Next battleground: Ohio

posted at 8:40 am on February 29, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

After Mitt Romney’s sweep last night and a fresh delegate haul, the road ahead gets tougher for Rick Santorum.  Santorum never really came close in Arizona, but he had a lead in Michigan until a mediocre debate performance a week ago gave Romney an opening to take his native state by a small but significant margin of 32,000 votes, about three percentage points of the overall vote.  Turnout appears to be slightly higher than in 2008, and that means that Romney can avoid another knock about his impact on voting in the primaries being depressed in his wins.  Even the hope that Santorum might end up with more of Michigan’s delegates, thanks to rules that allocate them by Congressional-district votes, ran aground this morning:

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney won the popular vote by a 41-38% margin as well as the tally in seven of 14 congressional districts, most of them in southern Michigan.

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum won six congressional districts, including the 1st district, which includes the Upper Peninsula an a portion of northern Lower Michigan by just two votes. All of Santorum’s wins came in the northern and western portions of the state. …

As a result, Romney wins 21 delegates from the congressional district results, according to results posted by the Michigan Republican Party, but only 14 of those delegates will be allowed to vote at the national convention because the state broke national GOP rules by moving its primary before the Super Tuesday contests next week.

Santorum wins 18 delegates from the congressional districts, but only 12 of those people will be able to vote at the national convention.

The statewide popular vote will be distributed between Romney and Santorum on a proportional basis with 14 at large delegates at stake, but only two of those delegates will have voting privileges. How those will be divvied up hasn’t been determined.

Santorum’s team claimed a moral victory in a close second-place finish:

“A month ago they didn’t know who we are, but they do now,” Santorum told supporters gathered in a downtown hotel. “We came into the backyard of one of my opponents, in a race that everyone said, ‘Well, just ignore, you have really no chance here.’ And the people of Michigan looked into the hearts of the candidates, and all I have to say is: I love you back.”

Santorum’s advisers noted that Santorum and Romney essentially split the delegates in the Michigan contest because of new party rules, regardless of what the popular vote may have been. Senior strategist John Brabender and others suggested Romney would emerge from Michigan as a weaker candidate.

“God bless him for spending a fabulous amount of money to come into his home state to eke out a victory in the total count and to walk away with many fewer delegates than anybody thought humanly possible two weeks ago,” Brabender said.

The problem with that spin is that, eventually, wins matter, and not just in delegate counts.  One does not win the nomination through a series of second-place finishes.  For a campaign that runs one campaign at a time rather than an organization competing in multiple states at a time, victories are even more important.

In six days, the candidates will compete again in ten states for the Super Tuesday threshold, and the consensus is that Ohio will hog the spotlight.  Georgia might come into play, too, if Newt Gingrich can’t hold onto his lead in his own native state, and Santorum has a big lead in Oklahoma that Romney will not likely bother to challenge.  Santorum didn’t get on the ballot in Virginia, and has a smaller slate of electors in Tennessee thanks to a failure to qualify them.  Ohio has the largest delegate haul next week, and it also consists of the kind of blue-collar, Rust Belt voters that Republicans need to draw to win in November.

So far, Santorum has a lead in the RCP poll average of about eight points, but that may change with the loss in Michigan among the same kind of voters.  Santorum cannot afford another loss in the Rust Belt, especially since Romney is likely to do well in most of the other Super Tuesday contests.  Since all of the binding contests on Super Tuesday are proportional-allocation primaries, Santorum will get a significant number of delegates from second-place finishes again, but without a couple of big wins, Romney will keep adding to his delegate lead and making the case for donors to get on the bandwagon now.

It’s not over for Santorum, but a win in Ohio is a must.  Expect to see Romney and Santorum in Buckeye country all week long.

Update: I had forgotten about this, but my friend Salena Zito of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reminds me that Santorum won’t be on the ballot at all in three of Ohio’s Congressional districts:

Political strategists consider Ohio a critical win for the eventual Republican nominee because none has won the White House without winning the state.

Among 10 states holding Super Tuesday primaries on March 6, Ohio will award 66 delegates to the Republican National Convention. Santorum is not on the ballot in three of the 16 congressional districts, potentially putting him at a nine-delegate disadvantage.

That complicates matters for winning the state, obviously.  If Santorum loses Ohio overall because he couldn’t make the ballot in three CDs, that won’t be an excuse — it will become a reason for voters in later contests to stick with the candidate with better organization.  Santorum will need to win by enough in the other thirteen CDs to overcome his omission, and that will be a very tall order.

Update II: Actually, voters in those districts can vote for Santorum — but he can’t win the delegates, according to Politico:

All six major GOP candidates have been certified and will appear on the Ohio ballot, according to a list released by the Ohio secretary of state’s office today. But Rick Santorum, the release said, did not file delegates in the 6th, 9th or 13th congressional districts — and loses his chance at getting any delegates in those districts.

Forty-eight of the state’s 66 delegates are awarded proportionally based on the vote in each congressional district — three per district — and the remaining 18 delegates are awarded based on the at-large vote statewide. That means that while Santorum can get votes toward the at-large total in those three districts, he has no shot at taking a share of the nine total delegates those districts will award.

That’s still going to be an issue in the Ohio election, but it’s not as bad as it first looked.  Thanks to Daren B for the update.


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The ads started in full force early this morning here in Columbus.

Should be a real battle, but Santorum lost his biggest asset…momentum. He will need to regain that in order to have a chance. Additionally, Newt will be a factor here. Otherwise, Ohio will turn out a lot like Michigan.

Hopefully will get to see all the major candidates in person this week.

neoavatara on February 29, 2012 at 8:43 AM

The preacher needs to get out already

liberal4life on February 29, 2012 at 8:47 AM

I hope a few of the candidates drop off after super Tuesday

Agree Ed, a win is a win.

cmsinaz on February 29, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Rick Santorum is an unelectable BIGOT who has been unable to win a single primary that isn’t merely a beauty contest.

Supporters of the homophobic Rick Santorum, including Ed Morrissey, are now sounding desperate.

The truth is that it is about time for the bigot Rick Santorum to DROP OUT.

Barack Obama, Michael Moore and the unions tried their best to help Rick Santorum win Michigan (because they know that Rick Santorum would be so easy for Obama to beat), but they failed.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 8:49 AM

U mad, Ed?

U mad?

Vyce on February 29, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Santorum loses by a razor thin margin in Predator’s home state, and still this ‘inevitable’ nonsense.

How the h3ll will Romney defend Romneycare? How will he convince voters he will do more than a token effort to repeal Obamacare, and then not put something back in its place equally offensive?

HopeHeFails on February 29, 2012 at 8:50 AM

The preacher needs to get out already

liberal4life on February 29, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Obama will be leaving in due tgome.

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 8:50 AM

The problem with that spin is that, eventually, wins matter, and not just in delegate counts. One does not win the nomination through a series of second-place finishes.

Unless you’re Obama, Ed. In ’08 Hillary Clinton beat him in eight of the ten biggest states–Obama won only his home state and Georgia where the Democrat vote is over 50% African-American. But of course, Obama is Obama, and even if Clinton beat him in New York, California, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Texas, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, well darn it all, the Dems just had to go with Hope and Change.

radjah shelduck on February 29, 2012 at 8:50 AM

It’s not over for Santorum, but a win in Ohio is a must. Expect to see Romney and Santorum in Buckeye country all week long.

You know who it is over for? NEWT! The chunky friend of Pelosi needs to bow out now if he wants to see somebody other than Romney get the nomination. It is now a two-man race and Newt isn’t one of the two.

Happy Nomad on February 29, 2012 at 8:51 AM

an extra “g”..
And no “i”…
Need coffee

Electrongod on February 29, 2012 at 8:51 AM

How many of those Santorum voters in Michigan will actually be voting for Obama this fall?

None of the Romney voters will be voting for Obama this fall, that’s for certain.

NoDonkey on February 29, 2012 at 8:52 AM

darn it all, the Dems just had to go with Hope and Change.

radjah shelduck on February 29, 2012 at 8:50 AM

And as a result the seas have receeded, we no longer pay for gas or our homes, and Gitmo is closed and all our troops are home…. oh wait!

Happy Nomad on February 29, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Note to Santorum campaign:

When one of the mainstream media whores tries to lead you down the aspirin between the knees crap just say…..

“You know I’ve answered these questions already, go back and look at the transcripts. I’m focused on the economy and getting things back on track for the American People…yadda, yadda.”

And really Santorum should have a good night next Tuesday, but never under estimate the power of the gop (voters and leaders) to give us a squish for the nominee…..they’ve done it since 1988.

PappyD61 on February 29, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Santorum never really came close in Arizona, but he had a lead in Michigan until a mediocre debate performance a week ago gave Romney an opening to take his native state by a small but significant margin of 32,000 votes, about three percentage points of the overall vote.

-Ed Morrissey, admitted supporter of the homophobic bigot Rick Santorum

Actually, Ed Morrissey, Rick Santorum had a DISASTROUS performance at the debate. It wasn’t merely mediocre.

Also, it’s pathetic that you blame this all on a debate performance. The fact is that, the more voters learn about the unelectable bigot Rick Santorum, the less likely they are to support him. Republicans want to nominate someone who can actually beat Obama (like Mitt Romney!); therefore, they will never nominate Rick “Bedroom Policeman” Santorum.

Catholic Rick Santorum even lost big among Catholics!

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 8:52 AM

What? No stellar PPP poll for Ohio? Muwahahahahaha

Zaggs on February 29, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Blue, you are right- someone needs to drop out to stop splitting ABRs if they are to be competitive. Sorry Sarah- it’s time for just a one on one. And seeing that Newt is the most easily bought off ………….

FlaMurph on February 29, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Santorum never really came close in Arizona, but he had a lead in Michigan until a mediocre debate performance a week ago gave Romney an opening to take his native state by a small but significant margin of 32,000 votes, about three percentage points of the overall vote.

You’re being disingenuous. It wasn’t a poor debate performance that killed Santorum in Michigan. It was Santorum’s collusion with UAW President (and admitted Marxist) Bob King and other members of the professional Left to undermine a fellow Republican in a Republican primary. Santorum’s brazen dishonesty in the content of his Democratic ‘get out the vote’ robocall also helped decide undecided Republicans, many if not most of whom were undecided until the day of the primary. Santorum was as much against the auto bailouts as Romney.

Your guy sold out his honor and reputation for nothing. Spin that.

troyriser_gopftw on February 29, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Supporters of the homophobic Rick Santorum, including Ed Morrissey, are now sounding desperate.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Dude, take it down a freaking notch. Did you even read Ed’s post? Or did you type this last night and simply put it in this morning regardless what was written? Don’t be such a tool.

Weight of Glory on February 29, 2012 at 8:54 AM

It will be all over by next Tuesday. Then we can start focusing on Chairman Obama.

I see some kind of alliance between Ron Paul and Romney. Maybe Romney has promised to make him Fed chairman if he wins. Maybe he promised to make Rand Paul Fed chairman. This could make the General very interesting.

NickDeringer on February 29, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Given the way this race broke late, I think people are underestimating how much Santourm’s Sunday morning show performance hurt him.
My wife watched him and spent half a day talking about the fact that she liked most everything he said, but that the way he said it was so lame, and so unpleasant, that she didn’t want him as a spokesperson for those ideas. The takeaway she had from watching him talk was that he’d hurt the very things he champions more than he’d help them, so she went from a supporter to an active antagonist in one show.

dougwinship on February 29, 2012 at 8:55 AM

NoDonkey on February 29, 2012 at 8:52 AM

I don’t quite understand your logic. All Romney voters are true Republicans that will vote for their guy but those shifty Santorum voters might well vote for the America-hating Kenyan socialist because a socially conservative Catholic barely came in second place???

Happy Nomad on February 29, 2012 at 8:55 AM

I’m getting sick and tired of hearing about the unelectable bigot Rick Santorum.

He is serving no good purpose by staying in the race at this point.

We all know this man won’t win the nomination and could never beat Obama.

Rick Santorum is a joke, and I don’t even think he will be considered as Romney’s VP. Romney can do A LOT better than a loser like Rick Santorum.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 8:56 AM

After Mitt Romney’s sweep last night and a fresh delegate haul, the road ahead gets tougher for Rick Santorum.

RCP average has Santorum up by double digits in Ohio. It’s a semi-open primary, which means there’ll be plenty of Democrats voting to prop him up. Won’t be that hard.

rogaineguy on February 29, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Weight of Glory on February 29, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Well said.

Happy Nomad on February 29, 2012 at 8:57 AM

You know who it is over for? NEWT! The chunky friend of Pelosi needs to bow out now if he wants to see somebody other than Romney get the nomination. It is now a two-man race and Newt isn’t one of the two.

Happy Nomad on February 29, 2012 at 8:51 AM

It would help if Newt got out soon and let this be a true 2-man race. Mittens still has the edge, but if he’s gonna be the nominee, I’d rather he win the thing outright and not with 2 conservative alternatives splitting the anti-Romney vote. If Newt flames out on Super Tuesday yet chooses to remain in the race, he’ll essentially be handing this thing to Romney.

Doughboy on February 29, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Dude, take it down a freaking notch. Did you even read Ed’s post? Or did you type this last night and simply put it in this morning regardless what was written? Don’t be such a tool.

Weight of Glory on February 29, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Rick Santorum is an unelectable bigot. That’s just a fact, and if someone if going to support the man, then they need to live with that and accept what comes with it. I am beyond disgusted that someone who has held such toxic views (e.g., defending bans on homosexual activity) is being seriously considered for the Presidency by anyone.

And, yeah, I skimmed the post.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Rick Santorum is an unelectable BIGOT who has been unable to win a single primary that isn’t merely a beauty contest.

Supporters of the homophobic Rick Santorum, including Ed Morrissey, are now sounding desperate.

The truth is that it is about time for the bigot Rick Santorum to DROP OUT.

Barack Obama, Michael Moore and the unions tried their best to help Rick Santorum win Michigan (because they know that Rick Santorum would be so easy for Obama to beat), but they failed.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Romney is very lucky that most voters don’t read political blogs because supporters like you are a liability to say the least.

gophergirl on February 29, 2012 at 8:59 AM

How would Santorum have done in Michigan without the votes of Democrats who are hoping and praying that Santorum will be the Republican presidential candidate? What should those who want a strong candidate as our nominee make of the fact that many Democrats are salivating at the notion of Santorum running against Obama?

And, just as important, if not even more – what does it say about Santorum himself that he was willing to appeal to those Democrat voters who can’t stand him and mock him? Do we really want to nominate someone who preaches principle – but when push comes to shove, tries to get in however he can?

Time to wish Romney the best, Senator Santorum – and then do your best for the party you profess to support.

pbundy on February 29, 2012 at 8:59 AM

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Damn. I was starting to hope Ed or Allah had hit you with the ban hammer.

DRayRaven on February 29, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Mitt now leads Santorum by 5 nationally.

Mitt leads Obama by 1 in Virginia. Santorum and Gingrich trail Obama by 6 and 7 respectively.

In his home state of Georgia, Gingrich beats Obama by 4, same as Santorum whereas Romney beats Obama by 7.

Stay tuned as the Romney Death Star is focused on the Super Tuesday states.

RCP Latest Polls.

Basilsbest on February 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Santorum’s problems:

Santorum lost every category of women polled Tuesday night, including working women, single women, and married women. He lost working women by 4 points, single women by 7 points, and married women by 3 points.

Female voters in Michigan spoke out Tuesday night, but they weren’t singing Rick Santorum’s tune. The former Pennsylvania senator lost the Michigan primary to Mitt Romney by 3 points due in large part to his weakness among Michigan women.

Although Santorum lost among Michigan men by just 1 point, he lost the women’s vote by a full 6-point margin, leaving him well behind Romney and unable to close the gap with male voters in any way.

Santorum began his concession Tuesday by praising his three role models, all women, so loudly that he almost sounded like one of the dreaded radical feminists he once spoke so much about.

When Tuesday’s Republican primary outcome became clear, Rick Santorum faced his supporters and declared it “an absolutely great night”—which it may have been, but not for Rick Santorum.

He was crushed by Mitt Romney in Arizona, where, just a week ago, polls showed Santorum within easy striking distance of the frontrunner.

And in the marquee contest in Michigan, Santorum blew what two polls had recently shown to be a double-digit lead, taking a loss he had no choice but to portray as a moral victory.

But the most striking feature of Santorum’s double-header defeat Tuesday was his failure to win a majority of his fellow Catholic faithful, who went for the Mormon Romney by a six-point margin in both Arizona and Michigan.

Six in 10 Michigan voters Tuesday were Republicans, with the rest allowed to vote under rules opening the party’s primary to others as well. Among those Republicans, Romney prevailed over Santorum, 48 percent to 37 percent.

About 1 in 10 Michigan voters were Democrats and they backed Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, by about a 3-1 margin.

The two men ran about neck-and-neck among independents.

Romney won MORE of the popular vote in Michigan this time than he did in 2008–as reported by Fox News.

In another indication of Romney’s hold on committed Republicans, more than 6 in 10 Michigan voters said they would back the GOP nominee no matter what — and Romney bested Santorum among this group, 50 percent to 36 percent.

When it came to working-class voters – as measured by those without college degrees – the two men ran about evenly, a clear disappointment for Santorum.

Though Romney has been accused of stirring little passion among his supporters, he led Santorum by 14 percentage points among voters who said their vote was motivated by strong backing for their candidate.

Around 1 in 6 voters said their support was motivated by a dislike for the other candidates, and this group picked Santorum by more than 2-1.

More than 4 in 10 voters in Michigan said they supported the federal bailout of the auto industry, according to the exit poll. They gave Romney a slight edge, while the half who said they opposed the federal aid were split evenly between Romney and Santorum.

Both men had both said they oppose the 2008 and 2009 influx of government dollars that kept General Motors and Chrysler afloat as they were foundering. The bailout became a top issue in the final days of the Michigan campaign, at a time when the auto industry — the backbone of the state’s economy — has revived.

Romney and Santorum essentially split the 4 in 10 voters there who were born again or evangelical Christians in Arizona.

mountainaires on February 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Good morning, lemmings!

Your cliff is over over there. At the bottom are Willard, McCain, Dole, and Jerry Ford.

I see that the Willard supporters have stepped up their hysterical ravings, like this goofball:

Rick Santorum is an unelectable BIGOT

the homophobic Rick Santorum

time for the bigot Rick Santorum to DROP OUT

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 8:49 AM

What’s the matter bluegill? You teh ghey, too–is that it? In that case I might understand your vehemence. But what has Willard done for teh gheys?

Apparently, this drive-by rant by bluegill is what passes for rhetoric and cool reason at the Willard campaign. It’s a bad reflection that 95% of the Willard supporters sound like they’re in junior high school. In Utah. You’re not persuading anybody of anything–except to oppose Willard.

And I must ask the Hot Air management to consider its mistake in staging its two recent “open admission” days. Since then, the discourse here has been trashed by campaign volunteers–most of them not yet of voting age, apparently.

Emperor Norton on February 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

gophergirl on February 29, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Your phony concern is duly noted.

How would Santorum have done in Michigan without the votes of Democrats who are hoping and praying that Santorum will be the Republican presidential candidate?

pbundy on February 29, 2012 at 8:59 AM

I believe I read somewhere that Romney beat Santorum among Republicans by at least 10 points in Michigan. Long story short: Romney crushed the bigot Santorum. Republican voters rejected the unelectable Santorum in a big way, though you wouldn’t know it from reading some of these headlines minimizing Romney’s win.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 9:02 AM

RCP average has Santorum up by double digits in Ohio. It’s a semi-open primary, which means there’ll be plenty of Democrats voting to prop him up. Won’t be that hard.

rogaineguy on February 29, 2012 at 8:57 AM

That won’t matter if momentum shifts to Mittens. That’s what the race has been all about thus far. It can easily go back to Santorum after Super Tuesday(especially if Newt drops out), but delegate count will become an issue the longer this drags on. And with the update Ed just posted, it’s looking the deck is stacked severely(to use a Romney term) against Rick.

Doughboy on February 29, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Turnout appears to be slightly higher than in 2008, and that means that Romney can avoid another knock about his impact on voting in the primaries being depressed in his wins.

Was that due to Democrat turnout? I don’t think it will be a good argument to say “Hey, look at all the Democrats that turned out to vote against me”. Or maybe he could spin that as “they fear me so much they voted for a social con”. But either way, he’s still not inspiring good turnout in his favor.

forest on February 29, 2012 at 9:03 AM

There are two possibilities of who our next president will be. Obama or Romney. Period. Sorry.
And as it is, what should have been a landslide is now going to be a slog in the other direction; i.e. uphill, because of the pettiness and venom of this ridiculous primary.
It’s been an Obama-lover’s dream.
So scream all you want, but reality is what it is. If you want Obama out, Romney is the one guy who MAYBE can do it at this point.
Reagan ain’t walking through that door folks.
Life is full of real choices and consequences. When the current socialist in chief gets another 4 years because we screwed the pooch, well.. those are damn tough consequences.

Sugar Land on February 29, 2012 at 9:04 AM

You know who it is over for? NEWT! The chunky friend of Pelosi needs to bow out now if he wants to see somebody other than Romney get the nomination. It is now a two-man race and Newt isn’t one of the two.

Happy Nomad on February 29, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Actually, Newt is still in second place with 44 project secured delegates to Santorum’s 42.

This is a long way from over. Go Newt!

Kaffa on February 29, 2012 at 9:04 AM

About the results last night, all I can say is thank God.

Mitt Romney is not my ideal libertarian Republican candidate, but he’s all we got.

Santorm and Gingrich are clowns and would automatically give the election to Obama.

It amazes me that National Review, Limbaugh, Levin, etal. think that they’re viable candidates.

Craig Nelson on February 29, 2012 at 9:05 AM

It would help if Newt got out soon and let this be a true 2-man race. Mittens still has the edge, but if he’s gonna be the nominee, I’d rather he win the thing outright and not with 2 conservative alternatives splitting the anti-Romney vote. If Newt flames out on Super Tuesday yet chooses to remain in the race, he’ll essentially be handing this thing to Romney.

Doughboy

Love the hypocrisy. Romney has to win outright, but if Santorum wins simply because he is not Romney, well thats good. Too funny.

Zaggs on February 29, 2012 at 9:05 AM

What’s the matter bluegill? You teh ghey, too–is that it? In that case I might understand your vehemence. But what has Willard done for teh gheys?

Emperor Norton on February 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

You sound like a homophobic bigot, so it’s no surprise at all that you presumably support your fellow bigot, Rick Santorum. And, no, I’m not gay, but if I were, I would want to be a totally raging, out and proud one just to piss off bigoted toads like you and Rick Santorum.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 9:05 AM

We need to unite…man do we ever in order to beat the marxist machine.

Carlos C on February 29, 2012 at 9:05 AM

mountainaires on February 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Thanks for the info. I was hoping for a similar rundown from Ed.

They need to kill this proportional allocation system for the delegates. It’s beyond dumb. You win, you win the delegates…ought to be as simple as that.

Romney will be getting my vote next week. Of course, in VA it is only he and Paul on the ballot, so I don’t expect a photo finish. VA is winner take all too, I think.

changer1701 on February 29, 2012 at 9:06 AM

And I must ask the Hot Air management to consider its mistake in staging its two recent “open admission” days. Since then, the discourse here has been trashed

Emperor Norton on February 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Good morning, lemmings!

Your cliff is over over there. At the bottom are Willard, McCain, Dole, and Jerry Ford.

You teh ghey, too–is that it? In that case I might understand your vehemence. But what has Willard done for teh gheys?

What was it you were saying about discourse?

Good Lt on February 29, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Your cliff is over over there. At the bottom are Willard, McCain, Dole, and Jerry Ford.

Emperor Norton on February 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Just because Romney has a distinctly moderate air about him doesn’t mean we should overcorect and go Goldwater on the other side.

I have never been a Romney fan, but I prefer him to an unelectable big-government socio-con extremist with foot-in-mouth disease like Santorum.

DRayRaven on February 29, 2012 at 9:06 AM

mountainaires on February 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Thank you for your wonderful posts. You provide more information than the official HotAir bloggers.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Santorum did win the democratic anti republican vote though!

Santorum is like a bottle filled with poison pills… which is missing the cap. Unfortunately, the religious right will not let go of their candidate till the bitter end even at the cost of the GOP losing to obama. When one looks at ron paul, it is obvious there are more votes on the libertarian issues than the religious. It might be time for the GOP to change dancing partners.

aniptofar on February 29, 2012 at 9:07 AM

I believe I read somewhere that Romney beat Santorum among Republicans by at least 10 points in Michigan. Long story short: Romney crushed the bigot Santorum. Republican voters rejected the unelectable Santorum in a big way, though you wouldn’t know it from reading some of these headlines minimizing Romney’s win.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Romney also outspent Santorum 2-to-1 and is from Michigan. Stop acting like the base is in lockstep with Mittens and hates Rick. If Romney dominates on Super Tuesday, I think it’ll be much safer to say that a majority of Republican voters are coalescing around his candidacy. Until then, lay off the incendiary comments as your boy Mittens says.

Doughboy on February 29, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Just because Romney has a distinctly moderate air about him doesn’t mean we should overcorect and go Goldwater on the other side.

DRayRaven

Actually, I sort of misspoke there. As someone with libertarian leanings, I actually like Goldwater. I only meant that Santorum is an unelectable now as Goldwater was in 1964, but for different reasons. Our country could actually do with some Goldwater these days.

DRayRaven on February 29, 2012 at 9:08 AM

How would Santorum have done in Michigan without the votes of Democrats who are hoping and praying that Santorum will be the Republican presidential candidate? What should those who want a strong candidate as our nominee make of the fact that many Democrats are salivating at the notion of Santorum running against Obama?

Democrats were 9% of the vote. They voted heavily for Santorum. Romney would have won by another 7-8 points without Operation Chaos.

And, just as important, if not even more – what does it say about Santorum himself that he was willing to appeal to those Democrat voters who can’t stand him and mock him? Do we really want to nominate someone who preaches principle – but when push comes to shove, tries to get in however he can?

He lacks integrity and respect for Republicans.

Time to wish Romney the best, Senator Santorum – and then do your best for the party you profess to support.

Santorum won’t give up but it’s time for Republicans to abandon him and embrace Mitt so that the Death Star can focus on Obama.

Basilsbest on February 29, 2012 at 9:09 AM

What was it you were saying about discourse?

Good Lt

Yeah they spout the most vile crap and beg that anyone who likes Romney be banned, buts its not a bit their fault if discourse goes down the drain. Yep, they’re chosen by god and so are perfect.

Zaggs on February 29, 2012 at 9:09 AM

I guess he has a chance if Democrats are allowed to vote. He loses Catholics so that’s not helping him. Mitt won the Republican vote in Michigan by 10% so not as close as the Auto Unions and the Santorum democrats tried to make it look.

BobScuba on February 29, 2012 at 9:10 AM

OT, but I am curious……

Does anyone know why the link to “The Other McCain” is gone from the Right Channels section of links?

Did I miss a feud between Stacey McCain and Ed or something??

BacaDog on February 29, 2012 at 9:11 AM

It’s been an Obama-lover’s dream.

Sugar Land on February 29, 2012 at 9:04 AM

In the press maybe. Romney is learning how to be king of the mountain. Obama has only had to fight through one opponent with the significant advantage of his race and having no record. He has a record now and his race is only an advantage with the AA voters. White guilt will not come into play this election. If romney takes his lessons to heart, he will maul obama in the general.

I still have this rule that the best looking candidate in the general wins since the 70s/tv. I’m no real judge of male attractiveness but i think mitt has obama beat.

aniptofar on February 29, 2012 at 9:12 AM

And with the update Ed just posted, it’s looking the deck is stacked severely(to use a Romney term) against Rick.

Doughboy on February 29, 2012 at 9:03 AM

In re the update: How in the crap does that happen? I understand Virginia. He was short on cash and had to make a Sophie’s Choice. But Ohio? Right next door to Pennsylvania? Sounds like a “severely” disjointed campaign. But you never know, maybe the Dems can save the day for him–in the primaries, not the general.

rogaineguy on February 29, 2012 at 9:13 AM

It amazes me that National Review, Limbaugh, Levin, etal. think that they’re viable candidates.

Craig Nelson on February 29, 2012 at 9:05 AM

National Review is firmly in the tank for Romney. It is harder to find a conservative new source that is MORE pro Romney than NRO.

It really amazes me that Romney’s supporters are blaming all their ill fortune on a tiny coalition of a handful of talk radio hosts and conservative blogs.

Doomberg on February 29, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Out of all the hundreds of comments I’ve seen in the last week here I have yet to see anyone make a factually correct or logically coherent case for Santorum and/or a case for their hatred of Romney.

RINO on February 29, 2012 at 9:16 AM

My point about Toxic Loser Romney is rather simple: he’s a squishtard weak sauce candidate who shouldn’t be having trouble with Rick Santorum.

Boy Casey beat Santorum by 20 points in 2006. Squishtard is struggling to put Rick away.

Mitt couldn’t close the deal if he were speaking to an empty stadium full of plastic chairs.

That tells me all I need to know about how well he will do in the fall against a real opponent.

victor82 on February 29, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Love the hypocrisy. Romney has to win outright, but if Santorum wins simply because he is not Romney, well thats good. Too funny.

Zaggs on February 29, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Did I say that? If you bothered reading my post, I said Santorum can’t win this thing if Newt stays in. The anti-Romney vote will be split between the two. If Newt drops out, we can have a true 2-man race and let the best candidate win. I’d much prefer that to the alternative of Romney winning the nomination by default because the base is split between too many candidates. That’s what happened in 2008 with McCain thanks to the Huckster and Romney supporters splitting their votes and the base remained bitter and disappointed with the candidate they were stuck with.

Doughboy on February 29, 2012 at 9:16 AM

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 8:59 AM

I have no use for Mick Santuckabeee either, but it’s time for you to switch to decaf.

Look Polish on February 29, 2012 at 9:18 AM

What was it you were saying about discourse?

Good Lt on February 29, 2012 at 9:06 AM

did he say that stuff? pretty hypocritical Emps

DHChron on February 29, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Salena Zito of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reminds me that Santorum won’t be on the ballot at all in three of Ohio’s Congressional districts:

Political strategists consider Ohio a critical win for the eventual Republican nominee because none has won the White House without winning the state.

Among 10 states holding Super Tuesday primaries on March 6, Ohio will award 66 delegates to the Republican National Convention. Santorum is not on the ballot in three of the 16 congressional districts, potentially putting him at a nine-delegate disadvantage.

That complicates matters for winning the state, obviously. If Santorum loses Ohio overall because he couldn’t make the ballot in three CDs, that won’t be an excuse — it will become a reason for voters in later contests to stick with the candidate with better organization. Santorum will need to win by enough in the other thirteen CDs to overcome his omission, and that will be a very tall order.

Reality bites.

Rick Santorum wasn’t prepared for this campaign, and though he’s done better than anyone expected him to do so far, because of the mainstream media/Obama campaign attacks on Romney, aided and abetted by culture warriors and evangelical idiots who are-breathtakingly–working with liberals in a coordinated attack campaign against the most viable GOP candidate, Mitt Romney–Santorum will fold like a cheap suit because he’s NOT organized or prepared. I hope it happens in Ohio, but it will happen.

Face reality: Mitt Romney is a good GOP candidate, a candidate that independents and even some Democrats will vote for in November. Romney has the experience and the integrity this nation needs now. We DO need a “technocrat”–a leader who can turn this economy around and establish the policy direction we need to go forward.

Stupid people complain that Romney doesn’t have “passion.” That is simply not true; Romney does have passion; he just has passion for achieving, not deceiving. Romney’s biggest passion is for TURNING THINGS AROUND, instead of, like Santorum and Obama, passion for obstructing, distracting, and dividing this nation on culture wars and class wars.

ON THAT SCORE THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SANTORUM AND OBAMA.

mountainaires on February 29, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Every candidate I have had hopes for has been a disappointment. I understand some of what Santorum is trying to say on social issues but he just doesnt articulate his positions in a smart way and has opened himself up for attacks on his weakest spot. Same with Romney and Gingrich. They have all stupidly played into their own stereotypes. When I make a list of pros and cons they all come out equaly. And by the way post after post about santorum being a bigot is not going to influence anyone to drop him as their candidate. Its just annoying

ldbgcoleman on February 29, 2012 at 9:19 AM

I have never been a Romney fan, but I prefer him to an unelectable big-government socio-con

I’ve been saying since the time Cain was leading the polls that I support Gingrich.

What was it you were saying about discourse?

If you have to, read the post again.

I’m not gay, but if I were, I would want to be a totally raging, out and proud one

You frequently use the word “bigot,” a habit of “politically correct” Democratic voters. Bigot this, bigot that. You should use you energies and your indignation for a greater cause than dragging a lame politican–Willard–across the finish line.

Emperor Norton on February 29, 2012 at 9:20 AM

I still have this rule that the best looking candidate in the general wins since the 70s/tv. I’m no real judge of male attractiveness but i think mitt has obama beat.

aniptofar on February 29, 2012 at 9:12 AM

I have thought this for a while. I’m not saying it’s a good thing, but better looking/telegenic people do get viewed much more favorably.

Mock me all you want for saying this, but Mitt Romney is probably the best looking presidential candidate, ever. I have seen him in person (he is tall and just LOOKS like someone who’s important), and the tv camera’s love his face. He could have very easily been a model.

Combined that with the fact that he performs very well on his feet and in tv interviews, and you have a man who has many built-in advantages when it comes to leaving a good first impression with voters just learning about the candidates.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 9:20 AM

I hope a few of the candidates drop off after super Tuesday

cmsinaz on February 29, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Yeah, me, too. That will leave only Romney.

In the meantime, Go Newt!!!

Syzygy on February 29, 2012 at 9:20 AM

“The problem with that spin is that, eventually, wins matter, and not just in delegate counts. One does not win the nomination through a series of second-place finishes.” – Ed

I wouldn’t bet the farm on that, Ed.
Watch as a stealthy Newt Gingrich arises like the Phoenix amidst the rubble.
Well, there’s still hope anyhow.

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Karl Magnus on February 29, 2012 at 9:21 AM

up with Newtons!

they’re my favorite cookie

DHChron on February 29, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Love the hypocrisy. Romney has to win outright, but if Santorum wins simply because he is not Romney, well thats good. Too funny.

Zaggs on February 29, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Did I say that? If you bothered reading my post, I said Santorum can’t win this thing if Newt stays in. The anti-Romney vote will be split between the two. If Newt drops out, we can have a true 2-man race and let the best candidate win. I’d much prefer that to the alternative of Romney winning the nomination by default because the base is split between too many candidates. That’s what happened in 2008 with McCain thanks to the Huckster and Romney supporters splitting their votes and the base remained bitter and disappointed with the candidate they were stuck with.

Doughboy

Lets check the tape.

It would help if Newt got out soon and let this be a true 2-man race. Mittens still has the edge, but if he’s gonna be the nominee, I’d rather he win the thing outright and not with 2 conservative alternatives splitting the anti-Romney vote. If Newt flames out on Super Tuesday yet chooses to remain in the race, he’ll essentially be handing this thing to Romney.

Doughboy

So if Gingrich and Santy are splitting the anti-romney vote, thats all they’ve got. Hence whoever drops out between Gingrich or Santy, the other wins the anti-Romney vote. Or if you’d prefer they win not because people want them to win, but because they do not want Romney to win. Yet Romney is supposed to win outright, relying on people actually voting for him and not against anything else. Those are your words. Perhaps the meaning you conveyed is not what you meant, but that is what you said.

Zaggs on February 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Emperor Norton on February 29, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Republicans should call out bigotry, too. When someone supports banning homosexual activity (as Rick Santorum has done), that crosses a line into bigotry, as far as I’m concerned. This isn’t psuedo bigotry or a phony charge, like we often get from Dems. Rick Santorum’s 2003 “ban homosexuality” position is nothing short of Taliban-esque.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Karl Magnus on February 29, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Neat!

Lightswitch on February 29, 2012 at 9:25 AM

I’m female, but the US would be a better place if women couldn’t vote, lol.

gumbyandpokey on February 29, 2012 at 9:25 AM

gumbyandpokey on February 29, 2012 at 9:25 AM

heh

DHChron on February 29, 2012 at 9:28 AM

I did root for Romney this Tuesday – mostly due to his relative competence and alleged alliance with Ron Paul, not his “severe conservatism” – but can someone put a lid on ‘bluegill’, ‘jailbreak’ et al? The dudes are obviously paid to incite against the candidate they profess to support, and I find it difficult to read actual posts through the spam.

Archivarix on February 29, 2012 at 9:29 AM

I hope a few of the candidates drop off after super Tuesday

Agree Ed, a win is a win.

cmsinaz on February 29, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Well, I don’t see Romney or Santorum dropping out. Do you really think Newt’s ego will let him drop out? Is Ron Paul going to let down his faithful and drop out? To me, it looks like they’re all going all the way to the convention. On the plus side, I thought both Rick and Mitt gave better speeches last night than after previous primaries.

Jobs, Deficit, Energy.

talkingpoints on February 29, 2012 at 9:29 AM

ever notice when someone’s argument sucks they resort to disparaging the level of discourse? Ever notice that Emps?

DHChron on February 29, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Thank you for your wonderful posts. You provide more information than the official HotAir bloggers.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 9:07 AM

I’m sure they can show you the door. You can then read the posts you agree with, and we don’t have to put up with your bigotry. win/win

Lightswitch on February 29, 2012 at 9:30 AM

The Willard supporters also take time out to chat with their sock puppet:

What was it you were saying about discourse?
Good Lt on February 29, 2012 at 9:06 AM

did he say that stuff? pretty hypocritical Emps
DHChron on February 29, 2012 at 9:19 AM

They congratulate their fellow campaign workers in the next cubicle:

mountainaires on February 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM
Thank you for your wonderful posts. You provide more information than the official HotAir bloggers.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 9:07 AM

And most of all, they make stuff up:

they . . beg that anyone who likes Romney be banned

Emperor Norton on February 29, 2012 at 9:30 AM

It’s my hope talkingpoints

cmsinaz on February 29, 2012 at 9:32 AM

I’m female, but the US would be a better place if women couldn’t vote, lol.

gumbyandpokey on February 29, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Why?

dmn1972 on February 29, 2012 at 9:32 AM

I see the choice between Obama and Romney as “Would you rather drive the economy further into the mire or let it sit in the mud and do nothing?” Sure, voting Romney will be better only be better because he probably won’t make thinks much worse. But it’s depressing, because I don’t think he will make anything better either.

firegnome on February 29, 2012 at 9:32 AM

After Mitt Romney’s sweep last night and a fresh delegate haul, the road ahead gets tougher for Rick Santorum.

Sure, because this is all about Rick Santorum.

Here’s a consoling idea, Ed. After Romney wins, Santorum can follow the lead of his mentor, Arlen Spector, and become a Democrat. Then he can run against Romney again in four years from a more congenial home. He might even have a chance. And with all the quotes from and links to Huffpo, the NYT, DK, and PPP around here, turning Hot Air blue won’t be much of a stretch. At least Allah will be able to relax.

mountainaires on February 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Thank you for that. At least we’re still getting some real analysis of the election here at Hot Air, even if we have to go to the comments for it.

BTW, for all the blather about Santorum’s “late surge” in the polls, I’d say Romney made the right call in personally. denouncing Santorum’s Dem Robocall strategy. That assured statewide, saturation coverage of the issue right before the polls opened. Looking a little whiny to the haters is a small price to pay for showing everyone else what an unprincipled ass Santorum is.

Mr. Arkadin on February 29, 2012 at 9:32 AM

It would help if Newt got out soon and let this be a true 2-man race. Mittens still has the edge, but if he’s gonna be the nominee, I’d rather he win the thing outright and not with 2 conservative alternatives splitting the anti-Romney vote. If Newt flames out on Super Tuesday yet chooses to remain in the race, he’ll essentially be handing this thing to Romney.

Doughboy on February 29, 2012 at 8:58 AM

No, No, No
THE “two-man race” should be between Newt and Willard.
The clear proponent of conservatism v. another finger-in-the-wind cult-member.
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Karl Magnus on February 29, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Emps with the mittiots! nice…except I’m for newt, so go eff yourself. Sorry! my level of discourse is Très Low

DHChron on February 29, 2012 at 9:33 AM

We need to unite…man do we ever in order to beat the marxist machine.

Carlos C on February 29, 2012 at 9:05 AM

the problem with that.

What was it you were saying about discourse?

Good Lt

Yeah they spout the most vile crap and beg that anyone who likes Romney be banned, buts its not a bit their fault if discourse goes down the drain. Yep, they’re chosen by god and so are perfect.

Zaggs on February 29, 2012 at 9:09 AM

..

you people are freakin tone deaf..

You sound like a homophobic bigot, so it’s no surprise at all that you presumably support your fellow bigot, Rick Santorum. And, no, I’m not gay, but if I were, I would want to be a totally raging, out and proud one just to piss off bigoted toads like you and Rick Santorum.

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 9:05 AM

You have so many on your side so happy to “set their hair on fire”

and never once acknowledge it.. try reading your own peoples bullsh*t before crying about somebody else’s.

mark81150 on February 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM

You frequently use the word “bigot,” a habit of “politically correct” Democratic voters. Bigot this, bigot that. You should use you energies and your indignation for a greater cause than dragging a lame politican–Willard–across the finish line.

Emperor Norton on February 29, 2012 at 9:20 AM

A lot of the rhetoric used by Romney supporters these days is essentially indistinguishable from what you would hear on Daily Kos. It used to be restricted to just Palin, but now it is routinely used against all conservatives. Had people been talking like this before 2009, I would have assumed they were Democrats. Now my default assumption is that they’re liberal Republicans and Romney supporters rather than Democrats.

Doomberg on February 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM

No one else say Santorum’s a conservative…it’s the surest sign you don’t know what you’re talking about.

DHChron on February 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

National Review is firmly in the tank for Romney.

Doomberg on February 29, 2012 at 9:15 AM

That’s not the impression I get. For example: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/291518/effrontery-rick-santorum-rich-lowry

Yes, NRO also has columns that are favorable to Romney. But I don’t think the publication on the whole is “in the tank for” anyone.

Syzygy on February 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Given the way this race broke late, I think people are underestimating how much Santourm’s Sunday morning show performance hurt him.
My wife watched him and spent half a day talking about the fact that she liked most everything he said, but that the way he said it was so lame, and so unpleasant, that she didn’t want him as a spokesperson for those ideas. The takeaway she had from watching him talk was that he’d hurt the very things he champions more than he’d help them, so she went from a supporter to an active antagonist in one show.

dougwinship on February 29, 2012 at 8:55 AM

While I’ve always been a Romney supporter, I have to say that it was during the first ten debates or so, that my intense dislike of Santorum was formed. His mannerism’s are extremely unattractive. He wears his judgemental attitude like a football player wears a lettermans jacket. I don’t even think he has enough self awareness or humility to appreciate how arrogant and bitter he comes across.

BettyRuth on February 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

THE “two-man race” should be between Newt and Willard.

That would be a lot more interesting than the current situation.

Lightswitch on February 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

No one else say Santorum’s a conservative…it’s the surest sign you don’t know what you’re talking about.

DHChron on February 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

You mean the guy who sat on the couch with Nancy Pelosi is? News to me.

gryphon202 on February 29, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Republicans should call out bigotry, too.

We have. It was called the Civil War. You may have heard of it. It was in all the newspapers.

When someone supports banning homosexual activity. . . that crosses a line into bigotry

Actually, that activity was banned until 2003, until the Supreme Court case Lawrence v. Texas. Disapproving of that activity is just an opinion.

If you think Lawrence v. Texas was right, maybe you think Roe v. Wade was right, too. Even so, I don’t hear anybody like you screaming that abortion opponents are like the Taliban.

Lighten up, Francis.

Now.

Emperor Norton on February 29, 2012 at 9:38 AM

And I must ask the Hot Air management to consider its mistake in staging its two recent “open admission” days. Since then, the discourse here has been trashed by campaign volunteers–most of them not yet of voting age, apparently.

Emperor Norton on February 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

I couldn’t agree with you more. I almost dread coming to this site the discourse is at such a base level.

KickandSwimMom on February 29, 2012 at 9:38 AM

What’s the matter bluegill? You teh ghey, too–is that it? In that case I might understand your vehemence. But what has Willard done for teh gheys?

Emperor Norton on February 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Let me see: you take every opportunity to bring up homosexuality regardless of actual topic, you gay bash constantly, and your username indicates more than a passing familiarity with San Francisco history since the late Joshua Norton, wonderfully grandiose and delusional, is celebrated as a San Fransisco icon. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Just so you know, that handsome young barrista at Starbucks isn’t giving you surreptious glances while your head is turned. And that muscular neighbor guy you see jogging every morning on your way to work? He isn’t interested, either. To them, you’re just a chubby, insignificant comic book geek with who stares too much.

troyriser_gopftw on February 29, 2012 at 9:40 AM

You mean the guy who sat on the couch with Nancy Pelosi is? News to me.

gryphon202 on February 29, 2012 at 9:37 AM

hahaha gryphon…show me the post where I say Newt’s a conservative. Show it to me. hint – it doesn’t exist

DHChron on February 29, 2012 at 9:40 AM

I’m willing to forgo the insults.. as we do have to at some point, come together..

and you Bluegill, here’s a clue…. supporting a Catholic may make a person a bigot in your eye’s, but I suspect voting anyone besides your personal handpicked choice also wins a bigot label from you. Stop insulting everyone, and you might get an occasional conversation, so far, between your hysterical rants about Ed and Allah, your boneheaded hatemongering, and your groveling boot licking to any poster who says something nice about Romney..

how much is the Obama campaign paying you to come here and play Romney supporter?

mark81150 on February 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM

troyriser_gopftw on February 29, 2012 at 9:40 AM

no way! Emps is the model of civil discourse

DHChron on February 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM

I will go out party and get drunk the day Santorum gets out of the race. It should be a nice day to celebrate the downfall of a radical

liberal4life on February 29, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Doomberg on February 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM

What did you think about the (fortunately unsuccessful) misleading anti-Romney robocalls that relied on class warfare tactics to try to hurt Romney in Michigan? Have a problem with those? Since you’re so against the co-opting of leftist tactics, I have no doubt that you were disgusted with the Santorum campaign for doing such a thing.

Or do you just get upset when someone points out the fact that wanting to ban private, consensual non-procreative sexual activity between adults just might qualify someone for the bigot label?

I’m just glad that more and more people are realizing the obvious fact that…

A Vote for the bigot Rick Santorum in the Primaries = A Vote for Obama’s Reelection

bluegill on February 29, 2012 at 9:43 AM

If you think Lawrence v. Texas was right, maybe you think Roe v. Wade was right, too. Even so, I don’t hear anybody like you screaming that abortion opponents are like the Taliban.

Emperor Norton on February 29, 2012 at 9:38 AM

That’s sheer stupidity on display. Snaking one’s tailpipe does not harm anyone when there are two consenting adults involved in it; there is no victim and no harm. An abortion, on the other hand, terminates a life (whether a fetus is a “life” is a matter of debate, but still the harm is visible). See the difference now?

Archivarix on February 29, 2012 at 9:43 AM

[M]y level of discourse is Très Low.

DHChron on February 29, 2012 at 9:33 AM

:) So long as you’re not a “hatin’ Mittbot, it’s all good with the “Santorum’s a conservative” crowd!

Syzygy on February 29, 2012 at 9:44 AM

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