Video: Federal gov’t jobs “more complicated and difficult” than private sector?

posted at 12:45 pm on March 1, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Says who?  Well … federal employees, silly.  In fact, as The Daily Caller’s Michelle Fields discovers when interviewing these federal employees, they believe they are underpaid in comparison to the market, and call the opposite argument a “myth”:

So what dastardly conservative think tank came out with this “myth”?  None other than the Congressional Budget Office, which produces official analysis on budgetary matters for the House and Senate.  Only those employees with doctorates did worse than the private sector; otherwise, federal employees did much better on both wages and benefits:

Wages

Differences in wages between federal employees and similar private-sector employees in the 2005-2010 period varied widely depending on the employees’ level of education.

  • Federal civilian workers with no more than a high school education earned about 21 percent more, on average, than similar workers in the private sector.
  • Workers whose highest level of education was a bachelor’s degree earned roughly the same hourly wages, on average, in both the federal government and the private sector.
  • Federal workers with a professional degree or doctorate earned about 23 percent less, on average, than their private-sector counterparts.

Overall, the federal government paid 2 percent more in total wages than it would have if average wages had been comparable with those in the private sector, after accounting for certain observable characteristics of workers.

Benefits

The cost of providing benefits—including health insurance, retirement benefits, and paid vacation—differed more for federal and private-sector employees than wages did, but measuring benefits was also more uncertain.

  • Average benefits for federal workers with no more than a high school diploma were 72 percent higher than for their private-sector counterparts.
  • Average benefits for federal workers whose education ended in a bachelor’s degree were 46 percent higher than for similar workers in the private sector.
  • Workers with a professional degree or doctorate received roughly the same level of average benefits in both sectors.

Be sure to check out the chart on that page as well, which makes the comparison more clear.  And here’s the more comprehensive look:

This analysis integrated Current Population Survey data from 2005 through 2010 with data on a wide range of employee benefits to compare the cost of those benefits for federal employees and for workers in the private sector who have certain similar observable characteristics. In that comparison, we found that the average cost of benefits was about 72 percent higher for federal employees than for their private-sector counterparts among workers with no more than a high school education, was about 46 percent higher in the federal sector among workers with a bachelor’s degree, and was about the same in the two sectors among workers with a professional degree or Ph.D. Overall, federal benefits were about 48 percent higher, on average, than the benefits received by measurably similar private-sector workers. The most important factor contributing to differences between the two sectors in the costs of benefits is the defined-benefit pension plan that is available to most federal employees. Such plans are becoming less common in the private sector.

Benefits accounted for about 39 percent of total compensation (the sum of wages and benefits) in the federal sector versus 30 percent of total compensation at large firms in the private sector. We found that the average of total compensation was about 36 percent higher for federal employees than for their private-sector counterparts among workers with no more than a high school education, was about 15 percent higher among workers with a bachelor’s degree, and was about 18 percent lower among workers with a professional degree or Ph.D. Overall, total compensation for federal employees was about 16 percent higher, on average, than total compensation for measurably similar workers in the private sector.

If federal work is “more complicated and difficult,” it’s certainly not more well-informed and analytical.  And if it was true, then why didn’t these workers take jobs in the private sector instead?


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I think Soldiers would agree with that

liberal4life on March 1, 2012 at 12:46 PM

I hate public unions. Hate’em.

Ok, I feel better. A little, anyway.

Hate’em.

Shivas Irons on March 1, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I know a little about how government agencies operate. They actually don’t do anything. Virtually every thing that HUD does for example is contracted out.

Dasher on March 1, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Video: Federal gov’t jobs “more complicated and difficult” than private sector?

Says who? Well … federal employees, silly.

Gee, that’s kind of like the Downgrade Administration grading itself on it’s doing with the economy..

Talk about Grade inflation.

Chip on March 1, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Was the Army considered to be “federal job” for the purpose of the study? If so, the actual differences are much sharper. Soldiers are underpaid.

Archivarix on March 1, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Hey, it’s a lot of work, for an apparatchik to read, understand and implement a Five Year Plan.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 1, 2012 at 12:52 PM

It is more complicated and difficult to perform any task when you’re as intellectually challenged as most gooberment workers are. We should all feel sorry for them, really. They couldn’t make it in the real world.

natasha333 on March 1, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Did anyone ever notice that no matter how much money is thrown at teachers, they are still overworked and under-paid?

Chip on March 1, 2012 at 12:53 PM

I think Soldiers would agree with that

liberal4life on March 1, 2012 at 12:46 PM

You mean those baby killing savages? Oh wait today is Thursday, it’s “I LIKE SOLDIERS” day for liberals. Friday is “I LIKE RELIGION” day.

angryed on March 1, 2012 at 12:55 PM

There is a very simple solution to the equality. Every year, decrease all federal wages (except the Army) and benefits by 5%. After a few years, people will start leaving. When a certain position remains vacant for more than 6 months, restore the salary to the previous year’s level and do not decrease it any further. In a decade, the budget deficit will balance itself.

Archivarix on March 1, 2012 at 12:55 PM

About the time I finished college (c. 1970), whenever the subject of working for the government came up, anyone would tell you that you had more job security, a formal grievance/appeal process, and a better retirement plan…which made up for the not-quite-as-good salary, compared to the private sector. How things have changed.

Owen Glendower on March 1, 2012 at 12:55 PM

This is what unionism does to the brain. As a former UAW member myself I can tell you this is exactly the same kind of entitlement minded crap that they spewed constantly.

NotCoach on March 1, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Hey let’s be fair. Wasting 8 hours a day doing nothing while pretending to do something can be tough.

angryed on March 1, 2012 at 12:56 PM

It’s hard and difficult work turning citizens into subjects.

gwelf on March 1, 2012 at 12:57 PM

And if it was true, then why didn’t these workers take jobs in the private sector instead?

Anyone who has ever watched a federal or state employee work knows that answer to that question. I made a gag shovel last year to demonstrate that reality. It’s a metal handled flat shovel, with a bicycle kickstand welded to it. The government worker doesn’t even have to lean on it to hold it up.

SWalker on March 1, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Federal gov’t jobs math “more complicated and difficult” than private sector

FIFY

WeekendAtBernankes on March 1, 2012 at 12:58 PM

My first job was as a co-op work/study program at the EPA. What a bunch of slackers. I didn’t have any idea what most of the workers in the computer division did. I don’t think they did anything. You had people there who knew nothing, and yet were working there. Then the chemists just went through the motions in their jobs. The only bright spot was I got some training. That was 35 years ago.

Paul-Cincy on March 1, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Shivas Irons on March 1, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Hate’em.

I’ll see your Hate’em and raise it! I can not stand the whole blooming whine bunch! BTW, I should add NOT every person in a union whines?
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letget on March 1, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Ed, maybe we should refrain from using contradictory terms like Federal workers.

Federal paycheck collectors is a much more appropriate term.

Chip on March 1, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Did anyone ever notice that no matter how much money is thrown at teachers, they are still overworked and under-paid?

Chip on March 1, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Or that the quality of their work never goes up with the increase in their compensation. Abolish teachers unions and American Students will become competitive in the world again.

SWalker on March 1, 2012 at 1:00 PM

They’re so special and capable, that some are even recruited via pizza boxes.

hoosiermama on March 1, 2012 at 1:00 PM

I think Soldiers would agree with that
liberal4life on March 1, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Like the 80,000 Obama just fired while increasing every other department?

It’s precious when liberals hide behind the military.

gwelf on March 1, 2012 at 1:01 PM

It may be more complicated because the incompetent never get fired and everyone is always jockeying to do less and be paid more.

aniptofar on March 1, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Did anyone ever notice that no matter how much money is thrown at teachers, they are still overworked and under-paid?

Chip on March 1, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Many of the people with whom I attended high school and who became teachers (not usually the cream of the crop academically, mind you), do nothing on Facebook but complain that they’re underpaid, undercompensated, and underapprecaited. And then they post pictures all summer long on their three month vacations (and on all of their random holidays) saying how awesome it is having the summer and all these random holidays off.

When school starts back up, they act like they’re the most put-upon citizens in the entire society. Every year. Year in and out. They get raises every year.

Their utter obliviousness to the real world is something to behold.

Good Lt on March 1, 2012 at 1:03 PM

It sucks having a job where you need to become proficient at reading the paper and eating a doughnut, simultaneously.

/partly

Dusty on March 1, 2012 at 1:04 PM

I am considering starting a new small business. On Monday, through the appropriate inquiry email channels, I sent an email to (1) The state Dept. of Agriculture (2) the county Chamber of Commerce and (3) the city Chamber of Commerce.

No replies yet. They must be too busy managing this booming economy.

(Admittedly, CoC not a government agency, but they seem to emulate one…)

Tsar of Earth on March 1, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Some are, most aren’t. Pretty simple.

Flange on March 1, 2012 at 1:07 PM

They’re right! Quit your day jobs, Feds. Come join us! Or, even better: try starting a business. It’s super simple.

strictnein on March 1, 2012 at 1:10 PM

I think Soldiers would agree with that

liberal4life on March 1, 2012 at 12:46 PM

You’re not fooling anyone here by wrapping yourself in the flag.

The first target on any Democrats’ government to-cut list is ALWAYS the military.

Good Lt on March 1, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Anyone been to a Social Security office lately? Makes the DMV personnel look like geniuses. And lazy? Lets talk about lazy.

pat on March 1, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Many of the people with whom I attended high school and who became teachers (not usually the cream of the crop academically, mind you), do nothing on Facebook but complain that they’re underpaid, undercompensated, and underapprecaited. And then they post pictures all summer long on their three month vacations (and on all of their random holidays) saying how awesome it is having the summer and all these random holidays off.

When school starts back up, they act like they’re the most put-upon citizens in the entire society. Every year. Year in and out. They get raises every year.

Their utter obliviousness to the real world is something to behold.

Good Lt on March 1, 2012 at 1:03 PM

All I have to do is look at the parking lot of the school as I drop my kids off.

Teachers are paid fine these days. The PTA efforts to make them feel “appreciated” chap my hide — they’re doing this for altruism, sure… and fifty thousand other reasons as well. And get full insurance and three months’ break.

On the flip side — I think they can’t collect Social Security for some reason. So there’s that. Not that it’ll exist when I come of age either…

Prufrock on March 1, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Some are, most aren’t. Pretty simple.

Flange on March 1, 2012 at 1:07 PM

There are exceptions to any rule. I am sure there are young, bright eyed new federal employees who drank deep of the Kool Aid.

NotCoach on March 1, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I have worked in both Private and Federal/State Jobs.

30+ yrs Private, 10+ yrs State / Federal.

Currently in the DOD.

Private is much more demanding.
In State level Union jobs, In Federal Level Union jobs, you can retire while still working. You can’t get fired for being stupid and incompetent. Only Private can scare you and make you perform or ELSE.

No comparison. It’s a myth that Government Jobs are tougher than Private. Unsupported talking points. Virtual Reality, not Real.

JayTee on March 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM

On the flip side — I think they can’t collect Social Security for some reason.

They get pensions.

Good Lt on March 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM

When school starts back up, they act like they’re the most put-upon citizens in the entire society. Every year. Year in and out. They get raises every year.

Their utter obliviousness to the real world is something to behold.

Good Lt on March 1, 2012 at 1:03 PM

I have teachers and retired teachers in my family and while they are otherwise good people, they are some of the whiniest, most entitled people when it comes to their jobs. They get it drilled into their heads that they are doing “The most important job in the world.” The retired ones whine and complain if their medical benefits start having higher co-pays while collecting a full pension and living a pretty affluent lifestyle for retired people.

BakerAllie on March 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM

NotCoach on March 1, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Yep, but I was thinking of the actual jobs, not the specific people filling those jobs. Most of the jobs are pencil pushing bureaucrats or something fairly safe, but there are some dangerous jobs.

Flange on March 1, 2012 at 1:18 PM

“Math is hard”, said Barbie a typical unionized federal employee.

Steve Eggleston on March 1, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Don’t be a fool, stay in school. At least high school. Then, you too can work for the Feds.

OkieDoc on March 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM

. They get it drilled into their heads that they are doing “The most important job in the world.”

Remind them that soldiers, policemen, firefighters and doctors actually are more important than public school teachers.

Good Lt on March 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM

We have far too many government employees. Their wages, benefits, and the capital expenditures related to their jobs are a drag on the economy, and a large component of State and Federal budget bloat. We need to set as many as possible of these employees free, so that they can join the productive parts of the economy and become part of the solution rather than a big part of the problem.

fast richard on March 1, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Those hard working federal employees may be right. You know how hard it is to work for a stupid, lazy, insolent, arrogant and unscrupulous boss? Well now, how would it be if not only your boss but his/her boss and then his/her boss and their bosses were stupid, lazy, insolent, arrogant and unscrupulous? All the way up to the Cabinet Sccretary. And their boss too! We ought to pay them more!!! /s

jb34461 on March 1, 2012 at 1:21 PM

At which taxpayer funded boondoggle was that video shot? Why have a video conference when you can fly 600 hard working employees stay in the best hotels in the best cities.

eagleriverboy on March 1, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Oh, boo-freakin’-hoo. Members of our armed forces (God bless them) are underpaid, certainly, but any low-functioning drone who gets inserted into the federal system is continuing to practice taking the easy way out, with union protection to shield him / her from their own incompetence.

Need proof? Let’s see a report of what college degrees members of the feral workforce possess. It’s dollars to donuts that there will be proportionally more liberal arts degrees in meaningless fields than you’d find in the private sector. And why? Because getting a degree in such fields is the fall back course of action for these ineptocrats after they wash out of more challenging fields of study.

ya2daup on March 1, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I think Soldiers would agree with that

liberal4life on March 1, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Yes, especially now that JugEars has increased the cost of their families cost of health care…but, not any of the gobberment union workers. You have no clue…again!

KOOLAID2 on March 1, 2012 at 1:24 PM

federal employees did much better on both wages and benefits

It used to be that government pay and the work were crappy, and the only reason people worked for the government was “job security”. Now, working for ‘Uncle Sugar’ is a sweet deal.
Terrific.

Dexter_Alarius on March 1, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Paul-Cincy on March 1, 2012 at 12:58 PM

I am also a former EPA employee (at the state level), and, yeah – a total paper pushing waste. When there were actual problems – things where you might actually want to enforce blatant real pollution, they were impossible to address (favorites were played a lot). Moreover, most of the regulations made little, if any, sense from a scientific perspective.

20 page unenforceable permits to address dirt roads. No kidding.

It’s a shame really. There are lot of good people there who really do want to make a positive impact.

cktheman on March 1, 2012 at 1:27 PM

I work for a fed contractor as a network security type. (I’m intentionally supressing specifics.) I can easily agree that fed work is harder; there is about three times more silly bureaucracy than the commercial contracts I work on, and the tools I have to use for fed work are about half as useful. If feds want to whine about how hard their jobs are, maybe they could fire a few bureaucracts? Just sayin’…

apostic on March 1, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Federal paycheck collectors is a much more appropriate term.

Chip on March 1, 2012 at 1:00 PM

..attention K-Mart Shoppers, we have a thread winner. The rest of you can move along to another post.

The War Planner on March 1, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Remember when Ross Perot made it part of his campaign to single out the arrogance of the government workers, saying, “They have forgotten who they work for.”

jb34461 on March 1, 2012 at 1:28 PM

what insanity, I just don’t know what else to say. The gov employees I deal with can take a month long vacation. Who does that? I get excited about a long weekend once or twice a year.

joeindc44 on March 1, 2012 at 1:29 PM

I should clarify my previous post to read “I suspect favorites were played a lot”. I have no direct knowledge, just a feeling based on observations.

cktheman on March 1, 2012 at 1:29 PM

At which taxpayer funded boondoggle was that video shot? Why have a video conference when you can fly 600 hard working employees stay in the best hotels in the best cities.

eagleriverboy on March 1, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Based on the badges, I’m pretty sure it was this event from Wednesday. I sure hope nobody missed any work!

forest on March 1, 2012 at 1:29 PM

My proposals, cut federal pay by 20%, end the pensions and make something like everyone else with 401Ks. Also, there needs to be:
a. attrition by performance and failure to matriculate to higher pay grades.
b. a code of justice to prevent overreach like the chick who looked up joe the plumber’s bidness.

joeindc44 on March 1, 2012 at 1:30 PM

“He has erected a Multitude of New Offices, and hither swarms of Officers to harass our People, and eat out their Substance.”

Bureaucrats are a pestilence on the Republic.
Our forefathers fought a revolution and created a country for less than what we’re enduring today. Will we reclaim our liberty or will we meekly cower before cockroaches until our children know nothing but slavery and call it freedom?

single stack on March 1, 2012 at 1:30 PM

D O W N S I Z E !

hillbillyjim on March 1, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Yeah, because shirking responsibility is way tougher than thinking on your feet and making the tough decisions. Then there’s all those sleepless nights worrying about losing their job should they ever make the slightest mistake.

antipc on March 1, 2012 at 1:32 PM

The only people in government who do any work are the lawyers and the front-line regulatory people (e.g. the permitting people at EPA and the food inspectors.) A few researchers do actual work but a lot of them don’t. Most agencies could take a 50% personnel cut without missing a beat.

I’m still trying to figure out what a “program analyst” does. Every federal agency has dozens and even hundreds of them. Go to USAJobs and you will see many openings for these jobs. Some of them pay six-figure salaries. What on Earth do they do?

rockmom on March 1, 2012 at 1:32 PM

I have teachers and retired teachers in my family and while they are otherwise good people, they are some of the whiniest, most entitled people when it comes to their jobs. They get it drilled into their heads that they are doing “The most important job in the world.” The retired ones whine and complain if their medical benefits start having higher co-pays while collecting a full pension and living a pretty affluent lifestyle for retired people.

BakerAllie on March 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM

You have it correct. I have 3 children in school. The majority of teachers today (not all) are not passionate about the role of teaching. They are teaching because of benefits, summers off ( a benefit) and short work day. Why do teachers get so many ‘days off’ during the school year when they get so many days off in fall, spring, at Christmas, and summer? Can’t figure that out. Education is in the dumpster these days. I have a former 25 year teacher in my family. She has quite a nice retirement.

FastTalker on March 1, 2012 at 1:33 PM

And if it was true, then why didn’t these workers take jobs in the private sector instead?

Because in the private sector you have to produce real results and provide value for the value you receive. They don’t even know what that means, much less how to do it.

RadClown on March 1, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Most government civil service people are nothing but bureaucrats. The complicated work gets outsourced to us contractors. I’ve been in DoD for 29 years – 4 active duty Air Force and 25 as a contractor. Once you’re in civil service 3 years it’s like getting tenure – it’s almost impossible to fire or layoff a person no matter how worthless they are – and knowing that leads to a lot of them being very worthless. There are also a lot of them that get a major power trip from “owning” a bunch of contractors or lower level peons and do nothing but feed the bureaucracy.

However, there are also quite a few former military people who go into civil service (mostly in DoD or VA) and do very good work because they keep their military service attitude.

dentarthurdent on March 1, 2012 at 1:38 PM

My proposals, cut federal pay by 20%, end the pensions and make something like everyone else with 401Ks. Also, there needs to be:
a. attrition by performance and failure to matriculate to higher pay grades.
b. a code of justice to prevent overreach like the chick who looked up joe the plumber’s bidness.

joeindc44 on March 1, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Why do you hate the military?

liberal4life on March 1, 2012 at 1:46 PM

You wingnuts have no idea how hard I worked my @$$ off, getting my Poli Sci degree, with that minor in Womyn’s Studies. You extremist haters have no idea how much I still work my @$$ of as Assistant to the Undersecretary of Easter Decoration Enforcement, in the Human Rights Division of the Departments of Children, Learning, and Happy Thoughts, Grade 3

So bite me, haters. And please pay me for my birth control so I can f*** my way through the department, in search of a promotion to Assistant to the Undersecretary of Easter Decoration Enforcement, in the Human Rights Division of the Departments of Children, Learning, and Happy Thoughts, Grade 2.

MNHawk on March 1, 2012 at 1:46 PM

I want a gubment worker to come work alongside me at my job. Just for 1 day.

Lets see how they enjoy it.

UBuffaloBulls on March 1, 2012 at 1:48 PM

When my father retired after 30 years working for the completely gubmint funded PO, he had so much sick and vacation time accrued that he got paid his regular salary for at least six months before his pension kicked in. I have a few relatives currently working for Uncle Sam who get all those fluffy gubmint holidays plus the liberal sick and vacation time. One has flex hours and the other has gotten bonuses good enough to treat her family to a Hawaiian vacation. Yeah, it’s really “complicated and difficult” accepting those gubmint perks.

When I worked for the Census Bureau in 2009 and 2010, the most complicated and difficult task for me was keeping my mouth shut about what a bum we have for a Prezuhdunce–which is exactly what kept me from seeking permanent employment with dis gubmint.

stukinIL4now on March 1, 2012 at 1:52 PM

There is a very simple solution to the equality. Every year, decrease all federal wages (except the Army) and benefits by 5%. After a few years, people will start leaving. When a certain position remains vacant for more than 6 months, restore the salary to the previous year’s level and do not decrease it any further. In a decade, the budget deficit will balance itself.

Archivarix on March 1, 2012 at 12:55 PM

My… my… OMIGOSH! This ACTUALLY makes SO much sense! I’m sure every government official would be all over this like ants on spilt soda! Quick! Mr. Obooma, jump on this one before some savvy Republican does!

*crickets chirp*

Turtle317 on March 1, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Only those employees with doctorates did worse than the private sector

Hi.

Vyce on March 1, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Exactly, I work for a government contractor with contracts in Defense, State, Justice, DHS, and other agencies. Government doesn’t actually know how to do things so they contract it out to companies who do. Essentially it’s a “we have a problem, can you solve it for us?” or a “we have the solution, but not the expertise” kind of thing. Contractors take all the business risks, absorb all the B&P costs, and in many cases create the solutions for the government. The busiest office in most government agencies is the Contracting Office. Everyone else is processing their four pieces of paper a day and knocking off at 5:00 pm on the dot. You think the government figured out how to get us to the moon and back or knows how to build an aircraft carrier or how to train the police in Afghanistan? It’s all contractors.

Trafalgar on March 1, 2012 at 2:02 PM

I knew of a Dr of Education that worked for one of the Army Commands, prior to a massive ERP rollout.

After interacting with this sister-Command colleague daily for a few months it’s clear that she’s just an empty AA suit, getting more money than she deserve, with next to nothing impact.

AH_C on March 1, 2012 at 2:09 PM

I feel for these people. Since their jobs are so difficult and underpaid, they should quit in protest and get (and try to keep) private sector jobs.

Poor dears.

dragonhawk on March 1, 2012 at 2:21 PM

The fix is in! The CBO caved to Jugears. That’s all I gotta say.

timberline on March 1, 2012 at 2:21 PM

I have teachers and retired teachers in my family and while they are otherwise good people, they are some of the whiniest, most entitled people when it comes to their jobs. They get it drilled into their heads that they are doing “The most important job in the world.” The retired ones whine and complain if their medical benefits start having higher co-pays while collecting a full pension and living a pretty affluent lifestyle for retired people.

BakerAllie on March 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Take a look at the teacher parking in your neighborhood. Try to find a car older than 5 years.

angryed on March 1, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Hey let’s be fair. Wasting 8 hours a day doing nothing while pretending to do something can be tough.

angryed on March 1, 2012 at 12:56 PM

My definition of work is force times distance. If you spend all day pushing against the desk and the desk doesn’t move, no work is accomplished. (pushing paper from one pile to another doesn’t count.)

timberline on March 1, 2012 at 2:26 PM

The only way in which a government job is harder or more complicated than a corporate job is when is comes to the mountain of red tape that must be gone through to actually be able to accomplish that which you were hired to do.

Corporate America actually expects you to work and to accomplish. Government expects you to have to fight the sedentary inertia to accomplish anything.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 1, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Anyone been to a Social Security office lately? Makes the DMV personnel look like geniuses. And lazy? Lets talk about lazy.

pat on March 1, 2012 at 1:11 PM

And for some reason the clientele always appears to be one step below the local homeless shelter.

John Deaux on March 1, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Of course Gvmnt jobs are harder, that’s why they can’t keep people for more than 40 or 50 years – they burn out.

NotEasilyFooled on March 1, 2012 at 2:34 PM

To a chimpanzee, basic math is hard.

John Deaux on March 1, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Is that because the job itself is difficult; or because dealing with government is a clusterf**k.

If it’s the latter, then government is blame for its own difficulty right?

Cuz, when you get down to it, a government job is just paper pushing. It’s by no definition of the word … difficult.

lorien1973 on March 1, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Yes, a postal worker has a much more complicated and harder job than a surgeon. We never say “He went surgeon” now do we.

Bevan on March 1, 2012 at 2:45 PM

it only seems that way because of two things, 1. the lowest common denominators (liberals) generally get these jobs (or they become liberal to vote for their union entitlements), and 2. the piles of bureaucratic BS that other unelected liberals put on them.

kirkill on March 1, 2012 at 2:47 PM

think Soldiers would agree with that

liberal4life on March 1, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Funny, the people with the toughest job in the federal govt are the only ones not allowed to unionize.
BWAHAHAHA

Bevan on March 1, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Do you really think your Congress person has the ability to think? Think again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_staff There’s over eleven thousand of staff.

And while you are at it look at this listing and ask yourself what do they really do?
http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml

mixplix on March 1, 2012 at 2:51 PM

I have a part time job with a government agency and work with a lot of people who probably think their job is hard.
The only thing hard about my job is keeping all the paperwork in order. I have to document ONE phone call in no less than FIVE places. It is ridiculous.
I grew up the daughter of a business man who would freak out if I told him he had to implement all the STUPID rules I have to follow at work.
Total waste of time. Seriously – don’t know how long I’ll stay.

americanmama on March 1, 2012 at 2:57 PM

I bet you have to know someone to be a government contractor, too. A perfect resume won’t get you the goodies.

Mirimichi on March 1, 2012 at 3:05 PM

And for some reason the clientele always appears to be one step below the local homeless shelter.

John Deaux on March 1, 2012 at 2:33 PM

18th & Chicago in Minneapolis.

Maybe one elderly person there. Then there are some recent immigrants getting their papers in order. Then there’s the 80% who are obviously there trying for score some Obama stash in the form of disability, with 95% of those 80% being perfectly able bodied.

Yes, I have been to one a few times (for a recent immigrant) in the past year. Single worst government office to deal with, and to go to.

MNHawk on March 1, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Government jobs are more demanding???????

This is utterly ridiculous. I have numerous friends and colleagues with whom I have worked withe in private sector (small business – technology) that are now in government employ. Their opinion is that they did more in one day of activity than they get do in a week in the government position…

Now if the arguement is that they waste more time with bureaucratic idiocy….that would be a fair statement

abnormal_1 on March 1, 2012 at 3:07 PM

If it is ‘more complicated’ it is due to all the forms you have to fill out, the mandatory training, and the general increase in overhead of excess management with a philosophy that ‘any manager can manage any office’ and do so horribly… yes that is ‘complicated’ and ‘difficult’.

And THAT is even before you start in on office politics, turf wars, meetings (and more meetings, and meetings about meetings), staff meetings (which are different from other meetings), having to get anything counter-signed at least once if not three times before you can requisition anything… and then the mad rush to spend money at the end of the FY because Congress threatens to cut your budget if you don’t spend it all…

This stuff is not worthy of extra pay.

And it is not worthy of the American people, either.

Whenever government expands it gets disproportionately more management positions while never being better managed. I’ve seen this in action… or inaction as the case may be…

There is nothing so good about government that it couldn’t lose 50% of all the positions and still run just as well as it does now. Perhaps better than now, actually.

ajacksonian on March 1, 2012 at 3:30 PM

What is the name of the song at the beginning of the video?

netster007x on March 1, 2012 at 3:50 PM

To be perfectly fair, if you are a fed gov’t employee, you are probably surrounded by other fed gov’t employee… So their jobs probably are more complicated and difficult than they need to be.

bitsy on March 1, 2012 at 3:51 PM

One child a Fed employee and believes he is paid less than private sector. Refuses to believe otherwise in spite of evidence.

jeanie on March 1, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Unless you’re in the active military (and I was that too not too long ago) … then there’s no way your job is more difficult and complicated than my government job.

I make $60K in this job – got a $400 bonus last year actually, pay’s been “froze” now for over a year.

I’m not complaining – I LOVE THIS JOB. I’d do it for $45K. I have to stay in athletic condition and, about three months each year – I deploy to some pretty harsh and dangerous environments. This job is difficult, dangerous, and dirty. Most of you reading this don’t have the stones for this job – you’d run home crying to your mommy. Either that, or you’ve eaten too many bags of potato chips while sitting your lard ass in front of your HD television screen watching AMERICAN IDOL.

And no, I’m not a member of any government “union”. Actually, when I signed on to this job I had to attend union brief as a part of my “orientation”. I got thrown out of the brief … well they asked me leave actually because they said I was creating a hostile environment for the union guy giving the brief. It wasn’t a problem though – because all the guys in my shop are anti-union, including my bosses – so I didn’t get into any trouble.

But yeah – all you guys keep eating those pretzels, drinking beer and watching NASCAR – and talking about how superior you are to EVERY SINGLE government worker out there! LOL – yeah I know there are a lot of government losers out there – I have to deal with them to get my pay and manage my travel claims … but trying to paint every government worker as a slakard isn’t much different from a liberal trying to paint every Pro-Lifer as an extremist. Life is more complicated than stereotypes – and you’d think you’d all know that by now.

LOL – so go ahead and tell me how your job in … (lol) INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY (lol) is so “complicated” and “difficult”! Hell, the majority of you couldn’t even stand a month away from your families – that would be some kind of duress for you … and you sure wouldn’t do it for the measly pay of $60K

YOU’RE WELCOME! Now go back to watching DANCE MOMS!

HondaV65 on March 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

HondaV65 on March 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Ok, but you gotta admit there are a great many bureaucratic paper pushers that are an absolute waste of space!

I apologize for not knowing, but what is it that you do? Some of us “IT Types” do have difficult and complicated jobs.

dogsoldier on March 1, 2012 at 5:20 PM

LOL – so go ahead and tell me how your job in … (lol) INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY (lol) is so “complicated” and “difficult”! Hell, the majority of you couldn’t even stand a month away from your families – that would be some kind of duress for you … and you sure wouldn’t do it for the measly pay of $60K

YOU’RE WELCOME! Now go back to watching DANCE MOMS!

HondaV65 on March 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Wow man, you’re like a freakin’ superhero or something.

roy_batty on March 1, 2012 at 9:05 PM

In a decade, the budget deficit will balance itself.

Archivarix on March 1, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Unfortunately, no it wont. And that’s because the black hole in the budget is over on the SS/Medicare side. And, it’s not simply the costs, it is the entitlements themselves.

GWB on March 2, 2012 at 10:33 AM