Romney: “It’s very easy to excite the base with incendiary comments”

posted at 3:40 pm on February 28, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via TPM, a valentine from the nominal frontrunner to grassroots conservatives on the day of the big vote in Michigan. On the one hand, it is true that calling the Chinese “motherf***ers” or, say, mumbling about O’s birth certificate can get you traction with some populists who are spoiling for a take-it-to-’em campaign in November. Four words, my friends: “Republican frontrunner Donald Trump.”

On the other hand, John McCormack’s right. The reason we’ve cycled through Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Gingrich, and now Santorum as top-tier challengers to Mitt isn’t because they’ve sequentially one-upped each other in how much tasty rhetorical red meat they’re willing to plate. It’s because the base doesn’t trust Romney and will seize on whoever the most viable alternative is at any given moment. (That’s why Newt hasn’t dropped out. He’s one Santorum stumble away from being legit again and he knows it.) Look no further than the trends in national polling: Newt’s decline right after Florida almost perfectly coincides with Santorum’s surge. Anti-Romney voters simply dropped one (comparatively) conservative Not Mitt for another. What’s “exciting” them is their horror at nominating an uncharismatic serial flip-flopper whom they disdain, and who obviously disdains them. And tied up in all of this, of course, is the conventional wisdom that using “incendiary” rhetoric to win primary votes will make the eventual nominee less viable in the general by dragging him further away from the center. Given Romney’s track record of political opportunism, what would happen if you could prove to him statistically that calling Obama a socialist would attract independents in the general election instead of driving them away? Would Mitt still object to using that term on principle or would it be time for a second look at red meat? That is to say, how much of his smugness in the clip is justified by being genuinely above-the-fray and how much of it is just a pose aimed at dismissing Santorum as a cheap rhetorical bottom-feeder?


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How many people on this very site are saying Romney is too weak to win because he – and I quote – “won’t even call Obama a socialist,” or the like?

KingGold on February 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Why not just point out the actual results of Obowma’s energy policies…

… and his economic policies, and foreign policies, and the crony capitalism, and “Fast and Furious”, and the lack of a budget, the Trillions in spending, the explosion of debt, the regulations, Obowma’s EPA and FCC, all of the Executive Orders, the Czars, the non-recess appointments, the lawlessness and the disregard for the Constitution?

Why not just expose the truth about Obowma that the media has been hiding and covering up for him…?

… Something all of the candidates should have been doing since day one, except they had to respond to one candidate who was attacking them.

Mittens…

… and now he says he is not going to attack Obowma.

Can someone please explain this to me…?

Seven Percent Solution on February 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Seems like Santorum is really exciting the base…………the Democratic base.

PS. Polls show Romney winning the GOP vote

Tater Salad on February 28, 2012 at 4:07 PM

would you be awfully surprised if Sanitarium would argue that he probably won the Dem votes on the merit :-), and that they will vote for him in the generals too? :-)…As detached from reality as he is, I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually made that case :-)…I hope they will put the stats out there, I mean am just curious how many dems voted for him in Mi…

jimver on February 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

You know, Mitt, you COULD have tried exciting the base with comments that AREN’T incendiary but that are at least honest and clear about the problems facing this country and the things needed to solve them. You COULD have tried that YEARS ago, in which case you wouldn’t be struggling so hard to get the base to support you this year.

You COULD have tried that, that is, if you were at least conservative enough to actually have some idea of what conservatives want (other than, you know, “incendiary comments”).

Aitch748 on February 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

The thing is, Mitt’s fan club will start coming out and sneering at the rest of us “true conservatives.” They will lash out at other candidates. Then they will say that it’s ridiculous to expect Mitt Romney to call Obama a socialist – as if that’s really what the base wants. They have no problem dumping fire on the base and sadly, Mitt Romney has been dumping fire everywhere he goes.

He dumps on the Chinese and threatens trade wars.

He dumps on Newt Gingrich and claims Politics isn’t bean bag; but then whines when Santorum plays dirty.

He flipped flopped on many core policy issues, and then goes on to point out others flip flops.

He has no problem showing a temper when it comes to his illegal mowing crew.

He continuously throws the base under the bus. He condescendingly looks at them. But, don’t you dare threaten not to support him in the general election.

It’s not that Mitt Romney doesn’t have that “fire in the belly.” It’s that conservatives give him indigestion.

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Here’s what I don’t get. Romney is happy to do a Mexican hat dance around all sorts of issues and can speak out of both sides of both sides of his mouth. Yet, he can’t deign to call Obama a socialist (or whatever outrage has been uttered by his unwashed competitors). He can say he’s for abortion but really against it, for Romneycare but against Obamacare–but he can’t lower himself to calling Obama a Foodstamp President, a snob, an Apologist-in-Chief.

Does this remind anyone of McCain’s “honorable” campaign?

EMD on February 28, 2012 at 4:04 PM

+1

Norwegian on February 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Meanwhile our dear leader, El Presidente Downgrade and his merry band of National Socialists can say whatever the H%$# they want.

Chip on February 28, 2012 at 4:05 PM

It is kinda easy to run campaigns when the whole media machine is busy giving your anus a tongue bath. Look at Vladimir Putin: every two out of three Russians hate him with passion but you’d believe he’s got people lining to worship him if the only thing you read is local press.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM

I could not place the last post because it made sense or because you have something planned?

IlikedAUH2O on February 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Pappy is totally wrong. Nominating Santorum is the disaster in November, not Romney.

The GOP wins the White House when it nominates governors (Reagan, Bush 43) or vice presidents (Nixon, Bush 41). The GOP LOSES the White House when it stupidly nominates a senator (Dole, McCain, Goldwater, Santorum?). Why? Because these senators have a congressional voting record that is dissected and picked apart. They vote on every side of every issue with various procedural votes, tabling motions, and so forth. Disaster for a GOP candidate.

The last GOP senator elected to the presidency was Warren Harding in 1920.

The Dems can nominate senators and win; people know what they are getting: more inside DC people who spend, spend, spend.

The electorate is looking for something different from the GOP; executive experience and someone not from DC.

Wake up, Michigan and Ohio. Every vote for Santorum is a vote for Obama.

matthew8787 on February 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 4:10 PM

I actually feel badly for the people that call in with one viewpoint and Mark berates them and they cower in the corner and end up saying that he is the best and “thank” him for the opportunity to be belittled. I don’t understand how he keeps a following.

As far as foot in mouth disease, every candidate has the same thing. Depends on the day and who is willing to dredge it up and make an issue about it.

I would though say thet in the short 2 weeks Santorum has been in the spotlight, he has continually had his foot in his mouth trying to extract it. Many times he didn’t even know it.

Midwesterner on February 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM

That was actually just my sarcasm-dripping take on the topic at hand, changer.
:-)

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Heh…yeah, I picked up on that.

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 4:22 PM

and now he says he is not going to attack Obowma.

Can someone please explain this to me…?

Seven Percent Solution on February 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

he won’t attack him on phoney issues, like Sanitarium does…

jimver on February 28, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Norwegian on February 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM

It is called trying to get votes from the general electorate.

IlikedAUH2O on February 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Tater Salad on February 28, 2012 at 4:07 PM
jimver on February 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Surprise! It Was Romney Backers that Pushed for Open Primary in Michigan

Emphasis added.

According to a Michigan Republican State Committee (MRSC) member, Romney backers in statewide Republican leadership roles, including the governor and attorney general, pushed for an open Michigan primary. These open primary rules allow voters to vote in either party’s primary without declaring any party affiliation….

According to our source, “with a large TNT bomb they blew the door off the hinges to allow Democrats to come in and vote today.” Who opposed this open primary rule? According to the MRSC member we talked to, die hard conservatives voted NO on the open primary because they knew anything other than a caucus or convention could allow liberals and Democrats to play a large role in selecting the Republican nominee. In the end, Romney’s supporters on the committee from Wayne County and Oakland County won out, believing the influx of Democrats and independents would boost Romney’s performance.

Romney today is bemoaning the possibility of Democrats influencing then outcome of today’s election. He should recall it was his own prominent establishment Republican supporters across Michigan who made this possible.

Good old do anything to win Mitt.

Hoist with his own petard.

INC on February 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM

If you had any principles you would go with Ron Paul. At least he is a conservative.

Tater Salad on February 28, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Seriously??

I guess you’ve never heard of his legalize drug agenda
for our Nation? Let’s legalize HEROIN. yep that is
CONSERVATIVE alright….and he has foreign policy positions
that Dennis Kucinich(sp) has supported over the years…
Remember how CONSERVATIVE Mr. Kucinich is right?

Yeah, me neither.

There is NO Conservative in this race.

There was one available but she chose not to run….

ToddPA on February 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM

He dumps on the Chinese and threatens trade wars.

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Among other Romney things you listed, that was actually a sane one. The only way to start fixing the damage Clinton caused by letting China into WTO is to kick them out.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Step away from the ledge Bluegill.

Fuquay Steve on February 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM

At least Juan Wayne McSame waited until after he won the nomination to surrender,
Rumney is runnin up the white flag before the primaries’ even decided,
Whats next? obama is a fine family man who loves his country and as a constitutional scholar loves its constitution.

Anybody but Obama = ABO
Anybody but Mitt = ABM

ConcealedKerry on February 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM

They have no problem dumping fire on the base and sadly, Mitt Romney has been dumping fire everywhere he goes….

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Excellent points in your comment.

INC on February 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM

In the general, how is Gov. Romney going to sell himself to the long termed unemployed and the habitual welfare recipients?
Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 3:54 PM

“I don’t know any unemployed, but I have friends who own companies who have made people unemployed.”

Mitt Romney

portlandon on February 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM

The horror of a Mitt Romney nomination is that this is the furthest right he’s willing to go. Once he’s clinched the nomination, he’s going to make RINOs think they’re Barry Goldwater.

JavelinaBomb on February 28, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Barry Goldwater would be considered a RINO by this crowd. He didn’t hate the gays, don’cha know?

Look Polish on February 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Well, I guess Romney isn’t a “severe” conservative after all. LOL

IcedTea on February 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM

I tried to post an article from a business site indicating that Obama is now felt to be the favorite by the markets.

This was considered almost impossible not too long ago.

Here is a quote:

“The Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich infighting has done irreparable harm to the Republican Party’s ability to present an alternative economic platform to voters,” says Joe Terranova, chief market strategist for Virtus Investment Partners. “As long as manufacturing and other key data continues to improve, the market is growing comfortable with Obama being President again.”

IlikedAUH2O on February 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Something all of the candidates should have been doing since day one, except they had to respond to one candidate who was attacking them.

Mittens…

… and now he says he is not going to attack Obowma.

Can someone please explain this to me…?

Seven Percent Solution on February 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

You’ve not been paying attention…they’ve gone after Obama about all that, and more.

And “Mittens” didn’t say he wouldn’t attack Obama, just that he’s not going to be calling him the devil incarnate while doing so. If that’s all you’re after (and not, you know, important qualifications for the office), guess he’s not your guy.

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 4:26 PM

he won’t attack him on phoney issues, like Sanitarium does…

Oh really, name one…

ironmarshal on February 28, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Whatevs. When he’s the nominee, ya’ll’ll be pulling the lever for ROMNEY.
lostmotherland on February 28, 2012 at 4:08 PM

If he were the nominee many Republicans, knowing it would be a massive, unprecedented win by Obama, would likely decide not to bother to waste their time for a sure loser. Santorum’s turned to courting the far left vote, but apparently he hasn’t googled his own name to see exactly how enthusiastic the liberals would be for him in a general election.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 4:28 PM

portlandon on February 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Senator Santorium spent decades in school studying Law to run for office. He also holds an MBA from a good school. Lotta time in school.

Never dirtied his hands, no sir. Never had a job.

IlikedAUH2O on February 28, 2012 at 4:28 PM

he won’t attack him on phoney issues, like Sanitarium does…

Oh really, name one…

ironmarshal on February 28, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Obamacare…

Cap & Trade…

Taxes aka Fees…

1% vs 99%…

Those are all red hearings for the catfish…

Y314K on February 28, 2012 at 4:29 PM

he won’t attack him on phoney issues, like Sanitarium does…

jimver on February 28, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Out of my short list…

… name one “phoney issue” of Obowma’s?

Seven Percent Solution on February 28, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Good old do anything to win Mitt.

Hoist with his own petard.

INC on February 28, 2012 at 4:23 PM

so, what does your comment has to do with my post? If you you single out my comment and post a reply to it, at least make sure that you understand my point..I was basically saying that I wouldn’t be surprised if a clown like Sanitraium would actually proclaim that the Dem voters who voted for him were actually legit and that they would vote for him in the generals too :-)… he can always back that claim up up with Michael Moore’s comments lol :-)…

jimver on February 28, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Better watch it, Romney the RINO! You are sounding dangerously close to Obama’s “Bitter Gun-Toting, Bible-Thumpers” speech.

But then, I’ve always thought that Romney is closer to Obama than many think.

Sterling Holobyte on February 28, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Never had a job.

IlikedAUH2O on February 28, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Does this ring a bell?

IlikedAUH2O on February 28, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Santorum’s turned to courting the far left vote, but apparently he hasn’t googled his own name to see exactly how enthusiastic the liberals would be for him in a general election.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 4:28 PM

I propose he change his name so as to eliminate that issue. Mick Santuckabee has a nice ring to it.

Look Polish on February 28, 2012 at 4:31 PM

have to do, that is…

jimver on February 28, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Um, saying that we’re ‘easy to excite with incendiary comments’ strikes me as a bit disdainful.

You are.

Boomer_Sooner on February 28, 2012 at 4:32 PM

I’ve never seen a group of people run from person to person as much as the current “very conservative” base. It’s like they run to and fro from one side of the boat to the other. As soon as Rush, or Sarah, or Sean, or Mark tells them how they should feel or who is “conservative” or not they are on their way.

Sorry if this offends anyone but it is the dynamic I have seen this cycle.

Midwesterner on February 28, 2012 at 3:54 PM

No, it’s the exact opposite. These surges have come without any “instructions” from Limbaugh or whoever on how to vote. Usually the talk radio hosts are just riding the bandwagon. In the case of Gingrich, for example, he was already surging in SC when Palin and Perry chose to back him.

The bottom line is the base can’t stand Romney and doesn’t support him and won’t support him. They are looking for someone – ANYONE – who can stop him at this point because they’re terrified of getting another McCain or being trapped with another big spender. Romney’s #1 job has been to reverse this perception, and instead he and his supporters seem to revel in it.

The establishment could have easily fielded a compromise candidate like Chris Christie or Rick Perry when they began getting warning signals after the Obamacare battle. Instead, they chose to try to ram Romney through to teach the Tea Party a lesson about who was in charge, and now they are getting a well-deserved shellacking.

I’m getting tired of “talk radio” being blamed for everything. I expect to hear these kinds of arguments on Kos and not on Hot Air. Romney has had a friendly MSM for most of the primary along with support from most of the big conservative outlets such as FOX. There is no sinister so-con conspiracy and there is no “taking cues from Limbaugh.”

The base just doesn’t like Romney, plain and simple.

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Seems like Santorum is really exciting the base…………the Democratic base.

PS. Polls show Romney winning the GOP vote

Tater Salad on February 28, 2012 at 4:07 PM

This may come as a SHOCK to you, but to those of us who reside
in PA it is not, Santorum was very effective at getting DEM
votes for his Senate victories. How? O.K., hold on to
your hat….Parents, hide the kids! He won them on SOCIAL ISSUES.

Many PA Dems are sick of the Leftist Dmeocrat Party on the
national level. Santorum exploited that perfectly. But it all
came to an end in 2006, when anti-Bush sentiment swept over
the state AND (here’s the clincher) the PA DEM party ran
a PRO-LIFE candidate in Robert Casey Jr. against him. Of course
Casey turned around and abandoned that stance, SHOCKA!!!

ToddPA on February 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM

jimver on February 28, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Because you mentioned Dems voting for Santorum.

If they do, whatever their motivation, Mitt is hoist with his own petard.

INC on February 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Prediction: The anti-Romney punditry among the comments here proves him right.

Red Cloud on February 28, 2012 at 3:43 PM

I’ll see your anti-Romney punditry, and raise
you with come out of the fields like Locusts,
anti Palin screeching any day of the week.

ToddPA on February 28, 2012 at 3:49 PM

I think I just caused a hole in the space-time continuum – I actually like both Mitt and Sarah!

Is that wrong?

kjl291 on February 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM

You’ve not been paying attention…they’ve gone after Obama about all that, and more.

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 4:26 PM

No he hasn’t…

Newt has, Ricko has, Perry did, Michele did, even Paulenty way back when…

… but Mittens?

“Obowma’s a really nice guy…

… He’s just in a little bit over his head.”

Seven Percent Solution on February 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Barry Goldwater would be considered a RINO by this crowd. He didn’t hate the gays, don’cha know?

Look Polish on February 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Yes, that’s it, the entire Tea Party movement is animated solely by hatred of gays. I would suggest you try following Daily Kos. There’s lots of people who think like you there!

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

The last GOP senator elected to the presidency was Warren Harding in 1920.
matthew8787 on February 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM

It helped that his letters to his mistress were sealed until 2024 by court order in Ohio.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 4:35 PM

I think I just caused a hole in the space-time continuum – I actually like both Mitt and Sarah!

Is that wrong?

kjl291 on February 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM

According to the TrueCons, yes. You like Mitt, therefore you’re a filthy RINO who doesn’t belong in the party, therefore you can’t possibly like Palin.

KingGold on February 28, 2012 at 4:35 PM

I think I just caused a hole in the space-time continuum – I actually like both Mitt and Sarah!

Is that wrong?

kjl291 on February 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Depends. Why do you like Romney and why do you like Palin?

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 4:35 PM

I give up! Every time I get to the point where I believe I will be able to keep down my lunch, hold my nose and vote for Romney in the general election, he does something like this.

This one, though, ranks right up there with Obama’s bitter clinger statements, and has now made it much harder for me to support him with my vote.

Why does he continually bite the hand that is overlooking a great deal trying to feed him?

kakypat on February 28, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Out of my short list…

… name one “phoney issue” of Obowma’s?

Seven Percent Solution on February 28, 2012 at 4:30 PM

the snob comment on O’s urging young people to get an education, by that meaning basically to get trained and develop skills, whixh is the correct thing to do…nowhere did he actually say 4-year formal education, but some form of education, meaning anything from technical, vocation schools, to 8-9 month training programs of sorts…Sanitarium sounded ridiculous and out of touch with his ‘snob’ attack, if not down right hypocritical…one one hand he complains about US’s losing jobs to China a.o., on the other he goes like keeping your work force untrained and uneducated is the way to go in a competitive global economy…yeah, it makes a lot of sense for a person with cognitive dissonance problems…wonder if he urges his home-schooled children to limit their education to that too….

jimver on February 28, 2012 at 4:36 PM

I would suggest you try following Daily Kos. There’s lots of people who think like you there!
Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

They’re too busy working with the Santorum campaign to take on any new people.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Yes, that’s it, the entire Tea Party movement is animated solely by hatred of gays. I would suggest you try following Daily Kos. There’s lots of people who think like you there!

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Wrong. I’m a Tea Partier. I was refering to the Santorumites, who are mutually exclusive from Tea Partiers.

Look Polish on February 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM

No he hasn’t…

Newt has, Ricko has, Perry did, Michele did, even Paulenty way back when…

… but Mittens?

Seven Percent Solution on February 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Yep…which is why, at one time or another, I’ve supported all mentioned…except Mittens.

kakypat on February 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Would Mitt still object to using that term on principle or would it be time for a second look at red meat?

Mitt will do whatever it takes to win including feigning indignation over something he himself has done.

Bill C on February 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM

I think I just caused a hole in the space-time continuum – I actually like both Mitt and Sarah!

Is that wrong?

kjl291 on February 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Not at all. Good for you. Look, we all pizz and moan to
extremes in cyberspace….but at the end of the day does
anyone think that any of us are not going to be voting for
the R in November?? I’ve held my nose for years now….might
as well do it again.

ToddPA on February 28, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Wrong. I’m a Tea Partier. I was refering to the Santorumites, who are mutually exclusive from Tea Partiers.

Look Polish on February 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Who gave you the right to purge the party?

Bill C on February 28, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Mitt is getting ready to take a knife to a gunfight. And the guns the Democrats have are more like heavy artillery.

Gee who is going to win that fight? Certainly not America.

Another Republican campaign pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.

Will the moderate Republican wing of this party learn anything from 4 years ago? Doesn’t seem so.

Buddylats

buddylats on February 28, 2012 at 4:39 PM

This one, though, ranks right up there with Obama’s bitter clinger statements, and has now made it much harder for me to support him with my vote.

Why does he continually bite the hand that is overlooking a great deal trying to feed him?

kakypat on February 28, 2012 at 4:35 PM

His campaign increasingly seems to be about the establishment and so-called “moderates” venting their hatred for the party base. If the Tea Party is ABR, the “moderates” are “Anybody but the Tea Party.”

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 4:40 PM

They’re too busy working with the Santorum campaign to take on any new people.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 4:37 PM

loool :-)…+1000

jimver on February 28, 2012 at 4:41 PM

<blockquoteI think I just caused a hole in the space-time continuum – I actually like both Mitt and Sarah!

Is that wrong?

kjl291 on February 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Not at all. Good for you. Look, we all pizz and moan to
extremes in cyberspace….but at the end of the day does
anyone think that any of us are not going to be voting for
the R in November?? I’ve held my nose for years now….might
as well do it again.

ToddPA on February 28, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Well I’ve heard quite a few Mitt haters swear they will stay home, and BO getting re-elected will lead to some sort of victory, or something…

kjl291 on February 28, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Wrong. I’m a Tea Partier. I was refering to the Santorumites, who are mutually exclusive from Tea Partiers.
Look Polish on February 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Who gave you the right to purge the party?
Bill C on February 28, 2012 at 4:39 PM

I think s/he means that Tea Partiers most often aren’t all that obsessed with telling women to put an aspirin between their legs.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Wrong. I’m a Tea Partier. I was refering to the Santorumites, who are mutually exclusive from Tea Partiers.

Look Polish on February 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Who gave you the right to purge the party?

Bill C on February 28, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Its the new Romney fluffin’ nutball rant.

See Ann Coulter

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Midwesterner on February 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM

My bigger problem with Santorum is that he has let The Won set the agenda with his stupid mandate threat.

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 4:44 PM

How many people on this very site are saying Romney is too weak to win because he – and I quote – “won’t even call Obama a socialist,” or the like?

KingGold on February 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Good old straw men.

He’s too weak to win because he can’t even beat Santorum.

fossten on February 28, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Against Obama…

Romney: “It’s very easy to excite the base with incendiary comments”

Against a Republican…

“Republicans have to recognize there’s a real effort to kidnap our primary process,” he said.

Romney… Severely Progressive… Always…

Y314K on February 28, 2012 at 4:44 PM

I think I just caused a hole in the space-time continuum – I actually like both Mitt and Sarah!

Is that wrong?

kjl291 on February 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Nope, I got no major problems with Romney…except for some of his supporters.

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 4:44 PM

I suspect “the base”, as they define themselves, are quite small in number, and getting smaller by the day.

Paddington on February 28, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Look Polish on February 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM

How about we don’t hate anyone but promote small constitutionally based leadership, you know, conservatism? I guess it is just easier to insult with broad brush insults.

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 4:46 PM

So…any discussions of the things Romney actually says are off limits now? Got it. Now if only I can just get my brain to erase the memory of his $10,000 bet, his wife’s “couple of Cadillacs” and the amazing number of friends he has who coincidentally own NASCAR teams, I believe we’d be good to go. Well, except for all the flip flops, of course.

cynccook on February 28, 2012 at 3:56 PM

I’m quite sure that most owners of NASCAR teams are conservatives. What problem do you have with the fact that he knows some of them?

Gelsomina on February 28, 2012 at 4:46 PM

His campaign increasingly seems to be about the establishment and so-called “moderates” venting their hatred for the party base. If the Tea Party is ABR, the “moderates” are “Anybody but the Tea Party.”

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Excellent points, and I certainly agree with you. It appears that there is a civil war within the party.

You know who that helps?

kakypat on February 28, 2012 at 4:46 PM

No he hasn’t…

Newt has, Ricko has, Perry did, Michele did, even Paulenty way back when…

… but Mittens?

Seven Percent Solution on February 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Have you watched any of the debates? Heard his stump speech? It’s flat-out disingenuous, at best, to say Romney hasn’t gone after Obama. I guess he could call him names, question his birthplace, say he’s not *really* a Christian, etc, but there are other candidates for that sort of thing if that is what you’re after.

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Judging by posts on HOT GAS(err air) Romney is 100 percent correct about ‘red meat’ and the base.

lol

gerry-mittbot- likes briocche

gerrym51 on February 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Paddington on February 28, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Than Gov. Romney shouldn’t have suggested that they are a large part of the grassroots.

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Conservatives are evidently seeking perfection in response to some sort of Obama Derangement Syndrome. Buy a clue: there is no perfect candidate, not even Reagan would be good enough with this crowd.

ALL of the candidates have attributes and shortcomings. That said, Romney is being held to an impossible standard, mostly due to Romneycare, which wasn’t even on the political radar in 2008 – because no Obamacare existed then.

For all the doubters, the position Romney has on Romneycare is extremely well positioned for the general election – regardless of how the Supreme Court rules. The Dems cannot argue that the GOP candidate doesn’t care about health care. That is a big plus with downscale voters and independents. It will also help to retard the class warfare argument coming from Obama.

We are evidently proving that we are indeed the Stupid Party by keeping Santorum in this race. Santorum would be indeed a “gift from God” to Obama — unlikely he’d carry 10 states. Every day of the campaign he would be burdened with having to defend his asinine statements and policy positions on contraception, sex, abortion, reproductive rights — entirely on defense. Meanwhile, Obama would get a free ride on his disastrous record.

Either we want to win or we do not. If you want to win, nominate Romney. If you want to lose, nominate Santorum.

To those who compare Romney with McCain: WRONG AGAIN. Mitt Romney is not spending 6 years of his life, with all his material advantages, to roll over for Obama in the general. McCain wanted to be NOMINATED for president. Romney is determined to be ELECTED president.

matthew8787 on February 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Good old straw men.

He’s too weak to win because he can’t even beat Santorum.

fossten on February 28, 2012 at 4:44 PM

That wasn’t a straw man argument, he just asked a rhetorical question. If no one is saying what King Gold said then answer his question by saying that but don’t accuse him of employing a logical fallacy which he did not use.

alchemist19 on February 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM

What’s wrong with having a couple of Cadillacs? I drive a 12 year old car but I say more power to him.

Paddington on February 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM

The base just doesn’t like Romney, plain and simple.

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Because he continues to stand by Romneycare, people don’t trust him to hang onto the government being the answer to every question.

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 4:50 PM

You know who that helps?

kakypat on February 28, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Yup, I am fully aware. Unfortunately, I also think the intra-party conflict is unavoidable at this point. I no longer believe the party moderates will vote for Santorum, or for any other Tea Party candidate which might emerge, and Romney has done so much damage to himself that I no longer believe the party base will turn out for him.

If the factions making up the party are going to have a divorce, we might as well get it over with now rather than dragging it out and costing ourselves more elections down the road (assuming we haven’t gone bankrupt by 2016).

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 4:51 PM

What’s wrong with having a couple of Cadillacs? I drive a 12 year old car but I say more power to him.

the mans a gazillionaire and has 3 houses in 3 states. of course he’s going to have more than 1 car

gerrym51 on February 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Because he continues to stand by Romneycare, people don’t trust him to hang onto the government being the answer to every question.

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 4:50 PM

I have a recurring nightmare. It takes place in the general election debate on the topic of health care. Obama thanks Romney for laying the ground work for his signature legislation. And, Romney says, “you’re welcome.”

Not saying that Romneycare was a mistake is the worst thing he has done.

kakypat on February 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I think s/he means that Tea Partiers most often aren’t all that obsessed with telling women to put an aspirin between their legs.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 4:42 PM

It’s not what the Tea party is about but support for Santorum is not mutually exclusive of being a Tea partier.

Bill C on February 28, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Or… SMOD 2040…

Y314K on February 28, 2012 at 4:54 PM

McCain wanted to be NOMINATED for president. Romney is determined to be ELECTED president.

matthew8787 on February 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Incorrect.

Romney does not even show the necessary skill-set to be nominated, much less win the general election.

Just wasting money on a futile quest for the presidenty is not synonymous with focused intent. Perot wasted money on the same goal, with an obvious lack of intent and purpose.

Norwegian on February 28, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Because you mentioned Dems voting for Santorum.

If they do, whatever their motivation, Mitt is hoist with his own petard.

INC on February 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM

really, how about this below:

‘In stark contrast to his campaign’s more recent courtship of Democrats, in January Santorum told Democrats that if they wanted to vote for a Republican, they should switch their party affiliation.

“It’s the Republican nomination, not the independent nomination or the Democratic nomination,” he said on the call. “If you’re a Democrat and you want to be a Democrat, then vote in the Democratic primary, not the Republican. If you want to vote in the Republican Party then become one.”

jimver on February 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Yup, I am fully aware. Unfortunately, I also think the intra-party conflict is unavoidable at this point. I no longer believe the party moderates will vote for Santorum, or for any other Tea Party candidate which might emerge, and Romney has done so much damage to himself that I no longer believe the party base will turn out for him.

If the factions making up the party are going to have a divorce, we might as well get it over with now rather than dragging it out and costing ourselves more elections down the road (assuming we haven’t gone bankrupt by 2016).

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 4:51 PM

The possibility of Obama having four more years is why I’ve been trying so hard to be able to vote for Romney should he win the nomination. But, I guess it might just be postponing the inevitable. After Bush ’41 in ’92, Dole and, especially, McCain, I don’t think we can keep going down this road. Heck…I don’t WANT to keep going down this road!

kakypat on February 28, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Or… SMOD 2040…

Y314K on February 28, 2012 at 4:54 PM

I agree, time for the SMOD party! Lawn Gnome Reagan is so old hat!

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM

I understand what you mean. I think that now when someone refers to “the base” they mean the far-right. And the far-right considers themselves the base. Maybe Romney shouldn’t have said that. It doesn’t bother me, though.

Paddington on February 28, 2012 at 5:00 PM

How about we don’t hate anyone but promote small constitutionally based leadership, you know, conservatism? I guess it is just easier to insult with broad brush insults.

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 4:46 PM

I don’t mean to insult. I am all about limited government, both fiscally AND socially. What gets to me is being called a RINO by supporters of candidates who are big government oriented in both areas.

Look Polish on February 28, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Really, you’ve seen this statement or ones like it a lot here? You should be covering the Tea Party for the MSM.

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 3:56 PM

What I’ve seen a lot is that Romney can’t win because he doesn’t attack Obama. He just says that Obama is incompetent, and that’s not enough. What would be enough? To call him evil?

Gelsomina on February 28, 2012 at 5:02 PM

the mans a gazillionaire and has 3 houses in 3 states. of course he’s going to have more than 1 car

gerrym51 on February 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Are you saying that it’s a bad thing? I couldn’t tell.

Paddington on February 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM

I think s/he means that Tea Partiers most often aren’t all that obsessed with telling women to put an aspirin between their legs.
whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 4:42 PM

It’s not what the Tea party is about but support for Santorum is not mutually exclusive of being a Tea partier.
Bill C on February 28, 2012 at 4:54 PM

I believe most Tea folks are more into economics and government intrusion, having a small-l libertarian/personal freedom & responsibility take on political matters. e.g. if they are pro-life, there not happy with Santorum’s vote to fund Planned Parenthood on a monetary basis in addition to lack of morality involved in funding that organization.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM

I have a recurring nightmare. It takes place in the general election debate on the topic of health care. Obama thanks Romney for laying the ground work for his signature legislation. And, Romney says, “you’re welcome.”

Not saying that Romneycare was a mistake is the worst thing he has done.

kakypat on February 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM

And what would such an admission change, exactly?

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM

I believe most Tea folks are more into economics and government intrusion, having a small-l libertarian/personal freedom & responsibility take on political matters. e.g. if they are pro-life, there not happy with Santorum’s vote to fund Planned Parenthood on a monetary basis in addition to lack of morality involved in funding that organization.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM

True, but that doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that Mitt Romney is a gaffe-machine RINO.

Bill C on February 28, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Aitch748 on February 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Amen! Oh, is the incendiary?

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Have you watched any of the debates? Heard his stump speech?
changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Yes I have…

… and if that is going after Obowma, all is lost.

This country is in serious, serious trouble…

… Who ever is the GOP nominee, they will have to have the intestinal fortitude to go after Obowma with everything they have.

They will be up against the entire Democrat machine, the Media, the Unions, Hollywood, and every leftist special interest group under the sun…

“Playing Nice” is not going to do it!

Seven Percent Solution on February 28, 2012 at 5:08 PM

jimver on February 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM

That wasn’t in your original comment.

My point was that if Romney hadn’t pushed to make Dem votes available in MI, then there wouldn’t have been any Dem votes possible for Santorum.

INC on February 28, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Are you saying that it’s a bad thing? I couldn’t tell.

I meant it’s an obvious thing

gerrym51 on February 28, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Gelsomina on February 28, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Incompetent doesn’t quite do Obama justice. The food stamp president is quite good at what he does.

mike_NC9 on February 28, 2012 at 5:09 PM

…any Dem votes possible for Santorum–left out:–in MI.

INC on February 28, 2012 at 5:10 PM

I agree, time for the SMOD party! Lawn Gnome Reagan is so old hat!
Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 5:00 PM

As I said before, SMOD won’t do it. You’d need SOAD (asteroid). SMOD would only supply a millisecond of light before it burns out. i.e. a meteor is pretty small – ones bigger than a man’s hand are rare.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Laura Ingraham: Mitt Romney, by the way, is saying that your calls in Michigan are — they’re not fair, he’s not questioning that you’re playing with the other team. You’re playing with the Democrats and that the Michigan primary should be determined by Republicans, not Democrats.

Rick Santorum: Oh, I see. In New Hampshire, when 53% of the people who voted in the primary weren’t Republicans and he went out and encouraged those people to vote, that’s okay. But when we go to some of the key states in this country where we’re going to need Reagan Democrats to come and vote for us and I come and do a call that says, ‘Because Rick Santorum is going to create jobs and opportunities here, come out and support Rick Santorum just like we hope you’ll do in the general election.’ That somehow is bad. The voters that are going to be necessary for us to win that he says he can attract, we’re actually attracting them and doing it well. These are exactly the voters that we need to attract to win this election in November.

And by the way, Governor Romney has repeatedly in every state using my voice where I was on your program, mind you, talking about him as a conservative and saying, ‘Here’s what Rick Santorum has to do about Governor Romney.’ Now, if that is okay to use something from four years ago when I said that Mitt Romney is a conservative, but for me to say, ‘Here’s what I stand for. Come out and vote for us in the primary.’ That’s a bad thing.

“Have you heard me whine about it?” Rick Santorum said about the robocalls Romney put out against him in other primary states.

He’s got a point, Mitt.

WisRich on February 28, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Right, we all see what we want to see.

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 4:02 PM

In this thread alone you see lots of them.

A while ago Jay Nordlinger said, If you slash and shout, many people think of you as “conservative” or “right-wing.” If you say right-wing things in a calm, polite way, you may be seen as a moderate.

I agree completely.

Gelsomina on February 28, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Look Polish on February 28, 2012 at 5:01 PM

That must be where I differ, I’m not a big fan of being considered a Republican. For me they are just a vehicle, the lesser of two evils. They are not the party of Reagan, they just tolerated him and now pay lip service without promoting a single part of his vision. Add to that that the opinion of anonymous comments on a blog are hardly likely to make much of an impact on my life. When I talk of this incident, it is strictly on the basis an observer of a really poor campaign. I will vote against Obama.

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2012 at 5:16 PM

I believe most Tea folks are more into economics and government intrusion, having a small-l libertarian/personal freedom & responsibility take on political matters. e.g. if they are pro-life, there not happy with Santorum’s vote to fund Planned Parenthood on a monetary basis in addition to lack of morality involved in funding that organization.
whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM

True, but that doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that Mitt Romney is a gaffe-machine RINO.
Bill C on February 28, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Meh, it’s not exactly a great task to find or cite stupid things that candidates say. Just recently we endured the spectacle of a candidate trying to clear up his views on Satan, for example.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 5:18 PM

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