PPP: Santorum up by 10 among election-day voters in MI

posted at 8:40 am on February 28, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

How close will tonight’s contests in Arizona and Michigan be?  The Arizona primary looks so much like a blowout for Mitt Romney that the Arizona Republic didn’t bother to write a front-page story about it, only offering a not about checking the paper’s website for election results later tonight.  Michigan will be the battleground tonight, and Public Policy Polling says that Rick Santorum may have recaptured the momentum over the weekend — but with a twist:

It’s always good to be cautious with one night poll numbers, but momentum seems to be swinging in Santorum’s direction. Romney led with those interviewed on Sunday, but Santorum has a 39-34 advantage with folks polled on Monday. The best sign that things have gone back toward Santorum might be that with those polled today who hadn’t already voted, Santorum’s advantage was 41-31.

Much has been made of Democratic efforts to turn out the vote for Santorum and we see evidence that’s actually happening. Romney leads with actual Republican voters, 43-38. But Santorum’s up 47-10 with Democratic voters, and even though they’re only 8% of the likely electorate that’s enough to put him over the top. The big question now is whether those folks will actually bother to show up and vote tomorrow.

It’s not all due to Operation Chaos, or Insanity, or whatever it’s called.  Romney may have booted Michigan over the weekend:

Romney hasn’t made a good last impression on Michigan voters. His favorability in Sunday interviews was 57/36, but in Monday interviews it was only 47/48. Santorum saw little difference in his reviews between the two days: 54/39 on Sunday and 56/36 on Monday. If Romney does indeed end up losing tomorrow there’s not much doubt he will have blown it in the final 48 hours.

It might also be that Santorum has been emphasizing economics the last few days in Michigan.  He took to the pages of the Wall Street Journal to compare tax plans.  Santorum borrowed Newt Gingrich’s criticism that Romney only wants to tinker around the edges, and added a swipe at Romney’s “last-minute conversion” to tax reform as well as repeating the accusation of Romney being an “Occupy Wall Street” candidate:

Meanwhile, my opponent in the Republican primaries, Mitt Romney, had a last-minute conversion. Attempting to distract from his record of tax and fee increases as governor of Massachusetts, poor job creation, and aggressive pursuit of earmarks, he now says he wants to follow my lead and lower individual as well as corporate marginal tax rates.

It’s a good start. But it doesn’t go nearly far enough. He says his proposed tax cuts would be revenue neutral and, borrowing the language of Occupy Wall Street, promises the top 1% will pay for the cuts. No pro-growth tax policy there, just more Obama-style class warfare.

Will this be enough to carry Michigan over the lead Romney presumably has built in early voting?  Having a ten-point advantage on Election Day would be significant if it remains, especially since only 17% of PPP’s sample say they have voted early — but Romney has a 27-point lead among them, 56/29.  Assuming that the Monday-only numbers and the early voting figures from PPP are accurate and predictive, a turnout like the one in 2008 would result in a narrow victory for Santorum, 38.9% to 35.2%.  That would produce a nearly even split in delagates, but give Santorum a boost heading into Super Tuesday.  If he can’t close the deal in Michigan, then next week will be a very tough sell.


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Politics is a tough game – Santorum is certainly well within his rights to do whatever he feels is necessary to try and win.

The only real story here is the absolute, complete debunking of the myth that Democrats want to face Romney in the general.

gotsig on February 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM

If Romney is going to win the nomination, he’s going to have to step up his game. His approach to opponents, carpet-bombing the hell out of them with 10-to-1 spending on ads, is losing its effectiveness.

No, not at all. Romney is doing fine. Santorum is doing fine with Dim-o-crats who will never vote for him in the general but are happy to help set him up for a big fall during the primaries.

His disturbingly more frequent off-the-cuff gaffes are hardening into a narrative of an out-of-touch elitist (he’s one tank ride away from cementing it).

Again, wishful thinking on your part.

His occasional leftward tilts don’t help either (indexing the minimum wage, cutting taxes but spanking the upper earners with fewer deductions).

For you Romney supporters: Does he have what it takes to make a midcourse correction?

EMD on February 28, 2012 at 9:27 AM

It’s a long campaign and if adjustments need to be made he will make them. But your premise is off-base to begin with. The only thing he’s not doing right now is pandering to Daily Kos Dim-o-crats. That is apparently Santorum’s strategy. And they’re happy to oblige him…for now. Ask yourself why.

cicerone on February 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM

I linked it for them yesterday angrymike ;) I was on a sex robot binge

DHChron on February 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM

The only real story here is the absolute, complete debunking of the myth that Democrats want to face Romney in the general.

gotsig on February 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Absolutely correct.

cicerone on February 28, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Hang in there Rick. (hat tip to 7%)

WisRich on February 28, 2012 at 9:36 AM

The only real story here is the absolute, complete debunking of the myth that Democrats want to face Romney in the general.
gotsig on February 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Indeed, the takeaway is quite clear when you have the Obama Democrat machine (working in tandem with Santorum) pulling out all the stops to prevent Romney from being nominated.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 9:37 AM

DHChron
be careful it might get addicting. That was funny though!

angrymike on February 28, 2012 at 9:38 AM

By slamming those who opposed the auto-bailout? He’s saying that opposing the auto-bailout is slapping workers in the face or something. He’s running an union democrat campaign at this point.

joana on February 28, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Do you ever stop the proliferation of false information? You seem to enjoy the idea of destroying a man at all costs.

PuritanD71 on February 28, 2012 at 9:28 AM

That’s not false information. http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/27/dem-strategists-robocall-to-michigan-dems-get-out-there-tomorrow-and-vote-for-rick-santorum/

Syzygy on February 28, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Democrats also believe that the government should provide a cradle-to-grave security blanket life for every person. Does that make them right (no pun intended)?

VibrioCocci on February 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM

No, they are in grave error on that issue. But that’s an ideological matter. Propping up Santorum in the primaries in order to clobber him in the general is a practical matter. They don’t want to face Romney.

cicerone on February 28, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Obama is praying hard for Rick.

And will be preying hard for him.

The easy loser in the general.

Go Dem chaos voters!

Re-elect Obama!

profitsbeard on February 28, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Did Santorum vote for Title X? Yes. The Paul ad is fact. Santorum trying to roll back history does not negate the fact he voted in favor of Title X. Even santorum admits he voted for it.

Zaggs on February 28, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Exactly. Santorum could have done a very simple thing, he could have voted “no” on the omnibus bill, because it contained legislation that violated his moral convictions. That’s what Paul would have done; in fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dr. No didn’t vote against the House version of the same bill. That’s the difference between the two men. Paul slips earmarks that favor his constituents into bills that he opposes knowing that they will pass; Santorum votes for bills that include things that he knows are objectionable, and are an offense in the eyes of God, because he is taking one for the team or something.

At least the egregious Bart Stupack held out for a worthless Executive Order before he forever soiled himself by voting for Obamacare.

Mr. Arkadin on February 28, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Sorry neocons but it looks like Rick “Sweater-vest” Santorum polls behind Obama unlike Paul or Romney.

MoreLiberty on February 28, 2012 at 9:33 AM

As the resident Neoconservative, I can safely say former Senator Santorum is not one of us. My Illuminati Masters (TM) disclaim Santorum entirely, although they can’t help but feel a certain grudging admiration for the diabolical flair he’s been displaying lately. I mean, wow, calling up Democrats and encouraging them to vote in a Republican primary. We give him points for evil initiative.

troyriser_gopftw on February 28, 2012 at 9:42 AM

You just never know who’s going to win until the game is over. But I’ve always been very suspicious of PPP. They did some polling for Daily Kos a few years ago that was so bad that DK actuall sued PPP after the elections. That was my first impression of PPP and you know what they say about first impressions.

Regardless, is this even believable?

Romney hasn’t made a good last impression on Michigan voters. His favorability in Sunday interviews was 57/36, but in Monday interviews it was only 47/48. Santorum saw little difference in his reviews between the two days: 54/39 on Sunday and 56/36 on Monday. If Romney does indeed end up losing tomorrow there’s not much doubt he will have blown it in the final 48 hours.

A 10 point swing in one single day, with no specific event that would have catalyzed the voting public. You never know until the votes are counted, but I’m deeply suspicious.

rogaineguy on February 28, 2012 at 9:43 AM

That’s not false information. http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/27/dem-strategists-robocall-to-michigan-dems-get-out-there-tomorrow-and-vote-for-rick-santorum/

Syzygy on February 28, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Correct, not only is Santorum laboring with Obama against Romney via dirty tricks, he follows up that dishonesty with even more dishonesty:

“You talk about chutzpah: here’s Santorum who’s just as opposed to the bailout as Romney is, but he’s putting out robocalls to Democrats urging them to crossover and vote in the Republican for Santorum”

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 9:44 AM

the absolute, complete debunking of the myth that Democrats want to face Romney in the general.

What do Democrats know? And which group of Democrats are you talking about? Democrats may inadvertently support the best Republican candidate, in retrospect. Or the worst. And not everywhere at the same time.

Nobody knows what’s going to happen. Armchair pundits may be wrong as much they are right. As Yogi Berra said, “Making predictions is hard, especially about the future.”

One thing for sure: I’m not supporting Willard.

Voting for Willard is like going to work for Mr. Potter.

Emperor Norton on February 28, 2012 at 9:45 AM

I might quit this site if this radical wins.

liberal4life on February 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM

OMG! OMG! EVERYONE! PLEASE VOTE FOR ROMNEY! OMG!

NotCoach on February 28, 2012 at 9:46 AM

“can we move this guy to another cell please!”

-sex robot

DHChron on February 28, 2012 at 9:47 AM

The only real story here is the absolute, complete debunking of the myth that Democrats want to face Romney in the general.

gotsig on February 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Very true. If I were a Democrat, I might even be thanking God for Santorum.

Priscilla on February 28, 2012 at 9:48 AM

I thought voting multiple times for a candidate was strictly a Chicago thing. Do you also endure the occasional zombie apocalypse as the dead rise from the grave and swarm the polls in election years?

troyriser_gopftw on February 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Nope..we have cases of the walking dead around here as well. Most are appointed with the newest swag from the store at BarackObama.com

I linked it for them yesterday angrymike ;) I was on a sex robot binge

DHChron on February 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM

LOL…that bot had some good moves…but didn’t care for the ending.

HumpBot Salvation on February 28, 2012 at 9:48 AM

You know, despite all the times Romney has said he wants Obamacare repealed, that a president Romney won’t get rid of it?

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM

I just don’t believe him. At the absolute best, I think we might get a bill tinkering with parts of Obamacare, but no more than that. He’s just too protective of Romneycare for me to believe that he will do anything to repeal Obamacare.

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 9:48 AM

A 10 point swing in one single day, with no specific event that would have catalyzed the voting public. You never know until the votes are counted, but I’m deeply suspicious.

rogaineguy on February 28, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Yeah, I don’t quite understand that myself. But, it’s not only Santy attacking him in MI…Obama surrogates have also joined in.

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 9:49 AM

But I’ve always been very suspicious of PPP. They did some polling for Daily Kos a few years ago that was so bad that DK actuall sued PPP after the elections.
rogaineguy on February 28, 2012 at 9:43 AM

I believe you’re thinking of “Research 2000″ there, not PPP. Although you’re correct in that PPP – like the now-definct R2K – is a lefty-Kos outfit and that ten point swings in one day should be taken with many grains of salt.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM

The Romney angst in this thread is like sweet, sweet nectar. Mmmmm, Romney nectar.

Having said that, I am not a fan of Santorum’s auto bailout tactic. Oh well. Politicians pander.

NotCoach on February 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM

A 10 point swing in one single day, with no specific event that would have catalyzed the voting public.

The specific event was the Willard function held at a nearly-empty stadium.

Emperor Norton on February 28, 2012 at 9:52 AM

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 9:44 AM

What you and I guess your favorite canidate fail realize is politics is not tag. It is a cage match where anything goes. Mitt sounds a little “boy who cried wolf” with constantly saying something is “new low”.

rik on February 28, 2012 at 9:52 AM

By slamming those who opposed the auto-bailout? He’s saying that opposing the auto-bailout is slapping workers in the face or something. He’s running an union democrat campaign at this point.

And Romney needs by a big margin among voters who say they prioritize the economy .

The pro-Santorum spin Ed uses is becoming sort of creepy. Fanaticism is never pretty to see.

joana on February 28, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Do you ever stop the proliferation of false information? You seem to enjoy the idea of destroying a man at all costs. Before you continue this leap, check out Romney one more time without your rose-color glasses.

PuritanD71 on February 28, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Nothing I wrote is false. That’s why you quickly went into personal attacks instead of explaining what was false and why. I was against Romney before you were. I never called Romney a conservative. I never donated to him. Your strawman is ridiculous.

joana on February 28, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Yeah, I don’t quite understand that myself. But, it’s not only Santy attacking him in MI…Obama surrogates have also joined in.

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 9:49 AM

I can think of three possible reasons.

1. The bad debate and the blast of attacks earlier in the week didn’t damage Santorum enough and he is now bouncing back.

2. Romney made some gaffe or other other misstep which undid all his careful work over the last week.

3. The “Not Romneys” have finally decided to hold the line with Santorum.

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 9:54 AM

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 9:44 AM

What you and I guess your favorite canidate fail realize is politics is not tag. It is a cage match where anything goes. Mitt sounds a little “boy who cried wolf” with constantly saying something is “new low”.
rik on February 28, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Have no idea what you’re trying to defend there, sorry.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Regardless of the outcome in MI, I think we are going to see a Stop Santorum-type of reaction from the other 3 campaigns, particularly now that he shown that he will try to win with a pro-Big Union message. Gingrich should benefit most. I’m definitely taking a second look at ol’ Newt :)

Priscilla on February 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM

LOL…that bot had some good moves…but didn’t care for the ending.

HumpBot Salvation on February 28, 2012 at 9:48 AM

hehehehe…what did we learn here today?

DHChron on February 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Just copied from FoxNews comments:

I am asking every Michigan democrat, every working poor person, every middle class person who likes Obama, to help Obama this fall and come and vote in Michigan primairy and vote for anyone but Romney, so that Obama can run against one of these Conservatives who hate the middle class and the poor, and muck up the election for Romney.

I would LOVE to see a so called “True Conservative” in a debate with Obama this fall because once and for all, we will see how these extremist conservatives operate.

The GOP does not want a “True Conservative” in a debate because they know once they get on the national stage they will totally em barass Republicans for what they truly are – the party of the rich and corporate america.

The GOP is scared to death about the idea of someone like Gingrich or Santorum debating Obama in the fall.

So help Obama and vote in today’s election for anyone but Romney, and don’t worry, you can vote for Obama in November as per Michigan Law.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/27/in-heated-michigan-race-romneys-hometown-appeal-just-may-work/#comment#ixzz1nglMiTS6

Vote for Santorum = Vote for Obama. Pick your poison.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 9:48 AM

That’s more like it. Not over the top goofiness that you started with, and more likely to sway folks.

I don’t agree, but that’s just me.

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Any vote for Santorum is a vote for Obama.

Obama would destroy Santorum in November. Wake up, Michigan.

(snip)

matthew8787 on February 28, 2012 at 8:55 AM

The idea, in my mind anyhow, is to keep Willard from getting the nod. That’s the only reason I voted for Saint Rick.
Trust me, Mittens has píssed off so many people here in Michigan, I suspect that the polls are missing the “ick” factor. Our problem is an open election.
(btw, the box on the reg. form: “are you an American citizen?” still infuriates me)

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on February 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Nothing I wrote is false.
joana on February 28, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Yup. In Santorum’s robocalls, where he’s playing to the unions, he does indeed dishonestly attack Romney for Romney’s stance against the auto-industry bailouts.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM

NotCoach on February 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM

did you just ask for some sweet sweet Romney Nectar? That takes berries…nice

DHChron on February 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM

The Rominator also has to fend of Democrat voters as well??
The more the merrier !
But you are kidding yourself if you think Michigan goes R in November- with or without a bailout.

FlaMurph on February 28, 2012 at 10:01 AM

What exactly are Santy’s qualifications for the job, outside of the minimal Constitutional ones? He doesn’t have any substantial private sector experience to speak of…he’s not governed before, and he’s not led anything otherwise that I’m aware of.

I understand the true con crowd is just lurching toward one NotRomney after another, but we’re scraping the bottom of the barrel here. Just weeks ago, Santy was nothing but an afterthought, not taken seriously as presidential material. Seems to me that the desire to stop Romney is blinding people to the fact that Santy has done squat to show he’s actually up to the job. “Articulating conservatism”, or at least his brand of it, does not a decent leader make.

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Just copied from FoxNews comments
Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Are you sure you didn’t lift that from HA comments?

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 10:02 AM

This action by Rick Santorum is disgusting. For him not to be bright enough to understand that this is not in the best interest of the Republicans and this country, and that Democrats are only doing this because they realize Obama facing him would be a cakewalk is really unforgivable.

Hopefully Republicans in Michigan are smart enough to do the right thing today (and lets face it PPP is a joke that makes up polls that are favorable to Obama), but I am not holding my breath.

milcus on February 28, 2012 at 10:03 AM

did you just ask for some sweet sweet Romney Nectar? That takes berries…nice

DHChron on February 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Wait…on second thought my post sounds awful :O

NotCoach on February 28, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Doomberg on February 28, 2012 at 9:54 AM

4. The obama big union wants an easy win against Santy.

rich801 on February 28, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Santorum is not doing anything that Romney wouldn’t do if he (Romney) could convince Democrats to help him.

RBMN on February 28, 2012 at 9:14 AM

I thought the goal was to appeal to those moderate/independent/ Democrat voters. I heard the robocall, when did it become wrong to remind Michigan voters that Romney was against the bailout of the UAW pension funds? Granted, Santorum doesn’t mention he was also against it (though less vocally) but I don’t see anything wrong with what Santorum’s campaign did.

The fact of the matter is that Mitt Romney is a clone of Obama. The establishment GOP has attempted to push Romney on the right. The establishment rats have decided to stick with the worst President in our history. Santorum is using the Michigan primaries as a teaching moment that shows moderate Democrats they don’t have to listen to their unions and vote for the jug-eared idiot.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Santy’s qualifications…

He doesn’t…

he’s not governed…

he’s not led…

true con crowd is just lurching…

Santy was nothing but an afterthought…

not taken seriously as presidential material…

Santy has done squat…

not a decent leader…

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 10:02 AM

And you wonder why people think you are a nutball.

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 10:07 AM

To Romney supporters who are complaining bitterly about Santorum’s robocalls to Dems to vote in Rep. primary: Why was it ok for Romney to vote in a Dem primary in Massachusetts to affect the outcome but it is not okay for Santorum to do this?

txmomof6 on February 28, 2012 at 10:08 AM

This action by Rick Santorum is disgusting. For him not to be bright enough to understand that this is not in the best interest of the Republicans and this country, and that Democrats are only doing this because they realize Obama facing him would be a cakewalk is really unforgivable.

milcus on February 28, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Mucus,

You’re going have to explain why this action is “disgusting” and Romney dropping millions in negative advertising is not. And, for the record, Santorum isn’t as unelectable as you claim and Romney is not as electable as you would like us to believe.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Santorum is using the Michigan primaries as a teaching moment that shows moderate Democrats they don’t have to listen to their unions and vote for the jug-eared idiot.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Yeah, and he’s doing that by parroting unions talking points explaining how evil are those republican capitalists who opposed bailouts.

He’s not even appealing to Reagan Democrats/ConservaDems.

The majority of the Democrats are liberal or very liberal. Only 20% are conservative or somewhat conservative:

@ForecasterEnten 27% very liberal, 24% somewhat liberal, 28% moderate, 16% somewhat conservative, 6% very conservative

joana on February 28, 2012 at 10:09 AM

St. Scrotum is a cretin. His “Romney and Paul are conspiring against me” rant didn’t gain him a single vote but put a large number of people like me – excited with Ron Paul’s economic program but disgusted with his foreign policy – squarely into Romney’s column. Keep up good work, champ.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:09 AM

What exactly are Santy’s qualifications for the job, outside of the minimal Constitutional ones? He doesn’t have any substantial private sector experience to speak of…he’s not governed before, and he’s not led anything otherwise that I’m aware of.

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Among other things he spent three times the amount of time our jug-eared idiot spent in the United States Senate.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Seems to me that the desire to stop Romney is blinding people to the fact that Santy has done squat to show he’s actually up to the job. “Articulating conservatism”, or at least his brand of it, does not a decent leader make.

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Santorum is not the best person to be the GOP nominee in the abstract. However, of those still in running he is the best, IMHO. Certainly he is better than RomneyCare.

txmomof6 on February 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Santorum up 10? Wow, his robocall to Dems in which he blasts Romney for opposing the auto bailouts is really paying off!

EddieC on February 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM

St. Scrotum is a cretin.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:09 AM

And you lick it up.

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 10:12 AM


“… the real lesson for Republicans in this scenario is that Santorum would be proving that they have become so dependent on ignorant voters that, unless they broaden their message to sentient human beings, their days are numbered.”

So true. So sad, but so true.

mountainaires on February 28, 2012 at 10:12 AM

St. Scrotum is a cretin. His “Romney and Paul are conspiring against me” rant didn’t gain him a single vote but put a large number of people like me – excited with Ron Paul’s economic program but disgusted with his foreign policy – squarely into Romney’s column. Keep up good work, champ.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:09 AM

I didn’t think I could fit squarely into mitten’s circle, it’s not comfortable in here *sad face*

DHChron on February 28, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Among other things he spent three times the amount of time our jug-eared idiot spent in the United States Senate.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Yeps, he’s an Washington insider and career politician. Heck, he was the leader of the K-Street project.

Care to explain why is that a good thing?

joana on February 28, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Karl: way to go. Your vote for Santorum just helped re-elect Obama. Take a bow.

To all Santorum supporters: we will destroy you in Ohio and beyond for this despicable, overt tactic of having union goons and leftists give him an artificial lift – regardless of what happens tonight.

matthew8787 on February 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM

There should not be open primaries.
That is why we have the general election candidates we do.

KOOLAID2 on February 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM

And you lick it up.

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 10:12 AM

I argued my point; you just insulted me for no reason. If all Santorum supporters are like that, I’ll rather vote for Obama.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Santorum will eek out a popular win vote tonite, basically because he’s more likeable than Mitt. Calm down Mittbots. The delegates were going to be split anyway and your man will still be ahead, but embarrassed. It’s tail-tucking time for him.

gracie on February 28, 2012 at 10:16 AM

I didn’t think I could fit squarely into mitten’s circle, it’s not comfortable in here *sad face*

DHChron on February 28, 2012 at 10:13 AM

A choice between Mitt is SMOD is tough. Mitt and Santorum, on the other hand, is clear as day.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:17 AM

ha ha ha. poor little mittens doesn’t like something.

GhoulAid on February 28, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Why was it ok for Romney to vote in a Dem primary in Massachusetts to affect the outcome but it is not okay for Santorum to do this?
txmomof6 on February 28, 2012 at 10:08 AM

You got an apple trying to pass it off as an orange there. How an individual votes of his own volition in the privacy of the voting booth is a whole nother animal from working in cahoots with an opposition party to sabotage the results of his own party’s primary elections.

If Romney had joined with Obama to try to dishonestly, immorally and unethically throw Republican primaries as Santorum is doing, then shame and scorn should be heaped on him. But as it is, that M.O. is a singular dishonor that Santorum has to bear.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 10:18 AM

To all Santorum supporters: we will destroy you in Ohio and beyond for this despicable, overt tactic of having union goons and leftists give him an artificial lift – regardless of what happens tonight.
matthew8787 on February 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Wrong. The Buckeyes luv Santorum. He’ll beat Mitt by 5 points there.

gracie on February 28, 2012 at 10:19 AM

argued my point; you just insulted me for no reason. If all Santorum supporters are like that, I’ll rather vote for Obama.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM

I figure you are going to vote for Obama any way. And, I ain’t a Santorum supporter.

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 10:19 AM

To Romney supporters who are complaining bitterly about Santorum’s robocalls to Dems to vote in Rep. primary: Why was it ok for Romney to vote in a Dem primary in Massachusetts to affect the outcome but it is not okay for Santorum to do this?

Rick Santorum cast a vote in Pennsylvania for Arlen Specter–a liberal, pro-choice Republican, who eventually went over to the Democratic Party. Conservatives are still outraged about Santo’s vote for Specter, but no one cares about Ronney’s vote since Tsongas lost.

Santorum made a robocall in Michigan urging Democrats to register and vote for him, an act which basically supports crossover voters to hurt a fellow Republican. This is more than just a vote; it’s a campaign, and it’s supporting a DailyKos campaign in Michigan to do the same.

So, the difference between a vote, and a voting campaign, is basically pretty clear in my view.

But if you think Santorum’s vote for pro-choice liberal Arlen Specter was okay, then you can’t have a problem with Mitt Romney’s vote for Paul Tsongas.

mountainaires on February 28, 2012 at 10:20 AM

I argued my point; you just insulted me for no reason. If all Santorum supporters are like that, I’ll rather vote for Obama.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM

What I threw back at you was mild compared to your nutball ranting.

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Meanwhile, Mitchell/Rosetta Stone shows a swing toward Romney:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/Mitchell_RosettaStone_MI_0228.pdf

Yeah, I know: who the hell is Mitchell/Rosetta Stone? But wasn’t PPP off significantly in Colorado? Maybe I’m wrong.

bobs1196 on February 28, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Speaking of polls. It appears to me they are accurate when theres a large gap or swing.

My examples. when South Carolina started to turn for Newt after his big debate performance I pooh poohed the first poll that started going for him but then they all did and by substantial margins.

then the exact same thing in Florida only for Romney the next week.

The problem with Michigan is that it is too close. if you look at several polls they are never outside their margin of error.
thats why their seems to be momentum shifts back and forth on consecutive days. if you have 3 with one candidate up by 2 and 3 with the other candidate up by 2-it is too close to call

gerrym51 on February 28, 2012 at 10:21 AM

I figure you are going to vote for Obama any way. And, I ain’t a Santorum supporter.

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 10:19 AM

I’ve posted my position before. Santorum has a few redeeming points, namely immigration and 2nd Amendment. If he is nominated, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt – right up to the moment when he starts hispandering or softening on gun rights. Then I’ll bolt to Obama. I value my religious freedom much higher than I do my wallet.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:21 AM

St. Scrotum is a cretin. His “Romney and Paul are conspiring against me” rant didn’t gain him a single vote but put a large number of people like me – excited with Ron Paul’s economic program but disgusted with his foreign policy – squarely into Romney’s column. Keep up good work, champ.
Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:09 AM

And the irony with his conspiracy theories is that it turns out Santorum is the one who is deep in the dirty tricks – in cahoots with the Democrats.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 10:22 AM

If Archivarix is a nutball, I must be a raving effin’ lunatic.

Dissent? yay? :(

DHChron on February 28, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Gracie, wait and see. There is going to be a HUGE backlash againt Santorum for his despicable tactics. Romney and every Republican in this country is going to destroy Santorum, and he deserves it.

Have your fun today, hangover starts tomorrow.

Santorum is a LOSER and we are going to make that clear in Ohio and beyond.

matthew8787 on February 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM

And you wonder why people think you are a nutball.

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Oh look, more namecalling. If you can’t be bothered with a substantive reply, don’t bother at all.

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM

You guys crack me up. Actually, I’m not sure whether to laugh or cry. The invective spewed by all of you is despicable.

I used to look forward to the end of primary season and the nomination of a candidate (any candidate) for the GOP, because I thought it might end then.

But I realized that the selection won’t change anything. All of the same people will still be having the same argument–it will just be more consistent.

We’re sure to lose in November–no matter who we nominate.

(Ooh–I almost forgot–d-bag, moron, idiot, stupid-stupid loser!!!)

RedCrow on February 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Yeah, I know: who the hell is Mitchell/Rosetta Stone? But wasn’t PPP off significantly in Colorado? Maybe I’m wrong.

they are a polling firm in michigan. In other states we accept the local pollinh firms.

my example in Iowa we accepted the des moine register poll done in state. why not mitchell/rosetta.

however its still too close to call

gerrym51 on February 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM

If Archivarix is a nutball, I must be a raving effin’ lunatic.

Dissent? yay? :(

DHChron on February 28, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Nah, you haven’t been that goofy.

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Dissent? yay? :(

DHChron on February 28, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Deviation from the dogma is not allowed. Stakes and bonfires are being prepared as we type.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Oh look, more namecalling. If you can’t be bothered with a substantive reply, don’t bother at all.

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM

But you’re so cute when you make stuff up.

cozmo on February 28, 2012 at 10:25 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Policy_Polling

Well….it just seems a little bizarre to see Hot Air touting PPP polls. But then again, in terms of propaganda value, I guess you go with your best weapon. Consider yourselves propagandized, people.

mountainaires on February 28, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Santorum up 10? Wow, his robocall to Dems in which he blasts Romney for opposing the auto bailouts is really paying off!

EddieC on February 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Yeah, well, I vehemently opposed the auto bailouts and assumed–wrongly, as it turns out–that opposition to those bailouts was the typical conservative position. Turns out politicians who call themselves conservatives can oppose the bailouts and then enjoin Democrats to raid Republican primaries on the basis of their support for bailouts–and still remain the darling of conservative voters. Who knew?

troyriser_gopftw on February 28, 2012 at 10:26 AM

This action by Rick Santorum is disgusting. For him not to be bright enough to understand that this is not in the best interest of the Republicans and this country, and that Democrats are only doing this because they realize Obama facing him would be a cakewalk is really unforgivable.

(snip)

milcus on February 28, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Everyone knows that Saint Rick would lose to Ø’Bumbler in a landslide, but so will Mittens because Conservatives like me will never vote for him. I’d sooner go with the Libertarians. Face facts, none of the candidates are ideal, so we may go with whomever suits our fancy or stick to our principles when it comes time to really make a difference.
Go Newt!

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on February 28, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Yeah, well, I vehemently opposed the auto bailouts and assumed–wrongly, as it turns out–that opposition to those bailouts was the typical conservative position. Turns out politicians who call themselves conservatives can oppose the bailouts and then enjoin Democrats to raid Republican primaries on the basis of their support for bailouts–and still remain the darling of conservative voters. Who knew?

troyriser_gopftw on February 28, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Didn’t I told ya a month ago, bro, that some day we’ll end up on the same side of the barricade?

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Politics is a tough game – Santorum is certainly well within his rights to do whatever he feels is necessary to try and win.

The only real story here is the absolute, complete debunking of the myth that Democrats want to face Romney in the general.

gotsig on February 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Santorum can do whatever he needs to win, but Romney is not allowed to run factual negative ads. Got it.

antisense on February 28, 2012 at 10:30 AM

“It’s a long campaign and if adjustments need to be made he will make them.” In other words.. Romney has no core.

“Santorum up 10? Wow, his robocall to Dems in which he blasts Romney for opposing the auto bailouts is really paying off!”

I agree that this may not be a great strategy. But I dont recall complaints when McCain did it in 2008. If there’s a problem here, it’s the Michigan Republican Party that tolerates an open primary.

Intrepid767 on February 28, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Mucus,

You’re going have to explain why this action is “disgusting” and Romney dropping millions in negative advertising is not. And, for the record, Santorum isn’t as unelectable as you claim and Romney is not as electable as you would like us to believe.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Not sure why I am even dignifying some loser with a response who doesn’t have the common decency to refer to someone by their name, not some name that he thinks is clever and witty.

I have explained a million times why being used by the left is disgusting. I get that his Santorums, who probably think college is a bad idea, when they are exhibit A as to why college is a great idea, dont understand that concept. But using the left to win is a joke because they don’t have the interests of the nation as their motivation (kind of like Santorum voters actually).

And Romney is doing what every candidate does. So, spare me the indignation. If Santorum had money, which he doesn’t, he would be doing the same. And if you think Santorum is electable, you have another thing coming if heaven forbit Santorum wins, and he has to face Obama.

Also, if you think Santorum is more electable than Romney, that really is exhibit “B” as to why college is not this bad idea Santorum pretends that it is.

milcus on February 28, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Santorum is not the best person to be the GOP nominee in the abstract. However, of those still in running he is the best, IMHO. Certainly he is better than RomneyCare.

txmomof6 on February 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Why, though? Not passing RomneyCare makes someone presidential material?

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 10:31 AM

It appears to me they are accurate when theres a large gap or swing.
gerrym51 on February 28, 2012 at 10:21 AM

If you have multiple respectable polling companies over a period of time which indicate the same thing – then, yes, there likely is something to consider in the numbers. But when it’s just one left-leaning outfit with bizarrely huge swings from one day to another, as is the case here, then it’s best to be a bit skeptical.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Santorum is using the Michigan primaries as a teaching moment that shows moderate Democrats they don’t have to listen to their unions and vote for the jug-eared idiot.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2012 at 10:06 AM

First, I don’t believe there’s such a thing as “moderate democrats”. Those people are republicans who probably grew up in democrat households.

If there are any democrats who are thinking of voting for someone other than Odumbo, I doubt Santorum has anything to do with it. All of the credit for that goes to The One.

RedCrow on February 28, 2012 at 10:32 AM

“Santorum up 10? Wow, his robocall to Dems in which he blasts Romney for opposing the auto bailouts is really paying off!”

I agree that this may not be a great strategy. But I dont recall complaints when McCain did it in 2008. If there’s a problem here, it’s the Michigan Republican Party that tolerates an open primary.

Intrepid767 on February 28, 2012 at 10:30 AM

The problem isn’t the robocalls just by themselves.

It’s the fact that he’s using democrat/big labor talking points on them. McCain didn’t do anything of this kind in 2008.

joana on February 28, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Everyone knows that Saint Rick would lose to Ø’Bumbler in a landslide, but so will Mittens because Conservatives like me will never vote for him. I’d sooner go with the Libertarians. Face facts, none of the candidates are ideal, so we may go with whomever suits our fancy or stick to our principles when it comes time to really make a difference.
Go Newt!

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on February 28, 2012 at 10:26 AM

You are not a conservative if you would not vote for Romney. Plain and simple.

You babble about change, and then talk about voting for Libertarians and other guaranteed losers. Give me a break.

Make no mistake, a vote against Romney is a vote for Obama. Whether you want to vote for Newt, Santorum, etc.. If you do that, please do not bitch and moan for the next 4 years about how awful Obama is. Because the simple truth is that it will be your own fault he is President.

milcus on February 28, 2012 at 10:35 AM

I agree that this may not be a great strategy. But I dont recall complaints when McCain did it in 2008. If there’s a problem here, it’s the Michigan Republican Party that tolerates an open primary.

Intrepid767 on February 28, 2012 at 10:30 AM

This. And how much would you bet that if Odumbo is re-elected, MI democrats will quickly change the law so it won’t happen to them in 2016–that is, if there’s a country left.

RedCrow on February 28, 2012 at 10:35 AM

I argued my point; you just insulted me for no reason. If all Santorum supporters are like that, I’ll rather vote for Obama.

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Actually, it wasn’t for “no reason.” You did more than argue your point. You asserted your point by using an uncalled-for crotch reference that a middle-schooler would find juvenile to cleverly nickname the candidate you don’t like.
And people like you are going to vote Obama anyway.

Right Mover on February 28, 2012 at 10:36 AM

PPP is Daily Kos polling partner. You people are idiots for buying into this.

rubberneck on February 28, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Why, though? Not passing RomneyCare makes someone presidential material?

changer1701 on February 28, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Are you really asking for my opinion or you just trying to diss Santorum?

txmomof6 on February 28, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Gracie, wait and see. There is going to be a HUGE backlash againt Santorum for his despicable tactics. Romney and every Republican in this country is going to destroy Santorum, and he deserves it.
Have your fun today, hangover starts tomorrow.
Santorum is a LOSER and we are going to make that clear in Ohio and beyond.
matthew8787 on February 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Wishful thinking. No one has been more ruthless than Mitt, no one, and now its turning on him. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy and corporate raider.

gracie on February 28, 2012 at 10:37 AM

however its still too close to call
gerrym51 on February 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Yeah, I wouldn’t get near as excited as Ed (“Wow! Rick’s gonna win by 10 points!!”) based on this one very odd poll. I expect it’s going to be one long night as far as Mich is concerned, with a 2% difference at most between winner and loser.

whatcat on February 28, 2012 at 10:38 AM

joana on February 28, 2012 at 10:34 AM

I doubt that Santorum’s robo-call has as much impact as the democrat party robo-call to registered democrats.

I’ve said it before: I guarantee that lots of union cash went to pay “bonuses” to members in MI, today.

RedCrow on February 28, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Didn’t I told ya a month ago, bro, that some day we’ll end up on the same side of the barricade?

Archivarix on February 28, 2012 at 10:29 AM

You called it. Here we are.

troyriser_gopftw on February 28, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Also, if you think Santorum is more electable than Romney, that really is exhibit “B” as to why college is not this bad idea Santorum pretends that it is.

milcus on February 28, 2012 at 10:31 AM

I think Santorum’s comment is appealing to people that didn’t have the grades or two nickels to rub together to get into college. They look at people younger than them bettering themselves and they resent it because it points out the failings in their own lives. They want to say, “well I may work in some crappy factory, but at least I am not some liberal elite!” It is very similar to the Tebow hatred we see in that it is just jealousy. We have seen a great backlash against higher education at our own peril. It is rich to hear people who never went wail on and on about what goes on in the classroom. Stop forming an opinion based on B-movies and see for yourself. Major in something real like the sciences and not humanities.

That said, college is screwing everyone because of student loans, skyrocketing cost, union benefits for employees, and people putting it on a pedestal. They also offer stupid majors that just mislead and confuse people into fields that will never generate a good income. You must think of it as a business and not an institution and it will make more sense.

antisense on February 28, 2012 at 10:41 AM

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