Open thread: Stupor Tuesday; Update: Newt wins GA; Update: Romney wins VA, VT, MA; Update: Santorum wins OK, TN, ND; Update: Exit polls added; Update: Romney wins Ohio

posted at 6:26 pm on March 6, 2012 by Allahpundit

I wish I could take credit for that phrase but it belongs to Joseph Curl. We’re all very, very tired of this process, I know, but look on the “bright” side — if Romney rolls, this may well be the last night of election returns you need to follow until November. Yay, Mitt?

There are endless preview posts out there worth recommending but I’ll stick with two rather than inundate you. First, Guy Benson has a useful at-a-glance summary of which candidates are favored where, punctuated by the jump-ball states of Ohio and Tennessee. Whoever overperforms in those two will control the narrative tomorrow; if Romney wins both he’ll be touted as the de facto nominee, especially having now proved that he can win in the south. Second, refer to the charts in Nate Silver’s post for numerical benchmarks on how each candidate’s expected to do given current polling. Romney’s got a real shot at winning a majority of delegates tonight while Newt, because of his dominance in Georgia, could end up taking more delegates overall than Santorum. Any sharp deviations from those expectations may signal a new surge for one of them tomorrow or may even end a campaign. (If Gingrich somehow lost Georgia, which is unlikely in the extreme, he’s finished by his own admission.) As it is, 65 percent of Republican likely voters expect Romney will be the nominee compared to just 54 percent last week. The higher that number goes, the harder it is for Santorum and Gingrich to animate the base to stop him. In fact, no matter how Mitt does tonight, his campaign’s got a handy talking point for tomorrow: Realistically, it’s already too late for anyone else to win the nomination.

The bottom line here is that Romney has enough of a delegate advantage right now and especially coming out of today’s contests that it is very unlikely that anyone will catch him, much less catch him and get to 1144. The latter seems particularly far-fetched given the above scenarios. And that is a problem in this race. Well, a problem for Gingrich and Santorum anyway. If all either of them can take to voters is an argument that all they can do is prevent Romney from getting to 1144, then neither has a winning strategy. That sort of strategy has a half life; one that will grow less effective as, in this case, Romney approaches 1144. Complicating this scenario even further for Gingrich and Santorum is the fact that if neither can get to 1144 or even close to it, neither is all that likely to be the candidate to emerge as the nominee at any — unlikely though it may be — contested convention.

These contests today may not be decisive in terms of settling the nomination, but they very much represent a mental hurdle in this race. That Santorum and Gingrich cannot get to 1144 without vastly over-performing in the remaining contests (relative to how well they have done in the contests thus far) ushers in a new phase in the race.

The first polls close tonight at 7 p.m. ET in Virginia, Vermont, and Georgia — all three of which are likely to be called promptly at the top of the hour (the first two for Romney and the third for Newt). Things get interesting at 7:30, when Ohio starts to roll in, and then again at 8 when Tennessee starts counting. Here’s your handy Google Elections page to follow it all; lots of updates coming below, needless to say. While we wait, via Greg Hengler, here’s The One wishing Romney well at today’s presser. He seems pretty excited to face him. I wonder why.

Update: If you’re bored with the race, Democrats are lovin’ it.

The Republican nomination battle is rallying Democrats behind Barack Obama. Currently, 49% of Democrats say that as they learn more about the GOP candidates, their impression of Obama is getting better. Just 36% of Democrats expressed this view in December, before the Republican primaries began.

In contrast, there has been virtually no change in Republicans’ views of the GOP field during this period. Just 26% of Republicans say their impression of the GOP field has improved as they have learned more about the candidates. That is largely unchanged from December (30%).

Among indies, 10 percent say their views of the field has improved as the race has worn on — compared to 28 percent who say they’ve gotten worse. (In fairness, the numbers were nearly identical in December.)

Update: Tasty exit poll data from Ohio via Jake Tapper: Fully 53 percent say Romney has the best chance of beating Obama versus just 23 percent who say Santorum. But when asked which candidate best understands average Americans’ problems, Santorum wins 32/23.

Update: Romney tormentor Andrew Kaczynski of BuzzFeed digs up yet another example of Mitt pushing RomneyCare as a model for national health care, this time in a speech to House Republicans in 2009:

We should be first to propose a Republican plan to bring health insurance to all Americans, one based on market dynamics, free choice, and personal responsibility. I think what we did in Massachusetts is a good model to start from, but whatever direction we take, let’s not simply react to what the Democrats do. Their own plan would undoubtedly create a vast new system of costly entitlements and bureaucratic dictates, burdening the people and threatening the economy. Americans will be looking for a better alternative. Let’s give it to them.

Santorum went after Romney hard on Laura Ingraham’s show today for his dishonesty about using RomneyCare as a model, saying, “we are going to give away the most important issue in this election.” B-b-b-but, electability!

And since we’re rapidly approaching the moment when criticizing Romney will be treated as high treason on the right, go ahead and read this excellent Dan McLaughlin piece at Red State analyzing Mitt as a salesman for conservative policies while you still can. The bottom line: He’s not going to win any converts. If the GOP takes back the White House, it’ll be because Obama somehow blew it, not because Romney talked centrists into embracing moving right.

Update: Good lord. It really is Stupor Tuesday.

Update: It’s 7 p.m. and all’s well for Newt. He’s won Georgia. A mild surprise in Virginia and Vermont, though — Fox News says they’re both too close to call. Remember, only Ron Paul was on the Virginia ballot with Romney; right now Fox says he’s running a “strong second.” Hmmmm. Revisit this old post from January speculating that Paul would do much better head to head against Romney, if only as a protest vote against his inevitability, than people expected. Needless to say, if he shocked the world by knocking off Mitt in a key swing state like VA, it would shatter Romney’s narrative tomorrow about Republicans coming around to him as nominee.

Update: A splash of cold water from Dave Weigel: Apparently, Virginia exit polls show Romney winning … 63/37. Is that possible? Surely the networks wouldn’t say that race is too close to call.

Update: So much for “too close to call.” At 7:18, Fox and NBC both call Virginia for Romney. I’m curious to see the final margin.

Update: Ten minutes later, despite another fleeting challenge from Paul, Romney wins in his backyard of Vermont.

Update: CNN.com now has links posted on its front page to exit polls from Virginia, Georgia, Vermont — and Ohio. In Ohio, Romney and Santorum are dead even at 36 percent among men but Mitt wins women by three points. Not sure how that adds up to the four-point win that CNN is projecting (40/36), but there you go. The killer data bite:

This one’s fascinating too:

You would think older voters might gravitate to the more socially conservative Santorum, but nope. Unsurprisingly, electability was the most important quality to a plurality of voters (42 percent) and Romney wins that 53/27. On the question of who’s the true conservative, Santorum wins 50/13.

Update: Here’s the Romney vs. Paul Virginia exit poll. Not surprisingly, Paul wins younger voters, unmarrieds, and independents. Mitt wins most everyone else, and on the electability question, wins 84/16. Looks like he’s headed for 20-point or so win.

Update: It’s 8 p.m. and two more races are promptly called, Massachusetts for Romney and, surprisingly, Oklahoma for Santorum. Santorum was supposed to win there but it wasn’t a mortal lock. Stand by for exit polls.

Update: And here’s the Oklahoma exit poll now. Newt and Mitt each took roughly 25 percent of men and women and Santorum cleaned up with the rest. It’s worth clicking through and scrolling down to see how remarkably consistent he was across all sorts of demographics. In Ohio, he and Romney predictably split the vote among those without and with college degrees, but in Oklahoma, Santorum won both groups easily. The two notable areas in which Romney beat him are among those who said a candidate’s religious beliefs matter not much or not at all and, of course, on electability. White evangelicals made up 72 percent of the electorate; Santorum beat Romney 41/24 among them.

Update: Big news for Santorum given the grimness of those Ohio numbers: He’s on track to win Tennessee by four or five points according to their exit poll. Again he wins both college grads and non-grads, and again he crushes Romney among the heavy “white evangelical” majority (73 percent) of the electorate. Interesting:

As usual, Romney’s the runaway winner on electability and Santorum’s the runaway winner on who’s the true conservative.

Update: The Examiner’s Mark Tapscott flags this tasty tidbit from the Massachusetts exit poll. Yes, granted, Romney is cruising, but note the results in the first column here:

Fully half of Republican primary voters in Massachusetts say RomneyCare went too far.

Update: Assuming all the exit polls hold, what’s Newt’s argument for going forward with his campaign? He won South Carolina six weeks ago and tonight he won his home state, but he lost Florida badly and now, apparently, he’s set to lose Tennessee too. Santorum at least has appeal beyond a single region: He’s won in the midwest, he’s poised to win in the south, and thanks to Oklahoma, he’s got a win in the gateway to the southwest too. He won’t win the nomination but as a Not Romney he’s got wider reach than Gingrich seems to have.

Update: At 8:35 ET, NBC calls Tennessee for Santorum. Big win. And given how close the exits are in Ohio, he’s still got a shot there too.

Update: The mood of primary voters in one line, per this depressing WSJ piece: “We don’t have great choices, but it’s anyone but Obama for me.”

Update: Philip Klein looks at Romney’s take among evangelical voters tonight and finds … it ain’t good:

OHIO: Santorum 47%, Romney 31%

TENNESSEE: Santorum 40%, Romney 24%, Gingrich 24%

OKLAHOMA: Santorum 41%, Romney 24%, Gingrich 24%

Says Klein, “The bottom line: evangelicals are still soft on Romney, and where they make up a critical mass of the electorate, he loses.” Fair enough, but the south is a cinch to stay red no matter who the nominee is against O. Then again, when you put it this way, is does seem absurd, doesn’t it?

Update: Ohio’s the cliffhanger of the evening so let’s start paying attention. With a little more than 11 percent in, it’s Santorum who leads by nearly 2,000 votes.

Update: Santorum’s lead is now nearly 5,000 votes with nearly 14 percent in, but use Google’s election map and zoom in on the state to see the district-by-district voting. The urban areas like Cleveland and Cincinnati where Romney is typically strong have barely started reporting yet. He’ll pile up votes there once they start coming in.

Update: David Frum, Romney fan, isn’t happy with what he sees:

This is shaping up as a scary night for those who think that Mitt Romney is the only conceivable Republican nominee in 2012. The Republican Party does not agree. Not winning Georgia, Tennessee, Oklahoma … that’s troubling. There’s still no path for anybody else to the Republican nomination. But ouch, ouch, ouch, what a bumpy path for the guy it’s going to have to be.

I can give him a pass on Georgia because it’s Newt’s home state but Tennessee would have been a huge narrative-builder for Romney as proof that he can win in the south. (The real south, not Florida.) As it is, it’s just one reminder after another that deep red states don’t trust him.

Update: More than 26 percent reporting in Ohio now and Santorum leads by 13,000 votes. And yet … still no numbers from the cities. There’s going to be a big swing towards Romney once they come in. Only question is how big.

Update: Virginia is nearly entirely in now and, with 99.8 percent reporting, Ron Paul’s managed to take 40.6 percent from the presumptive nominee. (In my post in January, I said, “Wouldn’t surprise me at all if the margin is closer to 10-15 points than 30.”)

Update: Ben Domenech: “If you are struggling to beat *Rick Santorum* in Ohio, you are not a strong campaign.”

Update: Shortly after 10 p.m. ET, there’s been a surge in returns from Cuyahoga County, where Cleveland is located. With 40.8 percent reporting, Romney leads Santorum there 47/31, a margin of 7,000 votes. That’s a lot, but statewide Santorum still leads by more than 10,000; in fact, as of 20 minutes ago, Nate Silver gave him a 60-70 percent chance of holding on to win. That seems overly optimistic to me given that Hamilton County, which contains Cincinnati, has barely started reporting yet.

Update: And there’s another state for Santorum: With more than 50 percent reporting, CNN calls North Dakota for him. Go look at the Google Elections map. Middle America is getting purpler with each primary.

Update: More than 65 percent reporting now in Ohio and Santorum’s 15,000-vote lead is steady. Lots of Cuyahoga County is still out but Hamilton County is nearly 50 percent in and his lead there is only 4,000 votes. Is he really going to lose both of the jump-ball states on what was supposed to be coronation night?

John Fund wonders how a guy whose campaign is so well-armed can fare this badly:

He lost Oklahoma to Rick Santorum, despite the endorsement of the state’s most popular politician — populist U.S. senator Tom Coburn.

He won Virginia, where his only opponent was Ron Paul, by only 59 percent to 41 percent. He lost significant cities ranging from upper-crust Charlottesville to working-class Lynchburg.

Late-reporting urban areas may still give Romney a win in Ohio, but it is striking that he is struggling so much in a state where he carpet-bombed Rick Santorum the way he did. And in Ohio — unlike Michigan — there was no semi-organized effort among Democrats to embarrass him by casting votes for Santorum. Romney won among those voters who saw electability in November as their prime concern; his problem was that many voters had other priorities. Evangelicals continued to resist him, as did many blue-collar workers and the most conservative of voters.

Romney should consider himself very, very lucky that Santorum couldn’t organize well enough to get on the ballot in Virginia. If he had beaten Romney there too — and that’s entirely possible given that he would have swept up Paul’s protest vote plus some reluctant Paul-hating Romney voters — the headlines tomorrow about Mitt dropping not one but two crucial swing states would have been disastrous.

Update: Another chunk of Hamilton County just came back and put a dent in Santorum’s lead. He’s down to 7,000 votes statewide with still more than half of Cuyahoga to come.

Update: And just like that, Santorum’s lead is down to 2,000 votes. 77 percent of precincts have reported but still nothing new from Cuyahoga. Romney suddenly looks like he’s in good shape to win. And if Santorum does hold on, he might owe it to … Democrats:

According to exit polls, Democrats constituted 5 percent of the Ohio primary electorate, and 45 percent of them voted for Mr. Santorum. Just 25 percent voted for Mitt Romney.

That translates roughly into a 1 or 2 percentage point bump for Mr. Santorum.

Update: Comeback complete. According to CNN’s ticker, with 86 percent in, Romney now leads by less than 2,000 votes. Another chunk of Cuyahoga county came back and propelled him to the top. And 40 percent of the precincts there still have yet to report.

Update: More good news for Romney: NBC just projected that he’ll win the Idaho caucuses. 32 more delegates.

Update: With 88 percent in, Romney now leads by 5,000 votes. Scroll through CNN’s table of Ohio counties and you’ll see that the only ones where any significant number of votes are still to come in are Romney counties, capped of course by Cuyahoga. Realistically, there’s no way for Santorum to come back. I’d be surprised if we don’t get a call from the networks soon.

Update: I didn’t see it but Andrew Kaczynski says Erick Erickson acknowledged on CNN a few minutes ago that Romney will be the nominee.

Update: It’s a quarter to midnight on the east coast and there’s still no call in Ohio, but like I said above, it’s a done deal. It’s amusing as a political junkie to watch a few thousand votes in a few counties reshape an entire national narrative. Had Mitt dropped this state and Tennessee and Oklahoma, I thought we’d finally see the long-promised round of “panicked GOP establishment looks to replace Romney with white knight” stories that were on tap in case he lost Michigan to Santorum. As it is, there’ll be plenty of well deserved doomsaying tomorrow about Romney struggling to beat a bare-bones operation like Team Sweater Vest in a key battleground state despite a huge financial advantage, but it’ll all be tempered by the fact that (a) Romney did in fact win and (b) he continues to pile up delegates, to the point where Gingrich and Santorum are fighting on to no realistic end except possibly to deny him an outright majority, which won’t make much of a difference at the convention anyway. (Caveat: Team Santorum tells NBC that they’re going to start pressuring Newt to drop out, which is the last best hope of keeping things interesting.) Regardless of what happens in Ohio, though, the fundamentals of the race are clear enough: An awful lot of Republicans, especially in the south, clearly have no confidence in Romney, and Team Mitt just as clearly is unperturbed by the fact. All they need to do is get to 1,144 — if the only way is to carpet-bomb the opposition until they all seem as ideologically suspect as Romney is, so be it — and then the incantation of “Anybody but Obama” will work its magic to guarantee turnout in November. It’s a brute test of wills with conservatives and they’re winning. Barely, but still. In its own way, it’s really impressive.

Update: And there you go. At 12:33 ET, CNN finally calls Ohio for Romney.


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Flora Duh on March 7, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I hadn’t heard the news on Joe. Good for him.

novaculus on March 7, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Rick would have Super-pacs and money? Santorum is saying he spent his children’s college money on this race.

antisense on March 7, 2012 at 9:24 AM

You may not understand this…but super pac money and your own personal money is not the same…it comes from different sources.
With Mitt it is 18 out of 20 from Wall Street, and out of those he has collected more from lobbyists than all the other candidates combined…
you think Mitt cares about you? Or Wall Street and lobbyists…BTW, his Wall Street 18 all received bail out money, did you?

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Is this what Romney’s candidacy means to you? Legitimizing Mormonism?

Fallon on March 7, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Of course it is…

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Being a Mitt supporter doesn’t invite the ire, here, as much as the hate-speech leveled at his opponents.
Chill, bg.

pambi on March 7, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Let me take a moment to describe who bluegill is. A Dem operative dressed up like a Rmoney supporter. I will now borrow from pambi to drive home a point.

bigot [ˈbɪgət]
noun:
1. a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

1a. bluegill

bigot [ˈbɪgət]
noun:
1. a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

1a. bluegill

bigot [ˈbɪgət]
noun:
1. a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

1a. bluegill

bigot [ˈbɪgət]
noun:
1. a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

1a. bluegill

bigot [ˈbɪgət]
noun:
1. a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

1a. bluegill

bigot [ˈbɪgət]
noun:
1. a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

1a. bluegill

bigot [ˈbɪgət]
noun:
1. a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

1a. bluegill

bluegill get used to it.

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:01 AM

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Azzwipe, keep deluding yourself. statistically insignificant if I stay home. In my home state of Ma., me staying home will cost Scott brown his senate seat!

Thank your sociolist Romneycare for that! further, I’m telling the establishment in advance, so they can fix the romneycare problem!

Danielvito on March 7, 2012 at 10:02 AM

There are 8 winner take all primaries….

Anyone who says the math is impossible is a Mittens operative…

MGardner on March 7, 2012 at 10:03 AM

One open question for Rmoney supporters. First let me insure you I would cast my vote for Rmoney in November if that ends up being the case. If Rmoney is the best candidate and the only one who can beat 0 in the general. Why did he lose to McCain and why can’t he wrap up this primary. Why are the other candidates able to do so well? I would think that if he was the most Conservative candidate to go up against 0 he would have secured the nom by now. Why hasn’t he?

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:10 AM

There are 8 winner take all primaries….

Anyone who says the math is impossible is a Mittens operative…

MGardner on March 7, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Florida’s delegates are going to be decided at the convention. When they moved up their primary they are no longer winner take all. Newt Gingrich already challenged the allotment of those delegates.

“The RNC set out rules last winter that stated any contest held before a certain date must award its delegates proportionally,” Hammond said to a group of reporters after Gingrich participated in a Hispanic roundtable here. “Florida moved its primary inside of this date, so therefore we’re asking the state party of Florida to enforce the existing rules.”

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:10 AM

There are 8 winner take all primaries….

Anyone who says the math is impossible is a Mittens operative…

MGardner on March 7, 2012 at 10:03 AM

In bluegill’s case, it’s an Obama operative masquerading as an annoyingly obnoxious Romney supporter.

There’s only one way to deal with it – use the same Alinsky tactics against it that it uses against others.

In other words – “War”.

Flora Duh on March 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Azzwipe, keep deluding yourself. statistically insignificant if I stay home. In my home state of Ma., me staying home will cost Scott brown his senate seat!

Thank your sociolist Romneycare for that! further, I’m telling the establishment in advance, so they can fix the romneycare problem!

Danielvito on March 7, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Yeah, you feet-stomping pouters overestimate your numbers and your influence. Face the facts, your unelectable bigot candidate, Rick Santorum, is losing.

I suggest you take a lesson from Andrew Breitbart:

Breitbart – 2/10/12
“You want a unity speech; I’ll give you a unity speech. I don’t care who the candidate is and I haven’t since the beginning of this. I haven’t. Ask not what a candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate. And that’s what the Tea Party is. We are there to confront them on behalf of our candidate. I will march behind whoever our candidate is because if we don’t we lose. There are two paths: One is America, and the other one is Occupy. One is America, the other one is Occupy. I don’t care…
…Anyone who’s willing to stand next to me and fight the Progressive Left, I will be in that bunker, and If you’re not in that bunker because you’re not satisfied with this candidate, more than shame on you, you’re on the other side.”

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Winner take all states that have not held their primaries.

Utah
Delaware
Puerto Rico
Maryland
D.C.
Wisconsin
New Jersey
California

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Flora Duh on March 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM

I’m sorry you’re so obsessed with me. Anyway, I know that you are a Sarah Palin superfan used to hanging out only in forums like “Conservatives4Palin” so it must be hard for you to hear from people with differing viewpoints.

Some of us actually care about defeating Obama, and we are not going to settle for an unelectable bigot loser like Rick Santorum. Santorum wouldn’t even be able to win more than 5 states in a general election.

There is a reason that the labor unions, Democrats and the Obama campaign have been cheering on Santorum as much as possible…. they know that Rick Santorum as an opponent would all but guarantee a Barack Obama landslide reelection victory.

A Vote for Rick Santorum in the Primary = A Vote for Barack Obama’s Reelection

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:10 AM

He lost to McCain because McCain had the better ground game in 2008. McCain lost to Obama in 2008, because the economy tanked right before the election. Prior to that, McCain was surging in the polls. Bad economic conditions almost always create a hostile environment for the incumbent party. That is why we have a great opportunity to get rid of Obama this year. Whoever our nominee is, he can beat Obama, if we we get behind him. We all need to be Breitbart from now until the election!

NuclearPhysicist on March 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM

One open question for Rmoney supporters. First let me insure you I would cast my vote for Rmoney in November if that ends up being the case. If Rmoney is the best candidate and the only one who can beat 0 in the general. Why did he lose to McCain and why can’t he wrap up this primary. Why are the other candidates able to do so well? I would think that if he was the most Conservative candidate to go up against 0 he would have secured the nom by now. Why hasn’t he?

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Let me just give you one tiny hint to mull over: the population turning out to vote in Republican primaries and caucuses is only a relatively small subset of general election voters.

Foxhound on March 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Romney will win most of these winner-take-all states. Neither Santorum or Gingrich have strong support there.

NuclearPhysicist on March 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM

We all need to be Breitbart from now until the election!

NuclearPhysicist on March 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Yep. Just call us Andrew. ; )

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Winner take all

Utah has 40 delegates to award
New Jersey has 50
California has 169
Delaware has 17
Wisconsin has 39
D.C. has 16
Maryland has 37
Puerto Rico has 20

I am guessing that Utah will go for Mitt Romney.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Bluegill,

I know you are a passionate Romney supporter, but you are going to be in for a rude awakening when all those social/religious Conservatives you disparage don’t show up in the needed numbers and there are no boots on the ground to help with GOTV and Romney gets his a** kicked.

gumbyandpokey on March 7, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Let me just give you one tiny hint to mull over: the population turning out to vote in Republican primaries and caucuses is only a relatively small subset of general election voters.

Foxhound on March 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM

The primary turnout has been lower this year, and John McCain lost the General election in 2008 when primary voter turnout was higher.

I haven’t looked at Ohio voter primary turnout but it’s the swing states that the republicans really want their voters to be excited about turning out and voting.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Foxhound on March 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM

So, Republican voters are not all that enthused for Rmoney ? They just know they want to beat 0, but don’t really care how it gets done, just that it gets done?

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM

your unelectable bigot candidate, Rick Santorum, is losing.

Just because Santorum resides in your brain, 24/7/365, doesn’t make him any non-Mitt voter’s candidate.

You’re embarrassing yourself, twerp.

pambi on March 7, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Results posted by the Secretary of State’s office show the turnout was just over 25 percent Tuesday. Ohio voters narrowly favored Mitt Romney over Rick Santorum as the Republicans battle for the chance to challenge President Barack Obama in November.

More than 1.9 million of Ohio’s 7.7 million voters cast a ballot.

Nearly 3.5 million Ohioans cast a ballot in 2008 for the presidential primary that clinched the GOP nomination for John McCain and gave Hillary Rodham Clinton a much-needed victory on the Democratic side. The turnout rate for that election was 44.5 percent.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Winner take all states that have not held their primaries.

Utah
Delaware
Puerto Rico
Maryland
D.C.
Wisconsin
New Jersey
California

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Wouldn’t be surprised if Romney won nearly all of those.

Rick Santorum, who will never be the nominee and who couldn’t win a general election, staying in the race is only helping Barack Obama. The Republican in-fighting is being prolonged and Obama is loving every minute of it.

I’d like to see Rick Santorum do the right and honorable thing and drop out of the race. Does he care more about his own ego or his country? Is he willing to aid Barack Obama’s reelection campaign by staying in the race so long that Republicans will be a weaker position with less time to unite behind our nominee and go after Obama with one voice? Rick Santorum hasn’t even been able to win a single major primary that wasn’t merely a beauty contest. Um, he has only won Oklahoma and TN… it’s pretty pathetic, actually.

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:27 AM

gumbyandpokey on March 7, 2012 at 10:23 AM

If the evangelicals are stupid enough to stay home, just like Breitbart stated, they will have teamed themselves with the enemies of the conservative cause. Personally, I don’t think that most of them are that stupid or bigoted. When the nomination battle is over, the majority of them will fight the good fight to save our nation and our economy from being destroyed.

NuclearPhysicist on March 7, 2012 at 10:29 AM

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Talking out your AZZ again. So you think i voted for Santorium, I actually was one of the 5% that voted for Gingrich yesterday. Personally, I held my nose voting for him because of his lobbying but w/those choices I went w/him. I would vote for santorium in the general because he would be better than obama even though he has a history of spending alot. I will NEVER VOTE FOR A SOCIOLIST LLIKE ROMNEYCARE. So know what your talking about lightweight.

Your lover romneycare, has no juice, he couldn’t fill up a phone booth w/supporters if they weren’t paid operatives. He can’t get ANY votes if he doesn’t carpetbomb states w/negative ads to eek out wins against underfunded candidates.

I suggest instead of licking romneycare’s stained undies, you open your eyes and see the obvious, romneycare is unelectable in a fair fight and will get crushed in the general giving us obamasatan for another 4 years.

Danielvito on March 7, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Danielvito on March 7, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Listen, you sound like an intelligent guy. I’ll give you that.

Heck, I wouldn’t want to admit voting for an unelectable bigot like Rick Santorum either.

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Winner take all

Utah has 40 delegates to award
New Jersey has 50
California has 169
Delaware has 17
Wisconsin has 39
D.C. has 16
Maryland has 37
Puerto Rico has 20

I am guessing that Utah will go for Mitt Romney.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:22 AM

I am not sure if Mitt Romney will take California? That proposition 8 thangy is blamed on Mormons. I don’t see it but that’s the conventional wisdom.

With all the ills facing Californians, is the court ruling on proposition 8 going to get the republicans ginned up and turning out?

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:34 AM

You’re right, of course, but a BIGOT would, and obviously with abandon.
OY.

pambi on March 7, 2012 at 10:33 AM

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Excuse me one moment folks.

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bluegill you are a Dem operative. You have one purpose for posting these negatively charged accusations. You gladly use the tactics and language of the left. No Coservative would use the word bigot the way you do or the number of times you do in describing one of our own candidates.

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Coservative =Conservative

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:34 AM

LOL. Time warp, again !!! LOL.

pambi on March 7, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Foxhound on March 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM

I can’t say that I don’t agree with you on this.

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Foxhound on March 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM

So, Republican voters are not all that enthused for Rmoney ? They just know they want to beat 0, but don’t really care how it gets done, just that it gets done?

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM

I wouldn’t go so far as to say they don’t really care how it gets done, but they certainly want it to get done. Neither Rick nor Newt will get it done because they can’t attract the moderates, so it’s up to Mitt. Reality sucks.

Foxhound on March 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM

gumbyandpokey on March 7, 2012 at 10:23 AM

California has a lot of Mormons. And, proposition 8 won there. Besides that, most analysts see a Romney win in CA. With all the Mormons, he will have a great GOTV and ground game in CA. That being said, the state will probably still vote for Obama in November.

NuclearPhysicist on March 7, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Please stop trying to turn every thread into a focus on particular commenters. I know you like to lie about people that hold different views than you, but what you’re doing is inexcusable.

I suggest you focus on the issue at hand; i.e., Romney’s impressive come-from-behind victory in Ohio yesterday and Rick Santorum’s continued failure to win a single major, heavily contested primary.

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM

What this primary process is exposing is the split between true fiscal conservatism and populist social conservatism. They were never on the same page and the tension between these factions has been there for decades. Santorum is not fiscally conservative. That’s not his record and not where his passion lies. He’s a big government spender like Bush who sees nothing wrong with expanding government for the sake of a high moral purpose. Whatever you say about Romney, he’s a pragmatist. Making things work economically is what he’s all about. The rest is secondary.

writeblock on March 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM

I wouldn’t go so far as to say they don’t really care how it gets done, but they certainly want it to get done. Neither Rick nor Newt will get it done because they can’t attract the moderates, so it’s up to Mitt. Reality sucks.

Foxhound on March 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM

I am an Independent the only one I would pull the lever for anyone in this field is Newt Gingrich, and I am not optimistic on his chances against Obama. Obama will have to make many mistakes between now and November just to give the republican challenger a fighting chance.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Nearly 3.5 million Ohioans cast a ballot in 2008 for the presidential primary that clinched the GOP nomination for John McCain and gave Hillary Rodham Clinton a much-needed victory on the Democratic side. The turnout rate for that election was 44.5 percent.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Wasn’t that 2008 number the combined total for both the Republican and Democrat primaries? If so, it’s not much of a surprise that the number in 2008 was nearly double that of 2012, is it?

Foxhound on March 7, 2012 at 10:41 AM

LOL. Time warp, again !!! LOL.

pambi on March 7, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Maddening isn’t it? Hardly a peep out of HA as to why, when and how. I hope WorldPress is working on a fix. If not I hope they scrap the whole thing and bring a better system online real soon.

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:41 AM

If the economy stays bad or takes a turn for the worse, Obama will beat himself. Incumbents usually lose when bad economic times exist.

NuclearPhysicist on March 7, 2012 at 10:42 AM

I suggest you take a lesson from Andrew Breitbart:

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:16 AM

And I suggest you take a lesson from Ronald Reagan.

Funny how you invoke the words of Breitbart to try to shame others, considering how you smear the not-Romney candidates, and even a host of this website.

Breitbart would spot a DNC shill like you a mile away and turn your pretzel ‘logic’ inside out before you even realized what hit you.

Anyway, I know that you are a Sarah Palin superfan used to hanging out only in forums like “Conservatives4Palin” so it must be hard for you to hear from people with differing viewpoints.

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:20 AM

blah, Blah, BLAH

Not that I have to defend myself to you, but actually I’ve spent the past few days on Twitter fighting your fellow liberals in their attack against our Religious Liberty (the HHS mandate), and their attack against Freedom of Speech in trying to get Limbaugh’s show off the air.

And in doing so I’ve even defended Romney from their attacks.

GASP!

Imagine that, defending ALL the GOP candidates against the attacks of the true enemy, the Left, instead of attacking candidates I don’t happen to agree with on everything.

But since you suddenly seem to be so fond of invoking Breitbart, I’ll just answer your accusation that I’ve been “hanging out only in forums like ‘Conservatives4Palin’” as he would…

“So?”

“War.”

Flora Duh on March 7, 2012 at 10:43 AM

If you want to look at what 5 more years of 0b0z0 will look like take a cander at this and especially those Catholics who think he is really OK. BTW, when it says graphic content, it really is graphic and I’m not sure I can ever get the pix I saw out of my head. I hope the Lord forgives us for allowing this to go on and electing a person who supports it.

http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/03/05/barack-obama-president-baby-killer/

Bambi on March 7, 2012 at 10:45 AM

I know you like to lie about people that hold different views than you, but what you’re doing is inexcusable.

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM

The proper terminology is people who hold

“War.”

Flora Duh on March 7, 2012 at 10:49 AM

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Let me restate this to you as clearly as possible, again. You continue to use the language of the left when referring to the Republican candidates and I will continue to post your offensive remarks. Your choice as to how this plays out. For the record I don’t care one microscopic bit what you think of me. Show me where I have ever lied. You can’t. Again you use the lefts language accusing a commenter of lying. I will follow you and post your offensive remarks. Do you understand?

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:55 AM

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(it’s :52 past the hour)

pambi on March 7, 2012 at 10:55 AM

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM

So, luvs ya some Breitbart? What about Mittens as “warmed over gruel”? Listen to close to the end.
(BTW-how prescient was the man on the Liberal set up of the contraception angle?)

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Nope, wrong again. We can disagree as longs as you acknowledge all the candidates short comings. You don’t. So, spare us and leave before the election, since that’s what you All will do when it’s all over and Obama’s reelected.

OkieDoc on March 7, 2012 at 10:55 AM

I suggest you focus on the issue at hand; i.e., Romney’s impressive come-from-behind victory in Ohio yesterday and Rick Santorum’s continued failure to win a single major, heavily contested primary.

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM

I suggest that if you want people to vote for your candidate you try a different tactic. I don’t want to hear that others are nasty and you’re only responding as an excuse either. I don’t like any of these candidates and so far you haven’t convinced me to vote for yours. Isn’t that what you should be doing if you want him to win? Or do you think you don’t need the votes? Or are you just relying on the hope that people are all ABO?
And the win in Ohio wasn’t “impressive.” None of these candidates have been impressive. They all have major flaws and it’s up to supporters to help convince voters that their candidate is the best. Right now you sound more like a Dem who is out to undermine any Repub candidate. Hmmm….

Deanna on March 7, 2012 at 10:59 AM

The process has been deliberately protracted.

writeblock on March 7, 2012 at 11:05 AM

By whom?

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Anyway, I know that you are a Sarah Palin superfan used to hanging out only in forums like “Conservatives4Palin” so it must be hard for you to hear from people with differing viewpoints.

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 10:20 AM

And don’t think I didn’t notice you used your liberal tactic of “when you can’t defend, distract” in that comment.

I bit at it just to show some people actually recognize the true enemy of the Right – and can be fair – to ALL of the candidates.

Of course expecting a lefty like you to comprehend fairness is too much to hope for.

btw, are you still hoping for that change?

“War.”

Flora Duh on March 7, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Why are the other candidates able to do so well? I would think that if he was the most Conservative candidate to go up against 0 he would have secured the nom by now. Why hasn’t he?

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:10 AM

He hasn’t secured the nomination by now because the rules are different from what they were in 2008. The process has been deliberately protracted.

writeblock on March 7, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:41 AM

If the economy stays bad or takes a turn for the worse, Obama will beat himself. Incumbents usually lose when bad economic times exist.

NuclearPhysicist on March 7, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Maybe but there are some dumb people out there who vote, who don’t pay federal income taxes and expect stuff for free.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Deanna on March 7, 2012 at 10:59 AM

bluegill isn’t a true Romney supporter, it’s not even a Republican. It’s a DNC/Media Matters operative who came here for two purposes –

1) to create enough chaos to keep these threads from focusing on the real problem this country faces – Obama’s failed policies.

2) the DNC and Media Matters knows that Hot Air and other conservative blogs are visited by thousands of people who don’t comment but come to them to learn more about the candidates before making their decision who to vote for.

bluegill is doing exactly what it’s mission is – smear the other candidates with lies and half-truths and be so damn obnoxious in it’s feigned support of Romney, that those people reading from the outside will be so turned-off they won’t want to be associated with so called “Romney supporters” like her.

The trouble is, as with all liberals, bluegill went overboard in its outrageously outrageous outrage and has been exposed for what it really is.

Flora Duh on March 7, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Flora Duh on March 7, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Flora, Ed has warned me against cross posting, if you have a moment would you post your statement over at the aftermath thread. You can address it to me if you need to. Thanks! ; )

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Wasn’t that 2008 number the combined total for both the Republican and Democrat primaries? If so, it’s not much of a surprise that the number in 2008 was nearly double that of 2012, is it?

Foxhound on March 7, 2012 at 10:41 AM

2008 Ohio republican primary voters 1,059,567.

yesterday
1,199,802 Ohio semi closed primary* That means no one knows how many non republicans were voting in the Ohio primary.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 11:30 AM

So how did that turn out and how has O governed since then?

C-Low on March 7, 2012 at 9:21 AM

The election will be won and Obama defeated if the campaign is focused on Obama’s economic record.

Having our nominee bring up things like birth certificates and call Obama as many inflammatory names as possible would not be helpful.

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Bob Dole, McCain…. the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Also I first thought you a bot but after seeing you call one of our own Santorum (who I don’t agree with I am not a socialcon) a “bigot” I wonder if you are not just another liberal attempting sedition. Either way such statements of “outrageous comments” only feed/justify our enemies rhetoric.

Your true colors and hypocrisy stink.

C-Low on March 7, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I know you are a passionate Romney supporter, but you are going to be in for a rude awakening when all those social/religious Conservatives you disparage don’t show up in the needed numbers and there are no boots on the ground to help with GOTV and Romney gets his a** kicked.

And Santorum,Gingrich,or Paul won’t get his ass kicked?

Then you should be exclusively whining for a brokered convention and some candidate not one of the 4 running.

There are NO guarantees with Mitt Romney but he has a better chance than the other 3.

gerrym51 on March 7, 2012 at 11:47 AM

yesterday
1,199,802 Ohio semi closed primary* That means no one knows how many non republicans were voting in the Ohio primary.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 11:30 AM

So there’s not really much use in comparing the two I guess.

Foxhound on March 7, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Poor Romney, even with his cheer leaders on Fox News (do they ever have any reps from the other candidates anymore?)and even Brit Hume looked like he sucked a lemon, he’s not quite the wunderkind they’re trying to make him out to be. Whatever financial, wink-wink deal the Romney camp, Murdoch, & Trump cooked up with the network to slant things for Romney is starting to look a little desperate. Even Drudge is trying to help his homey. BUT there’s that teensy weensy problem called the American people that keep stepping in and throwing a wrench into their plans. Good days for democracy, finally.

mozalf on March 7, 2012 at 11:59 AM

yesterday
1,199,802 Ohio semi closed primary* That means no one knows how many non republicans were voting in the Ohio primary.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 11:30 AM

So there’s not really much use in comparing the two I guess.

Foxhound on March 7, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Much use? I don’t know unless someone compares registered republican voters in Ohio to the actual percentage that voted yesterday in the republican (semi closed) primary Moore was up in Michigan encouraging democrats to vote for Santorum during their primary- Santorum robo called democrats in Michigan. Democrats that voted for Santorum -42% of the democrats that voted in the republican primary in Michigan are they going to vote for him or the republican nominee in November? Did the same thing happen last night in Ohio?

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 12:15 PM

C-Low on March 7, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Nice moniker. Its close to the moniker I have chosen to come back as when I’m eventually banned for chasing trolls. ; )

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Semi-closed primary:

Independents may choose which party primary to vote in, but voters registered with a party may only vote in that party’s primary. The middle ground between the exclusion of independents in a closed primary and the free-for-all of open primaries, the semi-closed, primary mostly eliminates the concern about members registered to other parties “raiding” another’s election.
Of course people who align with Party X may theoretically still vote in Party Y’s primary if they just register as independent, but it appears most voters do not think that way. Moreover, the potential for sabotage through tactical party registration is also present in the strictest of closed primaries.

Democrats Failed to Disrupt the Party

Crossover Democrat voters nearly secured a victory for Santorum in the Ohio Republican primary, just like they almost did in Michigan a week earlier. Ohio is an open primary state where voters of all stripes can cast ballots. On Tuesday, 5 percent of those turning out for the Republican contest identified themselves as Democrats. These Democratic voters overwhelmingly supported Santorum over Romney 47 percent to 27 percent. If these Democratic voters had not cast ballots in the Republican primary, Romney would have won Ohio by roughly a 3-point margin.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 12:24 PM

So Palin proves once again to be the phony, establishment-lackey that she is, endorsing John McCain and voting for Newt Gingrich.

She sure has a lot of you fooled.

Dante on March 7, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Winner take all

Utah has 40 delegates to award
New Jersey has 50
California has 169
Delaware has 17
Wisconsin has 39
D.C. has 16
Maryland has 37
Puerto Rico has 20

I am guessing that Utah will go for Mitt Romney.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Yeah, like I said yesterday, most of these are leftist states (California being the big one of course) and the other one is Utah (Mormon). They are all set up as winner take all for Romney. Meanwhile, the conservatives have to split all of their states and delegates.

Sigh, the system is so rigged. :(

Theophile on March 7, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Theophile on March 7, 2012 at 1:19 PM

California is a big one. I just can’t see if the position on Prop 8 hurt’s Mitt or helps? Maybe after the 9th circuit slapped down the will of the people, it might energize the republican base to turn out in the California primary they sure have a lot of delegates, and are suffering from very high gas prices.

Dr Evil on March 7, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Dante on March 7, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Did you mean, see how Dr. Paul has you all fooled. If memory serves Palin was the attack dog against 0, while Dr. Paul was hardly even heard. What does it make Dr. Paul now that is has been well documented he has been acting as Rmoney’s stalking horse? How does it feel to have Dr. Paul supporting Rmoney? Irony is lost on some.

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Flora Duh on March 7, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Than why even respond to it? Just ignore or make fun of the poster.

right2bright on March 7, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Romney has taken a commanding lead in the popular vote count.

In the interest of the party and the country, I think it is time for us to unite and focus all our energy on Barack Obama. I want to see the in-fighting come to an end. Rick Santorum needs to drop out.

3,177,886 – #1 Mitt Romney

1,946,240 – the unelectable bigot Rick Santorum

1,817,910 – Newt Gingrich

894,959 – Ron Paul

The Delegate Totals:

415 – #1 Mitt Romney
176 – the unelectable bigot Rick Santorum
105 – Newt Gingrich
47 – Ron Paul

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM

O.k… I have been on here literally forever (I miss Michelle and the guy with the beard who blogged the Koran)- six years or more now, I guess. But until this guy, I never wanted an ignore button. Now, I do. LOL!

Is there any way to flag posts with the word “bigot” in them?

Theophile on March 7, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Yeah, like I said yesterday, most of these are leftist states (California being the big one of course) and the other one is Utah (Mormon). They are all set up as winner take all for Romney. Meanwhile, the conservatives have to split all of their states and delegates.

Sigh, the system is so rigged. :(

Theophile on March 7, 2012 at 1:19 PM

The guy you want to win not winning does not mean the system is rigged.

alchemist19 on March 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Allah, just a suggestion.

I see you’ve not added Alaska to Romney’s wins on Super Tuesday. Might be a good idea before this is archived so you have a complete record of the ’12 primary season.

Texas Gal on March 7, 2012 at 4:51 PM

The guy you want to win not winning does not mean the system is rigged.

alchemist19 on March 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM

I agree with you. The fact that the system is rigged means the system is rigged. LOL! :) :) :)

The system is set up so that the most liberal person possible will be nominated pretty much every cycle. This is plainly observable in the fact that certain states (mostly very liberal ones with open primaries are allowed to go first and always trim out many of the better conservative candidates long before anybody else is even allowed to vote on them, the fact the states that are winner take all are in the liberal areas whereas the split the vote states are in the conservative areas and the fact that the main stream media still decides so much of the narrative for us.

I was born in 1968. In my lifetime, we have nominated one conservative – Reagen. One.

The rest have all been moderates. Some of them did o.k. (Bush ’88, Bush Jr.), while many of them flamed out horribly (Ford, Bush ’92, Dole, McCain, Romney). Note that most of them have flamed out horribly.

This is part of the problem. This is one of the reasons that the country is in the shape that it is in. This is part of the problem.

All that we ever seem to have at the national (non-primary) level is the choice between Democrat and Democrat-light. We need an actual Conservative. Seriously. And the system will not allow us to procure one. :(

Theophile on March 7, 2012 at 4:55 PM

how many times do they have to admit that was an overstatement before you admit they said it?

DHChron on March 7, 2012 at 7:35 AM

zensunni is the one claiming he wants to throw gays in jail. Want to show me where in the link he posted where Santorum said that he wants to? Let me guess, you didnt read it did you.

Sultanofsham on March 7, 2012 at 5:43 PM

hehehe…I’ve never seen someone be so wrong with such utter certainty. Brava.

DHChron on March 7, 2012 at 7:42 AM

I’ve never seen a person that doesnt seem to be able to follow what an arguement is about. Mormons hold gays in the same reguard as Santorum. Bigot has nothing to do with acting on a held belief as zensunni keeps using it. Not hard to understand unless your just doing a driveby.

Sultanofsham on March 7, 2012 at 5:49 PM

bluegill on March 7, 2012 at 8:15 AM

So when Romney signed the 2012 presidential pledge that had nothing to do with imposing his religion on others. Or are you saying he doesnt follow the teaching of the LDS and is being an opportunist?

Sultanofsham on March 7, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Bmore on March 7, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Please stop trying to turn every thread into a focus on particular commenters. I know you like to lie about people that hold different views than you, but what you’re doing is inexcusable.

bluegill
on March 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM

.
What he really means, is:

“Please stop paying so much attention to me, in spite of the fact that I am doing everything I can to draw attention to myself.”

listens2glenn on March 7, 2012 at 6:07 PM

I know. Apologies for making the mistake. Howabout this: He wants people to be thrown in jail if they don’t think they should be arrested for having gay sex. Its a stupid quibble: Santorum wants to make gay sex punishable by law.

Again thats not what he said in that link. You want to show me where he wants to toss people in jail?

So Romney has given interviews in which he supports the criminalisation of gay sex? Oh, do tell….

Mormons hold gay sex in the same light as Santorum yet hes a bigot and Romney is not?

Ummmm……I think you should go back and read the post. Firstly, none of my oxen are being gored: I’m not gay. Secondly, the state has valid public justification for regulating domestic arrangements such as polyandry, polygyny, child marriage etc. These have nothing to do with what sort of sex act is carried out.

Your whining about it. Its your Ox. Not hard to grasp. Doesnt have anything to do with being gay or not. Your carrying the flag for it, its your Ox.

As for polyandry and polygyny, what valid public justification? That the public doesnt like it? That the bible isnt for it? As I said, if it isnt your ox you dont seem to care about individual freedom other than to try and cloak your own personal ox in it.

LOL! The twit starts dribbling about bestiality, for pity’s sake. Yes, goat humping and gay sex are ERODING OUR REPUBLIC!

As I said change the words to drugs or what ever and you’ll understand what hes talking about.

And you think that’s electable? It’s silly, and that degree of whacko you have to ask what motivates it.

zensunni on March 7, 2012 at 8:38 AM

Where in my posts did I say anything about electable? Putting more words in someones mouth that didnt say them?

Sultanofsham on March 7, 2012 at 6:21 PM

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