Quotes of the day

posted at 10:47 pm on February 29, 2012 by Allahpundit

“These results strongly suggest that Romney has successfully positioned himself almost exactly in the middle of the Republican electorate. This is far and away his greatest advantage moving forward, as it makes it very difficult for any candidate to forge a voting coalition large enough to topple Romney. Gingrich or Santorum would have to cobble together a strange bedfellows, left-right coalition of the most moderate and most conservative Republicans to defeat him. If you cannot win 50 percent of the vote outright, this is the best way to win – splinter your opposition onto two sides.

“This points to the two major points to draw from yesterday evening. First, Mitt Romney has essentially failed to win a majority, or even an overwhelming plurality of Republican voters to date. His average vote haul in the prior states was roughly in line with what we saw last night in Arizona and Michigan – carrying somewhere around 40 percent of the vote. Second, no candidate has yet found a way to topple him, because the non-Romney voters are divided on opposite sides of him. Thus, while Romney is not going to surge to the nomination as the majority choice of the party, it is very difficult to see how any of the declared candidates topples him.”

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“Yes, his home state of Michigan was closer than Romney expected it would be a month ago (although not two weeks ago, when one poll had Rick Santorum winning there by 12 points). But the key detail in the exit polling from Michigan was this: Romney won the votes of self-described Republicans by 10 points, 47 percent to 37 percent.

“The fact that Romney didn’t win by a landslide in Michigan was apparently the result, in whole or in part, of mischievous Democratic voters trying to weaken him. Exit polls suggest that those voters added as much as 3.5 percentage points to Santorum’s total…

“Most Republican voters are out-and-out conservatives (indeed, 42 percent of all Americans describe themselves as conservative) — but they’re not necessarily tribal conservatives who are searching for someone ideologically pure to follow. Romney was more than conservative enough, it would appear, for a near-majority of Republicans in Michigan and Arizona.”

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“Romney has shown in Michigan as elsewhere a capacity to win votes in affluent areas—which is exactly where (at least in the North) Republicans have been weak in presidential general elections over the last 20 years. Look at it this way: in 1988 George H. W. Bush carried the five-county metro Detroit area 50%-49%–a tiny margin, but one which enabled him, with a 56%-43% Outstate margin that was underwhelming in historic perspective, to carry Michigan. Similarly, the elder Bush, with big margins from affluent suburbanites, carried metro Boston, metro New York, metro Philadelphia, metro Cleveland and metro Chicago, which enabled him to win the electoral votes of New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Illinois…

“Affluent suburban voters are not happy with the Obama economic polices and are facing a choice between a Democrat who wants to tax their marginal income at 44% and a Republican (whether it is Romney or Santorum) who wants to tax it at 28%. They are far less concerned than they used to be about the cultural issues which moved them to the left in the 1990s and kept them there up through and including 2008…

“Affluent suburbanites are not a target group anyone has focused on much. But there are plenty of them and they tend to be in states with lots of electoral votes currently considered unavailable to Republicans. Mitt Romney’s showing in Michigan, on top of his proven appeal to this demographic—and particularly to affluent women—suggests they could make a difference in November 2012.”

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“Michigan was Mr. Santorum’s best shot at delivering a fatal blow to Mr. Romney. He logged as many campaign stops as Mr. Romney, and he benefited from a social-conservative majority in the western part of the state. His super PAC spent more than it had in any other contest. Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich left both states largely to him—Mr. Paul focusing on the upcoming caucus states (Washington, Alaska, Idaho, North Dakota), and Mr. Gingrich trying to stop his slide in Georgia (his home state) where polls show Mr. Santorum gaining.

“Yet Mr. Santorum couldn’t beat Mr. Romney mano-a-mano. Unforced errors played a role. Mr. Santorum’s crude dismissal of John F. Kennedy’s famous 1960 speech advocating the strict separation of church and state didn’t come across well. Nor did his suggestion that wanting everyone to attend college is snobbish. And his robocalls inviting Democrats to crash the GOP contest boomeranged…

“Mr. Santorum is focused on Ohio, Tuesday’s key battleground with 66 delegates. Mr. Romney can afford a narrow loss there as long as he wins a solid plurality of all the Super Tuesday delegates. Mr. Santorum’s candidacy will realistically be at an end if he loses the Buckeye State, though he could linger for weeks. Even a win leaves him on life support unless he can also best Mr. Romney in Tuesday’s Southern contests, coming in first or second with Mr. Romney trailing in second or third place.”

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“‘This is like watching a Greek tragedy,’ McCain told the Herald. ‘It’s the negative campaigning and the increasingly personal attacks … it should have stopped long ago. Any utility from the debates has been exhausted, and now it’s just exchanging cheap shots and personal shots followed by super PAC attacks.’

“The Arizona Republican, who endorsed Romney earlier this year and is set to rally with him in Phoenix tonight, said he believes the former Bay State governor will get the nomination, yet he worries a long, drawn out primary campaign could leave Romney too wounded to triumph in November.

“‘I know he’s going to be the nominee but I also worry about how much damage has been done,’ McCain said. ‘I think we still can win. … Once we get this over, the more we’ll be focused on Obama’s failures.’”

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“It shows the Democrats are terrified of him.”


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The One!!!

??

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 10:49 PM

not first but BISHOP!

ted c on February 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Vote for Willard
Its His Turn

ted c on February 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

It was bishful thinking that I could be first. Oh Well.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Hang in there Newt…!!!

:)

Seven Percent Solution on February 29, 2012 at 10:51 PM

ROMNEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!1

HE WILL SAVE OUR COUNTRY.

Thats about all I have to say about that.

A pile of ashes and a charred sweater vest…that is all that is left with the peeping Rick (dont use contraceptives) tool boy Sanitorium.

out.

Jailbreak on February 29, 2012 at 10:51 PM

No Direing until page two. Dems da rulz.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM

not first or second, but DAVEY!

John the Libertarian on February 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I surrender.

JPeterman on February 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM

“‘I know he’s going to be the nominee but I also worry about how much damage has been done,’ McCain said. ‘I think we still can win. … Once we get this over, the more we’ll be focused on Obama’s failures.’”

Regretting the endorsement…McCain?
It will never be over….
The LSM is still around…

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

HNAG IN THERE NEWT!
CALLISTA, KEEP THAT GOLDEN HAIR STIFF AND READY!
WEST, KEEP YOUR SCHEDULE OPEN FOR A VP SLOT!

GhoulAid on February 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

No Direing until page two.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I figured you didn’t even read the first page of comments. ;)

John the Libertarian on February 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

“This points to the two major points to draw from yesterday evening. First, Mitt Romney has essentially failed to win a majority, or even an overwhelming plurality of Republican voters to date. His average vote haul in the prior states was roughly in line with what we saw last night in Arizona and Michigan – carrying somewhere around 40 percent of the vote. Second, no candidate has yet found a way to topple him, because the non-Romney voters are divided on opposite sides of him. Thus, while Romney is not going to surge to the nomination as the majority choice of the party, it is very difficult to see how any of the declared candidates topples him.

It’s time for the weakened caribou to cull themselves from the herd: yes, I’m talking to you, Tron Paul…

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

McCain said. ‘I think we still can win. … Once we get this over, the more we’ll be focused on Obama’s failures.’”

What’s stopping you now…?

Seven Percent Solution on February 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Vote for Willard
Its His Turn

ted c on February 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

I wish he would announce a plan that has a bunch of nines in it….
I hate to throw all these bumper stickers away…
/

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

“Mr. Santorum is focused on Ohio, Tuesday’s key battleground with 66 delegates. Mr. Romney can afford a narrow loss there as long as he wins a solid plurality of all the Super Tuesday delegates. Mr. Santorum’s candidacy will realistically be at an end if he loses the Buckeye State, though he could linger for weeks. Even a win leaves him on life support unless he can also best Mr. Romney in Tuesday’s Southern contests, coming in first or second with Mr. Romney trailing in second or third place.”

Santorum has to dominate on Super Tuesday. But with Newt rising in the Gallup poll and Mittens having the overall momentum(at least for now), that may not be possible. Unless something big happens at that Huckster debate this weekend, Santorum may have just seen his best shot at the nomination pass him by.

Doughboy on February 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

John the Libertarian on February 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

this is the first page. you can dire now if you want.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Most of what Jay Cost says you can take to the bank. He is far and away the most objective political analyst out there.

Priscilla on February 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Direing = “The GOP will _____ you.”

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM

not first or second, but DAVEY!

John the Libertarian on February 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Sad :(

More Davey

BakerAllie on February 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM

“Yet Mr. Santorum couldn’t beat Mr. Romney mano-a-mano.”

Oh, COME ON, WSJ!!!!

You guys were the one saying if Romney couldn’t crush Gingrich and Paul and Santorum he had “no business taking on Obama”. Well, Mittens squeaked out a 3 point win against RICK SANTORUM. And this excites you about his chances in November?

Marcus on February 29, 2012 at 10:59 PM

“These results strongly suggest that Romney has successfully positioned himself almost exactly in the middle of the Republican electorate.

Fiction is fun but not a good way to choose the president.

FloatingRock on February 29, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Sad :(

More Davey

BakerAllie on February 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM

He was so cute! I used to love watching reruns of the Monkees on Nick at Night.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 10:59 PM

The Monkeys were so fake. If you want real music listen to the Partridge Family. They Rock.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

He was so cute! I used to love watching reruns of the Monkees on Nick at Night.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 10:59 PM

I know! They played the show in syndication when I was a kid and my 8 year old self had a huge crush on him.

BakerAllie on February 29, 2012 at 11:01 PM

“These results strongly suggest that Romney has successfully positioned himself almost exactly in the middle of the Republican electorate.
Fiction is fun but not a good way to choose the president.

FloatingRock on February 29, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Yes, but what they didn’t explicity say was that “in the middle” means right between those who loathe him and those who merely despise him.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:01 PM

RomSanNewt-mentum!!!
;)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on February 29, 2012 at 11:02 PM

“Yet Mr. Santorum couldn’t beat Mr. Romney mano-a-mano.”

Oh, COME ON, WSJ!!!!

You guys were the one saying if Romney couldn’t crush Gingrich and Paul and Santorum he had “no business taking on Obama”. Well, Mittens squeaked out a 3 point win against RICK SANTORUM. And this excites you about his chances in November?

Marcus on February 29, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Good point.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:02 PM

The Monkeys were so fake. If you want real music listen to the Partridge Family. They Rock.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Up until Laurie Partridge’s tooth filling started singing too..
/

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 11:02 PM

The Monkeys were so fake. If you want real music listen to the Partridge Family. They Rock.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Awwwww yeah.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Lolz.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:03 PM

The Monkeys were so fake. If you want real music listen to the Partridge Family. They Rock.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Awwwww yeah.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Did you see that crowd? There must have been umpteen people there to see The Partridge Family.

Ok I didn’t mean to steal any thunder from the Monkeys, especially on a day day when one of them passed away.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Yes, but what they didn’t explicity say was that “in the middle” means right between those who loathe him and those who merely despise him.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Heh. Get outta my head …

ShainS on February 29, 2012 at 11:07 PM

“Most Republican voters are out-and-out conservatives (indeed, 42 percent of all Americans describe themselves as conservative) — but they’re not necessarily tribal conservatives who are searching for someone ideologically pure to follow. Romney was more than conservative enough, it would appear, for a near-majority of Republicans in Michigan and Arizona.”

I sorta really like Podhertz’s statement there. It’s a nice, round, general statement that works well with overall conditions at this time as to our nation and the GOP.

“Tribal conservatives” is an excellent description, made me laugh aloud.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

“‘I know he’s going to be the nominee but I also worry about how much damage has been done,’ McCain said. ‘I think we still can win. … Once we get this over, the more we’ll be focused on Obama’s failures.’”

McCain setting the stage for the “If I didn’t have to compete I would have won!” defense if Romney loses in November.

Just Sayin on February 29, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I nominate Gingrich for Secretary of State in a Romney Administration.

Wait, John Bolton. Gingrich can go handle the Dept. of Ed. and after he’s cleared that up, he can go punch out Freddie and Fannie.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Did you see that crowd? There must have been umpteen people there to see The Partridge Family.

Ok I didn’t mean to steal any thunder from the Monkeys, especially on a day day when one of them passed away.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:06 PM

LOL On behalf of all Monkees fans, no offense was taken. And at least Davy died in his sleep at home, not in some cheap motel room surrounded by drug paraphenalia and transvestite prostitutes. We count that as a win.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Come on Mitt.
Can you at least pick a VP that makes us happy…?

Go Tea Party and I’ll cough up some money.

NeoKong on February 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Lolz.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Never saw the Monkey’s….
I do remember the Mosquitoes..
I think someone on that island had a tooth that sang music as well….
But it cracked me up on how the “OFF” switch was activated.

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Most of what Jay Cost says you can take to the bank. He is far and away the most objective political analyst out there.

Priscilla on February 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Yes. As in, DITTO.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I do remember the Mosquitoes..

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM

You have never experienced the dire of mosquitoes until you’ve tried to spend July and August in the Florida Keys.

/tangent issue.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM

If you want real music listen to the Partridge Family. They Rock.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

♫♪ Come on, Get happy ! ♪♫

viking01 on February 29, 2012 at 11:16 PM

not first or second, but DAVEY!

John the Libertarian on February 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM

+ 100..Hear!..Hear!..Davey RIP..:)

Dire Straits on February 29, 2012 at 11:16 PM

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

From the article:

POSTHUMOUS MORMON BAPTISMSThe Mormon Church often carries out posthumous baptisms and says those who have died can choose to accept or deny it
They say it’s done as many dead people had no chance to be baptised on earth

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108323/Daniel-Pearl-suffers-fate-Anne-Frank-posthumously-baptised-Mormons.html#ixzz1npqUVohM

What is up with this? The article says the mormon church baptised Daniel Pearl posthumously? I’ve never heard of such a thing. Talk about forcing your religion upon someone. This is kind of creepy to me. Is this common in the mormon faith?

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Meanwhile, those wacky Mormons: ‘He’d laugh about it’: Murdered U.S. reporter Daniel Pearl becomes latest famous Jew to receive Mormon posthumous baptism

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Far better than those Muslims who took his head.

Think about it: do you want the Muslims or do you want those wacky Mormons praying for your soul?

When I’m in the afterlife, I’ll be happy knowing that someone cares enough to pray for me. I can’t say I’d have so much as a tad of affection or appreciation for the Muslims, however.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Looks like Newt has been busy..Check out the headlines..Playboy Space Station..:)

Dire Straits on February 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Hang in there Newt…!!!

:)

Seven Percent Solution on February 29, 2012 at 10:51 PM

The GOP brought this mess upon us. When Mitt ads started bashing Newt with utter lies, no one said anything. But now the meme is that all the negativity is hurting “the chosen one.” Romney is a sucky candidate. Period.

Can you imagine what would have happened if Fox News had had enough integrity to actually remain independent and had helped Newt instead? He is the smartest guy in the pack and the one who actually draws real excitement. The one who brings out the most passion against Obama. We would be showing a clear difference between our candidate and Obama. Instead, we end up with a “meh” guy who supposedly can attract the most idiots on the other side. I get it. I do. But if it ends up Romney, few will actually go to any great lengths to support him. The passion will be gone. Been there done that with McCain and we all know how that turned out.

Connie on February 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

The only thing wackier than the Partridge Family’s 16 or 17 year old David Cassidy singing B.B. King’s “The Thrill is Gone” would have to be 6 year old Michael Jackson singing “Oooh, baby give me one more chance….”

viking01 on February 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

You have never experienced the dire of mosquitoes until you’ve tried to spend July and August in the Florida Keys.

/tangent issue.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Actually…..
Well…maybe not…
I live in a county that sprays mosquitoes….
It doesn’t work….
But twice a week I hear the buzz of the fogging truck…

I guess the Florida Keys would be worst.

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

You peasants better get behind Romney.

He is your better. His supporters say so. He has won every northern state thus far. You know the Northern states are far smarter than those backwoods conservatives in the southern states.

Vote Romney. Republican Socialism is better than Full On Leftist Marxism.

FU southern bigots and racists. Romeny is the Only Nominee who can beat that Evil Obama.

You don’t want his Socialism, Romny’s is much better.

MadDogF on February 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM

“‘I know he’s going to be the nominee but I also worry about how much damage has been done,’ McCain said. ‘I think we still can win. … Once we get this over, the more we’ll be focused on Obama’s failures.’”

McCain setting the stage for the “If I didn’t have to compete I would have won!” defense if Romney loses in November.

Just Sayin on February 29, 2012 at 11:10 PM

You’re right but it’s time for McCain to but out, stop his public commenting on ‘what he thinks’ about anyone’s “chances” and just back off entirely from the GOP Presidential nominee’s campaign. Just go “shhh, shhhhh, shhh…shhh” whenever McCain starts his buggin.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:23 PM

What is up with this? The article says the mormon church baptised Daniel Pearl posthumously? I’ve never heard of such a thing. Talk about forcing your religion upon someone. This is kind of creepy to me. Is this common in the mormon faith?

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Apparently. Actually, it’s kind of sweet if you think about it: if you truly and sincerely believed that you knew the way to get to heaven and the only way to avoid the eternal torment of hellfire, wouldn’t you do anything you could to try to help others find it? Makes sense, right? But not everyone agrees, apparently.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Looks like Newt has been busy..Check out the headlines..Playboy Space Station..:)

Dire Straits on February 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

You can take the boy out of Playboy, but I guess you can’t take the Playboy out of the boy…. ;-S

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Think about it: do you want the Muslims or do you want those wacky Mormons praying for your soul?

When I’m in the afterlife, I’ll be happy knowing that someone cares enough to pray for me. I can’t say I’d have so much as a tad of affection or appreciation for the Muslims, however.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Uh, we’re talking about something more than praying for someone here. Are the mormons baptizing dead people into their faith?? Am I understanding this right??

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Can you imagine what would have happened if Fox News had had enough integrity to actually remain independent and had helped Newt instead?

That needs clarification. By “independent,” I mean independent of the GOP machine. And by “helping,” I mean making sure that all candidates accusations were held up to honesty scrutiny. They weren’t and still are not. Only accusations against Romney have been held up to the light.

Connie on February 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM

AP, you seem very willing to put your credibility on the line backing a person who selfdescribed as left of Kennedy. I suggest you take the time and listen to the speech Gingrich gave at the California GOP convention. Gingrich does not have to learn how to speak or think like a conservative. He is one. You have two problems. First is getting Romney to defeat Obama in the general. This time Romney will not have the most money, and what you sew, so shall you reap. Negative ads work, remember. Romney is just not capable of getting people fired up. How many standing ovations has he received at any speech he has given? Second problem. If he wins and does not govern as a conservative you are going to have to eat crow here till you retire. Bon chance.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on February 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM

You have never experienced the dire of mosquitoes until you’ve tried to spend July and August in the Florida Keys.

/tangent issue.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Actually…..
Well…maybe not…
I live in a county that sprays mosquitoes….
It doesn’t work….
But twice a week I hear the buzz of the fogging truck…

I guess the Florida Keys would be worst.

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

They ALSO fog in the Keys but it doesn’t seem to make one little dent in the monsters’ numbers. They’re viscious, huuuge and fill the air like, like, well, like big mosquitoes hungry fer yer bloood. And they take it.

It’s awful, you can’t even go outside for the sunset WITH bug spray, the skeeters will swarm all over ya’.

The only people I’ve ever known who aren’t as bothered by them as the rest of us are heavy smokers — something about they don’t expel as much carbon dioxide which is what the skeeters supposedly are drawn to one by, something like that, though it never made me start smoking again.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:25 PM

I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on February 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Uh, we’re talking about something more than praying for someone here. Are the mormons baptizing dead people into their faith?? Am I understanding this right??

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Serioiusly, I get it, I understand why some people are offended by this practice by some Mormons, I really understand that.

I’m just saying, as with Daniel Pearl, for Heaven’s sake, look how he perished. Something about anyone praying for his soul seems touching to me, not harmful.

And, in that light, I just find the GENERAL idea of people praying for others after their death rather touching.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:28 PM

“Tribal conservatives” is an excellent description, made me laugh aloud.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Ditto.

Priscilla on February 29, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Sorry. I laughed (shock-laugh) at the sturm und drang “Kill Romney” ad. I know it didn’t come from his campaign, but really…

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on February 29, 2012 at 11:29 PM

The only people I’ve ever known who aren’t as bothered by them as the rest of us are heavy smokers

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM

That is interesting…

My mosquitoes…(as if I own them)…
Are afraid of DEET.
The wimps they are compared to Florida mosquitoes.

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Far better than those Muslims who took his head.

Think about it: do you want the Muslims or do you want those wacky Mormons praying for your soul?

When I’m in the afterlife, I’ll be happy knowing that someone cares enough to pray for me. I can’t say I’d have so much as a tad of affection or appreciation for the Muslims, however.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

I can see that, and if anyway, if the Mormons are wrong, what’s the harm? God and those departed will have a little chuckle? It’s the thought that counts, right? And many people have forgotten that the Catholics have prayed for the conversion of the Jews since 1570.
While we’re on the subject, though, any significance to this?</em>

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:31 PM

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:19 PM

How could they do that? He didn’t have a head.

a capella on February 29, 2012 at 11:31 PM

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Apparently. Actually, it’s kind of sweet if you think about it: if you truly and sincerely believed that you knew the way to get to heaven and the only way to avoid the eternal torment of hellfire, wouldn’t you do anything you could to try to help others find it? Makes sense, right? But not everyone agrees, apparently.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:24 PM

I agree with you, cynccook.

I think it is mostly Jewish folks who find this practice by Mormons the most offensive. As if someone is “forcing Christ as Savior” on them in their afterlife, which isn’t at all the reality of what is taking place.

I wish more could accept the fact that prayer for others after they’ve left the living is a good thing, when the prayer is for their good things in the eyes of God. The context by denomination (save but for Islam) isn’t really, essentially, in my view, the issue. That they are being remembered and prayed for is what is important.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:32 PM

“‘This is like watching a Greek tragedy,’ McCain told the Herald. ‘It’s the negative campaigning and the increasingly personal attacks … it should have stopped long ago. Any utility from the debates has been exhausted, and now it’s just exchanging cheap shots and personal shots followed by super PAC attacks.’

January 4, 2008:

Romney Leads in Ill Will Among G.O.P. Candidates

“Never get into a wrestling match with a pig,” Senator John McCain said in New Hampshire this month after reporters asked him about Mr. Romney. “You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.”

INC on February 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

And, in that light, I just find the GENERAL idea of people praying for others after their death rather touching.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Nice spin. The practice is to baptize them after death into the Mormon faith. Gee what could Anne Frank and the Jewish people have found so offensive about that.

Marcus on February 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Any utility from the debates has been exhausted, and now it’s just exchanging cheap shots and personal shots followed by super PAC attacks.’

In other words now that the race is getting contentious there is too much truth getting out, and we can’t have that because if the voters have enough information to make an informed choice they’ll vote for somebody else.

FloatingRock on February 29, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I should say “Anne Frank’s survivors” as of course she died in a Concentration Camp. And not as a Mormon.

Marcus on February 29, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

I can see that, and if anyway, if the Mormons are wrong, what’s the harm? God and those departed will have a little chuckle? It’s the thought that counts, right? And many people have forgotten that the Catholics have prayed for the conversion of the Jews since 1570.
While we’re on the subject, though, any significance to this?

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Again, I agree with you.

I pray ALL THE TIME for the salvation of souls. I pray that God saves souls and I pray in that context for specific persons who I come into contact with or know about. I don’t pray for some sort of stoning of them or force-fed enslavement of them in some faith or denomination, I pray for their souls, that they be with God and find favor and life everlasting with Him, that their sins be forgiven.

I don’t do that to annoy or bother anyone but to ask God to extend his mercy to all who I come into contact with, the good, the bad and the very awful included. It’s not a vengeful act that I do, it’s not done in malice or anger, it’s an act of asking for God’s love to include (name). Praying for someone’s salvation is not a harmful or denigrating thing, it’s a good thing.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Apparently. Actually, it’s kind of sweet if you think about it: if you truly and sincerely believed that you knew the way to get to heaven and the only way to avoid the eternal torment of hellfire, wouldn’t you do anything you could to try to help others find it? Makes sense, right? But not everyone agrees, apparently.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Geez, and people are worried about Santorum forcing his faith on them? How can someone be baptised without their affirmation and consent? In the Catholic church, babies are baptized with the consent of their parents because they are unable to consent themselves. However, when they reach their teen years, they must affirmatively elect to become a member of the Catholic faith which is what Confirmation is all about. I really don’t get what the mormons are doing at all here.

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I think Romney is going to make a great President.

crosspatch on February 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Funniest political story you’ll read today:

State Environmental Official Forced To Resign Over Menacing Phone Call

Jonathan Schrag, a deputy commissioner in the state Department of Energy and Environmental Protection, submitted his forced resignation Wednesday morning, a day after a Courant columnist disclosed that a menacing call was placed from Schrag’s cellphone to the leader of a conservative women’s group last week

(…)

On Tuesday, Schrag denied making the call, and said he didn’t know who made it or how. He did acknowledge that it was his voice; he said he had made the comment in a social setting, and someone must have recorded it and then found a way to play it in the late-night phone call to David. Also, Schrag added, whoever did it somehow managed to make Schrag’s cellphone number come up on David’s caller ID.

Administration officials questioned the veracity of Schrag’s story.
(…)

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-schrag-0301-20120229,0,613810.story

Worst political cover-up of all times? “Yes, it’s my voice, from cellphone, but of course it wasn’t me!!!”.

joana on February 29, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Geez, and people are worried about Santorum forcing his faith on them? How can someone be baptised without their affirmation and consent? In the Catholic church, babies are baptized with the consent of their parents because they are unable to consent themselves. However, when they reach their teen years, they must affirmatively elect to become a member of the Catholic faith which is what Confirmation is all about. I really don’t get what the mormons are doing at all here.

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Well, now, you see, you’ve hit on the operative part of the whole enterprise. That’s why it seems so harmless to me, but then again, I’m not a Jew. Most of my ancestors weren’t hounded and oppressed for many millenia.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:40 PM

And, in that light, I just find the GENERAL idea of people praying for others after their death rather touching.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Nice spin. The practice is to baptize them after death into the Mormon faith. Gee what could Anne Frank and the Jewish people have found so offensive about that.

Marcus on February 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

I didn’t engage in “spin,” I’m not Mormon, I don’t know the specifics of what their practices are. So I can hardly be engaged in ‘spin’. What’s with your negativity?

And though I am not Jewish, I have heard/read some bitterness from some Jewish persons who complain as you do, but I don’t see the big offense there by Mormons to Jews. Prayer for someone’s soul is prayer for their benefit, their good, that can hardly be wrong or damaging.

Obviously, it insults some people who are living as to their egos and as to some theology, but it’s not as if someone is praying for harms to be upon Jews or even trying to harm them in this life. Thus, I don’t have an issue with Mormons praying for the souls of the deceased.

Perhaps you’re taking offense at hyper-imagined events? Someone’s deceased, someones in the life pray for them, how does that harm anyone?

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:41 PM

So where are Bmore and Igor and Cindy, et al.?

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Mr. Santorum’s crude dismissal of John F. Kennedy’s famous 1960 speech advocating the strict separation of church and state didn’t come across well. Nor did his suggestion that wanting everyone to attend college is snobbish. And his robocalls inviting Democrats to crash the GOP contest boomeranged

Boy did they ever boomerang..:)

Dire Straits on February 29, 2012 at 11:42 PM

You have never experienced the dire of mosquitoes until you’ve tried to spend July and August in the Florida Keys.

/tangent issue.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Before Deep Woods Off I’d soak in oil of citronella. Only thing that kept them and the sweat gnats at bay. You can lose a quart of blood in an hour or so.
New Jersey has the biggest skeeters I ever saw. They dont seem to bite. Just shock the crap out of you while the little ones drain you.

katy the mean old lady on February 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Marcus on February 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

And, it’s the occultists who pray for harms upon others, it’s not Christians who do. Debating Mormon’s position in that spectrum, whatever, but I don’t see that Mormons are praying for anything harmful to anyone in that practice of theirs. Presumptuous in a theological sense, perhaps, depending on one’s perspective, yes, but it’s not harmful to anyone.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Why discuss with you? It’s been repeated the Mormon ritual is to posthumously baptize a non-Mormon as a Mormon and you just candy coat it as “praying for them”.

Marcus on February 29, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Regarding the “kill Romney” ad, as somebody who will probably be voting 3rd party in the general election I’m hoping that Romney and Obama will split the big government vote and spend a few billion dollars attacking and destroying each other thus clearing the path for my candidate to win.

FloatingRock on February 29, 2012 at 11:45 PM

And, it’s the occultists who pray for harms upon others, it’s not Christians who do. Debating Mormon’s position in that spectrum, whatever, but I don’t see that Mormons are praying for anything harmful to anyone in that practice of theirs. Presumptuous in a theological sense, perhaps, depending on one’s perspective, yes, but it’s not harmful to anyone.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM

And some people are just hostile to all religion — or at least to Christianity.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:45 PM

The practice is to baptize them after death into the Mormon faith. Gee what could Anne Frank and the Jewish people have found so offensive about that.

Marcus on February 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Curious….
Romney has been a governor of a State…
Was his Mormonism a problem?
I am trying to understand how his faith…now…is a problem?

I don’t know where you live..
I live in Southern Idaho…lots of Mormons here.
I have them as family members and friends…..even bosses at times..
They conduct themselves like anyone else….as I have seen.
What is even strange…..ready…
You wouldn’t know they were Mormon unless they told you….
Well in my case I was the best man at my brother’s wedding and when I drove up to the church…..
But even that event wasn’t shocking…

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Perhaps you’re taking offense at hyper-imagined events? Someone’s deceased, someones in the life pray for them, how does that harm anyone?

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:41 PM

From what I can tell, these deceased folks are being converted to another faith after they died, and you don’t see the offensiveness in that? Man, this is just too weird for me to wrap my head around.

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:48 PM

From what I can tell, these deceased folks are being converted to another faith after they died, and you don’t see the offensiveness in that? Man, this is just too weird for me to wrap my head around.

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:48 PM

But, they aren’t really being converted. I mean, it’s not as though they magically become Mormon. I can see it as being in bad taste, but I guess I don’t understand the huge uproar either.

BakerAllie on February 29, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Will the South ever work for a Mormon?

Igor R. on February 29, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I admit I don’t have any close Mormon friends (that I know) and if I did, and after death was baptized as a Mormon by them, my family would probably as Catholics have the same reaction as Anne Frank’s family (outrage) or Daniel Pearl’s (too ridiculous to just not laugh at). I doubt they’d change my tombstone or anything.

Marcus on February 29, 2012 at 11:52 PM

From what I can tell, these deceased folks are being converted to another faith after they died, and you don’t see the offensiveness in that? Man, this is just too weird for me to wrap my head around.

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:48 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_polygamy#Modern_plural_marriage_theory_within_the_LDS_Church

ebrown2 on February 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Why discuss with you? It’s been repeated the Mormon ritual is to posthumously baptize a non-Mormon as a Mormon and you just candy coat it as “praying for them”.

Marcus on February 29, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Jiminy, Marcus, you’re a negative guy, aren’t you? People with their understanding of Heaven and eternity are praying for others who are deceased for THEIR participation in that understanding of Heaven and eternity. I don’t see ANYthing “wrong” or harmful with that effort, their heart seems to be in the right place and that is, they seek to help others who have perished and for whom they feel compelled spiritually to pray for.

You’re sounding so intolerant here as to be asking everyone NOT to pray for Jews who are deceased, is that it? I don’t know what would “offend” you and what wouldn’t but it seems you are posturing for something like “only Jews can pray for Jews.” Is that it?

I’m not Mormon, I don’t know their theology, I do know enough as to how some Christians (and Jews such as yourself) object but most of what I’ve read as to those objections BY THE LIVING sounds very intolerant about people they generally find easy targets.

Be happy in your afterlife that someone remembers your soul and thinks well enough of you to pray for you. It certainly isn’t an act intended to harm you, your soul nor anyone else’s.

They’re merely praying in the context they understand as to what eternal life is. Yours may be different if you have any belief at all in that regard (you haven’t shared what that is if so, so I don’t know), but at least try to be tolerant of people with good intentions.

You would not be “not Jewish” if your soul was prayed for conversion to Mormon, not now in life nor not later after life, so your anger seems focused on a pretense of ego more than anything. Prayer for others is not a bad thing, unless you’re of the occultists who actually do pray for harms to come upon others. I doubt strongly that that’s what Mormons are engaged in.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:56 PM

From what I can tell, these deceased folks are being converted to another faith after they died, and you don’t see the offensiveness in that? Man, this is just too weird for me to wrap my head around.

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Well, for what it’s worth, I think the practice has been disavowed by the FLDS hierarchy.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Think about it: do you want the Muslims or do you want those wacky Mormons praying for your soul?

When I’m in the afterlife, I’ll be happy knowing that someone cares enough to pray for me. I can’t say I’d have so much as a tad of affection or appreciation for the Muslims, however.

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

You never change. Always a good laugh.

I really don’t think Muslims would pray for me after my death and if they did- As a gay female, I trust the Lord-Jesus Christ. Ima thinking he wouldn’t entertain those prayers.

bazil9 on February 29, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Maybe Romney should do a Kennedy-like speech and promise that LDS will not run America. Than Santorum can say it made him puke because LDS has the same rights as the pope and this will lead to the final complete acceptance of Mormonism.

Igor R. on February 29, 2012 at 11:57 PM

If you want real music listen to the Partridge Family. They Rock.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

♫♪ Come on, Get happy ! ♪♫

viking01 on February 29, 2012 at 11:16 PM

That cheered me up. What I really need is a long stay at Newt’s playboy space-station. Its like Vegas without all that gravity.

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Will the South ever work for a Mormon?

Igor R. on February 29, 2012 at 11:52 PM

LOL I conjured you and made you appear! :-)

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:57 PM

“‘This is like watching a Greek tragedy,’ McCain told the Herald.

No, that premiered in 2008, and we all had a front row seat. Little doubt McCain would have been a better President than Obama, but if I were looking for advice how to win a Presidential election, I wouldn’t ask McCain first…

Disclaimer: I voted for Palin McCain in 2008, because it was him or Obama. The choice was clear.

Hog Wild on February 29, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Why discuss with you? It’s been repeated the Mormon ritual is to posthumously baptize a non-Mormon as a Mormon and you just candy coat it as “praying for them”.

Marcus on February 29, 2012 at 11:44 PM

“…it is taught by the LDS Church that those who have died may accept the baptism done on their behalf or reject it”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_for_the_dead

ebrown2 on February 29, 2012 at 11:58 PM

From what I can tell, these deceased folks are being converted to another faith after they died, and you don’t see the offensiveness in that? Man, this is just too weird for me to wrap my head around.

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 11:48 PM

You and Marcus are sure taking God out of things, aren’t you?

Lourdes on February 29, 2012 at 11:58 PM

You never change. Always a good laugh.

I really don’t think Muslims would pray for me after my death and if they did- As a gay female, I trust the Lord-Jesus Christ. Ima thinking he wouldn’t entertain those prayers.

bazil9 on February 29, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Nope, they’d probably dance on your grave, well if they allowed people to dance.

cynccook on February 29, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Before Deep Woods Off I’d soak in oil of citronella. Only thing that kept them and the sweat gnats at bay. You can lose a quart of blood in an hour or so.

New Jersey has the biggest skeeters I ever saw. They dont seem to bite. Just shock the crap out of you while the little ones drain you.

katy the mean old lady on February 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Now that’s funny. Ever think of doing stand up?

SparkPlug on February 29, 2012 at 11:58 PM

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