Poll: Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe climate change is real

posted at 3:05 pm on February 29, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Talk about the rugged individualism of Americans. We’ll ignore experts on both sides of this debate, but we sure give credence to our own personal observations.

According to a new survey by the University of Michigan’s Gerald Ford School of Public Policy and the Muhlenberg College Institute of Public Opinion, more Americans than at any point since 2009 think climate change is real. (Who doesn’t think “climate change” is real? That’s too innocuous a phrase to feel threatened by: Clearly, the climate has and does and will change.)

Not surprisingly, belief in global warming (a less innocuous phrase) still breaks down along party lines:

The poll showed a sharp gap depending on ideology, with 78 percent of supporters of President Barack Obama’s Democratic Party saying there is solid evidence of climate change compared with 47 percent of supporters of the rival Republican Party saying so.

What convinced new believers? Nearly half of those who said they now accept global warming said they were primarily convinced by their own firsthand experience of warmer temperatures or weird weather changes.

Americans didn’t just imagine that the weather has been whacky lately:

Nine of the 10 warmest years in history have taken place since 2000, according to US space agency NASA.

Last year broke records for severe weather in the United States, with extreme events such as tornadoes and tropical storms causing more than $55 billion in damage, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

This isn’t the first time researchers have found that local temperatures influence individuals’ opinions about climate change.

But, but — those experts we ignore say day-to-day shifts in weather aren’t evidence of broader trends. That’s why, these experts say, meteorologists have no better insight into global warming than anybody else does. So, will the “climate change” experts let Americans’ observation-based belief in global warming stand because it works in their favor? Or will they stand by the assertion that observation of the daily weather and climate change study are two separate fields?

So, let’s say Americans shouldn’t believe in global warming based on their own personal observations. What other reasons for their newfound acceptance of “climate change” do they cite? More than half of global warming adherents say their belief in global warming was also influenced by melting glaciers. Are those glaciers melting as rapidly as we’ve been told? Not according to The Blaze:

[C]onsider that recent improvements in data collection technology has also revealed that the polar ice caps are melting less than originally thought. U.S. World News reported that researchers at the University of Colorado-Boulder found that 30 percent less ice is melting than earlier projections. It does claim that ice melt that has occurred between 2003 and 2010 is enough to cover the whole of the United States with a foot and a half of water — or fill Lake Erie eight times.

The University of Michigan study doesn’t specify whether the two-thirds of Americans who believe climate change is real also think men are causing the earth to warm. The poll numbers fluctuate, but the debate is always the same. The disagreement that counts is not over whether climate change is real but whether men have mastery over the weather and whether we should implement government policies to somehow “control” the climate — to the detriment of other concerns, like the economy.


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trible,

If your so sure of the bad thing Anthony Watts did best thing is to go direct to his site and ask him direct questions on his ethics.

We all know how to follow the debate even if we are just fly over country types clinging and such.

See you over there soon.

here this should make it easy

http://www.wattsupwiththat.com

or if you want a real ass kicking

http://www.sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

Tell them off on the 2nd amendment.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Hey did you know jews did 9/11? I read it on a blog somewhere, so it must be true.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 5:58 PM

If my car gets 40mpg due to regulations, am I buying gas more often, or less often?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 5:36 PM

40mpg due to regulations? If your car gets 40mpg due to regulations then why not just pass a regulation mandating that all cars must get 100mpg, hell 1000mpg and that their exhaust has to smell like sandalwood.

Oldnuke on February 29, 2012 at 5:59 PM

I mean, really? You’re really gonna take their side over NASA?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Well, yes. NASA was implicated in ClimateGate and they’re an organ of the federal government, which Obama and his pals are using to pass their agenda. In truth the warmest year in the recent past is 1998 and I believe all the records indicating otherwise are fake. Prove me wrong.

alwaysfiredup on February 29, 2012 at 5:59 PM

That sounds awfully familiar…

NotCoach on February 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Freaky coincidence; I just completed a cisco course after several months of double-classtime, late night studying, and a bucketload of frustration. Paid off at the end tho.

Wonder if tripledownonstupid made THAT kind of effort.

MelonCollie on February 29, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Nine of the 10 warmest years in history have taken place since 2000, according to US space agency NASA.

That’s the problem. You have James Hansen’s NASA collecting the data, calibrating the instruments, hiding the declines, over sampling the heat islands, and so on.

One thing that is working against the Warmists is that they have been fudging the data now for so long that they are up against an over inflated baseline from which they need to show continued warming. What they will try to do is periodically correct the data lower, which is a minor hit on their propaganda, but nowhere near as many hear about the correction as they did the original scare story. And they still get to say things like…

Nine of the 10 warmest years in history have taken place since 2000, according to US space agency NASA.

…even after their baseline deflating corrections have knocked those years off the top ten list.

Ultimately, we will need to crunch the numbers ourselves and challenge NASA. We need only use rural temp data and leave the urban heat islands out of it.

Buddahpundit on February 29, 2012 at 6:01 PM

trible,,,?

You Gleick himself, man if you are we need to have a long chat.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:01 PM

I just want to remind people that real scientists agree on climate change and all your side has is a blog.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Tardlett. You might have more credibility if you’d quote something other than a PR Firm.

Real Scientists and Weather Professionals contribute to WUWT. A PR hack and a Journalist run DeSmog.

So tell us once again, child. Do you have that CISCO certificate? Only those with the certificate have street cred in these parts.

MNHawk on February 29, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Triple what is your name , address, and who do you work for?

CW on February 29, 2012 at 6:01 PM

…+cisco.)….
triple on February 29, 2012 at 5:51 PM

You got a typo there. It is spelled CRISCO.

LegendHasIt on February 29, 2012 at 6:02 PM

I majored in the internet.

(Really, computer systems+cisco.)

triple on February 29, 2012 at 5:51 PM

And killed the lefty lock on information. The information that shows your own ignorance.

Thanks!

cozmo on February 29, 2012 at 6:03 PM

MelonCollie on February 29, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Retard4life was making similar career claims as triple very recently.

NotCoach on February 29, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Hey did you know jews did 9/11? I read it on a blog somewhere, so it must be true.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 5:58 PM

I think we’ve reduced this child to quivering in a corner.

MNHawk on February 29, 2012 at 6:03 PM

??? Gone now back to the Kos Kult telling how he blasted those hot air posters.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Retard4life was making similar career claims as triple very recently.

NotCoach on February 29, 2012 at 6:03 PM

…frikking spooky. I actually HAVE the certificate plus a ‘letter’ for passing with a very good grade.

MelonCollie on February 29, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Look, I know it’s an appeal to an authority. Whoever brought that up – great freaking point.

But here’s the thing- I’m not a climate scientist. Is anyone here? Who here is a full fledged atmospheric/climate scientist?

Hell, who here graduated a 2 year college? College is for snobs according to rick. Are you a snob?

So yes – I’ll appeal to the real, full blown climate scientists. I will defer to their records, their methods, and their stated beliefs on climate theory.

Why?

The same reason I defer to heart surgeons on matters of heart attacks, or dentists when my teeth hurt. You ever tried to pull your own teeth? Maybe you read a blog somewhere and you feel confident enough to perform surgery on yourself? Does that sound rational?

There’s no shame in an appeal to authority. It’s okay to admit you don’t know everything. Because you don’t.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Here’s a great primer on what went off the rails.

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/04/07/climate-models-go-cold/

alwaysfiredup on February 29, 2012 at 6:08 PM

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM

You aren’t 1/4 as bright as your think you are.

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:09 PM

It’s okay to admit you don’t know everything. Because you don’t.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Exactly. That’s why we’re “skeptics”.

alwaysfiredup on February 29, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Exactly. That’s why we’re “skeptics”.

alwaysfiredup on February 29, 2012 at 6:09 PM

No you’re not.

You’re skeptical of one side, and one side only.

Tell me this – when was the last time you were skeptical of heartland?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM

You aren’t 1/4 as bright as your think you are.

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:09 PM

you*

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM

You aren’t 1/4 as bright as your think you are.

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:09 PM

While I disagree I’m glad to see a conservative poster on hotair using fractions. That’s promising.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:12 PM

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:12 PM

How much wealth, opportunity, and liberty must be wasted before your guilt about your lot in life is fully assuaged?

Be honest.

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Tell me this – when was the last time you were skeptical of heartland?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM

I’ve never thought of Heartland at all. Not once. They are a non-factor and a red herring.

alwaysfiredup on February 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

trible,

I cleared your way onto http://www.wattsupwiththat.com

They need your type of posting for balance.

Head on over there, it would be useful for every one.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

FLASH! Global sea ice …. stays the same since 1979.

University of Illinois documents cryosphere.

Total global sea ice graph.

Yawn.

Now that the climate is safe again, why not start the next campaign:

STOP CONTINENTAL DRIFT!!!

fred5678 on February 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

I don’t understand where you’re coming from. I’m sure you think it’s really witty (and I’m sure it’s not) but outside of your own head it’s just plain confusing.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Head on over there, it would be useful for every one.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Not to mention gut bustin’ funny.

Oldnuke on February 29, 2012 at 6:15 PM

trible

You do know that your being called out. ?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:15 PM

I’ve never thought of Heartland at all. Not once. They are a non-factor and a red herring.

alwaysfiredup on February 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Non factor? They’re the leading anti-warming think tank in the country. That watts guy people keep posting about? Guess who funds him.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:15 PM

How much wealth, opportunity, and liberty must be wasted before your guilt about your lot in life is fully assuaged?

Be honest.

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

I don’t understand where you’re coming from. I’m sure you think it’s really witty (and I’m sure it’s not) but outside of your own head it’s just plain confusing.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM


ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION YOU COWARD.

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:16 PM

So yes – I’ll appeal to the real, full blown climate scientists. I will defer to their records, their methods, and their stated beliefs on climate theory.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM

There are climate scientists who disagree. Do you believe them?

If you spent a little effort researching, the evidence showing how NOAA and other government agencies corrupt data is overwhemling.

Here’s a short article on some of that corruption.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/climategate_cru_was_but_the_ti.html

darwin on February 29, 2012 at 6:16 PM

BTW: concerning all these “Cisco” claims by various losers…

I’ve got my certificate of completion right here, direct-emailed to me from Cisco themselves.

Put up or shut up, libtards

MelonCollie on February 29, 2012 at 6:16 PM

FLASH! Global sea ice …. stays the same since 1979.

Haha, wow. That’s just not true whatsoever.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/thick-melt.html

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Called out on a public blog in front of thousands.

Your play.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I’ve never thought of Heartland at all. Not once. They are a non-factor and a red herring.

alwaysfiredup on February 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Indeed. I don’t recall ever hearing of them before Peter Gleick outed himself as a criminal.

NotCoach on February 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Non factor? They’re the leading anti-warming think tank in the country. That watts guy people keep posting about? Guess who funds him.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:15 PM

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/02/logic-gate-the-smog-blog-exposes-irrational-rage-innumeracy-and-heartlands-efficient-success/

darwin on February 29, 2012 at 6:18 PM

trible,

You will fit right in, use the thread,, “The Gas of Life.”

Your invite is posted there now.

http://www.wattsupwiththat.com

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:15 PM

I don’t pay attention to Watts either. Did you read my link?

alwaysfiredup on February 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Haha, wow. That’s just not true whatsoever.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/thick-melt.html

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=02&fd=01&fy=1980&sm=02&sd=01&sy=2012

darwin on February 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM

How much wealth, opportunity, and liberty must be wasted before your guilt about your lot in life is fully assuaged?

Be honest.

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION YOU COWARD.

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:16 PM

You are wasting your time. The communist will never be honest about his true intent.

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

patting foot,,,

looking at clock,,

checking watts up,,,

waiting,,,,,

???

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM

For all of the dupes and libtards out there who believe in AGW MMCC:
http://www.amazon.com/Delinquent-Teenager-Mistaken-Worlds-Climate/dp/1466453486/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330557469&sr=8-1

kregg on February 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM

trible,

You will fit right in, use the thread,, “The Gas of Life.”

Your invite is posted there now.

http://www.wattsupwiththat.com

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM

*pops popcorn*

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/02/logic-gate-the-smog-blog-exposes-irrational-rage-innumeracy-and-heartlands-efficient-success/

darwin on February 29, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Heartland publishes her book. Do you have an unbiased source that isn’t connected to heartland in some way?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Indeed. I don’t recall ever hearing of them before Peter Gleick outed himself as a criminal.

NotCoach on February 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I’ve heard of heartland but I wasn’t sure what they were all about. And I’ve been following the climate debate closely for many years. Same thing with the Koch Bros, never heard of them until the lefties started the hate campaign.

steel guy on February 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Same thing with the Koch Bros, never heard of them until the lefties started the hate campaign.

steel guy on February 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM

But you start talking George Soros, Tides Foundation, ACORN etc and they yell “stop with the stupid conspiracy theories!!!”

alwaysfiredup on February 29, 2012 at 6:23 PM

triple,

Do you have any thing not connected to Al Gore , Michael Mann and Hansen?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Heartland publishes her book. Do you have an unbiased source that isn’t connected to heartland in some way?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Why? Are you saying Heartland is biased? As far as I can tell they’re actually trying to debate science. They keep holding conferences and asking pro-global warming scientists to speak yet only one to date has accepted.

You really need to read that American Thinker link.

darwin on February 29, 2012 at 6:25 PM

triple,

Time is passing you mom will be yelling for you to take out the trash soon, better go post how bad Anthoney Watts is now on that thread, hell there are only two post, you have it all to yourself.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM

If you dig down into the poll, the major changes are “warm weather” and the perception of “more storms”. Both of these have little to do with Climate Change

J_Crater on February 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

I for one absolutely believe in climate change, its called: winter, spring, summer and fall.

DDay on February 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

But you start talking George Soros, Tides Foundation, ACORN etc and they yell “stop with the stupid conspiracy theories!!!”

alwaysfiredup on February 29, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Right, because their motives are unquestionable. Just hand over your money and STFU

steel guy on February 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

40 years ago they said global warming would destroy us in ten years if we didn’t start paying massive taxes.

30 years ago they said global warming would destroy us in ten years if we didn’t start paying massive taxes.

20 years ago they said global warming would destroy us in ten years if we didn’t start paying massive taxes.

10 years ago they said global warming would destroy us in ten years if we didn’t start paying massive taxes.

darwin on February 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Why? Are you saying Heartland is biased?

Heartland exists for no other reason. Donors pay for them to hold certain positions, which they then put out press releases, pay tv personalities, or bloggers (such as Watts) to have friendly positions on the matter.

The issue itself doesn’t even matter to them – they were pro-smoking, whatever pays the bills, right?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM

trible,

The gold ring is there, just click on the link, make your case and your world fame will be known.

All would honor you for taking on Watts Up With That and making the case that Anthoney is on the take from Heartland.

World Fame,,,,

Or,,,,,

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Someone is in the goalpost moving business now…

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Heartland exists for no other reason. Donors pay for them to hold certain positions, which they then put out press releases, pay tv personalities, or bloggers (such as Watts) to have friendly positions on the matter.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Isn’t that the purpose of 501(c)(3) orgs? To advocate?

alwaysfiredup on February 29, 2012 at 6:31 PM

I’m quite sure climate change is real, and has been going on since the planet had a climate. Now the the thinking that man is responsible, is not proven, and any likely contribution by man is minimal! The entire scheme is just to further control people. How arrogant to think that man is capable of altering the climate or weather!

GFW on February 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Or,

trible is a dribble posting on the net fraud troll,

Choices.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM

If it is warming why would that be a bad thing? Longer growing seasons, more land available for farming, ability to grow a larger variety of crops, more moisture in the atmosphere, lower energy consumption used in heating homes. I’m sure I can think of a few more off the top of my head.

steel guy on February 29, 2012 at 6:33 PM

40mpg due to regulations? If your car gets 40mpg due to regulations then why not just pass a regulation mandating that all cars must get 100mpg, hell 1000mpg and that their exhaust has to smell like sandalwood.

Oldnuke on February 29, 2012 at 5:59 PM

I know you’re just snarking but there are a lot of Americans along with most of the morons in government who really believe that if they pass a law saying cars must get 500mpg, the auto industry will grumble but eventually comply. Magical thinking is endemic in this country.

Wendya on February 29, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Heartland exists for no other reason. Donors pay for them to hold certain positions, which they then put out press releases, pay tv personalities, or bloggers (such as Watts) to have friendly positions on the matter.

The issue itself doesn’t even matter to them – they were pro-smoking, whatever pays the bills, right?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Mission: Its mission is to discover, develop, and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems.

People donate because they believe in their mission.

Regardless of what you believe, Heartland’s funding is literally a drop in the bucket compared to what the climate fanatics get. Plus they get billions in taxpyaer money.

darwin on February 29, 2012 at 6:34 PM

If it is warming why would that be a bad thing? Longer growing seasons, more land available for farming, ability to grow a larger variety of crops, more moisture in the atmosphere, lower energy consumption used in heating homes. I’m sure I can think of a few more off the top of my head.

steel guy on February 29, 2012 at 6:33 PM

SHUT UP and surrender your freedom to travel!

Shut up and hand over your climate tithe!

Shut up and learn to live a lower standard of living than your parents!

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:35 PM

trible

They are holding it open over there for you, better jump at the chance.

Or you will have to change your nic and come crawling back later with the same stick,,,,

My guess is your getting a new nic right now.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Heartland exists for no other reason. Donors pay for them to hold certain positions, which they then put out press releases, pay tv personalities, or bloggers (such as Watts) to have friendly positions on the matter.

The issue itself doesn’t even matter to them – they were pro-smoking, whatever pays the bills, right?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM

http://heartland.org/funding

darwin on February 29, 2012 at 6:35 PM

The same reason I defer to heart surgeons on matters of heart attacks, or dentists when my teeth hurt. You ever tried to pull your own teeth? Maybe you read a blog somewhere and you feel confident enough to perform surgery on yourself? Does that sound rational?
There’s no shame in an appeal to authority. It’s okay to admit you don’t know everything. Because you don’t.
triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM

One does not trust a heart surgeon because a lot of credentialed people gave him thumbs up. One trusts a heart surgeon because a community of people with a track record of successful heart surgery has given him a thumbs up.

What is the track record of “climate scientists” on successfully modeling the earth’s climate? Oh, that’s right, they don’t have one, do they?

RINO in Name Only on February 29, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Not enough brain to wash this one.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:38 PM

But you’re admitting that you don’t know ANYTHING.

blink on February 29, 2012 at 6:36 PM

What’s irritating about some global warming people is it’s obvious they haven’t taken five minutes to do any research on their own. Instead they rely solely on information provided by people whose interest is best served by keeping global warming alive.

darwin on February 29, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Isn’t that the purpose of 501(c)(3) orgs? To advocate?

alwaysfiredup on February 29, 2012 at 6:31 PM

I’m not saying heartland is illegal, or anything.

I’m saying their money comes from certain organizations and people.

Their positions have reflected the positions that would benefit their benefactors, such as Phil Morris in the past.

I also want you to be aware that Heartland takes that money and then pays certain independent bloggers, personalities, and scientists to speak on their behalf. Tens of thousands of dollars changes hands to make someone say on fox news that global warming isn’t real science.

Now, knowing all that – where the money comes from, who it goes to, and how it affects the positions these people hold – I ask a simple question.

Are you more skeptical of the skeptics, or do you trust them more?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Just wondering, who does NASA keep on payroll to actively counter heartland’s message? Do they have a “spin team” too?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Yes – his name is James Hansen. Google “james hansen income”. You’re going off about Anthony Watt and Heartland over $44K while James Hansen is being investigated for roughly $1.6 MILLION in unexplained and/or unauthorized outside income on top of his 6 figure NASA salary.
Are you really that biased yourself?

Why is it you’re unwilling to listen to NASA – f’n NASA! – when it comes to science, but it’s perfectly okay to listen to someone funded by the very people who stand to lose a vast amount of money based upon scientific findings?

……

I mean, really? You’re really gonna take their side over NASA?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 4:56 PM

What is NASA? NASA is just another federal government agency/bureaucracy. How do bureaucracies survive? They justify their existence by doing whatever the people controlling the money tell them to do. Who has more money to throw around – the federal government or Exxon?

So we have a government bureaucrat (James Hansen) making a 6 figure salary (on the books) since 1981, who wants to keep the bureaucratic gravy train rolling, and he makes an additional $1.6 MILLION (off the books) as an environmental activist pushing the AGW scam – and this is the guy you trust? Really?
I’d rather put my trust in a corporation that is at least up front about making profits for their shareholders.

dentarthurdent on February 29, 2012 at 6:41 PM

How long has NASA been measuring earths temperature? 40 years? 50 years? Thats a blink of an eye in geological time. How much good date is out there from 200 years ago?

steel guy on February 29, 2012 at 6:41 PM

darwin on February 29, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Yes, but how intellectually dishonest does a person have to be when they are presented with an opportunity to study an opposing viewpoint and they shove both fists in their ears? It is one thing to shout slogans while pooping on cop cars. It is quite another to pretend to be having a discussion with people and just simply refuse to engage any point they bring up.

NotCoach on February 29, 2012 at 6:44 PM

But you’re admitting that you don’t know ANYTHING.

blink on February 29, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Knowledge and direct scientific study are two different things.

I didn’t figure out the orbits of the planets.

But I know what they are.

I didn’t research genetics, but I know what DNA is.

See how that works?

I’m not the guy down at NASA pouring over 200TB of supercomputer data trying to figure out what the hell is going on, but I know what that guy’s conclusions are. Do you?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM

trible,

Time is a wasteing.

ps

How much grant money did the Pacific Institute , Peter Gleick get from the EPA and why would the EPA delete that information after Gleick got caught his crime?

That is our money after all.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Well I for one believe it’s real! Who doesn’t?
Here’s what happened just today.. you won’t believe it…

I woke up this morning and the temp was below freezing, it was dark and sleeting. Within an hour, the climate changed and it began to snow and it got lighter outside. Crazy! Hours later I noticed the climate changed more! Can you freakin believe this? The snow stopped and it began to rain! It just stopped! I’m telling you the truth here. It was snowing, then all of a sudden it stopped and suddenly it wasn’t snowing anymore… it began to rain! Rain I tell you! One minute it’s snowing, then it’s raining! Get that! The snow stopped and it began to rain! You know why? The freakin temperature went up again several degrees and it got completely light outside! We’re all standing in complete shock on the job site, watching all this from the window while drinking our coffee and eating donuts!! Couldn’t believe it! We’re all saying like… “Wow! The climate! It’s changing!”

By the time I finished the day and was coming home, I swear, the climate just kept changing and changing all freakin day! It went up like 10 degrees from the early morning hours! Sleet, then snow, then rain, then sunshine, then rain again! It’s crazy! Anybody who thinks the climate ain’t changin out there isn’t playing with a full deck!

JellyToast on February 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Their positions have reflected the positions that would benefit their benefactors, such as Phil Morris in the past.

I also want you to be aware that Heartland takes that money and then pays certain independent bloggers, personalities, and scientists to speak on their behalf. Tens of thousands of dollars changes hands to make someone say on fox news that global warming isn’t real science.

Now, knowing all that – where the money comes from, who it goes to, and how it affects the positions these people hold – I ask a simple question.

Are you more skeptical of the skeptics, or do you trust them more?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:40 PM

You have it backwards. Read that Heartland funding link above.

All I know is the global warming people have lied in the past, lie today, and will lie in the future. Heartland and other skeptics are open about their research and allow anyone to see it and discuss it … quite the opposite of the secretive and sneaky climate people.

darwin on February 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Everyone who has read more than a table of contents knows that American Cancer Research study on second hand smoke has been not only proven false but the ACR itself admitted the study was so flawed it could no longer use it has scientific evidence of anything.

That is ALWAYS the study second hand smoke whiners point to, and it has been thoroughly ripped to shreds by object science.

Second hand smoke has become the illegitimate excuse for government destruction of private business and individual rights for a decade now. Find me a cancer ward filled with these second hand smoke cancer patients. It doesnt exist. You are in more danger sitting in a car with normal exhaust, and carbon monoxide around you, and science has proven those deaths happen.

Im tired of the BS argument. Ive lost over 50% of my income from the decrease in business in the bars since PA went “smoke free”. Its a travesty and more proof that the Democrats (who passed the smoking ban) care nothing about the working man. They get all psychotic and force their insane beliefs on everyone never thinking once about how it effects my ability to live….no wait, then they can put me on food stamps and be the hero, right? Seriously?

If you are a Liberal, you are either a selfish, elitist, pseudo intellectual, group speak repeating, lemming, or you are an horribly uninformed, propaganda driven fool.

Thats all there is to it anymore. When faced with facts, they just lie. Every history book shows where this ends if we dont turn the country around ASAP.

alecj on February 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM

How much is triple being paid to advocate for CAGW? What does that money trail look like?

Whatever the dollar amount, they wasted every cent.

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:46 PM

I’d rather put my trust in a corporation that is at least up front about making profits for their shareholders.

But lets be honest here – this is less about not trusting NASA with science (I’m pretty sure NASA knows how science works) and more about the fact that you think the free market should dictate environmental regulations, which is to say, you don’t think there should be any environmental regulations at all.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:49 PM

How much is triple being paid to advocate for CAGW? What does that money trail look like?

Whatever the dollar amount, they wasted every cent.

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Well, we already know many of them aren’t all that bright. So hiring someone like triple would be right up their alley.

NotCoach on February 29, 2012 at 6:49 PM

How much is triple being paid to advocate for CAGW? What does that money trail look like?

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:46 PM

About as much as you’re being paid to deny it: $0.00

MelonCollie on February 29, 2012 at 6:49 PM

steel guy on February 29, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Ya – the AGW chicken-littles quote “warmest years in history” – meaning the last 150 years in reality. So these measurements started about 1860, right? So what kind of technology did we have in 1860? – Civil War, Pony Express still operating, airplanes not invented yet, and I could list more – google it. So how accurate were our worldwide tempurature measurements then?

dentarthurdent on February 29, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Find me a cancer ward filled with these second hand smoke cancer patients.

Dude, just stop. I lost my grandmother to throat cancer – she never smoked a day in her life, but her 8 kids all did.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:50 PM

But lets be honest here – this is less about not trusting NASA with science (I’m pretty sure NASA knows how science works) and more about the fact that you think the free market should dictate environmental regulations, which is to say, you don’t think there should be any environmental regulations at all.

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:49 PM

When you begin from false premisses, you are bound to look like a fool.

tom daschle concerned on February 29, 2012 at 6:51 PM

So blink, what are your qualifications on climate theory? You’ve read some stuff on the internet.. and?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:51 PM

For far, the body count for this climate catastrophe seems rather small.
I think more people die each year by choking on children’s marbles than are dying from this climate catastrophe. In the US, the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) considered some time back requiring that a warning label be etched into each child’s marble, but it was deemed unworkable and set aside.
This climate catastrophe deserves the same treatment.

J_Crater on February 29, 2012 at 6:52 PM

So blink, what are your qualifications on climate theory? You’ve read some stuff on the internet.. and?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:51 PM

What are yours? If you are going to use that standard then you shouldn’t even be posting in this thread.

NotCoach on February 29, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Only someone completely ignorant of epidemiology (science and statistics – similar to climate science) would try making the claim that you’ve made.

sigh..

okay guys, smoking is apparently okay for you.

what is this, the 50s?

triple on February 29, 2012 at 6:54 PM

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