Judge in case of atheist attacked by Muslim: It was right on the edge of being “ethnic intimidation”
posted at 6:00 pm on February 28, 2012 by Allahpundit
Watch to the end for the coup de grace to a week of news stories about people getting killed over burned Korans. In case the headline’s unclear, Martin’s not saying that choking an atheist for mocking Mohammed constitutes intimidation (he says there isn’t enough proof to conclude that it happened, although some sort of altercation clearly did). He’s saying that mocking Mohammed is intimidating to Muslim bystanders, not unlike putting on a white hood and robe around someone who’s black. That’s a perfect Orwellian inversion of reality: The reason people get nervous when Islam is satirized or insulted is because they fear a violent reaction by Muslims, not against them. That’s why Comedy Central has made Mohammed a red line for “South Park,” that’s why newspapers only rarely reproduce the Jyllands Posten cartoons, that’s why Obama and the NATO brass are falling all over themselves to apologize for the Koran-burnings. If you saw some guy parading down the street as “Zombie Mohammed,” you’d worry too — for his safety. The taboo against insulting Islam is higher than for other faiths only because it carries more risk to the offender. This tool somehow manages to identify that — intimidation is indeed the key component — before bizarrely suggesting that it runs the other way.
He’s got some interesting ideas on free speech too:
Interviewer: When I spoke to him over the phone, Judge Martin acknowledged it’s his job to protect the rights of people like the atheist, no matter how offensive they might be.
Interviewer to Judge Martin: … There are some who believe you were failing to protect that right.
Judge Martin: No, I don’t think so. Here’s the thing: It’s a right, it’s not a privilege, it’s a right. With rights come responsibilities. The more that people abuse our rights, the more likely that we’re going to lose them.
Is that a warning or a threat? Eugene Volokh counters, “I … think that free speech rights are in danger when judges berate alleged crime victims for their anti-Islam speech, and thus convey the message that the legal system may be biased against those who engage in such speech and may fail to protect those people because of such speech.” Like I said the other day, it sounds to me like this guy might be a fan of the “fighting words” exception to the First Amendment by which certain types of speech can be banned if they’re likely to offend the audience to the point of violence. (That exception has come up before in Supreme Court cases dealing with hate speech.) If you accept his logic that mocking Mohammed, even in a dopey over-the-top zombie costume in the middle of a public street, is sufficient to “intimidate” Muslims, then it’s only natural that they’d lash out in order to protect themselves. And if they’re apt to lash out, the state might decide it’s worth trying to regulate insulting depictions of religious figures in order to avert violence. That’s the “hate speech” rationale for de facto blasphemy laws; the “fighting words” exception, which appends a “heckler’s veto” to the First Amendment, is the mechanism by which they could, theoretically, happen. It’s pure garbage but dangerous stuff potentially in the hands of people like this.
Update: Incidentally, there’s some confusion over whether the judge himself is Muslim or not. The audio of his lecture to the atheist in court made it sound like he said “I’m a Muslim” at one point, but Andy McCarthy argues here that it was mistranscribed and that the judge said “If I’m a Muslim” while speaking hypothetically. Doesn’t affect any of the above, though.
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INC on May 13, 2013 at 5:31 PM
Yes..long time ago.
Was a big story here..locally.
Yeah.. understatement. :(
bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 5:33 PM
Trolls shown up yet?
annoyinglittletwerp on May 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM
You’re welcome.
I have another quote for you. I think I got this one from the Priests For Life site.
Now with Gosnell, they have no answer. Jill Stanek has been writing this year about the increasing demoralization of abortionists. That’s how much they care about making abortion “rare”—they get down about it.
INC on May 13, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Just you…
cozmo on May 13, 2013 at 5:38 PM
Just you…
cozmo on May 13, 2013 at 5:38 PM
I opened THAT door up, didn’t I.
annoyinglittletwerp on May 13, 2013 at 5:40 PM
And
walkedran right into it.cozmo on May 13, 2013 at 5:41 PM
I bet they hate the ability to change your profile picture to your ultrasound picture on Facebook.
cptacek on May 13, 2013 at 5:52 PM
William Saletan of Slate wrote an article in 2007 on the impact of technology on abortion: “The fetus is squirming, and so are we.”
Yeah, they hate it.
INC on May 13, 2013 at 5:58 PM
9 of 12 Jurors in #Gosnell Trial Are ‘Pro-Choice’ http://ow.ly/kZwUn
Resist We Much on May 13, 2013 at 6:04 PM
Somebody ask for Humpbot?
http://tinyurl.com/humpgos
jmad on May 13, 2013 at 6:04 PM
I didn’t know that. Was that when they were being asked questions prior to being seated for the trial?
So only one is pro-life? That’s remarkable.
I wonder what they all think now.
INC on May 13, 2013 at 6:07 PM
bazil9 on May 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM
I agree with you … and a year or 2 ago I would agree with you.
and I feel the Bible supports this because as was pointed out…
an image bearer of GOD was murdered.
but then the cold eyed accountant shows up …
paying X amount for appeals x number of years …
*sigh* …. but I agree it meets the criteria IMHO
to be a DP award ….
conservative tarheel on May 13, 2013 at 6:09 PM
Seriously?!?!?!
ladyingray on May 13, 2013 at 6:09 PM
Even if given the death penalty, he won’t die from it. Take life without parole in general population.
He’s WANTING the death penalty at this point….
ladyingray on May 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM
I’m wondering how many other denizens of abortion clinics are closely watching this unfold. I also wonder what their pucker factor is right about now.
Oldnuke on May 13, 2013 at 6:24 PM
The one image that comes to mind is the scene in the movie “Ghost”. The bad guy dies at the end, and the black shadows come to get him, and drag him away.
I hope when they come for Gosnell, he goes kicking and screaming, and has to run the gauntlet of the faces of every baby he ever butchered…all the way to Hell!
grumpy_old_soldier on May 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM
His lawyer is a piece of work.
What media was that?
Cindy Munford on May 13, 2013 at 6:39 PM
yup .. and then at the great white throne … he is brought before the King of Kings and is tried … every baby he butchered is there and testifies against him …
he is judged by his works as everything is written down … then the lambs book is opened and his name is not written down … and at this point the King of Kings pronounces sentence “depart from me into everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels!”
at this point he is picked up and cast into the lake of fire.
conservative tarheel on May 13, 2013 at 6:40 PM
Which tells you how truly ugly this was that even believers couldn’t turn away.
kim roy on May 13, 2013 at 6:40 PM
oh come now … the throngs of reporters and tv and radio types down there
standing room only in the press area .. /s
conservative tarheel on May 13, 2013 at 6:41 PM
PP is just as guilty as Gosnell. More guilty in fact, they have far more innocent baby blood on their hands.
Kjeil on May 13, 2013 at 6:43 PM
Silly ‘social conservatives’ ruining the party with their defense of the unborn. How many more babies do you want to save at the expense of the party!?eleventyone1one1!
LaughterJones on May 13, 2013 at 6:52 PM
It’s a hollow statement by the leading, government authorized death camp in the USA.
You get to have freedoms in the USA! Just have to make it out of the womb first!
LaughterJones on May 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM
.
Why do I always miss the good stuff, in real time ?
listens2glenn on May 13, 2013 at 6:57 PM
Ok, now that the trial is over, will the Exalted One comment on it?
And will anyone in the media have the temerity to actually ask him to go on record?
Forgive me. I’ve been watching political movies, where these things actually happen…
Chris of Rights on May 13, 2013 at 7:35 PM
May they now Rest in Peace
txmomof6 on May 13, 2013 at 8:00 PM
Another 3,288 today, and every day in the USA.
slickwillie2001 on May 13, 2013 at 8:14 PM
Wow, can’t even bring themselves to mention the babies.
Dongemaharu on May 13, 2013 at 9:15 PM
If the bill Obama sponsored in the Illinois legislature had passed in Pennsylvania, would Gosnell have been convicted?
As I recall, Obama wanted to decriminalize killing a baby after a botched abortion.
jya lai on May 14, 2013 at 10:54 AM
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