Judge in case of atheist attacked by Muslim: It was right on the edge of being “ethnic intimidation”

posted at 6:00 pm on February 28, 2012 by Allahpundit

Watch to the end for the coup de grace to a week of news stories about people getting killed over burned Korans. In case the headline’s unclear, Martin’s not saying that choking an atheist for mocking Mohammed constitutes intimidation (he says there isn’t enough proof to conclude that it happened, although some sort of altercation clearly did). He’s saying that mocking Mohammed is intimidating to Muslim bystanders, not unlike putting on a white hood and robe around someone who’s black. That’s a perfect Orwellian inversion of reality: The reason people get nervous when Islam is satirized or insulted is because they fear a violent reaction by Muslims, not against them. That’s why Comedy Central has made Mohammed a red line for “South Park,” that’s why newspapers only rarely reproduce the Jyllands Posten cartoons, that’s why Obama and the NATO brass are falling all over themselves to apologize for the Koran-burnings. If you saw some guy parading down the street as “Zombie Mohammed,” you’d worry too — for his safety. The taboo against insulting Islam is higher than for other faiths only because it carries more risk to the offender. This tool somehow manages to identify that — intimidation is indeed the key component — before bizarrely suggesting that it runs the other way.

He’s got some interesting ideas on free speech too:

Interviewer: When I spoke to him over the phone, Judge Martin acknowledged it’s his job to protect the rights of people like the atheist, no matter how offensive they might be.

Interviewer to Judge Martin: … There are some who believe you were failing to protect that right.

Judge Martin: No, I don’t think so. Here’s the thing: It’s a right, it’s not a privilege, it’s a right. With rights come responsibilities. The more that people abuse our rights, the more likely that we’re going to lose them.

Is that a warning or a threat? Eugene Volokh counters, “I … think that free speech rights are in danger when judges berate alleged crime victims for their anti-Islam speech, and thus convey the message that the legal system may be biased against those who engage in such speech and may fail to protect those people because of such speech.” Like I said the other day, it sounds to me like this guy might be a fan of the “fighting words” exception to the First Amendment by which certain types of speech can be banned if they’re likely to offend the audience to the point of violence. (That exception has come up before in Supreme Court cases dealing with hate speech.) If you accept his logic that mocking Mohammed, even in a dopey over-the-top zombie costume in the middle of a public street, is sufficient to “intimidate” Muslims, then it’s only natural that they’d lash out in order to protect themselves. And if they’re apt to lash out, the state might decide it’s worth trying to regulate insulting depictions of religious figures in order to avert violence. That’s the “hate speech” rationale for de facto blasphemy laws; the “fighting words” exception, which appends a “heckler’s veto” to the First Amendment, is the mechanism by which they could, theoretically, happen. It’s pure garbage but dangerous stuff potentially in the hands of people like this.

Update: Incidentally, there’s some confusion over whether the judge himself is Muslim or not. The audio of his lecture to the atheist in court made it sound like he said “I’m a Muslim” at one point, but Andy McCarthy argues here that it was mistranscribed and that the judge said “If I’m a Muslim” while speaking hypothetically. Doesn’t affect any of the above, though.


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First amendment is the second amendment to be torn to shreds by the most transparent admin evah!

ConcealedKerry on May 21, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Oh and First!

ConcealedKerry on May 21, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I hope Rush Limbaugh has beefed up his security and perimeter around the Southern command. Barack just loves to mention him by name.

SouthernGent on May 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

This is NOT a pattern. It’s mere happenstance./

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Yes the IRS should be in charge of Obamacare and the Rats and Rinos should legalize some more illegals since a couple of Visa over stayers bombed Boston and this administration has been fast and furiously releasing criminal aliens!

ConcealedKerry on May 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Valerie Jarrett is Keyser Soze. Payback.

can_con on May 21, 2013 at 9:31 PM

This is so creepy.

This is also why you get pre-paid cell phones.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Scared yet?

petefrt on May 21, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Does it bother anyone that this administration has reserved for itself the right to determine in which instances they may drone kill US citizens without trial?

ConcealedKerry on May 21, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Love how KP just has to throw in the BUsh horse#hit…

You go girl.

BigWyo on May 21, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Thank u bret baier, one of very few in media i trust.

hillsoftx on May 21, 2013 at 9:38 PM

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Evening!!!

Creepy is the right word gg. I read a lot of political/espionage/murder novels. This fits right in.

CoffeeLover on May 21, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Evening!!!

Creepy is the right word gg. I read a lot of political/espionage/murder novels. This fits right in.

CoffeeLover on May 21, 2013 at 9:38 PM

I was thinking the same thing. This would make one heck of a book.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 9:41 PM

lol GG except sadly it is real life and I can’t believe anyone wishing to work with the U.S. is going to do it anytime soon. Dangerous.

And, you can be sure that Kathryn Bigelow isn’t going to make a movie about this anytime soon.

CoffeeLover on May 21, 2013 at 9:45 PM

This is NOT a pattern. It’s mere happenstance./

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM

“Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it’s enemy action.”

Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Well, you know how it is. When a reporter misbehaves, an administration sometimes has to call his parents…or, just seize their phone logs.

LOL

BoxHead1 on May 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM

“Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it’s enemy action.”

Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Exactly the way I call it.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM

How many times have we seen this movie? And we’re still shocked at how it always unfolds?
When you’re the smartest guy in the room, and you’re so dead certain that your vision is the only one any decent person could possibly have, there is no limit to what you can justify doing. Or more to the point, no limit to what you WILL justify doing.
And with the adoring masses cheering you on, there is no level of depravity you won’t go beyond, all the while piously telling yourself that it’a all for “the greater good”!

Lew on May 21, 2013 at 9:49 PM

At least we seem to finally have bipartisan outrage about this intrusion. This president and his administration are incorrigible. And they could care less. Dying to know what the West Wing pow wow with the lefty bloggers was about. Oh to be a fly on the wall.

scalleywag on May 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM

At least we seem to finally have bipartisan outrage about this intrusion. This president and his administration are incorrigible. And they could care less. Dying to know what the West Wing pow wow with the lefty bloggers was about. Oh to be a fly on the wall.

scalleywag on May 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Never trust a liberal.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 9:54 PM

MeanWhile……….

IRS flagged conservative political groups Ex-Cincinnati IRS official doubts agency’s explanation for Tea Party scandal – @NBCNews

Submitted 37 mins ago
from openchannel.nbcnews.com by editor

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/21/18404474-ex-cincy-irs-official-doubts-agencys-explanation-for-tea-party-scandal?lite

canopfor on May 21, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Luther Stickell: Reach your folks?

[Ethan nods]
Luther Stickell: How do they feel?

Ethan Hunt: About what?

Luther Stickell: The apology from the Justice Department, VIP treatment. You know, the whole nine yards.

Ethan Hunt: Well, my mom was a little confused how the DEA could mistake her and Uncle Donald for a couple of dope smugglers in the Florida Keys.

Ben Hur on May 21, 2013 at 9:57 PM

So,I ponder,

who’s next on the Scruteneers Scrutenizers List,

Conservative Blogs
RightSphere Watch Groups
Consevative/Libertarian Bloggers
There Families,and all associates,
their E-Mails and Twitters!!

canopfor on May 21, 2013 at 10:01 PM

So, between all of this nonsense and now the visibility that our Senate is proceeding at high rates of speed to get amnesty passed…

SMOD, please land on Washington DC.

Absent that… well, apparently this is going to have to get really ugly before there’s hope of it getting any better.

Midas on May 21, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Dying to know what the West Wing pow wow with the lefty bloggers was about. Oh to be a fly on the wall.

scalleywag on May 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Just watch the Ezra Klein pieces for the next week or two – you’ll know exactly what it was about.

Midas on May 21, 2013 at 10:03 PM

It’s ‘paradise’ isn’t it…”

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. (Applause.) Thank you, everybody. (Laughter.) How do you like my new entrance music? (Applause.) Rush Limbaugh warned you about this — second term, baby. (Laughter and applause.) We’re changing things around here a little bit. (Laughter.)

Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Seven Percent Solution:Good catch 7%,

and ya,a Utopian NeverLand,and maybe,FLOTUS could arrange for
another trip tp Spain!:)

canopfor on May 21, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! How dumb do you have to be to go after the media…and lose one of the biggest things that prop you up daily?

dont taze me bro on May 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Dying to know what the West Wing pow wow with the lefty bloggers was about. Oh to be a fly on the wall.

scalleywag on May 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Just watch the Ezra Klein pieces for the next week or two – you’ll know exactly what it was about.

Midas on May 21, 2013 at 10:03 PM

“PROTECT US AT ALL COST!”

Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM

“At what point, then, should one resist? When one’s belt is taken away? When one is ordered to face into a corner? When one crosses the threshold of one’s home? An arrest consists of a series of incidental irrelevancies, of a multitude of things that do not matter, and there seems no point in arguing about one of them individually…and yet all these incidental irrelevancies taken together implacably constitute the arrest. ”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

tom daschle concerned on May 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 9:56 PM

The classic tale of how one’s extreme arrogance leads to their eventual downfall. Sometimes it’s swift, sometimes it’s gradual, but it’s always a certainty. And it always involves those who believe firmly in their heart that they will defy the odds.

From the days of Ancient Greece, the fate is always the same,

Myron Falwell on May 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Parent trap

Nice parents you have there, children too.

VorDaj on May 21, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Thank u bret baier, one of very few in media i trust.

hillsoftx on May 21, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Lol. Bret is definitely not part of the “media”. He is a partisan hack pretending to be independent. I am yet to see him allow anyone in support of Obama complete a sentence.

HotAirLib on May 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM

and ya,a Utopian NeverLand,and maybe,FLOTUS could arrange for
another trip tp Spain!:)

canopfor on May 21, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Not this trip…

… Maybe next time.

Obama to travel to Africa in late June

Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM

IRS = Political hacks.
Fire them all.

Zorro on May 21, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Let’s just remember what a nice speech Obama gave at Morehead, so everything is good.

VorDaj on May 21, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Ooops DOJ=Political hacks (IRS too)

Zorro on May 21, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Lol. Bret is definitely not part of the “media”. He is a partisan hack pretending to be independent. I am yet to see him allow anyone in support of Obama complete a sentence.

HotAirLib on May 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM

This needs to be nominated for Derpiest HotGas Comment of the Year.

Myron Falwell on May 21, 2013 at 10:14 PM

*points politely at the “DONT FEED THE TROLLS” sign*

Midas on May 21, 2013 at 10:16 PM

From the days of Ancient Greece, the fate is always the same,

Myron Falwell on May 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Agreed…

… But in this case there is something different at play.

Obowma has infested and entrenched the Departments and Bureaucracies of this Nation with like minded individuals that believe his ideology…

Once in place, all they needed was the “OK to Go!”, and they got it…

… Now we are supposed to believe that Obowma wasn’t told of all these scandals to keep him safe?

No, the bigger picture is not Obowma himself…

… but the entirety of the political Left and the Democrat Party as a whole.

That needs to be what the next election is about, and rooting out the ideology that would destroy this Country…

Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 10:25 PM

For two years, I have told anyone willing to listen, there are four adjectives that sum up this administration:

Reckless
Feckless
Lawless
Preposterous

We are not treated as “citizens,” but like the “subjects” of a king.

I thought we had this worked out in 1776.

KCsecurity1976 on May 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Love how KP just has to throw in the BUsh horse#hit…

You go girl.

BigWyo on May 21, 2013 at 9:36 PM

It’s been a long day, but I don’t see any reference to Bush.

Basilsbest on May 21, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Perhaps wrapped up with a bow on it or perhaps not….but the bottom line Obama response is going to be the same one he always uses….A sneer a raised middle finger and “what are ya’gonna do about it punks?”…So far it’s worked just fine.

bluesdoc70 on May 21, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Good thing Mark Levin’s bunker is undisclosed!

shar61 on May 21, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Agreed…

… But in this case there is something different at play.

Obowma has infested and entrenched the Departments and Bureaucracies of this Nation with like minded individuals that believe his ideology…

Once in place, all they needed was the “OK to Go!”, and they got it…

… Now we are supposed to believe that Obowma wasn’t told of all these scandals to keep him safe?

No, the bigger picture is not Obowma himself…

… but the entirety of the political Left and the Democrat Party as a whole.

That needs to be what the next election is about, and rooting out the ideology that would destroy this Country…

Seven Percent Solution on May 21, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Still, their downfall is inevitable. It’s rooted in who we are. Imperfect souls who think we can be bigger than God, and subsequently get theirs in the end.

Obama is the epicenter by his own volition. His ego and perceived invincibility made it so. But the Dems have had their fate of destruction cast long ago when they declared war on all political opponents in a quest for total power.

What conservatives need to do is present a compelling reason why people should vote for them. Winning by attrition won’t work, as evidenced by the GOPe in 2010 when they were handed the House and did nothing with it (which is why faith needs to be put on the candidates, not on the failed party).

Myron Falwell on May 21, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Drunk with power.

rightmind on May 21, 2013 at 11:27 PM

J’ve never heard anyone defending barky speak in complete sentences.

Some even plead the 5th, HAL.

wolly4321 on May 21, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

‘Cuz some jokes never get old.

bigmacdaddy on May 22, 2013 at 12:33 AM

The United States of Venezuela.

Sherman1864 on May 22, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Why are people shocked by this? Obama has been allowed to break the laws time and again and thumb his nose at us afterwards everytime.

He has done it again. Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012, she is the very person most likely to have been Obama’s attack dog against the conservative organization.

But did Obama fire her… Oh he11 no, instead Ingram has been placed in charge of ObamaCare. Obama just laughs and thumbs his nose at us.

Axion on May 22, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Wonder what the AP thinks of this–have they bothered to comment?

stukinIL4now on May 22, 2013 at 6:07 AM

This is so creepy.

This is also why you get pre-paid cell phones.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Its chilling. My Dad was a Tea Party organizer and his group leaders complained a long time ago about not getting a tax exempt status for their organization. When I think that my Dads friends and possibly even my Dad rated a closer look by the government just makes me scratch my head. These guys are the salt of the Earth and they’re being looked at as criminals by the Obama people.

smoothsailing on May 22, 2013 at 7:08 AM

Battered spouse Media.

They’ll always love him………

PappyD61 on May 22, 2013 at 7:14 AM

nEWS MEDIA and their parents?! Oh, it is SO time to send someone to JAIL! This administration is so out of control it is scary!

Meanhile I wounder if they found out who in the upper level administration leaked that it was Israel who attacked Syria a week or so ago, for which the Obama administration apologized for (which makes it all better when they do something wrong, right?).

easyt65 on May 22, 2013 at 8:12 AM

nEWS MEDIA and their parents?! Oh, it is SO time to send someone to JAIL! This administration is so out of control it is scary!

Meanhile I wounder if they found out who in the upper level administration leaked that it was Israel who attacked Syria a week or so ago, for which the Obama administration apologized for (which makes it all better when they do something wrong, right?).

easyt65 on May 22, 2013 at 8:12 AM

That’s a serious leak, and I’d like to see a Congressional hearing on that one too. It’s much like the leak a year or two ago about Israel getting permission from Azerbaijan to refuel their planes on a possible attack on Iran.

slickwillie2001 on May 22, 2013 at 8:31 AM