change anyone’s mind. It’s to demoralize the other side. It’s what the left does perfectly, no surprise Mittens is employing the same tactics.

angryed on March 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Well, you and the other TrueCons have certainly demoralized me, so maybe you should request a check from the RNC.

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:42 PM

We’re going to lose no matter what. That’s what is so depressing. Mitt cannot beat Obama.

silvernana on March 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Sure he can. Any of them besides Paul can. We would at least have a better chance if we had only one candidate now. But they would need to start now and campaign against Obama, hammer him everyday, and yes we don’t know, (or maybe we do), if Romney will do that. Maybe if he noticed that he wasn’t gaining any ground he would step it up but that’s not going to happen if he’s fighting against Newt and Santorum.

Rancher on March 7, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Yes, btw, no one “precisely” sets gas prices, they ebb and flow daily, the market determines the price, it’s derived from a commodity.
right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Gee, ya think? That’s “precisely” what’s wrong with this entire thread!

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:43 PM

The goal isn’t to change anyone’s mind. It’s to demoralize the other side. It’s what the left does perfectly, no surprise Mittens is employing the same tactics.

angryed on March 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Rich, coming from the resident OWS debris.

antisense on March 7, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Oops, the DNC

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Maybe I am naive. But since no one ever seems to change anybody’s mind around here anyway, why would any national political organization waste money on the kind of juvenile namecalling that often passes for “commentary” here?

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Well, first of all, to shore up the Mitt supporters, to make sure they have a supportive voice…that’s what Manlyrush did, effectively.
So effectively that when I called him out, for days I was ridiculed and was called names similar to what you have done (and say you never do). He finally admitted he was a paid operative, and he and I shared emails for awhile, he was quite good and clever, as is Joana…but then they better be or they wouldn’t get paid.
So it is effective to shore up the Mitt wits. The other is to spread information, that the others can carry on. It gives people like you ammunition you would never have.
It allows the campaign to define, from the internet, their policies and direction.
It also gives them insight as to their weaknesses, and where conservatives have a problem…they knew that his constant attack on Newt was beneficial in Florida, but it ran it’s course and Rick moved quickly up the poles because of that mistake.
And finally, when you have vast sums of money, you market to all corners, and how better to market to conservatives than on HotAir, the bedrock of conservative bloggers.

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 5:45 PM

He finally admitted he was a paid operative, and he and I shared emails for awhile, he was quite good and clever, as is Joana…but then they better be or they wouldn’t get paid.
right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 5:45

Prove it. Linky link time…

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Gee, ya think? That’s “precisely” what’s wrong with this entire thread!

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Well I am sure that if someone wanted to they could twist plain english to explain that what Tina said about Romney wasn’t ‘precisely’ what you think she said.

sharrukin on March 7, 2012 at 5:50 PM

angryed on March 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Rich, coming from the resident OWS debris.

antisense on March 7, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Of course. Anyone who doesn’t love Mittens is part of OWS. You’re giving csdeven a run for her money as most insane Mittbot here.

angryed on March 7, 2012 at 5:50 PM

All the mitt fans refuse to admit that Romney keeps giving the left ammo with his statements. Remember Newt’s “let Medicare whither on the vine” comment taken completely out of context?

Even if Romney’s statement today is taken as you all say it should be, you should question his judgment after watching that nasty, snarky, poseur Obama at the NC truck plant. He made fun of drilling and keeps up with his alternative energy crap.
Mitt: “Obama nice guy, just over his head.” Really? Hate to see if he wasn’t a nice guy.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 5:25 PM

When NonRomney says something that can be damaging when taken out of context, he is stupid and unelectable. When Romney says something that can be damaging when taken out of context, he’s brilliant and nuanced.

Remember the first rule of political campaigning: if you have to explain yourself, you’ve already lost.

Just Sayin on March 7, 2012 at 5:52 PM

I was ridiculed and was called names similar to what you have done (and say you never do).

I know I shouldn’t respond to this kind of bait. But, out of curiosity, what do you consider “calling names”? I refer to myself as a Romney supporter, others as Gingrich and Santorum supporters….I don’t make up stupid, insulting names for the candidates or their backers on this site. How thin-skinned are you?

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:54 PM

juvenile namecalling that often passes for “commentary” here?

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM

What’s amazing is just several minutes before you posted this…doesn’t anyone even know what they post? Where did we get these new posters? Good grief!!

Truly delusional.

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Well I am sure that if someone wanted to they could twist plain english to explain that what Tina said about Romney wasn’t ‘precisely’ what you think she said.
sharrukin on March 7, 2012 at 5:50 PM

OMG. I didn’t “twist” a thing, She said what she said and I quoted her directly. Stating a factual truth, that Presidents cannot “precisely” set gas prices, is not in any way, shape or form the same thing as saying someone is not “responsible” for high gas prices.

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:59 PM

No Romney fan. But this headline is a laughable. And the attempted narrative is amateurish.

kevinkristy on March 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM

I don’t make up stupid, insulting names for the candidates or their backers on this site. How thin-skinned are you?

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Are you serious? I am not thin skinned, just not a type of person to allow fools like you call me names.
It’s amazing that you will call names, and than get offended when someone defends themselves.
I was called a commie…a liberal (you may not think that is an insulting name, I do)…a bigot…racist…not2bright (one that rookies often use)…most any name you can call someone and not get banned, and a few that got them banned…liar…idiot…fool…most of the people who have done that have been hammered and not posting.
But you are fairly typical, call names, and than pretend or “forget” that you do…
You can throw out the “how thin skinned” defense all you want, I have seen it a dozen times by someone who has been caught doing what you do…call them names and than pretend you didn’t.
Notice the example just a few minutes ago?
I really don’t take anything personal…since I know no one would ever say what they post to my face, in person. No one ever has, and never will…so whatever they post, it’s their alter ego, their “Walter Mitty”…you are one of those.

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 6:02 PM

The goal isn’t to change anyone’s mind. It’s to demoralize the other side. It’s what the left does perfectly, no surprise Mittens is employing the same tactics.

angryed on March 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM

And you? What I’ve seen of our GOP – misleading journalism bias here on HA, attacks from Newt because he’s a wealthy capitalist, attacks from Santorum because he pays the same 15% investment tax as everyone else, robo calling liberals to vote for you, the intolerance of his religion etc etc. These are all dirty leftist tactics. Then there’s the drum beat from the ABR crowd to secure the election for Obama because their candidate lost or didn’t bother to run.
Well gee if Mitt is employing these tactics then I guess he really is a Conservative. With a party like this, who needs liberals to demoralize our candidates.

Buttercup on March 7, 2012 at 6:03 PM

OMG. I didn’t “twist” a thing, She said what she said and I quoted her directly.

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:59 PM

I didn’t ‘precisely’ say that you twisted anything. /

You are running around trying to make Romney’s idiocy sound like a ‘precise statement’ when its just idiocy. He gave Obama a pass on being held responsible for gas prices and we all know it.

sharrukin on March 7, 2012 at 6:04 PM

OMG. I didn’t “twist” a thing, She said what she said and I quoted her directly. Stating a factual truth, that Presidents cannot “precisely” set gas prices, is not in any way, shape or form the same thing as saying someone is not “responsible” for high gas prices.

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:59 PM

And as I stated, that was his “escape” word…no one “precisely” sets the prices, no one “precisely” sets stock prices…you would have to be at the gas station to do that.
That is why Romney’s comment is so laughable and foolish…a “tough” guy giving the president a pass…

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 6:07 PM

sharrukin on March 7, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Precisely…

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 6:08 PM

This thread is an example of journalistic malpractice. I’m about ready to boycott Hot Air over this one…

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Agreed. This is the exactly the kind of nonsense you get when you let a 23 year old SoCon with a poster of Rick Santorum over her bed start calling the shots around here.

JFS61 on March 7, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Romney’s biggest problem can be summed up with this as an example. He does not understand how to win this election, which blinds him and his supporters from knowing why he is not a strong candidate for this election.

Saltysam on March 7, 2012 at 6:14 PM

I’m giving Hot Air/ Tina Korbe a chance to apologize for malpractice like this:

In the CNBC interview, Romney went on to point out many of the facts of Obama’s energy policies and noted their detrimental effects. Why the disclaimer that Obama shouldn’t be held responsible for gas prices then?

Romney did not say, imply, hint, wink at, give secret hand signals – nothing – which could in any way be construed to mean “Obama shouldn’t be held responsible for gas prices.”

He said president’s can’t “precisely set them” which is, you know,,,,a true fact.

PS: Gotta love all this Mormon crap. It’s oh so relevant to the topic of energy policy. You’re a bunch of fracking jackasses….

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Calm down. You sound irrational, and I would prefer you sound rational.

thuja on March 7, 2012 at 6:17 PM

The socons are coming, the socons are coming, hide your condons, your hustler mags , and your posters of the Rockerfeller family….

Don L on March 7, 2012 at 6:19 PM

People defending Romney here miss the point. It’s politically foolish to be quoted saying this, regardless of what other criticisms he levied during the interview. The media will simply replay this quote endlessly during the summer. Fools.

SuperBunny on March 7, 2012 at 6:21 PM

In the CNBC interview, Romney went on to point out many of the facts of Obama’s energy policies and noted their detrimental effects. Why the disclaimer that Obama shouldn’t be held responsible for gas prices then?

The answer, Tina, is that he DIDN’T.

cicerone on March 7, 2012 at 6:21 PM

You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.

Somebody needs to fix this crap ASAP. Don’t be like the Daily Caller…

cicerone on March 7, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Rmoney just can’t get this foot in mouth thing straightened out. Unforced errors, thought you Rmoney supporters told me go with Rmoney he’s the greatest. He doesn’t look to pinchy smart sometimes does he?

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Yes, yes he is responsible!

This is part of the problem. Sigh.

Theophile on March 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Well, if not journalistic malpractice, certainly the kind of bias that has no place on what is – or at least used to be – a serious political blog. It’s the kind of post that I would expect from a partisan shill…half-truth, out-of-context, buying into conservative media elite spin that Romney is “gaffe prone” because he speaks sensibly about issues that others demagogue.

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Exactly right. It’s sad to see a blogger who wants to be taken seriously make this kind of mistake. It’s either that she truly can’t tell the difference or that she’s deliberately distorting what Romney said, in the same manner that HuffPo or Daily Kos would.

cicerone on March 7, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Rmoney just can’t get this foot in mouth thing straightened out. Unforced errors, thought you Rmoney supporters told me go with Rmoney he’s the greatest. He doesn’t look to pinchy smart sometimes does he?

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Unforced error? Or ridiculously negative spin by somebody who is supposed to know better and be better than the distortionists on the Left. However, I have to laugh at all the anti-Romney paranoids who like to scoff at his candidacy while they still can’t come up with anyone who seriously compete with him.

cicerone on March 7, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Oh my, looks like I missed one heII of a meltdown on this thread. Funny!

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Oh my, looks like I missed one heII of a meltdown on this thread. Funny!

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 6:31 PM

That’s what happens when Hot Gas starts imitating HuffPo or the Daily Beast. It’s like when Newty began pandering to OWS.

cicerone on March 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Your comment is quite right. Within the context of his comment, there’s no excusal from Ronmey here on Obama energy policy. I hope he gets even tougher on it if he gets the nomination.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM

He doesn’t look to pinchy smart sometimes does he?

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM

I love you. We are obviously related. Elementary Spanish.
One thing I give to the Romney people is stubbornness. Unfortunately they channel it in the wrong direction. I keep hearing how Romney will fight Obama at the right time. He better have some super duper Mormon mind tricks up his sleeve. That is not a slam at Mormons either Mitt fans.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 6:41 PM

That is why Romney’s comment is so laughable and foolish…a “tough” guy giving the president a pass…

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Exactly what I thought about him using the strawman of “precisely”.
No one claimed that the prices could be “precisely” set.

The question is, why did he give Obama the pass?
This is his method of punching him into a corner??..first he said he won’t say anything outrageous about Obama. A couple days later he’s practically making excuses for his policies.

We’re doomed.
I mentioned this the other day. Within a week or two of him securing the nomination he will start reaching across the aisle…maybe give green energy another shot to help save the planet.

Mimzey on March 7, 2012 at 6:46 PM

You know, Barry is doing a pretty swell job over all, I am not sure why anyone would vote for me – Mitt Romney.

rgranger on March 7, 2012 at 6:52 PM

We’re going to lose no matter what. That’s what is so depressing. Mitt cannot beat Obama.

silvernana on March 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Have to disagree. He could beat the stuffing out of Obama but because he has never been in a real fight his entire life and is OK w/big government he won’t.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 5:41 PM

So what exactly are you disagreeing with?

silvernana on March 7, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Calm down. You sound irrational, and I would prefer you sound rational.
thuja on March 7, 2012 at 6:17 PM

What exactly did I say which sounds (or is!) “irrational”? Tina Korbe’s post is “irrational”…

Your comment is quite right. Within the context of his comment, there’s no excusal from Ronmey here on Obama energy policy. I hope he gets even tougher on it if he gets the nomination.
hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Phew. The voice of reason…at last.

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Just wondering … has the left started blaming Mitts yet for higher gas prices?

stukinIL4now on March 7, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Mitt Romney won more votes than the other guys. Mitt Romney will therefore win the nomination and probably the general election. Get over it. Your guys lost. You can grouse all you like, it won’t change a thing. He’s a better campaigner, he makes more sense, he is more presidential, he wins more votes.

writeblock on March 7, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Your comment is quite right. Within the context of his comment, there’s no excusal from Ronmey here on Obama energy policy. I hope he gets even tougher on it if he gets the nomination.
hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Phew. The voice of reason…at last.

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Please, don’t call me the voice of reason here. The Mitt Romney folks will never forgive you.

:-)

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 6:56 PM

But just for the record, I do understand the context of a few of the other commenters also. Sort of dovetails with mine. (About getting tougher) After covering all of factors that President Obama has failed on with domestic energy efforts, (which he did in the video) Mitt Romney determined that President Obama did a poor job in that area. I get the impression commenters like Bmore are just saying, why not go ahead and say he does have an effect and that he’s screwing it up royally.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Why I won’t vote for Obama lite …

tarpon on March 7, 2012 at 7:23 PM

But Palin isn’t damaged goods. She’s as influential as she always was.

Gelsomina on March 7, 2012 at 3:07 PM

I should have left a sarcasm tag, since I was repeating what the mittnots always do to Sarah – cast her in the worse possible light and ignoring the rest of the story. Karmic.

AH_C on March 7, 2012 at 7:23 PM

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Hey, for what it’s worth, I disagree with alomost everything you say, but I have never called you any of the names that you listed. So I guess this isn’t my fight.

But just for the record, I do understand the context of a few of the other commenters also. Sort of dovetails with mine. (About getting tougher) After covering all of factors that President Obama has failed on with domestic energy efforts, (which he did in the video) Mitt Romney determined that President Obama did a poor job in that area. I get the impression commenters like Bmore are just saying, why not go ahead and say he does have an effect and that he’s screwing it up royally.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 7:11 PM

I completely agree with you here. And it bothers me that Mitt can’t get a lttle tougher with his language, but I’m afraid that trying to do it because that’s what will help him “connect” with the Tea Party will just backfire. It really does bother me more that a HA editor would intentionally take his words out of context.

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 7:36 PM

I completely agree with you here. And it bothers me that Mitt can’t get a lttle tougher with his language, but I’m afraid that trying to do it because that’s what will help him “connect” with the Tea Party will just backfire. It really does bother me more that a HA editor would intentionally take his words out of context.

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 7:36 PM

If you’re trying to assert that the editor took the comment out of context intentionally, you don’t completely agree with me. I said quite the opposite.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM

So what exactly are you disagreeing with?

silvernana on March 7, 2012 at 6:56 PM

I guess nothing.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM

I guess nothing.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM

FWIW, your screen name provided me an immense amount of entertainment the other week on a thread if you recall the one. After all that, I would be interested what the significance, if any, there is to you picking that.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 7:47 PM

If you’re trying to assert that the editor took the comment out of context intentionally, you don’t completely agree with me. I said quite the opposite.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Ok, then, I partially agree with you.

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM

But just for the record, I do understand the context of a few of the other commenters also. Sort of dovetails with mine. (About getting tougher) After covering all of factors that President Obama has failed on with domestic energy efforts, (which he did in the video) Mitt Romney determined that President Obama did a poor job in that area. I get the impression commenters like Bmore are just saying, why not go ahead and say he does have an effect and that he’s screwing it up royally.
hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Fine, but that’s an entirely separate issue from conflating “the president can’t precisely set the price at the pump” into “He essentially said the president shouldn’t be held responsible for the high price of gas.” Which was T.K.’s erroneous assertion….

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM

FWIW, your screen name provided me an immense amount of entertainment the other week on a thread if you recall the one. After all that, I would be interested what the significance, if any, there is to you picking that.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Sir, I have no idea why that popped into my head at signup time. I did like Arnold in the show but I probably remember more from Bewitched and Beverly Hillbillies.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM

I understand you point. I understand the point of the article.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM

He’s precisely calibrating his appeal to Jon Huntsman Republicans – that narrow slice of the electorate that has vaguely conservative leanings but is embarrassed to admit it because they live in blue cities. Lot of votes there.

Madness.

HitNRun on March 7, 2012 at 8:02 PM

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 7:58 PM

So, you could have just as easily been Jethro Bodine? That’s funny. Thanks.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 8:03 PM

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 7:58 PM

So, you could have just as easily been Jethro Bodine? That’s funny. Thanks.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Hey, that’s my “throwdown” name at the bars.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 8:04 PM

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Hey, that’s my “throwdown” name at the bars.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 8:04 PM

And if Larry Tate even registers you’ll know Hawkdriver finally made a sockpuppet for himself.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 8:09 PM

And if Larry Tate even registers you’ll know Hawkdriver finally made a sockpuppet for himself.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 8:09 PM

OK, two questions. Why generally are aviation officers much more decent individuals than earthbound saps?

Who did you think was better looking—Samantha or Genie?

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 8:10 PM

OK, two questions. Why generally are aviation officers much more decent individuals than earthbound saps?

Who did you think was better looking—Samantha or Genie?

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 8:10 PM

1. Jeanie by a hair.
2. I’m not sure that we’re “more decent individuals.” If we’re talking about my fellow former branches while active, I’ve always regarded myself as an extension of the power of the infantry and artillery. We exist for one reason and one reason only and that’s to serve as a combat multiplier for them. If you’re talking about why we try to be nice in general. It is probably because we know everything that can go wrong with a helicopter and many of us believe in instant karma.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 8:33 PM

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 8:33 PM

From an enlisted standpoint our aviation officers esp. the Warrants were more approachable and just fun. When I was put in an infantry unit after being in aviation there was a world of difference both in the enlisted as well as most of the officers.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 8:36 PM

John McCain without the war record…

Machismo on March 7, 2012 at 8:46 PM

From an enlisted standpoint our aviation officers esp. the Warrants were more approachable and just fun. When I was put in an infantry unit after being in aviation there was a world of difference both in the enlisted as well as most of the officers.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Most are former enlisted. I was an NCO on CH47C Models before I when to Flight School. I’m going to tell you a Commissioned Officer joke about Warrant Officers and then we should probably stop thread jacking.

The Commanding General of the 82ND goes into Willies, the bar in the Ft. Bragg O-Club for an afternoon drink and immediately notices a CW2 sitting at the bar in his one-piece flight suit half unzipped. He’s drinking beer and making time with the waitress. The young warrant is oblivious to him until he looks in that direction and sees the General staring at him. He’s a bit uncomfortable but goes back to his fastrope attempt on the pretty lady working there. He looks back to see the general still just staring at him and the warrant finally say, “Let me guess Sir, you’re mad because I get lots of flight pay and you’d like to take it back.”

The general says, “Oh no no no, Son, you earn your flight pay. It’s your base pay I’d like to take back.”

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 8:48 PM

“went” to flight school.

(You can see they aren’t too concerned if you’re not an English major)

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 9:01 PM

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Thx. for your story. As far as thread jackin I think this one was pretty much done anyway. Maybe Mitt will get reawy angwy tomowo towards Obama.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Thx. for your story. As far as thread jackin I think this one was pretty much done anyway. Maybe Mitt will get reawy angwy tomowo towards Obama.

arnold ziffel on March 7, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Can I ask what your MOS was?

hawkdriver on March 7, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Rush isn’t trying to convince people to vote for him. Romney is and it doesn’t help to give your opponent a soundbite cover.

The media is dishonest and lies. You think they’re going to make it easy for people to find out the whole quote?

Why do people willfully want to forget this???? Romney’s entire message should only be “Obama’s an idiot, raised your gas prices, increased your debt and increased unemployment”. He doesn’t need to say anything else.

kim roy on March 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Rush says he is trying to position for himself so he can advocate for whomever the Republican candidate is. His words undermined his own triangulation. For someone claiming to be in literalville, he doesn’t sound like one.

The Media will come out against any Republican candidate, lie, smear, distort. That is a given. So why do you do it to?

Who has injured Romney more? The Democrats, or TruPopulists?

antisense on March 7, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Maybe that’s why he apologized. *shrug*

Having said that, I repeat that Rush isn’t looking for votes, Romney is. Romney has no control over what anyone says and can remind people of such.

I don’t hold Obama responsible for what Maher says when Maher isn’t in the president’s presence. That’s just silly.

Romney can also remind people that there are more pressing things to talk about than what a talk radio bloviator has to say.

Which is what he should be doing, not giving away free sound bites.

kim roy on March 7, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Fool me once…

Decoski on March 7, 2012 at 10:01 PM

writeblock on March 7, 2012 at 7:00 PM

That’s what you people said about McCain. Apparently, you don’t learn.

Decoski on March 7, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Maybe I am naive. But since no one ever seems to change anybody’s mind around here anyway, why would any national political organization waste money on the kind of juvenile namecalling that often passes for “commentary” here?

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM

The goal isn’t to change anyone’s mind. It’s to demoralize the other side. It’s what the left does perfectly, no surprise Mittens is employing the same tactics.

angryed on March 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Yup, negative campaigning 101. Make your political opponents feel that their views are weird and extreme, make them feel bad, make them ashamed to support their particular candidate, give up, and go home. Don’t let anyone tell you it doesn’t work. This is pretty much exactly how Romney has won most of his primaries. Look at the coordinated effort to frighten Tina into no longer reporting Romney’s gaffes.

The specific reason why these remarks are being so vigorously supported is because one of the carefully crafted myths made to protect Romney is that he is intelligent. He belies this every single time he opens his mouth. Remember that one of the things that killed Perry was that his supporters decided he was too dumb. There is the danger of the same thing happening with Romney, who is pumping out at least one major gaffe a week now.

For anyone who is also really tired of the Romney shills, I did a little research the other day when I was bored. I went through all the non election stories. I found that in any thread on Hot Air that day that wasn’t about the election, there were a total of five comments from the usual suspects. They don’t comment on those threads because that is not why they are here. They don’t care about policy, the country, current events, or anything except coming on these Romney threads to defend him from anyone who says anything not complimentary of Romney.

Night Owl on March 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM

I think there are a few like Jailbreak and Bluegill who are actually Obama people dispatched here to make people hate Romney.

I saw your comment above about leaving the party. I’ll vote for anyone to get Obama out but if Mitt is the nominee and we lose, I’m hoping a strong conservative third party will rise up with Palin, Walker, or someone of similar intergrity and backbone as the standard bearer. I don’t think we’ll survive in our current form under a 2nd Obama term, but one silver lining will be the forever shattering of the myth that you need a moderate to win. If the GOP can’t win this presidential election against the worst president in history, then they are finished.

Kataklysmic on March 7, 2012 at 4:54 PM

I’ve noticed the lack of Romney supporters (or people who later became Romney supporters) in non-Romney threads too since before I registered. Most of these people seem to be here primarily to bash/vent about their loathing of the Tea Party and support Republicans when they do things like increase spending. Should a theoretical Romney presidency begin with something like tax increases, you can bet these people will be front and center shilling for it and talking about how “Conservatives need to be willing to pay for the debt if they want cuts!” and other such baloney. We’ve already heard some of this coming from RomneyCare/ObamaCare supporters.

As for them being paid DNC operatives, we may or may not have one or two. But the majority of these people are really just like that. Look at the “behind the scenes” articles from Politico. Most of the Republican leadership now clearly thinks along the same lines as the posters you cited and are indistinguishable from Democrats. Most are just more diplomatic about it. I’ve now become convinced we’re going to have to have conservative third party and work to discredit and bring down the Republican Party.

Doomberg on March 7, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Prove it. Linky link time…

Buy Danish on March 7, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Missed, so if I come up with the link, from two years ago, which will be some effort…than I need something in return.
How about, since you are so smug about it not being true (or else there would be no challenge), if I come up with the actual post where he stated that, you don’t post for 90 days.
Deal?

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Hey, for what it’s worth, I disagree with alomost everything you say, but I have never called you any of the names that you listed. So I guess this isn’t my fight.

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 7:36 PM

You don’t have much integrity do you…you will just lie, even when your posts are so evident.
This is what I mean about just ignoring what you post…

And Joana and others are Mitt sponsored and not serious posters but paid shills…the RNC had them here last year (Manlyrush was one), and I am sure the DNC have them, as well as the “raw raw” RNC and certainly Mitt pacs.

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Truly delusional.

Priscilla on March 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM

I even pointed this out before…It is almost unbelievable how brash you are, how easy it is for you to lie…good grief, I state that you name call, you state you never do, and than you do all within minutes of each other, than try to claim you never have.
Unbelievable…have you no shame? Oh wait, your a Mitt supporter of course you have no shame about lying…

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 11:38 PM

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