Gingrich to Afghanistan: Maybe it’s time for you to live your miserable lives on your own

posted at 6:02 pm on February 27, 2012 by Allahpundit

Have there been any new U.S. polls on Afghanistan taken since the locals went berserk over the Koran burnings? I’m keen to see what the Republican numbers look like now after days of killing followed by apologies followed by … more killing. It’s the right that’s been propping up support for the mission, but the thought of O’s “sorry” being met by Afghan officers shooting U.S. troops in the back of their heads while at their desks might be what finally finishes this project off. If 10 years of nation-building can’t prevent systemic fears of fraggings by Afghan soldiers, we’re wasting our time. And even if they can, we may be wasting our time anyway.

Gingrich senses an opportunity. Your move, Mitt:

Turning to the escalating violence in Afghanistan, the former Georgia congressman said the United States is facing an impossible task there.

“We are not going to fix Afghanistan. It is not possible,” he told a large group of Republicans at an afternoon luncheon here. “These are people who have spent several thousand years hating foreigners. And what we have done by staying is become the new foreigners.

“This is a real problem. And there are some problems where you have to say, ‘You know, you are going to have to figure out how to live your own miserable life… because you clearly don’t want to learn from me how to be unmiserable. And that is what you are going to see happen.”

The One now has cover from the self-styled anti-establishment Republican candidate to follow through on that speeded-up withdrawal Panetta floated last month. Can’t imagine that Romney would dare run to his right on the war against that backdrop unless it’s with sporadic boilerplate about “seeing the mission through” or “not surrendering” that no one presses him very hard on. Meanwhile, the official spin is that incidents of rebellion by Afghan troops are still relatively rare and might be caused by Taliban infiltration, but read this Time piece casting doubt on that. Even the Army itself doesn’t believe it:

The Saturday attacks seem to verify the findings of a declassified — then reclassified — U.S. Army study titled A Crisis of Trust and Cultural Incompatibility, which was released in May 2011. Through hundreds of interviews with both Afghan and American service members, it found that the murders of NATO troops by Afghan troops “do not represent ‘rare and isolated events’ as [is] currently being proclaimed.” Afghan soldiers cited night raids and home searches by foreign troops, the lack of respect for women, indiscriminate shooting, constant cursing and arrogance as top complaints against their foreign “partners.” They also said failure to prosecute foreign troops for war crimes, disrespect for Afghan soldiers, poor logistical support and a failure to share information led to divisions between the two forces — among numerous other complaints that included entering mosques, eating in front of fasting Afghan soldiers during Ramadan and other episodes of the desecration of the Koran.

At the same time, the report noted that U.S. troops have an extremely low regard for their Afghan counterparts. The service members’ top complaints were that the Afghans were drug abusers, thieves, traitorous, unstable, incompetent and had poor officers and noncommissioned officers. The troops also said Afghan recruits lacked discipline, were dangerous in firefights, were cowardly, lazy and had poor hygiene.

The report concludes that “the rapidly growing fratricide-murder trend committed by Afghan national security force [ANSF] personnel against NATO members” confirms the “ineffectiveness [of] our efforts in stabilizing Afghanistan, developing a legitimate and effective government, battling the insurgency, gaining the loyalty, respect and friendship of the Afghans [and] building the ANSFs into legitimate and functional organizations.” The report says that these complaints and murders challenge the usefulness of the “partnering” concept.

Said one former NATO rep, “If the trust, ability and willingness to partner falls apart, you are looking at the endgame here.” I’m not sure I understand that “if,” though: So worried was Gen. Allen about fraggings this weekend that he felt compelled to pull NATO advisors out of Afghan ministries, which are supposed to be secure and whose personnel are doubtless vetted carefully for their loyalties. If you can’t work in a cubicle inside the Interior Ministry without having to worry about some enraged lunatic shooting you in the face, what’s left?

Here’s Rush Limbaugh on today’s show wondering if maybe it’s time to say “to hell with the place.” See why I’m so curious about new poll numbers? Click the image to watch the clip, then read this Michael Hirsh piece at National Journal noting that the Koran-burning isn’t the only thing Afghan-related that Obama plans to apologize for. Relations with Pakistan have been strained ever since NATO airstrikes killed several dozen Pakistani troops back in November; an official “sorry” for that has been in the works for awhile in hopes of rebuilding cooperation, especially given the growing U.S. alarm about Haqqani hideouts across the border. But O may postpone it now in order to deny the GOP a talking point about his latest “apology tour.”


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So you are in the genocide camp? I’m sure you felt really tough writing this, but you are morally bankrupt. Disgusting. You should be ashamed, but I know better.

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Islam is morally bankrupt as are it’s auxiliaries and enablers. Islam’s enemies are enlightened.

Islam does not teach the same sort of compassion for the other that virtually every other religion including today’s “secular humanism” teaches. Muslims murder and torture each other without compunction and their own ummah, “brotherhood” has no condemnation to offer. That’s because they don’t value individual human life the way Christian westerners do. It’s not a concept in Islam, which means it’s not a concept in Muslims “hearts and minds”. Their hearts and minds instead understand what Allah teaches them in the Koran, namely, the Collective Will to Power.

It is necessary in the end to treat Muslims in the way they themselves understand moral principles. Which ultimately means that they must be beaten back and vanquished and humiliated by a greater strength. That is clearly what they understand. Every move to win their hearts and minds only strengthens them, emboldens them to advance their own peculiar ethics of the world, which couldn’t give a damn about “hearts and minds”, as we understand the term. They will accept the shehada from anyone they can swindle and connive to recite it while at the same time are willing to kill anyone who leaves Islam. Whatever it takes to build the army of Islamic soldiers is what their ethics is about.

There is no way of avoiding the reality that the adults in this world are going to have to act like adults and step up and slap, and in a big way, Muslims who have made of their own societies the equivalent of “Lord of the Flies” and who now threaten to overrun every more advanced society with their mayhem. We’re going to have to come to terms this reality. Either that or it’s simply going to be cruel for all of us, with no kindness in sight, and possibly no one left to come and rescue us off an Island from Hell that in our passivity and cowardice we allowed to be taken over by moral pygmies.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Now, there’s a stunner!

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 10:04 PM

You got nothing. Zip nada zilch.

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 10:11 PM

We need to be out of there. What a waste of our service men and service women’s lives. They have died for absolutely nothing. This situation will NEVER be fixed.

We need to get out of there, and let those people spend the rest of eternity hacking each other to death, which is what they do very well.

littlekittie on February 27, 2012 at 10:12 PM

complaints were that the Afghans were drug abusers, thieves, traitorous, unstable, incompetent… recruits lacked discipline, were dangerous in firefights, were cowardly, lazy and had poor hygiene.

…and that’s on a good day.

repvoter on February 27, 2012 at 10:13 PM

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 10:11 PM

You expect ronpaul to admit that he’s just another crooked, hypocritical politician; and not your pure as the driven snow savior? Why, that would shatter your little dream world and cut off the money-spigot that runs from the wallets of the paulbots to ronpaul’s retirement account.
Ronpaul is nothing more than a racist, anti-semitic, hypocritical, fascist phony — and he’s playing you bots for fools.

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM

You expect ronpaul to admit that he’s rabble rabble blah blah not your pure as the driven snow savior?

A politician not picture-perfect? Well gee f*cking whiz, whoda thunk? Oh yeah – anybody but an Obamabot or a Neocon jackass.

Why, that would shatter your little dream world and cut off the money-spigot that runs from the wallets of the paulbots to ronpaul’s retirement account.

The only dream that’s been shattered is the dream of America stopping the Neoclown dream of “Occupy the Middle East”. Because it’s become quite apparent that Neither. Side. Gives. A. D@mn. about ending the occupations.

Only a few former hawks are seeing the light (God bless you who are), and not even the liberals care now! Everybody except the Code Stink bunch has given up on it once it wasn’t a useful club to bash Bush with.

Ronpaul is nothing more than a racist, anti-semitic, hypocritical, fascist phony — and he’s playing you bots for fools.

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Oh look, the monkey knows all the right words. Somebody give the monkey a banana…

And perhaps a one-way trip to Afghanistan, in a straightjacket painted with all of the Mohammed cartoons.

MelonCollie on February 27, 2012 at 10:40 PM

It’s crazy that we still allow Muslim immigration. They have to learn to leave their own miserable lives in their own countries.

David Blue on February 27, 2012 at 10:45 PM

They have to learn to live their own miserable lives in their own countries.

They already know how to leave their miserable lives – with suicide bombs and jihad attack.

David Blue on February 27, 2012 at 10:47 PM

It’s crazy that we still allow Muslim immigration. They have to learn to leave their own miserable lives in their own countries.

David Blue on February 27, 2012 at 10:45 PM

It’s fruity-bonkers insanity that we haven’t shut off immigration to anyone without a college degree. The country is in a freaking recession, we’ve got too many uneducated (and illegal) peasants competing for too little labor as it is, and some of the new arrivals should scare us good.

MelonCollie on February 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Islam is morally bankrupt as are it’s auxiliaries and enablers. Islam’s enemies are enlightened.

You won’t find me defending Islam, but to suggest a nuclear strike that would kill jihadist and non-jihadist alike, babies and old women, is monstrous and should rightfully be considered a war crime. You are talking about a preemptive nuclear strike based on nothing more than a religion.

I understand your frustration, but what you are suggesting is so utterly lacking in humanity that the US would never again have the moral authority to lead the world. We would be a pariah and God would curse this country.

You call it cowardice for the US not to take such action. I think that it is cowardice and a lack of faith and utter arrogance to presume that we could incinerate hundreds of thousands or millions of innocents because they are different than we are. You lack faith that the ideas of freedom and liberty are ideals that all men share and strive for and that we cannot hope to persuade by our example, but must instead annihilate any dissenters. It wasn’t that long ago that Afghanistan had the most educated women in the Muslim world. Why couldn’t it be that way again? Have a little faith.

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Mark Levin shares blame in this. He has blood on his hands as he is one of those who has been pushing this Islamic Nation Building with it’s Petraeus winning Islamic Hearts-and-Minds anti-American stupidity, and all this is the direct result of this. THE DIRECT RESULT! Levin can not logically, nor morally, complain about symptoms from a disease that he promoted.

VorDaj

I think he had something to do with WTC 7 too.

xblade on February 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM

littlekittie: “We need to be out of there. What a waste of our service men and service women’s lives. They have died for absolutely nothing. This situation will NEVER be fixed.

We need to get out of there, and let those people spend the rest of eternity hacking each other to death, which is what they do very well.”

This.

The other thing they do is produce heroin. We should have punished them for their support for Al Qaeda and the 9/11 raid by spraying agent orange on all their poppy fields right off.

We refrained because we were winning hearts and minds. What a joke.

Nation-building in Afghanistan was madness from the start.

David Blue on February 27, 2012 at 10:56 PM

You lack faith that the ideas of freedom and liberty are ideals that all men share and strive for

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 10:53 PM

This is a fairy tale. Endearing in a child but very dangerous in a President or a general.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Islam is morally bankrupt as are it’s auxiliaries and enablers. Islam’s enemies are enlightened.

Islam does not teach the same sort of compassion for the other that virtually every other religion including today’s “secular humanism” teaches. Muslims murder and torture each other without compunction and their own ummah, “brotherhood” has no condemnation to offer. That’s because they don’t value individual human life the way Christian westerners do. It’s not a concept in Islam, which means it’s not a concept in Muslims “hearts and minds”. Their hearts and minds instead understand what Allah teaches them in the Koran, namely, the Collective Will to Power.

It is necessary in the end to treat Muslims in the way they themselves understand moral principles. Which ultimately means that they must be beaten back and vanquished and humiliated by a greater strength. That is clearly what they understand. Every move to win their hearts and minds only strengthens them, emboldens them to advance their own peculiar ethics of the world, which couldn’t give a damn about “hearts and minds”, as we understand the term. They will accept the shehada from anyone they can swindle and connive to recite it while at the same time are willing to kill anyone who leaves Islam. Whatever it takes to build the army of Islamic soldiers is what their ethics is about.

There is no way of avoiding the reality that the adults in this world are going to have to act like adults and step up and slap, and in a big way, Muslims who have made of their own societies the equivalent of “Lord of the Flies” and who now threaten to overrun every more advanced society with their mayhem. We’re going to have to come to terms this reality. Either that or it’s simply going to be cruel for all of us, with no kindness in sight, and possibly no one left to come and rescue us off an Island from Hell that in our passivity and cowardice we allowed to be taken over by moral pygmies.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 10:09 PM

I heard this was to be Bush’s original post-9/11 statement, but he decided on “Islam is a religion of peace” instead.

profitsbeard on February 27, 2012 at 10:59 PM

I think he had something to do with WTC 7 too.

xblade on February 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM

With resort to that nonsense you all but signed a confession that you can not defend him. It would have been better if you had remained silent.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM

No, I expect you to admit that you have no evidence to support the tin foil hat conspiracy that you put forth.

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:00 PM

I heard this was to be Bush’s original post-9/11 statement, but he decided on “Islam is a religion of peace” instead.

profitsbeard on February 27, 2012 at 10:59 PM

And some here on hotair promote Clueless Condi Rice, his brain on this, for VP.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 11:03 PM

The other thing they do is produce heroin. We should have punished them for their support for Al Qaeda and the 9/11 raid by spraying agent orange on all their poppy fields right off.

David Blue on February 27, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Ay-MEN! Drop leaflets giving them a 1-year warning to stop growing poppies, promise rewards to those who obey and ruin on those who don’t.

Then follow through on it. Airdrop foodstuffs and medicine to the peasants who heeded the warnings, and spray the fields of those who didn’t until they can’t even grow dandelions.

Rinse, wash, repeat until the majority of them get a clue or run out of farming space. When the lace-panty brigade starts wailing about how awful we are, simply tell them “Those plants are used to make chemicals that turn people into drug zombies and the money is used to buy bombs and guns to kill those they don’t poison. Sod off.”

MelonCollie on February 27, 2012 at 11:05 PM

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 7:13 PM
That’s right. Only the Lord Jesus Christ can change the hearts and minds of people. Much respect for bluefox for speaking the truth.

apocalypse on February 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM

That website I’ve had bookmarked for a couple of years and enjoy it. KJV only for me, tho:-)

We are fighting these wars with the wrong weapons.

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Of course this has been a gigantic waste of time and money. I knew we would lose the minute our arrogant illiterate-to-history no-military-experience lawyer politicians tried to “democratize” and “nation build” that rat trap.

Those stone-age cave dwelling tribal subhumans over there have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. They have never contributed anything to the advancement of humanity, and never will. They are of zero strategic value to the U.S. or the West. Let the Taliban and the muslim terrorists go back to controlling that “nation”. Let them rebuild their training camps. Fly drones over the entire area 24/7 and carpet bomb any targets of opportunity in perpetuity. Good practice for our pilots.

AttaBoyLuther on February 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM

You mean fiesty like killing 3000+ of our innocent countrymen while they are sitting at their desks? That kind of fiesty?

Yah…burn em all down.

MooCowBang on February 27, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Those were Saudis. But don’t let geography interfere with your geopolitics I say!

zarathustra on February 27, 2012 at 11:13 PM

This is a fairy tale. Endearing in a child but very dangerous in a President or a general.

Because using force has been so successful in Afghanistan and Iraq. I am sorry you think it’s naive. However, the course of action that you propose would be carried out by other men and women on your behalf. I say this because I presume that by typing this here that you exempt yourself personally from the cowardice label. I wonder if you would have the courage of your convictions though? Could you go through an Afghan village and look children in the eye as you shoot them in the head at point blank range? Please explain how this is less humane than incinerating them or giving them cancer and radiation sickness and causing birth defects in the following generations. I am sure that you fancy yourself a realist, but you are just another nihilist and you are either a monster or a coward of the highest order.

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:14 PM

We are fighting these wars with the wrong weapons.

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 11:06 PM

We agree on this. You might ask yourself if Mr. Levin feels the same way.

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM

MelonCollie on February 27, 2012 at 10:40 PM

As I said, playing you bots for fools.
And you’re living proof of it.

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 11:18 PM

As I said, playing us chickenhawk bots for fools.
And we’re living proof of it.

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 11:18 PM

FTFY.

MelonCollie on February 27, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Mark Levin shares blame in this. He has blood on his hands as he is one of those who has been pushing this Islamic Nation Building with it’s Petraeus winning Islamic Hearts-and-Minds anti-American stupidity, and all this is the direct result of this. THE DIRECT RESULT! Levin can not logically, nor morally, complain about symptoms from a disease that he promoted.

VorDaj

I do agree with this, however.

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Newt is the only candidate with Americas priorities in the right place. He was the first candidate to defend the troops and publicly chastise Obama’s apology.

In comparison, Romney is bragging about how many Detroit cars he owns and Santorum is fear-mongering about Satan.

Newt is definitely the adult in the room and the only one capable of being President.

Go Newt!

Sparky5253 on February 27, 2012 at 11:36 PM

MelonCollie on February 27, 2012 at 11:22 PM

You know, paulbot, one of these gays you might have the guts to call someone a “chickenhawk” to their face – and you’re going to pay a heavy price for it.
You’re much safer saying it on your computer.

(Just a little advice)

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Could you go through an Afghan village and look children in the eye as you shoot them in the head at point blank range?

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Are you nuts? How about this – you speak for yourself and I will speak for myself, without either of us “interpreting” what the other one said.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Congratulations! You made it through a post without mentioning Levin! Maybe you are capable of an original thought.

Did you ever find any evidence of Romney and Paul colluding? Please try not to begin your response with “Mark Levin said…”

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 7:55 PM

I have many original thoughts. Before I even heard Levin’s 2/23/12 program, I had already posted on a couple of HA threads about this and with links that were out at that time.

Since that time more and more people have commented on this pattern that can’t be a coincidence any longer. I don’t expect for Paul & Romney to have a joint press conference admitting to this of course. But there is enough out there that can’t be denied.

By the way, Levin spent two hours not on this alliance, but on R Paul’s past and Romney’s; in their own words. This revealed information that wasn’t out there as far as I knew. Two men that are not what they portray themselves to be.

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 11:39 PM

“…days…”

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Internet tough guy alert!

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:40 PM

I am sure that you fancy yourself a realist, but you are just another nihilist and you are either a monster or a coward of the highest order.

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:14 PM

You are crazy.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 11:40 PM

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 7:44 PM
We’re talking about flip-flops here. I’m trying to understand why you’d put much stock in an overnight, sudden conversion of a desperate candidate who is less popular than Mussolini.
Actually, if his spin on-a-dime 180 were sincere, that would probably be even more troubling. Being erratic and unstable on a day-by-day basis on major issues isn’t an endearing quality in a politician.

whatcat on February 27, 2012 at 7:57 PM

I reject your premise and description and distortion of facts.

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 11:41 PM

I do agree with this, however.

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Well that would have made my whole day but alas, a moment was all I could spare.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 11:45 PM

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:40 PM

How so?

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Flora Duh on February 27, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Good stuff. I’ve found that Truth is offensive to many here on HA also.

I watched this video of Newt last evening. Long but very good and his pointed explanation of what our Country faces was great.

Great website too:

http://electad.com/videos/newt-gingrich-at-first-redeemer-church-in-cumming-georgia-february-26-2012/

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Once again Ron Paul was right. When are you liberals and neocons going to learn.

MoreLiberty on February 27, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Ron Paul has wrong motives and they are not in the best interest of the U.S.

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Subsunk on February 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM

This was the original post that I commented on as subsunk was advocating a retaliatory genocide using nukes. Since you responded favorably, I assumed you shared his position on the justice of our killing “millions” of Muslims. If I was mistaken, I apologize.

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:49 PM

General Allen would not be worrying about anything now if Patton was still alive as Patton would already have had him shot.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 9:01 PM

LOL They threw the mold away after Patton!!

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Mark Levin shares blame in this. He has blood on his hands as he is one of those who has been pushing this Islamic Nation Building with it’s Petraeus winning Islamic Hearts-and-Minds anti-American stupidity, and all this is the direct result of this. THE DIRECT RESULT! Levin can not logically, nor morally, complain about symptoms from a disease that he promoted.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 9:10 PM

You are going to have a lot of lihks to prove those accusations.

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Hang in there Newt…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on February 27, 2012 at 7:14 PM

(didn’t see you today….but we had you covered on the 1st page…:)

KOOLAID2 on February 27, 2012 at 11:57 PM

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 10:11 PM
You expect ronpaul to admit that he’s just another crooked, hypocritical politician; and not your pure as the driven snow savior? Why, that would shatter your little dream world and cut off the money-spigot that runs from the wallets of the paulbots to ronpaul’s retirement account.
Ronpaul is nothing more than a racist, anti-semitic, hypocritical, fascist phony — and he’s playing you bots for fools.

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Thank you. You’ve heard the expression, like father, like son? Well, like Ron Paul, like Ron Paul supporters.

See bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:04 AM

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:49 PM

I suppose I could look at his comment again, but I don’t recall seeing genocide there.

VorDaj on February 28, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Ronpaul is nothing more than a racist, anti-semitic, hypocritical, fascist phony — and he’s playing you bots for fools.

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Thank you. You’ve heard the expression, like father, like son? Well, like Ron Paul, like Ron Paul supporters.

See bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Did you really just call all Ron Paul supporters racist, hypocritical anti-semitic and fascist? You are ignorant and beyond the pale.

iwasbornwithit on February 28, 2012 at 12:11 AM

I think he had something to do with WTC 7 too.

xblade on February 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM
With resort to that nonsense you all but signed a confession that you can not defend him. It would have been better if you had remained silent.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 11:00 PM

VorDaj, you’re last sentence reminded me of this:

“Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding” Proverbs 17:28

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:11 AM

We are fighting these wars with the wrong weapons.

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 11:06 PM
We agree on this. You might ask yourself if Mr. Levin feels the same way.

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Unless you are a Christian, you wouldn’t understand my meaning. Mark Levin is of the Jewish faith, so I wouldn’t know if he would understand what I mean either.

What did you think I meant?

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:14 AM

As I said, playing us chickenhawk bots for fools.
And we’re living proof of it.

Solaratov on February 27, 2012 at 11:18 PM
FTFY.

MelonCollie on February 27, 2012 at 11:22 PM

MelonCollie, with all due respect but I think you are supposed to use the strike feature so as to not distort what Solaratov originally said. We had this happen last week.

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:17 AM

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:11 AM

And your quote reminded me of -

Don Diego: He is a mute.
Esteban: Bueno! Perhaps he can give lessons to my wife.

VorDaj on February 28, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Aside from everything else, dhimmitude is revolting.

In other words this Nagl creep blames America. Petraeus probably does too.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Sickening. Wimps all. Patton was a LEADER. These sit at desks. If I were in the war, I’d want Allen West. I KNOW he’s a leader and a fighter!!

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:20 AM

I suppose I could look at his comment again, but I don’t recall seeing genocide there.

VorDaj on February 28, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Any soul searching about killing millions of Muslims to achieve this must be weighed against the millions of Westerners who will certainly die over the next 40 yrs from Muslim conquest which will make World War II look like a Sunday school picnic….. The Russian front was child’s play compared to what they have planned for the West and for Israel.

I don’t care what you think of the lack of Human Kindness in this plan. I seem to be all out of sympathy for the Religion of Perpetual Outrage. There is a point at which rabid dogs can only be put down. We may not be there yet, but we are no more than one step away…..

So he didn’t say “genocide” but I don’t know what killing millions indiscriminately could be called otherwise.

iwasbornwithit on February 28, 2012 at 12:21 AM

iwasbornwithit on February 27, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Meloncollie’s intent was to distort what I said. This is, however, typical of paulbots.
It’s just one more reason to not take them seriously.

Solaratov on February 28, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Newt is definitely the adult in the room and the only one capable of being President.

Go Newt!

Sparky5253 on February 27, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Isn’t that the truth!!! I’m so tired of the wimps and the politically correct crowd!!

Go Newt/West!!!!

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Solaratov on February 28, 2012 at 12:21 AM

And you post comments with zero evidence to back them up. What does that make you?

iwasbornwithit on February 28, 2012 at 12:27 AM

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:04 AM
Did you really just call all Ron Paul supporters racist, hypocritical anti-semitic and fascist? You are ignorant and beyond the pale.

iwasbornwithit on February 28, 2012 at 12:11 AM

I have found your comments and other R Paul supporters to be against anyone and everyone except R Paul. You attack every other Candidate and distort their records and or what they say. Then if that’s not enough, you assign motives to what they do say or do. You belittle other posters here if they are not R Paul supporters. You tear down others, instead of promoting anything that you would have that is positive about R Paul.

Ron Paul is a Libertarian Anarchist and anyone that supports him must agree with him. I would never support him as I’m a Conservative and support those that have this Country’s best interest at heart and it’s not R Paul.

If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn’t fit, then remove it.

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:36 AM

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:11 AM
And your quote reminded me of -

Don Diego: He is a mute.
Esteban: Bueno! Perhaps he can give lessons to my wife.

VorDaj on February 28, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Not familiar with Don Diego being a mute. But I’ve seen and heard Esteban!!

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:45 AM

iwasbornwithit on February 28, 2012 at 12:27 AM

And you make accusations with nothing to back them up. What does that make you?

Of course, you paulbots may be used to doing that sort of thing over at Stormfront – so you may just not know any better.

Solaratov on February 28, 2012 at 12:46 AM

I don’t give a sh## if it’s Paul or Gingrich; anyone who talks about bringing back a more isolationist foreign policy is good for conservatism and good for the GOP. The hawks can shut the f up and go slink away; they’ve wasted enough American lives and raised enough debt on Middle Eastern wars in Muslim hellholes. Bring back a Robert Taft foreign policy.

letoile du nord on February 28, 2012 at 1:00 AM

So he didn’t say “genocide” but I don’t know what killing millions indiscriminately could be called otherwise.

iwasbornwithit on February 28, 2012 at 12:21 AM

I don’t see “indiscriminately” there either. He seemed to be weighing (soul searching as he put it) what he sees, and not unreasonably, as a choice between millions of westerners dying versus millions of muslims dying and he choose between those two the later. That would also be my choice between the two.

VorDaj on February 28, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Not familiar with Don Diego being a mute. But I’ve seen and heard Esteban!!

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Don Diego was referring to his man servant being a mute.

VorDaj on February 28, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Bring back a Robert Taft foreign policy.

letoile du nord on February 28, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Or a Ronald Reagan foreign policy.

“Our experience in Lebanon led to the adoption by the administration of a set of principles to guide America in the application of military force abroad, and I would recommend it to future Presidents. The policy we adopted included these principles:
1. The United States should not commit its forces to military action overseas unless the cause is vital to our national interest.
2. If the decision is made to commit our forces to combat abroad, it must be done with the clear intent and support needed to win. It should not be a halfway or tentative commitment, and there must be clearly defined and realistic objectives.
3. Before we commit our troops to combat, there must be reasonable assurance that the cause we are fighting for and the actions we take will have the support of the American people and Congress.
4. Even after all these other tests are met, our troops should be committed to combat abroad only as a last resort, when no other choice is available.” – Ronald Reagan

VorDaj on February 28, 2012 at 1:14 AM

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 12:45 AM
Don Diego was referring to his man servant being a mute.

VorDaj on February 28, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Oh, I see.

I think Ronald Reagan’s Foreign Policy was a good guide. 100% better than we have now which violates all of R.R.

bluefox on February 28, 2012 at 2:09 AM

I see we’re calling folks chickenhawks again. Proud one here.

hawkdriver on February 28, 2012 at 5:59 AM

Damn Straight.

ironked on February 28, 2012 at 7:10 AM

The bottom line is that this nation is not designed to be in a perpetual state of warfare. We’ve been in Afghanistan for a decade with no appreciable results. The Afghanis are as likely to form an alliance with the Taliban as they are to fight them. Eff them, bring the troops home. Too much blood and treasure has been spent helping these ungrateful animals. Not one more American life should be lost in Afghanistan not one more American dollar spent in helping these bastards.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2012 at 7:56 AM

The place should have been bombed to oblivion.
We should not have been there trying to save these people.
You can’t save people who do not want to be saved.
islamic nations are un-savable.
It really is us versus them.
That’s how THEY want it.
So we can oblige them with bombs.
Eff with-bomb.
It really should be that simple.
This nation building is a waste of time.
You look how we have tried to ‘help’ the Native Americans.
I realize we screwed them over many times.
But many of them don’t have a culture conducive to what we have in our Republic.
There are people all over who want to be slaves.
Let them be if they wish & help the ones you know want what you have.

Badger40 on February 28, 2012 at 8:14 AM

And BTW- I was never indicating Native Americans want to be slaves.
That was sorta out of context there.

Badger40 on February 28, 2012 at 8:15 AM

So he didn’t say “genocide” but I don’t know what killing millions indiscriminately could be called otherwise.

iwasbornwithit on February 28, 2012 at 12:21 AM

A. It isn’t indiscriminate at all. Muslims have been warned that they are playing with fire and need to clean up their act. They have gone farther down the path of “genocide” against infidels than we have down the path against their religion.

B. My premise is that we leave and for every single attack carried out against us we respond with a massively disproportional attack. You are correct that I care not for a single innocent Muslim life when thousands of innocent Christian lives have already been forfeited to Islam in just the last 5 years. It isn’t “genocide”. It is massive retaliation of the same kind we and the Soviets planned from 1958 until 2000. There wasn’t a lot of concern over genocide conducted as part of nuclear war in the last half century.

C. I am sure I would have a hard time looking some mother in the eye and shooting her in the head. I’m not proposing to do that. Islam has had adequate warning. Once the nuclear device is exploded in NYC by their co religionists, you will be one of the first in line demanding nuclear retaliation against the entire Muslim world. “The Hell this ain’t the most important foxhole in the world… I’m in it!” will be the mantra of the day.

D. Muslims only respect strength and intimidation. Point to one example in their culture of respect for restraint and free speech. If you claim there is such an example, you are a Liar. Until you decide that Christian values and respect for Life is more important than drawing pictures of Mohammed and beheading UN workers and soldiers in retaliation is barbarism, then you really don’t understand what the world is about. Grow up and look at the results of Islam’s onslaught. It is either you or them. I’m voting for myself and my family and my country over them because the alternative is massive death and slavery of the worst sort if they prevail. And that isn’t the wrong position….

Subsunk

Subsunk on February 28, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Excellent commentary. But you should have told them to go p*ss up a rope like you once told someone here some 4 years ago who had the same basic philosophy towards this ‘Islamic Nation Building” that you now have.

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 9:57 PM

The country had popularly decided that we had to try to change Islam in order to prevent just such a “genocide” that he/shewhowasbornwithit is so adamant that we not allow. We had to try nation building, or simply accept that the next time we received such an attack as 9-11 we would respond with massive bombing. We tried. We failed. Not our fault. Islam’s fault.

4 years ago, I think we have to give it a try. Now, with a President who has no intention of winning…EVER… I don’t think we can afford to waste young Men’s lives for nothing. The only alternative is to make sure Muslims suffer massively after these attacks to change their behavior. Positive feedback isn’t the only way to change behavior. Negative feedback works quite well also. Fear is a great motivator. When they fear us, they will stop killing us for nothing…… and that is most assuredly what they are doing now. Killing us for no reason.

Subsunk

Subsunk on February 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM

We’ve become bogged down in a strategy formulated by the State Department and in effect since Obama took office and put Hillary in charge.

Executing plans crafted by the DoS, which the military is then responsible for executing, is not a military battle plan. Nor is it anything resembling the vestiges of the last President’s policies.

While there are certainly military issues, last I checked, we were not having issues killing our enemies in A-stan.

What we have issues with is a feckless DoS and useless Afghan Government and unachievable, ethereal, feel-good goals ultimately the responsibility of Mr. Obama.

In the meantime, good men are dying due to grotesque incompetence and a dearth of Executive leadership unparallelled in our history.

You might want to remember that next time you author a tome that uses this as a some type of Primary wedge issue.

Marcus Traianus on February 28, 2012 at 10:16 AM

I agree that there is nothing that we can do to save those savages from each other and we should just get the hell out of there. I was a supporter for quite a long time but now see it as a useless waste of blood and treasure. We should totally get everyone out and leave behind a stash of tactical nukes that will not work anywhere except within their own borders and put them in the center of the country and let them all know where they are. Muslims from all countries would gather there and the fighting would ensue to get their hands on the weapons not knowing that they would detonate if brought close to the border but could be used against one another inside the country. World calipheat problem solved.

jistincase on February 28, 2012 at 10:48 AM

You want the whole story on AfP? Read Ghost War by Steve Coll. CIA’s involvement beginning at the Soviet invasion through September 10, 2001. What an eye-opener!

jb34461 on February 28, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Nuke the rag heads and if they try to come back, nuke them again. It’s that simple. Why stay there when we can wipe them all out in just a few minutes.

rjulio on February 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Subsunk on February 28, 2012 at 9:22 AM

So you asked yourself, “WWJD?” and this is the response you came up with? Doesn’t really seem to jive with His message to date.

iwasbornwithit on February 28, 2012 at 12:08 PM

So you asked yourself, “WWJD?” and this is the response you came up with? Doesn’t really seem to jive with His message to date.

iwasbornwithit on February 28, 2012 at 12:08 PM

No it doesn’t. Neither does allowing myself and my family to be exterminated to satisfy the jihadi’s desire to kill me. Why don’t you turn the other cheek while I subscribe to the “God helps those who help themselves” position…..

Subsunk

Subsunk on February 28, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Subsunk on February 28, 2012 at 1:11 PM

I am not the one that is invoking “Christianity vs. Islam” as a justifiable pretext for a nuclear strike. But at least your honest.

iwasbornwithit on February 28, 2012 at 1:20 PM

iwasbornwithit on February 28, 2012 at 1:20 PM

The pretext for nuclear strikes is WMD homicidal attacks on Western civilization just because we are Westerners. Otherwise, lacking the WMD connection, carpet bombing with conventional bombs suits me just fine. But the retaliation should be disproportional. That is what stops further attacks. When they and their entire civilization and maybe even their precious religion, is subject to extermination, as we are now, maybe they will stop and become civilized. If they don’t, they can die.

Yes, I am honest. I wish Muslims were also honest and were not homicidal jihadis. But they are, as a general rule, or they support homicide attacks against us JUST BECAUSE we are infidels. That garners no sympathy from me or much of the Western world. You may not hear about us because we do our jobs and suffer the stupidity of fools like you in silence. We can be pushed too far, however. Islam is on the threshold of that straw that broke the camel’s back. I don’t feel a lot of hope that they will change for the better. So, tough……

We can want the world to be different. Wishing doesn’t make it so.

Subsunk

Subsunk on February 28, 2012 at 1:35 PM

You do realize that there are over 1 billion Muslims in the world, right? So when you say “they” and you are talking about Islam, and not a particular country, I don’t think you understand what it would take to “exterminate” Islam.

Yours is an emotional response, not a strategic one. As you know, Muslim extremists, including Al-Quaeda, know no international borders. So if Al-Quaeda hit us again, who would we bomb? All of the Muslim world? Just the countries of origin of the homicide bombers (if that were even known)?

FWIW, I don’t have a problem with a disproportionate response as long as we can sufficiently identify who the perpetrators are. If you only nuke Afghanistan for instance, you don’t think that a vast number of Muslims would take up arms against the US? Are we going to nuke everyone? Do you think that we could get away with that vis a vis China, Russia, our allies and even nuclear-armed Pakistan. I think that my primary problem lies in perhaps a misunderstanding of who you consider “they”. It seems to me like you are suggesting that all of Islam is the “they”. Correct me if I am wrong.

iwasbornwithit on February 28, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Let this be my explanation….

Subsunk

Subsunk on February 28, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Trust me. I know what I’m talking about when the discussion leads to extermination of over 1 billion people. Just what do you think the Cold War nuclear deterrent was all about?

The Soviet Union was not one monolithic group of people, although with the totalitarian leadership in place, how would any of us ever know the difference? Similarly, when every word out of Muslims’ mouths is “Death to America, Death to Israel”, exactly how would you know the difference between those who truly want to torture, maim, and exterminate you, and those who are merely very tolerant of that sentiment…..

There ARE no moderate voices in Islam yet. When there are, then the discussions can begin. Until there are, massive retaliation and confinement of Islam into its own place in the smallest available portions of the world is the only solution to OUR extermination as a civilization. Either accept that death and violence is going to be the way of the future, and fight for your own existence, or Islam will dominate and destroy all Western civilization in favor of slavery for us indfidels.

Subsunk

Subsunk on February 28, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Ok Ron Paul is an isolationist..
sadsushi on February 27, 2012 at 7:09 PM

This is just proof that you don’t know what you are talking about, are probably too stupid to check the facts, and enjoy repeating a lie.

Ron Paul is not an isolationist. He supports international trade, he is against US militarism, forcing our will upon foreign sovereign states, and illegal US wars.

woodNfish on February 28, 2012 at 4:07 PM

VorDaj on February 27, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Succinct…I hope Western Civilization wakes up to this reality sooner rather than later or my Grand Children (should I have any) will be in a fight that will make WW II look like an elementary playground tussle.

RedLizard64 on February 28, 2012 at 5:06 PM

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 7:13 PM

That’s right. Only the Lord Jesus Christ can change the hearts and minds of people. Much respect for bluefox for speaking the truth.

apocalypse on February 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM

That website I’ve had bookmarked for a couple of years and enjoy it. KJV only for me, tho :-)

bluefox on February 27, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I like http://www.biblegateway.com too and pleased you prefer the 1611 KJV. If you don’t have a King James Bible, you don’t have a Bible!

We are fighting these wars with the wrong weapons.

Amen! We need to be converting these nations with the Gospel. Well done bluefox.

apocalypse on February 28, 2012 at 7:12 PM

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