Romney locking up the Catholic vote in Ohio

posted at 9:55 am on March 6, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Yet another poll – this one from CNN/ORC International – indicates that the closely watched Ohio primary is going to come down to the wire, with Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum in what is effectively a statistical tie. The D/R/I split doesn’t really come into the picture on this one for our purposes, as it’s sampling just registered Republican voters for the key issue questions involved. But one demographic cut of this particular survey holds a surprise for some observers.

“The surprise is that the Catholic candidate, Santorum, is losing the Catholic vote,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “Among Ohio Catholics who are likely to vote on Super Tuesday, 39% back Romney compared to 33% who support Santorum. Santorum has an advantage among Protestants by a 35%-to-29% margin.”

Romney’s advantage among Catholics is within the sampling error. Last week exit polls in neighboring Michigan indicated Romney had an advantage with Catholic voters in that state as well. Both Michigan and Ohio have sizeable Catholic populations.

Catholics have been in the news a lot of late, particularly with the HHS mandate sucking the air out of the room far too often. Combine that with Cardinal Timothy Dolan calling on all good Catholic soldiers to go to war in a freedom of religion battle, and there’s certainly some gravitational pull out there for establishing a unified front. And if that were the case, who do you think Catholic voters might line up with?

Rick Santorum is not only a Catholic himself but has been out there on the front lines of that particular issue on nearly every campaign stop. And yet, somehow, Mitt is carrying the Catholic vote in the Buckeye State. How do we explain this and what sort of lesson can we take away?

First, the “Mormon Problem” obviously isn’t as much of a problem as some were hinting at last year. Primary voters seem to be evaluating each candidate on their own merits, not by pigeonhole demographics. But even more than that, we once again see the folly of trying to predict voter reactions based on labels. You can no more define what “a Catholic voter” will do than you can say “what Hispanic voters think.” Everyone is setting their own priorities.

And for that matter, voters may well be seeing both Romney and Santorum as being solid on the religious liberty front and looking further down their list of priorities to make a choice. And the poll also shows that electability is high on the list of reasons given for making a choice, and Romney is still winning that battle, albeit by a slim margin.


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What can be drawn from this? Catholics like mandates? Yes, I think so.

In all seriousness, buckle up, kiddies. Romney’s going to be raking in the delegates tonight.

MeatHeadinCA on March 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Electrongod?

Bmore on March 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM

watching them tear him and his religion up, down, and sideways shall be delicious fun when he gets the nom.

GhoulAid on March 6, 2012 at 9:59 AM

With the threads being so screwy, did you post first or did Electrongod? Will HA ever get this fixed?

Bmore on March 6, 2012 at 10:01 AM

I never even saw EG’s post… Are we still jumping around in time, or just adding/deleting posts at random?

MeatHeadinCA on March 6, 2012 at 10:01 AM

MeatHeadinCA on March 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM

With the threads being so screwy, did you post first or did Electrongod? Will HA ever get this fixed?

Bmore on March 6, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Nope. We’re jumping still…

MeatHeadinCA on March 6, 2012 at 10:01 AM

More likely its that to the “average” catholic Santorums views are extreme.Most of us believe that the bible is more allegorical and not to be taken as exactly word for word.

gerrym51 on March 6, 2012 at 10:01 AM

First, the “Mormon Problem” obviously isn’t as much of a problem as some were hinting at last year. Primary voters seem to be evaluating each candidate on their own merits, not by pigeonhole demographics.

I hope you’re right, Jazz. Otherwise it would say something very ugly about American politics. And the American people.

Religious bigotry belongs on the left. Let’s let the Bill Maher’s and Richard Dawkins’ own it.

rogaineguy on March 6, 2012 at 10:02 AM

At least the pope won’t be telling Romney what to do.

Akzed on March 6, 2012 at 10:03 AM

This is exactly the kind of crap I’m talking about. Leave it to the leftists to sink to these depths.

rogaineguy on March 6, 2012 at 10:03 AM

At least the pope won’t be telling Romney what to do.

Akzed on March 6, 2012 at 10:03 AM

More likely its that to the “average” catholic Santorums views are extreme.Most of us believe that the bible is more allegorical and not to be taken as exactly word for word.

gerrym51 on March 6, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Sort of like Romney and the Constitution.

MeatHeadinCA on March 6, 2012 at 10:04 AM

How do we explain this and what sort of lesson can we take away?

That Catholics don’t like it when you tell them that JFK makes you vomit?

-Wasteland Man.

WastelandMan on March 6, 2012 at 10:04 AM

First, the “Mormon Problem” obviously isn’t as much of a problem as some were hinting at last year. Primary voters seem to be evaluating each candidate on their own merits, not by pigeonhole demographics.

I hope it’s not a problem. The wife has a coworker who claims to be a conservative Republican(and we live in Texas, so I’m inclined to believe her) and insisted that she believes Mormonism is a cult and she’d never vote for Romney. Granted, this woman’s a real pain in the @ss and attention hog, so maybe she’s just saying this to feel high and mighty. I just hope she’s not echoing the sentiments of others out there.

Doughboy on March 6, 2012 at 10:04 AM

The all see that Sanitorium would be creamed in the general.

Second (for me) look at Newtron? Yes

Kermit on March 6, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Electrongod?

Bmore on March 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Yo.

Electrongod on March 6, 2012 at 10:06 AM

The wife has a coworker who claims to be a conservative Republican(and we live in Texas, so I’m inclined to believe her) and insisted that she believes Mormonism is a cult and she’d never vote for Romney.

A lot of evangelicals hold this point of view, but this is the least of Romney’s problems with the “true conservatives” that his supporters constantly dump on.

MeatHeadinCA on March 6, 2012 at 10:09 AM

…Hang in there Newt !!!…
(:>)

KOOLAID2 on March 6, 2012 at 10:09 AM

And for that matter, voters may well be seeing both Romney and Santorum as being solid on the religious liberty front and looking further down their list of priorities to make a choice.

Considering that the current occupant of the White House has no faith to speak of (six appearances at a church in three years and they were all photo-ops); I think any GOP candidate grounded in a faith gets to avoid the Mormon v. leftist evangelical wars going on in 2008 when Huckabee decided that a Mormon couldn’t be President and went out after Romney on those grounds.

Happy Nomad on March 6, 2012 at 10:09 AM

They want a president, not a priest in the oval office.

Jailbreak on March 6, 2012 at 10:10 AM

I couldn’t agree more.

Kick the Preacher Obama out of the White House!

Electrongod on March 6, 2012 at 10:09 AM

I never claimed my fellow Catholics were smart.
As for the Mormon thing…I could vote for a Mormon, just not this one.

swinia sutki on March 6, 2012 at 10:10 AM

That Catholics don’t like it when you tell them that JFK makes you vomit?

-Wasteland Man.

WastelandMan on March 6, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Agreed. Also, Catholics may not like the idea of a president telling them to not use birth control even if they are married. IF they want that message, they can get it in church. They want a president, not a priest in the oval office.

Jailbreak on March 6, 2012 at 10:10 AM

I feel like I have Stockholm Syndrome so I really don’t care who wins the primary. We’ll be stuck supporting whoever ends up the candidate. That said, I’m certain that Romney does not have the Catholic vote. He has the vote of people who are self-described Catholics. These are the cafeteria Catholics that attend Church when they choose and follow the parts of the faith they like. Everything else is left behind.

They are nothing more than Pelosi-lite Catholics. For anyone to pretend otherwise is foolish.

I’m a Evangelical Protestant and I know as much. I’m surprised Jazz that you’d write a post claiming anything less.

njrob on March 6, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Has Eric Cantor been dumping on you?

Rusty Allen on March 6, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Santorum was born in Winchester, VA.
Santorum lives in Leesburg, VA.
Santorum must quit if he doesn’t win his home state of VA.

crash72 on March 6, 2012 at 10:14 AM

All of our favorite band. Pink Floyd.

hawkdriver on March 6, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Progressive Mitt Romney……

Hello Thurston Howell III……the stupid party strikes again.

Barbara Bush approves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwA3AJPWphQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

PappyD61 on March 6, 2012 at 10:16 AM

At least the pope won’t be telling Romney what to do. / Akzed on March 6, 2012 at 10:03 AM

This is exactly the kind of crap I’m talking about. Leave it to the leftists to sink to these depths.

rogaineguy on March 6, 2012 at 10:03 AM

How’s that? Sorry I forgot to account for your lack of whatever you lack.

Akzed on March 6, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Anti-Mormon bigotry is a problem with Evangelicals, not Roman Catholics. Catholics are a fairly laid-back and tolerant bunch when it comes to other religions, perhaps because they have been the subject of religious bigotry themselves in the not too distant past. Example: this famous cartoon.

Bartrams Garden on March 6, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Catholics tend to be more tolerant of Mormonism.

writeblock on March 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM

I feel like I have Stockholm Syndrome so I really don’t care who wins the primary. We’ll be stuck supporting whoever ends up the candidate. That said, I’m certain that Romney does not have the Catholic vote. He has the vote of people who are self-described Catholics. These are the cafeteria Catholics that attend Church when they choose and follow the parts of the faith they like. Everything else is left behind.

They are nothing more than Pelosi-lite Catholics. For anyone to pretend otherwise is foolish.

njrob on March 6, 2012 at 10:11 AM

He’s always had the votes of the Jetboy crowd. And for obvious reasons. Cafeteria Catholics indeed.

platypus on March 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Geez, I was the only one voting at 8:30 am today. Of course, I’m in Toledo, but with the newly drawn districts it’s going to come down to whether I’m going to be represented by either Marcy Kaptur or Dennis Kucinich.

bangs head on desk

Being an independent, I took an issues only ballot.

rbj on March 6, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Anti-Mormon bigotry is a problem with Evangelicals, not Roman Catholics. Catholics are a fairly laid-back and tolerant bunch when it comes to other religions, perhaps because they have been the subject of religious bigotry themselves in the not too distant past. Example: this famous cartoon.

Bartrams Garden on March 6, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Um, there’s more to that story; but do we really need to have another Mormon v Evangelical v Catholic v Mainline Protestant thread?

MeatHeadinCA on March 6, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Catholics tend to be more tolerant of Mormonism.

writeblock on March 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Are Mormons allowed to participate in the RCC’s communion?

MeatHeadinCA on March 6, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Didn’t the majority of Catholic nuns and priests and lay Catholoics vote for Obama in 2008?? It’s like they are hybrid Catholics or CINO’s.

gracie on March 6, 2012 at 10:23 AM

MeathHeadinCA: agreed, we do not. Ima preach peace.

Bartrams Garden on March 6, 2012 at 10:24 AM

“Among Ohio Catholics who are likely to vote on Super Tuesday, 39% back Romney compared to 33% who support Santorum. Santorum has an advantage among Protestants by a 35%-to-29% margin.”

Catholics are serious about defeating ObaMao in November.

cicerone on March 6, 2012 at 10:25 AM

People have been told he is electable by strong conservative media personalities,even if most say Newt can make a good case against Obama, his knowledge in every issue cannot be matched but can he win the primary? This is what I heard from ppl around me when I attanded our Caucus.
Mitt donated for all the people that are so strongly promoting him either to their campaign or promoted their books so there is financial help, so ppl listen to them and trust them to be on the safe side and choose Mr. Electable.

evergreenland on March 6, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Are Mormons allowed to participate in the RCC’s communion?

MeatHeadinCA on March 6, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Non-Catholics of any religion cannot participate in communion, because they are not ‘in communion’ with the Church.

Lightswitch on March 6, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Yo.

Electrongod on March 6, 2012 at 10:06 AM

I was trying a first! on your behalf. How on earth are we expected to play this game with this site problem? You won’t read this or this.

Bmore on March 6, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Are Mormons allowed to participate in the RCC’s communion?

MeatHeadinCA on March 6, 2012 at 10:23 AM

That’s not an issue of “tolerance” but belief. It’s assumed that a Mormon doesn’t share a Catholic’s beliefs concerning the sacraments. So why should a Mormon then get to take communion?

cicerone on March 6, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Catholics aren’t Evangelicals; of course they don’t hate Mormons. Evangelical voters only means voters who are pro-life, pro-marriage and bitter hate their Mormon neighbors.

Crefonso on March 6, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Anti-Mormon bigotry is a problem with Evangelicals, not Roman Catholics. Catholics are a fairly laid-back and tolerant bunch when it comes to other religions, perhaps because they have been the subject of religious bigotry themselves in the not too distant past. Example: this famous cartoon.

THIS

UT Cowboy on March 6, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Exactly right.

cicerone on March 6, 2012 at 10:28 AM

It’s a mistake to think all Catholic think alike. Those with a “Mormon” problem would probably also align themselves with Santorum’s brand of very conservative Catholicism, but that’s a rather small segment of all Catholics. There are also liberal Catholics, who have probably been the most obvious at the poll over the years, but who appear to be in decline of late. Then you have the C&E (Christmas & Easter) Catholics, people who self identify as Catholic but don’t follow the Church’s precepts closely. Who knows what they’re thinking, but we do know there are a lot of them.

Faith may be playing a role in some Catholics’ thinking on this, but I suspect it’s a minor role for most of us.

Dee2008 on March 6, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Geez, I was the only one voting at 8:30 am today. Of course, I’m in Toledo, but with the newly drawn districts it’s going to come down to whether I’m going to be represented by either Marcy Kaptur or Dennis Kucinich.

bangs head on desk

Being an independent, I took an issues only ballot.

rbj on March 6, 2012 at 10:21 AM

My polling place was empty when I drove by, and a few co-workers said they were the only (or one of two) folks in their polling locations before work this morning. I’m not going until tonight.

tdpwells on March 6, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Anti-Mormon bigotry is a problem with Evangelicals, not Roman Catholics. Catholics are a fairly laid-back and tolerant bunch when it comes to other religions, perhaps because they have been the subject of religious bigotry themselves in the not too distant past. Example: this famous cartoon.

THIS

UT Cowboy on March 6, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Santorum was born in Winchester, VA.
Santorum lives in Leesburg, VA.
Santorum must quit if he doesn’t win his home state of VA.

crash72 on March 6, 2012 at 10:14 AM

That is pretty damned stupid since you know he isn’t on the VA ballot. Or do you think everybody but you is stupid enough not to know what is going on outside our own immediate worlds?

Depending on the results tonight the case can be made about which candidates should drop out but don’t be so stupid.

Happy Nomad on March 6, 2012 at 10:29 AM

I read an article last week that said that Santorum was like the annoying Catholic in every parish that everyone loved to hate.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 6, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Newt not voting in primary because he’s not on the ballot in VA. You would think he would have figured all of this out earlier, being our nation’s most famous historian and all. “I would like to encourage young people everywhere to come out and vote, but not me, because only Ron Paul and Mitt Romney are on the ballot.”

Rusty Allen on March 6, 2012 at 10:30 AM

I think the mormon problem will be with the Democrats. When/if Romney is nominated mormons will become the butt of everybody’s joke on SNL etc. I anticipate lots of nastiness from Bill Maher. The family Guy will do a “mormon” episode and Chris Matthews will say lots of offesive stuff while spraying spit.

Its ironic because liberals wondered about Republicans excepting a mormon. I have already seen it on the blogs in the comments by the oppostition from the truth collective. Stuff like “Mormon cult” and “weird” as well as references to “sister wives”.

One good thing about a long primary is the Democrats have to spread their attacks around. They cannot yet devote all of their power to one person. No matter who the Republican nominee is they will be attacked.

magicbeans on March 6, 2012 at 10:30 AM

I was trying a first! on your behalf. How on earth are we expected to play this game with this site problem? You won’t read this or this.

Bmore on March 6, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Thanks..:)

10:30AM

Electrongod on March 6, 2012 at 10:30 AM

What we can learn from this is: Catholics are not Evangelicals. Yes, who could have known this?

Evangelicals are breaking for Santorum. Do you want to know why? They hate Mormons and think it is a cult with Satan as the head. All of my Evangelical friends in Tulsa are voting for Santorum due to his very reason: Abortion is their only issue and Romney is a Mormon.

Lesson: Evangelicals are not Catholics. Catholics are not fanatics and are not focused on Abortion as their only issue. Evangelicals on the other hand Abortion trumps every other issue. As a matter of fact there is no other issue.

Lesson finished for today.

uhangtight on March 6, 2012 at 10:31 AM

They want a president, not a priest in the oval office.

Jailbreak on March 6, 2012 at 10:10 AM

I couldn’t agree more.

Kick the Preacher Obama out of the White House!

Electrongod on March 6, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Did you agree before or after Jailbreak said it? These threads are like deja vu all over again.

Bmore on March 6, 2012 at 10:31 AM

He has the vote of people who are self-described Catholics. These are the cafeteria Catholics that attend Church when they choose and follow the parts of the faith they like. Everything else is left behind.

They are nothing more than Pelosi-lite Catholics. For anyone to pretend otherwise is foolish.

I’m a Evangelical Protestant and I know as much. I’m surprised Jazz that you’d write a post claiming anything less.

njrob on March 6, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Or, maybe we’re the true conservatives who can appreciate that this election is not going to turn on contraception. We realize that another 4 years of Obama hurts the cause much more than whatever amount of daylight there is between Rick and Mitt on these issues that you claim that we don’t care about.

The Count on March 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Want to know how the fix is in for romneycare. take a look at this, something you’ll never see on the romneycare news network AKA Fox news

*All GOP primaries pushed up a month, so Romneycare money advantages have advantage. This started in Florida by Romneycare supporters
*Romneycare loses Iowa caucuses to santorium, however called the winner on election night so he has momentum going into NH. Santorium quietly announced winner three weeks later.
*After Santorium blows out Romneycare in three states, the next caucus maine, where only Romneycare & paul contested, romneycare is announced the winner w/only 95% of the vote counted and a small lead of 192 votes. The county not voting was a paul stronghold.
*The michigan delegate total was 15 to 15 between romneycare and santorium based on pre voting quidelines. After the vote,romneycare supporters changed the rules so the delegate totals became romneycare 16 santorium 14.
*Gingrich and Santorium have been prevented from being on the virginia ballot. The romneycare supporter, who checks signatures based on independent opinions used incredibly high standards to throw their signees out.
*Santorium & Gingich might win Ohio & tenneness tonite yet won’t get proper delegates because establishment has not qualified their signatures in many congressional districts.

You could have a scenario tonite where romneycare recieves more than 60% of the 440 delegates tonite where if candidates were on all the ballots he would recieve 35% of delegates.

The fix is in, the establishment is forcing romneycare on us. YOUR VOTE IS BEING STOLEN FROM YOU BY THOSE TOOLS IN THE BELTWAY!

Danielvito on March 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Ironically for the Evangelicals, Santorum was pro-choice. So much for that misconception. (no pun intended)

scotash on March 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM

My polling place was empty when I drove by, and a few co-workers said they were the only (or one of two) folks in their polling locations before work this morning. I’m not going until tonight.

tdpwells on March 6, 2012 at 10:29 AM

I was the first (and only one) at my polling place at 6am this morning. Not really a surprise. VA’s Republican primary ballot only has two names and my precinct isn’t exactly what you would call fertile ground for the GOP.

Happy Nomad on March 6, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Santorum was born in Winchester, VA.
Santorum lives in Leesburg, VA.
Santorum must quit if he doesn’t win his home state of VA.

crash72 on March 6, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Good point by the way. Worth repeating.

scotash on March 6, 2012 at 10:35 AM

How do we explain this and what sort of lesson can we take away?

ED

I explained this yesterday.

It’s about the freaking economy!

It’s not a religious litmus test! Social issues will not carry Ohio in the fall! If you might lose your house, or are scrambling to pay your bills, mandates are not priority one!

Santorum willingly goes along at every opportunity to talk about any issue put on the plate!

When Rick laid out his economic plan a month ago, he owned the state. Since then, he got massively sidetracked. You can’t go to OH and talk economy, but then play the social issues game on national cable.

Any social issues talk has to be in service of its effect on a person’s wallet and the economy. Once it moves into morals, the majority does not want to hear it because we are not a financially sound position to start waxing poetic about intangibles.

budfox on March 6, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Catholics are serious about defeating ObaMao in November.
cicerone on March 6, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Remind the nuns and priests of that who turned out for him in 2008. And how’s about the Nancy Pelosi’s and Joe Biden’s of which ther are beaucoup!

gracie on March 6, 2012 at 10:36 AM

That said, I’m certain that Romney does not have the Catholic vote. He has the vote of people who are self-described Catholics. These are the cafeteria Catholics that attend Church when they choose and follow the parts of the faith they like. Everything else is left behind.

They are nothing more than Pelosi-lite Catholics. For anyone to pretend otherwise is foolish.

As a practicing, Orthodox Catholic you are correct…too many “self described” Catholics are poorly formed in their understanding of their faith, as reflected in their support for any number of public polices that run counter to Church teaching. This is just another unfortunate impact of the hijacking of the Vatican II reforms by liberal elements within the American Church. Thankfully this is slowly being reversed and the Church’s bold rebuff of Obama on the HHS mandate is the most recent example.

Anti-Mormon bigotry is a problem with Evangelicals, not Roman Catholics. Catholics are a fairly laid-back and tolerant bunch when it comes to other religions, perhaps because they have been the subject of religious bigotry themselves in the not too distant past

Most Catholics know precious little about their own faith let alone Mormonism…I am convinced that the Obama strategy if Mittens is the nomimee will be to just tell the truth about Mormon beliefs…most of which will surprise the Christian electorate in general and Catholics in particular. Atheists won’t care since they think all people of faith are wackey, but the more Christians know about Mormonism the more they may question the judgement of a Presidential candidate who is a firm believer…

ironmarshal on March 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Ironically for the Evangelicals, Santorum was pro-choice. So much for that misconception. (no pun intended)

scotash on March 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Governor Romney never was pro-choice though. He’s been much clearer on the subject.

hawkdriver on March 6, 2012 at 10:38 AM

As Sandra Fluke and Mother Theresa have shown the world -there are women and there are other women. There are also “catholics” and there are other “Catholics”

The Catholic vote in Connecticut is 55% for Obama. (Lose sheep running wild into the willing arms of the big bad wolf?)

Where are the shepherds? The USCCB is busy chasing Godless Caesar for big government healthcare and charity?)It wasn’t the little man in the pews that funded Acorn and Obama’s last election.

I’m sure that Ohio has its share of non-church-going, haven’t seen a confessional in years,”Catholics”that have no idea of the fundamental teachings of their faith, or only wear it as a cloak of purity -if someone should ask.

This man Oromney was an ardent pro-abortion Politician(I could care what he says now-he’s unprincipled, and still defends giant government mandates which oppose the very Catholic “principle of subsidiarity” (one the big healthcare loving Bishops have apparently forgotten-to their own demise)

Don L on March 6, 2012 at 10:39 AM

As soon as Mitt gets the nom. watch him move to the left to get the Ind. vote and it will be MA governor all over again. But it will be too late for another candidate so it will be 2008 all over again.
Thank you GOP for being so consistent.

evergreenland on March 6, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Santorum must quit if he doesn’t win his home state of VA.
crash72 on March 6, 2012 at 10:14 AM

He’s not on the ballot or is that you point?

gracie on March 6, 2012 at 10:40 AM

More and more, Santorum is reminding me of the parishioner who gasps and shakes his head because I laughed after eating a cheeseburger during Lent because I forgot it was Friday.

redmama on March 6, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Hmmmmmmmmmmm …
The “New Order” Catholic Church is sucking hind teat – again.
Sadly, most “Catholics”, and hell, the general population at large, have absolutely no idea what Willard Romney holds to be true, his guide.

“Bring’em Up’ Young” would be proud of his “bishop”.
(to be sure, i doubt that mittens would govern from his throne on another planet)
The Left-leaning, whacked-out, finger-in-the-wind, “saint” aint no panacea.
(only on another plant unbeknownst to them)

And we, the real Holy Roman Catholic Church don’t preach politics and disparage others, per se, nor do they proclaim others are leading us down the Garden of Eden path. Baptists have that distinction.

Newt/Perry – 2012: J. Bolton Sec’y State, Duncan Hunter SecDef.
There is still hope – and, er – change!
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on March 6, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Sorry, I meant Jazz

Apologies to Ed.

budfox on March 6, 2012 at 10:41 AM

This is the product of the CNN polling director, for catssake. This tells you everything you need to know about the integrity of the polling process, and the intent of the poll.

Scriptor on March 6, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Anti-Mormon bigotry is a problem with Evangelicals, not Roman Catholics.

This reads as if somebody has an anti-Evangelical bigotry problem.

Scriptor on March 6, 2012 at 10:45 AM

As soon as Mitt gets the nom. watch him move to the left to get the Ind. vote and it will be MA governor all over again. But it will be too late for another candidate so it will be 2008 all over again.
Thank you GOP for being so consistent.

evergreenland on March 6, 2012 at 10:39 AM

I agree with you up to a point. I’m still thinking he’ll win because people know at this point he couldn’t possibly be worse than President Downgrade. His VP will be key. and his SOS. and can we put in Ryan as the Fed chairman? Can we make Issa as the Attorney General? that’d be FUN!

redmama on March 6, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Most Catholics know precious little about their own faith let alone Mormonism…I am convinced that the Obama strategy if Mittens is the nomimee will be to just tell the truth about Mormon beliefs…most of which will surprise the Christian electorate in general and Catholics in particular. Atheists won’t care since they think all people of faith are wackey, but the more Christians know about Mormonism the more they may question the judgement of a Presidential candidate who is a firm believer…

ironmarshal on March 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM

The majority of Mormon/LDS Belief is the exact same as Catholic/Evangelical/Christian belief. There are a few minor differences. And yes, the few items that get thrown around that are actually true (unlike the majority of them which are FALSE) are minor when 90% of the beliefs are the exact same.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 6, 2012 at 10:45 AM

This reads as if somebody has an anti-Evangelical bigotry problem.

Scriptor on March 6, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Bottom line: everyone is bigoted against those who don’t have their own beliefs. Religion is a perfect example of that. DUH.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 6, 2012 at 10:46 AM

It’s about the freaking economy!

It’s not a religious litmus test! Social issues will not carry Ohio in the fall! If you might lose your house, or are scrambling to pay your bills, mandates are not priority one!

You’re right to a point…if the ecnomy was the only thing that people were concerned about Santorum would still be in single digits…but his rise and continued strength is a reflection that a significant number of people are just as concerned about the decline of the culture and understand there is a relationship between the two. I think the dual economic/social approach is a winner in November but it’s got to be articulated better than Santorum has been able to do…I think Newt could have been a better messenger but his baggage is too deep and his personality too troublesome, which is why Santorum has eclipsed him…

ironmarshal on March 6, 2012 at 10:47 AM

magicbeans on March 6, 2012 at 10:30 AM

I agree with you. The democrats are the ones who will hammer the Mormon issue. If Romney is the nominee, I hope he’s prepared for that.

Lightswitch on March 6, 2012 at 10:48 AM

*Gingrich and Santorium have been prevented from being on the virginia ballot.

Danielvito on March 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Actually, instead of getting on the ballot of his home state, Rick was “driving his pickup through the cornfields of Iowa.”

Newt, whose home state is also VA for the last 34 years, was on a Greek cruise.

No one was prevented from the ballot. Note, even Ron Paul succeeded.

Can’t run a campaign.
Can’t win your home state.
Can’t be president.

crash72 on March 6, 2012 at 10:48 AM

The majority of Mormon/LDS Belief is the exact same as Catholic/Evangelical/Christian belief. There are a few minor differences. And yes, the few items that get thrown around that are actually true (unlike the majority of them which are FALSE) are minor when 90% of the beliefs are the exact same.

Where to start with this ignorant dribble…let’s deal with a basic issue…Mormon’s are Arians (look it up if this is new to you) they do not believe in the divinity of Jesus. Case closed…what else have you got?

ironmarshal on March 6, 2012 at 10:50 AM

He’s not on the ballot or is that you point?

gracie on March 6, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Newt and Santorum continuously said that if Mitt couldn’t even win his “home state of WI”, then he must quit the race.

I want Newt and Santorum to man up and live by their own standards.

crash72 on March 6, 2012 at 10:50 AM

*MI

crash72 on March 6, 2012 at 10:50 AM

That’s not an issue of “tolerance” but belief. It’s assumed that a Mormon doesn’t share a Catholic’s beliefs concerning the sacraments. So why should a Mormon then get to take communion?

cicerone on March 6, 2012 at 10:27 AM

This is more or less the same view Evangelicals take when it comes to Mormons. They don’t believe Mormons are “real Christians.” So is this intolerant? Yes, to some extent.

But, Catholicism has it’s own intolerance – is that such a bad thing? I don’t see the point in belonging to an overly tolerant religion.

MeatHeadinCA on March 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM

I agree with you. The democrats are the ones who will hammer the Mormon issue. If Romney is the nominee, I hope he’s prepared for that.

Lightswitch on March 6, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Yawn. It’s all been done before. It’s not like there hasn’t been years and years and years of Anti-Mormon stuff going on. The Godmakers, the Book of Mormon Musical, the Tanners, books and pamphlets and lies as thick as fleas.

This is just going to be another day for those of us who have grown up Mormon. I grew up LDS in Memphis, TN. It will be a big yawn fest for me.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Prevented? By whom?

Rusty Allen on March 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM

As near as I can tell, “Catholic” voters are no more and no less fickle than any other artificial division of American voter.

My collie says:

The truth is, the VAST majority of voters that identify themselves as “Roman Catholic” simply…aren’t. So it doesn’t make any sense to attempt to draw conclusions about “Catholic voters” when the sampling population has been so badly misidentified.

Yes, and lest someone think that we are “picking on” Catholics here, collie, it should be acknowledged that the very same could be said of Methodists, Presbyterians, Baptists, et ceteras.

My collie says:

Let’s face it, in most cases, the level of commitment of the members of our religious groups in America is something less than stellar.

Yeah. Whenever I hear someone talking about “the C word”, I always have to ask for a clarification in order to make certain that they are not talking about “commitment”.

CyberCipher on March 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Where to start with this ignorant dribble…let’s deal with a basic issue…Mormon’s are Arians (look it up if this is new to you) they do not believe in the divinity of Jesus. Case closed…what else have you got?

ironmarshal on March 6, 2012 at 10:50 AM

You are incorrect. Mormons do not deny the Divinity of Christ.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM

ED

I explained this yesterday.

It’s about the freaking economy!

It’s not a religious litmus test! Social issues will not carry Ohio in the fall! If you might lose your house, or are scrambling to pay your bills, mandates are not priority one!

budfox on March 6, 2012 at 10:35 AM

When will we learn that it’s not “Just” about the economy. It’s about the freedom these folks are taking while they destroy the economy. Economies can rebound -freedom -ours– took thousands of years and were giving it away for immorality. Add up the cost of the ghettos, the broken homes , the prisons, the drugs, the shootings, the perpetual welfare checks, then check the sex crazed cost of abortion, broken homes, screwed up kids, anything goes in our culture -teaching kids gay lifestyles, eco-worship, envy, deceitful untruth about our history, AGW, then tell me taking away or right to concience isn’t morals, overtaxing to control you, morals, corrupting our culture , morals, lying leftist media , morals,…
Look the soviets had homes and jobs as did the Nazi pewriod Germans -is that what you want -no freedom, no conscience -just 30 pieces of silver?

Don L on March 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM

This is more or less the same view Evangelicals take when it comes to Mormons. They don’t believe Mormons are “real Christians.” So is this intolerant? Yes, to some extent.

But, Catholicism has it’s own intolerance – is that such a bad thing? I don’t see the point in belonging to an overly tolerant religion.

A person’s belief is both a matter of faith and judgement. You can believe whatever you want..that is your choice. I can reject whatever you believe and not be “intolerant” and I can choose not to vote for you because what you believe is objectionable to me and I don’t think it would be in the best interest of the country if you were in a position to make important decisions using that belief system. Tolerance was the buzzwords for the gays 30 years ago and most people bought into the concept of tolerating behavior they did not necessarily agree with…you don’t have to like something to tolerate it. Unfortunately tolerance quickly became entitlement and we are forced to accept universal acceptance of behavior we don’t believe is correct.

ironmarshal on March 6, 2012 at 10:59 AM

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Yes, it has been done before, but not in the context of a presidential race. As a Catholic, I’m accustomed to misconceptions becoming the rule, so I understand where you’re coming from.

Lightswitch on March 6, 2012 at 11:00 AM

As a Catholic in Michigan, he sure wont get my vote in November. Neither will Obama, but Im sure not voting for Obama lite either.

Dragoro on March 6, 2012 at 11:00 AM

CyberCipher on March 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Your collie is so smart!

Lightswitch on March 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Mormon’s are Arians

ironmarshal on March 6, 2012 at 10:50 AM

I had never heard of Arius before, so thank you for that. I don’t think that the LDS Church can technically be Arian’s as the Church didn’t exist at the time of his teachings. However, I can see how you can come to that conclusion.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 6, 2012 at 11:08 AM

First, the “Mormon Problem” obviously isn’t as much of a problem as some were hinting at last year.

Mormon problem will become a problem in the general elections, where an average voter is significantly more prejudiced. Moreover, between Tampa and November they will have 3-4 months to watch “subtle” TV propaganda, including countless reruns of the notorious South Park series. Heck, we have a musical (!!) coming out in NYC with the same name.

Archivarix on March 6, 2012 at 11:10 AM

The three biggest Christian denominations:
1. Catholics
2. Fallen-away Catholics
3. Southern Baptists

RBMN on March 6, 2012 at 11:11 AM

The majority of Mormon/LDS Belief is the exact same as Catholic/Evangelical/Christian belief.

(snip)

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 6, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
I’m guessing that you neither adhere to, nor believe in any of those beliefs.
(or yer an lds’er seeking affirmation)
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on March 6, 2012 at 11:12 AM

With the assault on religious freedom, you can bet that Catholics will consolidate around one candidate and will be a powerhouse block this fall. If the nomination goes to Romney and the Obama team goes after his “weird” Mormon religion, this will only reinforce the anti-religious bias of the administration. Next to its anti-Israel bias, the anti-Catholic bias is quickly becoming a lethal shorthand for the Obama administration. In fact, the anti-Israel and anti-Catholic memes consolidate into one anti-religious secular Leftist administration.

EMD on March 6, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Has Santorum ever won the Catholic vote? I know he lost to Romney among Catholics in NH, Florida, Michigan and Arizona.

cam2 on March 6, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Why are people still convinced that Santorum does well with Catholic voters? I’ve been saying this for ages: Catholic always under-performs with Catholic voters.

Santorum consistently underperformed other republican statewide candidates with Catholics in PA, including a Jewish like Specter or Bush.

He did poorly with Catholics in every primary state so far, from Iowa to Michigan to Florida.

First, the identity vote factor is relatively small with Catholics. Secondly, and more importantly, Catholics don’t perceive Santorum as one of them. Santorum sounds like a Southern evangelical.

joana on March 6, 2012 at 11:14 AM

The two groups that are going to have problems with Romney’s Mormonism in a General Election are:

1) Militant Liberal secularists that always vote Democrat anyway (this will be the largest group)

2) Militant Evangelicals in the Deep South where Obama will still lose by double digits

Also, if you’re going to run a Mormon, it REALLY helps to run against a Barack Hussein Obama that was raised a Muslim and then had Rev Wright as his last Church.

I see the whole thing as a wash, with maybe even a net gain as Romney will get a lot of additional support and volunteers from LDS members. Also, even though I’m not a Mormon, the ones I’ve met are salt of the Earth. I think my experience matches most people’s. They’re usually an admired group, even if we disagree sharply on theology.

BradTank on March 6, 2012 at 11:16 AM

A morman vs a pro muslim sympathizer? Ill take the morman. Im hoping an evangelical christian will want to keep the super liberal judges that will get life terms on the bench if Obama gets a couple more supreme court nominations not to mention keeping holder as the cheif law enforcement officer and potentially selling israel down the river.

ldbgcoleman on March 6, 2012 at 11:20 AM

(or yer an lds’er seeking affirmation)

Karl Magnus on March 6, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Affirmation? Nope… Don’t need or want it.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 6, 2012 at 11:21 AM

I guess Catholics are as creeped out as everyone else when a faith healer tells them the devil grins each time they put on a condom.

EddieC on March 6, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Catholics don’t perceive Santorum as one of them. Santorum sounds like a Southern evangelical.

joana on March 6, 2012 at 11:14 AM

I think your analysis is exactly right. Catholics are not typically evangelical about their faith.

cam2 on March 6, 2012 at 11:31 AM

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