Quotes of the day

posted at 10:14 pm on March 2, 2012 by Allahpundit

“‘We want a conservative nominee because that’s our best chance of winning. Look at the races in the last 30 years, we nominated a moderate: [John] McCain, [Bob] Dole, Gerald Ford. When George [H.W.] Bush ran for re-election back in 1992, after raising taxes and increasing spending. They all ran as moderates. We all lost,’ Santorum said.

“‘Every time we’ve run as a conservative, we’ve won,’ the candidate continued. ‘Why? Because Americans want a choice. If it’s a difference between somebody, Tweedledum and Tweedledee, you know what, this country is going to probably going to stick with the person they know. We need to have a sharp contrast. Someone who paints a very different vision for America.’”

***

“‘I have the perfect candidate — Jeb Bush. But he’s not running,’ former George W. Bush chief of staff Andy Card told Charlie Rose on CBS on Wednesday, echoing the sentiments of many in his party.

“‘What Democrat would not worry about a popular leader from a critical state who sounds pretty moderate and can rescue the GOP from its anti-Latino death grip?’ asked former Bill Clinton press secretary Mike McCurry, who said he’s yet to find a Democratic elder who thinks the GOP is truly ‘unhinged’ enough to consider ditching Romney for Bush…

“‘Don’t buy the bulls—- about us not being worried about Jeb,’ added a veteran Democratic operative. ‘He’s a tough matchup even if his last name is Bush.’”

***

“But beyond being one of Poppy’s boys, the actual Jeb Bush would have another problem as a candidate. The party has marched inexorably to the right in a way that leaves him decidedly out of step

“When a Republican says he ‘used to be a conservative,’ he means he doesn’t much like the party’s rightward lurch. Are angry primary voters who have given Rick Santorum a series of victories (and a near-miss in Mitt Romney’s home state of Michigan) going to flock to a candidate who talks like that?

“Then there is Bush’s somewhat moderate approach to immigration. Jeb is fluent in Spanish and married to a Mexican-born woman; that would seem an ideal profile for a party that badly needs to attract Hispanics. But Jeb opposed Arizona’s harsh law cracking down on those here illegally and similar efforts in other states.”

***

“Let’s be honest, the marriage between the Republican Party and the tea party has always been a marriage of convenience — and an uncomfortable marriage of convenience at best. Unfortunately, this marriage is no longer working and it is time for both sides to move on. Call it irreconcilable differences…

“Moderate talking heads like David Brooks and David Frum, along with their ideological soul mates on the Hill, attacked the tea party as ‘radical’ and ridiculed tea party activists as politically naïve.

“Both the moderate and the conservative establishment types feared that the dirty, unwashed masses of the tea party might actually change how things are done in Washington — leaving them and their K Street buddies out of power and out of work…

“Now, unfortunately, the tea party is seen as just another Republican Party interest group. Another interest group to be used for fundraising and to turn out votes on Election Day, and then to be ignored when the politicians get back to doing the work of Washington.”

***

“‘We spend a lot of time talking about other countries, particularly the Middle East and places where there’s a lot of religious excessive demand,’ Mr. Kerry said. ‘But here in our own country, we have our own fundamentalists and we have our own excesses of demand today, and expectation with respect to towing the line.’…

“‘Why are we stuck? Why is this the way it is? Why does Olympia Snowe leave? Why are we gridlocked?’ he asked rhetorically. ‘Well, I’ll tell you in very simple terms; certain people in the leadership of the United States Congress have made a decision that their primary objective is not fixing the economy, it is defeating this president. And they have decided to do everything possible to gridlock everything in order that we all look bad and then people throw everybody out and they’ll come into power.’…

“‘It’s the most depressingly small minded, venal unpatriotic thing I’ve ever seen in my life,’ he said.”

***

“In a politically diverse nation, only by finding that common ground can we achieve results for the common good. That is not happening today and, frankly, I do not see it happening in the near future.

“For change to occur, our leaders must understand that there is not only strength in compromise, courage in conciliation and honor in consensus-building — but also a political reward for following these tenets. That reward will be real only if the people demonstrate their desire for politicians to come together after the planks in their respective party platforms do not prevail.

“I certainly don’t have all the answers, and reversing the corrosive trend of winner-take-all politics will take time. But as I enter a new chapter in my life, I see a critical need to engender public support for the political center, for our democracy to flourish and to find solutions that unite rather than divide us.

“I do not believe that, in the near term, the Senate can correct itself from within. It is by nature a political entity and, therefore, there must be a benefit to working across the aisle.”

***

“Among the biases of the mainstream political media, the most absurd is the adoration of the ‘moderate.’ When Maine’s Olympia Snowe, the most liberal Senate Republican, announced her retirement Tuesday, it sparked an avalanche of lamentation and praise of this ‘dying breed’ of moderate…

“New York Times columnist David Brooks blames the Tea Partiers and other grassroots conservatives (‘wingers,’ he calls them) for making the GOP “more and more insular, more and more rigid” and being too intolerant of compromise. Someone should show Brooks the GOP presidential field. The ever-changing policy views of front-runner Mitt Romney can be derided in many ways, but never as ‘rigid.’ Nor can the mercurial Newt Gingrich be pinned down as unbending…

“Moderates are as guilty as anyone of being intolerant when faced with conflicts within the GOP. Frum blasted as ‘Unpatriotic’ those conservatives who failed to support George W. Bush’s ill-considered invasion of Iraq, and urged all conservatives to “turn [their] backs” on these heretics. Brooks himself draws some pretty rigid boundaries of permissible dissent, excoriating as ‘nihilists’ those who opposed the unprecedented and unfair Troubled Asset Relief Program in 2008…

“Frum’s attempted purges, Specter’s naked self-preservation, and Tauzin’s and Bayh’s self-enrichment show moderates are no more tolerant or altruistic than the ‘wingers’ Brooks fears. Moderates in both parties may be a dying breed, but maybe not one worth saving.”

***

“In the real world, Republican members of Congress who scoffed at ideology spent decades cutting corrupt deals, buying votes with pork barrel spending, and expanding government to unsustainable levels while sweeping our nation’s long-term problems under the rug.

“Traditionally, Republicans would complain about big government while collaborating with Democrats to augment its size and scope. Yet last year, the House of Representatives passed the first serious plan to reform entitlements and balance the long-term budget, with all but four Republicans voting for Budget Committee Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan’s proposal…

“If it were up to Obama and ‘responsible’ moderates, the debt ceiling would have been raised without much fanfare, like business as usual. But the Tea Party protesters forced the issue, and that’s the only reason Obama has budget savings to tout.

“Despite how the fairy tale goes, in reality the backslapping Republican moderates are the ones who helped bring this nation to the brink of financial ruin. And only bold and principled conservative leadership can save us.”


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No Bushies

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:16 PM

A.B.O.

hillsoftx on March 2, 2012 at 10:17 PM

WHat is this.. fricking Goldilocks?

Are we supposed to elect all the Bushes until we find the one that’s just right?

That family led us into three wars in the last 20 years, with zero victories.

If you’re gonna go to war, win it and come home.

nope.

cane_loader on March 2, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Hang in there Newt…!!!

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM

“‘Every time we’ve run as a conservative, we’ve won,’

GWB ran as a conservative?

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Gingrich hasn’t won a state since South Carolina. How much more hanging can Newt do?!?

The Nerve on March 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Bush ran for re-election back in 1992, after raising taxes and increasing spending. They all ran as moderates. We all lost,’ Santorum said.

A garden Nome can beat obama (little o)…
Raising taxes and increasing spending doesn’t win elections…

Electrongod on March 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Hang in there Newt…!!!

:)

Seven Percent Solution on March 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

When a Republican says he ‘used to be a conservative,’

Straw man. Nobody says that.

John the Libertarian on March 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

How did I do that you were there first 7%

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

I heard a comment by Dana Perino the other day that raised the hair on my neck. She stated something to the effect that Jeb Bush won’t run for the presidency but may very well be the VP on the ticket. Perhaps that’s why papa and momma Bush have talked Romney up as being the best candidate. Is it possible they have an understanding of sorts?? Is this how they get Jeb into the White House with a Bush weary public?

KickandSwimMom on March 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Obama? Jeb Bush? Romney? Once upon a time in the west there were leaders of men and now… this is what we are reduced to?

sharrukin on March 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Hang in there Newt…!!!

:)

Seven Percent Solution on March 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Been already posted…
But…
With the time warp that HotAir is having…
You may be first.

Electrongod on March 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM

“‘Don’t buy the bulls—- about us not being worried about Jeb,’ added a veteran Democratic operative. ‘He’s a tough matchup even if his last name is Bush.’”

Even for VP choice? I have a feeling the same “veteran Democratic operative” would consider Jeb Bush the worst choice of all time in that role. Right? He’s just meant to mess up the top slot.

Marcus on March 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Jeb Bush is a conservative?
Oh Sure! Then Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank are blue dog moderate Democrats!
Who the heck moved the bar?

KOOLAID2 on March 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM

certain people in the leadership of the United States Congress have made a decision that their primary objective is not fixing the economy, it is defeating this president.

Probably because they are the same thing, Skippy.

Kataklysmic on March 2, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I’m sick of my only option being which establishment candidate can you stomach the most? How many times will we have to say “I don’t really like any of them, but…” and vote right down party line. I’m 29. I voted for the “compassionate conservative” Bush in 2000 because he was the republican. I defended the hell out of him and voted for him again in 2004, obviously, because he was the republican. Same in ’08. I naively wanted Romney, but voted McCain (like there is any difference) so I could help the team win.

I listened to Rush and Levin and Glenn. I watched Foxnews and only Foxnews, regularly. I’d brag about how “I don’t watch the mainstream media” unable to see the irony that Fox has more viewers than every other cable news channel combined. I would go to Drudge multiple times daily and keep up with only the news cycle that he peddled. I was informed. I knew I was informed. Liberals know nothing, liberals hate and are destroying this country, liberals don’t care about patriotism OR the constitution OR freedom, blah, blah, blah. While that’s true, they don’t :D I was never looking at the other side of the same coin. Why hadn’t they informed me of the path of destruction, debt, and disregard for our Constitution that the “conservative” majority Congress and Bush had actively been undertaking for the last two decades? Why don’t they ever talk about how deficit spending really started under Reagan, ramped up with Clinton, and then exploded with Bush? And why wasn’t I smart enough to see through it?

The reason is that the “conservative” party was hijacked long before many of us were ever born and we’ve never gotten a chance to truly appreciate or learn about what REAL conservatism is. We get accustomed to getting our news from comfortable sources. Sources that reinforce our beliefs, regardless of whether or not they are right. Here’s something everyone should know: Ron Paul is the last remnant of what, for the majority of our nation’s history, was considered conservative.

You hear Rush or Levin say “neo-cons” and immediately you think of the David Frums or David Brooks or Bill Kristols. But in reality, they don’t even realize that they should be looking in the mirror. It’s every program on Fox; it’s all the talk radio personalities “conservatives” adore as these brilliant beacons of truth and knowledge. Hannity is one of the most vocal with his, “I’m not a republican, I’m a conservative.” Whether its self-delusion or just ignorance, I couldn’t tell you. Do I think these guys lack intelligence? Absolutely not. They have accrued a lifetime of knowledge and on many subjects, they are spot on. The problem is that very often they are not right and their influence is so pervasive that many people blindly follow them regardless. Myself included for a long time.

My awakening came just last spring when I got into an argument over our foreign policy. I rattled off all the talking points I had come to know as truth. “The world needs us to keep them safe. They might act like they hate us, but we’ll see who they call when they need help. The terrorists attacked us for our freedom, our ideals, our culture, etc.” It wasn’t until I decided to open a book to better educate myself on why I believed, what I believed, that I realized how misinformed I had been. Have you ever said, “I like Ron Paul, except for his foreign policy?” I did too, frequently. If you ask the average GOP voter to describe RP’s foreign policy in one word the most frequent responses would be “crazy” “dangerous” or “isolationist.”

How could a guy so spot on about economic and domestic policy be so wrong on foreign policy? To better understand this I decided to read his book The Revolution: A Manifesto and got to see his views straight from his pen, without the bias.

Consider my amazement when he tried to defend his positions by quoting from the founding fathers: Washington, Jefferson, and Adams. Wait…what? That can’t be. These same founding fathers that we hold in such high esteem shared the same foreign policy views as “crazy, isolationist” Ron Paul? It couldn’t be, yet it was staring me right in the face. If you don’t believe me, look it up for yourself. I read on. He considered himself not an isolationist, but a noninterventionist. If you’re anything like I was, you’re probably thinking, what’s the difference?

Consider this quote:

“It is easy to dismiss the noninterventionist view as the quaint aspiration of men who lived in a less complicated world, but it’s not so easy to demonstrate how current policies serve any national interest at all. Perhaps an honest examination of the history of American interventionism in the twentieth century, from Korea to Kosovo to the Middle East, would reveal that the Founding Fathers foresaw more than we think.

Anyone who advocates the noninterventionist foreign policy of the Founding Fathers can expect to be derided as an isolationist. I myself have never been an isolationist. I favor the exact opposite of isolation: diplomacy, free trade, and freedom of travel. The real isolationists are those who impose sanctions and embargoes on countries and peoples across the globe because they disagree with the internal and foreign policies of their leaders. The real isolationists are those who choose to use force overseas to promote democracy, rather than seeking change through diplomacy, engagement, and by setting a positive example. The real isolationists are those who isolate their country in the court of world opinion by pursuing needless belligerence and war that have nothing to do with legitimate national security concerns.”

That was enlightening truth straight from the mind of Ron Paul. Have any of you ever heard his foreign policy presented like that? I hadn’t. If you have and still consider him nuts, than I’m sorry I’ve wasted your time and you can just quit reading because I doubt anything else I can say will sway you. When you understand that though and really think about it, it’s no wonder the soldiers overwhelmingly support him, receiving five times the military donations as every other candidate combined. Unlike EVERY OTHER candidate who are all bankrolled by giant corporations and Wall Street, Ron Paul’s top 3 donors come from individuals in the US Army, US Air Force, and US Navy. Maybe instead of throwing that yellow ribbon on the back of your car, you actually listen to and support the troops. You know those same troops who support Ron Paul. Its sad how those who rail on about the injustices and dangers of governmental intervention in our country, fail to even question when we pursue the same actions overseas.

After understanding his views and finding myself agreeing with them, I decided to consider the whole package. Here we have a candidate who went to Washington D.C. having already served a lifetime in the private sector as an OB/GYN. Spurred to action by a deep understanding of history, our Constitution and sound economic policy and foreseeing the dangers inherent in the direction the country was headed, set out to make a difference. His principles were grounded in the wisdom of the Founding Fathers and knowledge of Austrian Economics. It’s easy to be consistent when you know what you believe in and have a framework on which you base your decisions, the Constitution. He never once voted to raise taxes, never once voted for an unbalanced budget, never once voted for anything he wasn’t expressly permitted to by his oath of office to that founding document.

There’s a reason he is never attacked on his record, it’s because they can’t. It’s flawless and purely consistent. There’s a reason he was the lone no vote in congress, over and over again, on bill after bill. He didn’t have the authority. Imagine how much integrity and personal courage it took to take that stand, time and time again, all the while knowing he was going to be labeled a kook or unpatriotic because of it. Imagine the patience of this man, surrounded by the cesspool of corrupt, ignorant, opportunists in politics only for the fame and fortune, shining the beacon of individual liberty and steadfastly moving onward converting followers’ one person at a time. They say that once you become a Ron Paul supporter, you’re a supporter for life. I believe that to be true. The message of true liberty, once understood, is too powerful.

It’s because of Dr. Ron Paul that for the first time in my life I’ve donated politically, volunteered for a campaign, sought to educate myself more fully on economics, history, the Constitution, the dangers of the Federal Reserve and interventionism (foreign and domestic) and why I believe what I believe. Finally, I’ve got a candidate that I want to vote for; I’m excited to vote for and will do what I can to inspire others to vote for. That’s why myself and millions like me will be voting for Ron Paul and no one else. The GOP can once again nominate whatever puppet, establishment candidate, they’d like. And when Obama wins re-election, you can all stand around scratching your heads and pondering why, but just remember that I tried to warn you.

*Written by KingDiz, via DailyPaul

dom89031 on March 2, 2012 at 10:25 PM

“Despite how the fairy tale goes, in reality the backslapping Republican moderates are the ones who helped bring this nation to the brink of financial ruin. And only bold and principled conservative leadership can save us.”

It was the “moderates”, ie RINOs, that gave us 0bama and a democrat supermajority congress. It was the RINOs who made the republican party the minority party for 40 years, and let the progressives corrupt every facet of American public life.

There is no such thing as a “responsible” moderate, and moderation is not going to pull this republic back from the brink of bankruptcy.

Moderates, RINOs – you can all go to hell.

Rebar on March 2, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Stay out the Bushes.

SlaveDog on March 2, 2012 at 10:26 PM

“‘Every time we’ve run as a conservative, we’ve won,’
GWB ran as a conservative?

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM

A good man…but he fooled me once…and look what happened when he fooled me twice!

KOOLAID2 on March 2, 2012 at 10:27 PM

What Democrat would not worry about a popular leader from a critical state who sounds pretty moderate and can rescue the GOP from its anti-Latino death grip?

Nobody will ever out-Hispander McCain and it got him exactly Jack Squat. He still lost the Latino vote 65-35. Next.

Kataklysmic on March 2, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Is this how they get Jeb into the White House with a Bush weary public?

KickandSwimMom on March 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

If Mitt were smart, he’d put a solid conservative on the ticket, like West or Rubio.

John the Libertarian on March 2, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Moderates who will give the 49% only half the free stuff the Democrat socialists will give the 49% will always lose the 49% and just enough of the 51% to LOSE THE ELECTION!

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Ron Paul. . . Have any of you ever heard his foreign policy presented like that? I hadn’t. If you have and still consider him nuts. . .

Yes, he’s nuts.

Emperor Norton on March 2, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Stay out the Bushes.

SlaveDog on March 2, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Get in the bush! – Fluke.

Electrongod on March 2, 2012 at 10:30 PM

“Despite how the fairy tale goes, in reality the backslapping Republican moderates are the ones who helped bring this nation to the brink of financial ruin. And only bold and principled conservative leadership can save us.”

Yeah like the “true conservative” GOP candidates in Newt and Rick who actually held leadership positions in congress when all spending skyrocketed and nothing was done about the impending entitlement crisis. That kind of bold conservative leadership?

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Get in the bush! – Fluke.

Electrongod on March 2, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Bwahaha!

Nicely played.

John the Libertarian on March 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Yeah like the “true conservative” GOP candidates in Newt and Rick who actually held leadership positions in congress when all spending skyrocketed and nothing was done about the impending entitlement crisis.

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM

The two guys who made welfare reform possible? Those two? Cause they actually rolled back government a little which is more than any of the others have done. Coincidentally they are not all that popular in DC.

Instead we should go with the guy who pushed through a big government health care bill which has his name attached to it. Do I mean Obama or Romney, or does it even matter?

sharrukin on March 2, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Nobody will ever out-Hispander McCain and it got him exactly Jack Squat. He still lost the Latino vote 65-35. Next.

Kataklysmic on March 2, 2012 at 10:27 PM

This. Can’t remember who it was, but some conservative talking head once said in an interview, “We get 30-35 percent of the Hispanic vote if we cater to them, we get the same if we don’t. So why bother?”

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Yeah like the “true conservative” GOP candidates in Newt and Rick who actually held leadership positions in congress when all spending skyrocketed and nothing was done about the impending entitlement crisis. That kind of bold conservative leadership?

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Well, we get one of the three unless there is a brokered convention and a dark horse comes out of there. So pick your poison and drink deep.

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Jeb Bush can go f himself. Spoiled brat who thinks America should be a monarchy.

VorDaj on March 2, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Get in the bush! – Fluke.

Electrongod on March 2, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I guess we’re not haggling over the price anymore.

SlaveDog on March 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM

He got reelected because people were (correctly) nervous about switching CIC’s in the middle of the War on Terror.

MelonCollie on March 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Right, it couldn’t have had anything to do with the fact that John Kerry was a complete and utter assclown.

You-Eh-Vee on March 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM

“‘Every time we’ve run as a conservative, we’ve won,’
GWB ran as a conservative?

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM

GWB wrapped himself in the flag and waved a Bible under the noses of enough conservatives, which was enough to win the first time.

He got reelected because people were (correctly) nervous about switching CIC’s in the middle of the War on Terror.

MelonCollie on March 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Am I the only one getting these “you’re posting too quickly messages?”

I mean, geez, I’m not exactly a lightning fast typist, but I’ve had three or four of them tonight.

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:38 PM

The two guys who made welfare reform possible? Those two? Cause they actually rolled back government a little which is more than any of the others have done

Where is this welfare reform? It’s a soundbite when the truth of the matter a higher percentage of people are on one form of government assistance now then ever before. And no they didn’t roll back government, not one iota, another soundbite not based in truth. The government was expanding at an unbelievable rate when they were there also. Granted not as much as under Obama but that ain’t saying much.

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Where is this welfare reform? It’s a soundbite…

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:39 PM

No it isn’t a soundbite. Its one drop in a very large bucket. That doesn’t change the fact that they did do it, and they at least tried which is more than the others have done.

sharrukin on March 2, 2012 at 10:40 PM

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I had the same thing in the Scott Brown thread. Maybe the timing gear is shot in the Hot Air motor.

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:42 PM

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:38 PM

I’m seein stuff posted and when I post i jump ahead of what I just saw, like above with 7%,,, he was first, UNLESS , damn maybe I am seein the future,,,,, ah Mr Habibobi I want powerball for 1000.00….

Your a winner! Yipeee I can see the future!

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:42 PM

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Maybe ya got the banhammer! Ya haven’t been makin fun of Allahs cat or meghan Mc have ya?

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:43 PM

No more Bushes ever. Especially Jeb, who makes Brother George look like Sheriff Joe.

As much as I loathe Romney, I would vote for him against Obama. If Jeb is the nominee, I’ll vote third party.

bw222 on March 2, 2012 at 10:44 PM

No it isn’t a soundbite. Its one drop in a very large bucket. That doesn’t change the fact that they did do it, and they at least tried which is more than the others have done.

sharrukin on March 2, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Do what? They didn’t do squat. They watched over an ever expanding and costly federal government, they didn’t try anything. Who do you think you’re kidding?

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Get in the bush! – Fluke.

Electrongod on March 2, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Has Fluke made her Urban Dictionary debut, yet?

MeatHeadinCA on March 2, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Am I the only one getting these “you’re posting too quickly messages?”

I mean, geez, I’m not exactly a lightning fast typist, but I’ve had three or four of them tonight.

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Ed posted this morning that they’re working on the problem or switching servers or something. I’ve been reading from the bottom up all day!!

JPeterman on March 2, 2012 at 10:45 PM

GWB ran as a conservative?

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Yes, and governed as a moderate, especially in his second term.

bw222 on March 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Nicely played.

John the Libertarian on March 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM

I refrained from typing…
A collective bush and luv you long time…

…oh wait…

Electrongod on March 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

I guess we’re not haggling over the price anymore.

SlaveDog on March 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Section 1068 of Affordable Health Care…
Obama gets to set the price….
There is a label for him….
Hmmmm.

Electrongod on March 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

And I just jumped ahead of two posts already posted AGAIN after gettin that slow down message you are getting. I think Breitbart may be haunting the thread havin fun with the troops

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

CK, it just happened again.

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Maybe ya got the banhammer! Ya haven’t been makin fun of Allahs cat or meghan Mc have ya?

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Not when he was around. Maybe somebody ratted on me.

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Emperor Norton on March 2, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Damn so i really am not seein the future? Crap and I just spent 1000.00 on powerball

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Am I the only one getting these “you’re posting too quickly messages?”

The site thinks you’re posting too quickly because it’s stuck 4 minutes in the future–so your post appears 4 minutes faster than it’s supposed to.

Next Sunday, we start Daylight Savings Time. So then your posts will be 64 minutes in the future–or 56 minutes in the past–at the same time. As Ron Paul supporters would say, “Whoa!”

However, in Arizona, which does not observe Daylight Savings Time, your posts will still be 4 minutes in the future, but still 60 minutes ahead of California.

Emperor Norton on March 2, 2012 at 10:50 PM

I’m all in favor of nominating a Conservative every single election.

However, Nixon was moderate, Eisenhower was moderate, Bush 41 and Bush 43 were moderates. Together, they won 7 out of 8 elections.

Can we put this argument to rest already?

ardenenoch on March 2, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Re-elect President Gandhi! Four more years!!!

John the Libertarian on March 2, 2012 at 10:50 PM

They all see us, the citizens, as their enemy. We are only to solicited for donations and used for votes. Then we are to shut up and keep quiet while they make their deals. But, as Andrew Breitbart might say, no more, it isn’t gonna work that way anymore.

d1carter on March 2, 2012 at 10:51 PM

CK, it just happened again.

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:47 PM

You’re posting too fast. Settle down. Take a chill pill. Sheesh.

John the Libertarian on March 2, 2012 at 10:51 PM

And all I ever said was that both his cat and Megan never do anything but lay around on the couch and eat. I can get in trouble for telling the truth?

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:51 PM

ABO everyone. I hope for our country that is correct.

And if anyone is the praying type, please spare one for my family today. Layoffs at the husband’s company hit today and he was part of the cut along with others. It really sucks, but hey, I know a lot of rice and bean recipes, we’ll be fine. Just spare a thought or prayer if you can. And vote this SOB out of office come November.

BakerAllie on March 2, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Obama? Jeb Bush? Romney? Once upon a time in the west there were leaders of men and now… this is what we are reduced to?

sharrukin on March 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

yeah. And Andrew Breitbart is no longer with us. So depressing.

We have to the heavy lifting ourselves.

may he RIP.

SparkPlug on March 2, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Emperor Norton on March 2, 2012 at 10:29 PM

So I take it your against unconstitutional spending; unless it’s for unconstitutional wars

dom89031 on March 2, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Do what? They didn’t do squat.

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:44 PM

That squat was about a hundred times what Romney, or even Ron Paul ever did. I judge people on their actions and they fought and won when everyone else has given up. Boehner is too busy weeping and the rest of the GOP is more concerned about their own share of the public loot.

sharrukin on March 2, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Emperor Norton on March 2, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Well, thanks for clearing that up. I think.

And I just got a “too quickly” on this post too. *sigh*

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM

My point on GWB was he tried to distance himself from the conservative label with his “compassionate conservatism” mantra.

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM

I judge people on their actions and they fought and won when everyone else has given up.

Baloney, they fight and win anything, that’s the point. Arguing over at what rate of government expansion is best isn’t winning and that’s all they did. They didn’t cut, or reform or roll back a damn thing.

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Well, thanks for clearing that up. I think.

And I just got a “too quickly” on this post too. *sigh*

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Moving to a new server. I posted up there^^^^ somewhere.

JPeterman on March 2, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Dang look at that up thread I copied Norton at 10:50 and my post hopped ahead of the one I copied, sweet, baby I’s gonna bees first always!

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:55 PM

yeah. And Andrew Breitbart is no longer with us. So depressing.

SparkPlug on March 2, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Andrew Breitbart was on the outside looking in for the sin of speaking the truth. Depressing indeed.

sharrukin on March 2, 2012 at 10:56 PM

You’re posting too fast. Settle down. Take a chill pill. Sheesh.

John the Libertarian on March 2, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Decaf, ya think?

JP, got it. Thanks.

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:57 PM

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Well at least ya didn’t say the cat has more intelligent stuff to say than Meghan, but ya might be in a bit o trouble

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:57 PM

dom89031 on March 2, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Didn’t quite catch that, would you mind repeating?

Bmore on March 2, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Fluke you John Kerry

DHChron on March 2, 2012 at 10:57 PM

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:38 PM

I got the same thing. I posted something and then a few minutes later the moderator said I was posting too fast. I was really personally offended but I don’t want to cancel my subscription just yet.

Maybe Dr. Tesla broke one of the gears running HotGas. LOL

SparkPlug on March 2, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Didn’t quite catch that, would you mind repeating?

Bmore on March 2, 2012 at 10:57 PM

How could you not catch it? I thought you were the hunter. Hehe. Just kidding.

SparkPlug on March 2, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Fluke you John Kerry

DHChron on March 2, 2012 at 10:57 PM

I think it pronounced…
Fluck…

Electrongod on March 2, 2012 at 10:59 PM

SparkPlug on March 2, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I’m waiting for the “you are refreshing the page too fast” message.

predator on March 2, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Bmore on March 2, 2012 at 10:57 PM

It would be a lot easier if you just hit the PGUP button.

dom89031 on March 2, 2012 at 11:00 PM

You’re posting too fast. Settle down. Take a chill pill. Sheesh.

John the Libertarian on March 2, 2012 at 10:51 PM

I can’t afford chill pills. I want the gubmint to pay or rich people. Anybody but me. I need them or else I might procreate and that could get expensive for the payers who pay.

SparkPlug on March 2, 2012 at 11:01 PM

So I take it your against unconstitutional spending; unless it’s for unconstitutional wars

Ron Paul is nuts. Was that clear enough for you?

The issue isn’t whether defense spending of $700 billion is unconstitutional, or if a small fraction of that, to use for wars, is unconstitutional. The problem is that Ron Paul calls waging war a spending problem. Actually, the rest of the $3.7 trillion budget is the spending problem! And it’s got a $1.1 trillion deficit, too!

But the spending is not unconstitutional if they pass continuing resolutions.

Unfortunately, Ron Paul attracts peaceniks and potheads. Like Gene McCarthy. He is right on ending the Fed, but he spoils it by promoting reckless pacifism.

Emperor Norton on March 2, 2012 at 11:01 PM

My point on GWB was he tried to distance himself from the conservative label with his “compassionate conservatism” mantra.

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:53 PM

How is calling oneself a conservative, all be it a “compassionate conservative,” distancing onself from the conservative movement during the election? If he wanted to distance himself from conservatives during the campaign, he would have campaigned as a moderate. W campaigned as a conservative and governed as a moderate.

In 2004, we were in the middle of a war and Kerry would have been the farthest left President (pre-Obama)?

bw222 on March 2, 2012 at 11:01 PM

predator on March 2, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Weird threads today.

Bmore on March 2, 2012 at 11:02 PM

I think it pronounced…
Fluck…

Electrongod on March 2, 2012 at 10:59 PM

that’s how O’Reilly was pronouncing it tonight ;)

DHChron on March 2, 2012 at 11:02 PM

I think it pronounced…
Fluck…

Electrongod on March 2, 2012 at 10:59 PM

LOL I believe that’s German for ‘sl*t.’

cynccook on March 2, 2012 at 11:03 PM

that’s how O’Reilly was pronouncing it tonight ;)

DHChron on March 2, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Yeah, well, he was also baaaashing the oil companies again as well.

Lanceman on March 2, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Hello, Hello I can’t reload the page now, breitbart is that you , you magnificent bastrid you, havin some fun with HotGas or did Allah forget to pay the bill?

Callin Tina, Tina to the corner office Allah is messin it up and Drudge says u da won, Tina!

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 11:04 PM

How did I do that you were there first 7%

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

It’s OK…

… I’m an IT guy and Hot Air is definitely having “issues”.

Seven Percent Solution on March 2, 2012 at 11:06 PM

It’s a lot easier to get along with people when everybody minds their own business for a change…

FloatingRock on March 2, 2012 at 11:08 PM

And when, in all of human history, has that ever happened?

sharrukin on March 2, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Weird threads today.

Bmore on March 2, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Well, given all the time issues with the threads here, I can only offer this.

predator on March 2, 2012 at 11:08 PM

If people are tired of the escalating war between increasingly worthless, indistinguishable political parties, vote for Ron Paul. Polls consistently show he has the broadest political appeal and would help unify the nation behind American principles. It’s a lot easier to get along with people when everybody minds their own business for a change and stops trying to shove their own partisan big-gov agenda down the other sides throats all the time. That’s why he polls so well against Obama even though most of the Republican media dismisses or smears him. Why allow the two sides to continue down the road to C* war, for nothing but their own power, when there is a pressure release valve in the race speaking truth to power and making the most sense?

FloatingRock on March 2, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Bill O’Reilly talking points for tonight are right here.

And worth the listen if you missed it.

JPeterman on March 2, 2012 at 11:08 PM

No since from now on I can hop up thread like a bunny and will forevermore be first THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muF73GiqXoE

ConcealedKerry on March 2, 2012 at 11:09 PM

It’s a lot easier to get along with people when everybody minds their own business for a change…

FloatingRock on March 2, 2012 at 11:08 PM

And when, in all of human history, has that ever happened?

sharrukin on March 2, 2012 at 11:07 PM

The Time Warp.

sharrukin on March 2, 2012 at 11:10 PM

And when, in all of human history, has that ever happened?

sharrukin on March 2, 2012 at 11:07 PM

LOL Coming soon to a future near you?

cynccook on March 2, 2012 at 11:10 PM

GWB ran as a conservative?

lowandslow on March 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Considering the candidate that ran before him was Dole and before that was his Dad twice, many conservatives thought he sounded pretty conservative. During his second run, he sounded far more conservative than McCain sounded in 2008. There are many Republican voters that have never heard a conservative Presidential candidate run a general election campaign so it doesn’t surprise me that many thought Bush was. Considering that there isn’t a conservative candidate in this race, they will keep having to wait. Hopefully we can correct this in 2016.

Call me when the primary voters pick a squish so I know who to vote for against Obama.

Dawnsblood on March 2, 2012 at 11:11 PM

The issue isn’t whether defense spending of $700 billion is unconstitutional, or if a small fraction of that, to use for wars, is unconstitutional. The problem is that Ron Paul calls waging war a spending problem. Actually, the rest of the $3.7 trillion budget is the spending problem! And it’s got a $1.1 trillion deficit, too!

You are completly wrong and have no clue what his foreign policy is. Maybe if you stop listening to talk radio and Fox News you would have a clue. This article may help you understand his foreign policy:

http://paulcurtman.weebly.com/2/post/2011/12/i-like-the-founding-fathers-except-for-their-foreign-policy.html

FYI, Paul recieves more contributions from active duty military than all the other GOP candidates and Obama COMBINED, but this you ignore. His top three donors are the U.S. Army, U.S. Airforce and U.S. Navy…peacenicks and potheads huh?

dom89031 on March 2, 2012 at 11:11 PM

The Time Warp.

sharrukin on March 2, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I’m not sure why, but the notion that you even know what The Rocky Horror Picture Show is seems strange to me! :-D

cynccook on March 2, 2012 at 11:13 PM

… I’m an IT guy and Hot Air is definitely having “issues”.

Seven Percent Solution on March 2, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Wait. You’re IT Guy as well? GTFO!

Lanceman on March 2, 2012 at 11:13 PM

People need to realize that most of their favorite commentators on Fox News, NRO and the Weekly Standard—even Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin— were the guys that helped cheerlead Bush and the neocons while they spent so much money on big-gov programs and liberal nation-building efforts, not to mention using as a pretext to expand the police state. They’re the ones that mocked and ridiculed Ron Paul back in ’08 when he tried to warn America about the looming crash of our economy, and he had been warning for years before that when it might have made a difference if the dimwitts that everybody loves on Fox News and talk radio had taken Ron Paul, a much wiser man, seriously.

FloatingRock on March 2, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Well, I’ll tell you in very simple terms; certain people in the leadership of the United States Congress have made a decision that their primary objective is not fixing the economy, it is defeating this president.

Well there phukstick, we can’t fix the economy unless we defeat the Cool Kid in the white house….

Tim Zank on March 2, 2012 at 11:14 PM

$700 billion is unconstitutional, or if a small fraction of that, to use for wars,

And do you seriously think that the cost of our wars is only a small fraction of defense spending…No wonder the GOP is in shambles.

dom89031 on March 2, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Sandra Fluke and Jeb Bush can both go and f*ck themselves, separately or together.

Igor R. on March 2, 2012 at 11:15 PM

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