Catholic bishop warns HHS mandate will mean an end to Catholic hospitals, clinics, charities

posted at 12:10 pm on February 27, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Will Catholic bishops eventually drop their objections to the HHS mandate and comply, even though it would require them to fund and facilitate access to contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients like IUDs and “ella” that violate their deeply-held doctrines on the sanctity of life?  Not according to Francis Cardinal George, archbishop of Barack Obama’s home town of Chicago.  In a missive to parishioners on the first Sunday of Lent, Cardinal George warns that the Catholic Church will shut down its hospitals, clinics, and charities before submitting to the mandate — and provides a little history lesson as well:

What will happen if the HHS regulations are not rescinded? A Catholic institution, so far as I can see right now, will have one of four choices: 1) secularize itself, breaking its connection to the church, her moral and social teachings and the oversight of its ministry by the local bishop. This is a form of theft. It means the church will not be permitted to have an institutional voice in public life. 2) Pay exorbitant annual fines to avoid paying for insurance policies that cover abortifacient drugs, artificial contraception and sterilization. This is not economically sustainable. 3) Sell the institution to a non-Catholic group or to a local government. 4) Close down. …

Since 1915, the Catholic bishops of the United States have taught that basic health care should be accessible to all in a just society. Two years ago, we asked that whatever instruments were crafted to care for all, the Hyde and Weldon and Church amendments restricting funding for abortion and respecting institutional conscience continue to be incorporated into law. They were excluded. As well, the present health care reform act doesn’t cover entire sections of the U.S. population. It is not universal.

The provision of health care should not demand “giving up” religious liberty. Liberty of religion is more than freedom of worship. Freedom of worship was guaranteed in the Constitution of the former Soviet Union. You could go to church, if you could find one. The church, however, could do nothing except conduct religious rites in places of worship-no schools, religious publications, health care institutions, organized charity, ministry for justice and the works of mercy that flow naturally from a living faith. All of these were co-opted by the government. We fought a long cold war to defeat that vision of society.

The strangest accusation in this manipulated public discussion has the bishops not respecting the separation between church and state. The bishops would love to have the separation between church and state we thought we enjoyed just a few months ago, when we were free to run Catholic institutions in conformity with the demands of the Catholic faith, when the government couldn’t tell us which of our ministries are Catholic and which not, when the law protected rather than crushed conscience. The state is making itself into a church. The bishops didn’t begin this dismaying conflict nor choose its timing. We would love to have it ended as quickly as possible. It’s up to the government to stop the attack.

Insofar as advocates of the mandate insist that Catholic bishops are out of touch with their own congregations, Cardinal George exposes this as a big non-sequitur:

Practically, we’re told that the majority of Catholics use artificial contraception. There are properly medical reasons, in some circumstances, for the use of contraceptive pills, as everyone knows. But even if contraceptives were used by a majority of couples only and exclusively to suppress a possible pregnancy, behavior doesn’t determine morality. If it can be shown that a majority of Catholic students cheat on their exams, it is still wrong to cheat on exams. Trimming morality to how we behave guts the Gospel call to conversion of life and rejection of sin.

Theoretically, it is argued that there are Catholic voices that disagree with the teaching of the church and therefore with the bishops. There have always been those whose personal faith is not adequate to the faith of the church. Perhaps this is the time for everyone to re-read the Acts of the Apostles. Bishops are the successors of the apostles; they collectively receive the authority to teach and govern that Christ bestowed upon the apostles. Bishops don’t claim to speak for every baptized Catholic. Bishops speak, rather, for the Catholic and apostolic faith. Those who hold that faith gather with them; others go their own way. They are and should be free to do so, but they deceive themselves and others in calling their organizations Catholic.

Although Cardinal George doesn’t spell this out, this is the crux of the difference between the church and the Obama administration.  Membership in the Catholic Church is voluntary, as is employment in their extended organizations like schools, hospitals, and the like.  If people don’t like the teachings of the church or want to work for an employer willing to give them contraception at no expense, they are free to seek those associations as they like.  Obama and his HHS want to force Catholic organizations to accept the administration doctrine on contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients, and force Catholic organizations to fund and facilitate access to them — by declaring which organizations the church runs to be authentically religious and which are not, an arrogance without precedent in the US, although certainly precedents in other political models abound, as Cardinal George points out.

The church may have to demonstrate the proper jurisdiction for that designation, George warns, if the government insists on forcing religious organizations to violate their own principles:

If you haven’t already purchased the Archdiocesan Directory for 2012, I would suggest you get one as a souvenir. On page L-3, there is a complete list of Catholic hospitals and health care institutions in Cook and Lake counties. Each entry represents much sacrifice on the part of medical personnel, administrators and religious sponsors. Each name signifies the love of Christ to people of all classes and races and religions. Two Lents from now, unless something changes, that page will be blank.

Catholics may be giving up some luxuries for Lent, but the bishops aren’t giving up this fight.  They seem ready to make this a weekly battle with the Obama administration, and willing to escalate it to the point of closing doors and stopping services, a move that will make the issue acute in many of the areas where Obama normally would draw his most fervent support.

Update: A lot of people in the comments and on Twitter think that closing the Catholic institutions is what Obama has in mind, in order to make people more dependent on government.  Possibly, but the outcome will mean skyrocketing spending and angering a lot of people who will find out just how limited government intervention actually is.  Sounds like one of those ivory-tower solutions that always succeed in theory … kind of like Obamanomics.


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My ex-husband, brother, and the Spawn were all born @ the same suburban Cook County Catholic Hospital. My father died in that same hospital’s hospice in late 2001.
St.********* does great work…God’s work.
If St. ********** is forced to close…

annoyinglittletwerp on February 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM

So yes in some circles ED is treated as a medical condition and the catholic church has no issue paying for those drugs…

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

You are still making a claim without any evidence. Regardless, ED drugs would not violate the conscience of the Catholic church. Your point is specious. Ed covered that, but you ignored that part of his post because it was inconvenient to your specious argument.

NotCoach on February 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Interesting how Obama can bully Catholic institutions to actively subsidize what they view as seriously immoral behavior like abortion pills, but when Muslims start killing because some words printed on paper were burned he apologizes.

Because of all the beer drinking I’d say Obama is not a good, practicing Muslim. He’s definitely the Islamchurian candidate.

John Reece

kd6rxl on February 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM

canopfor on February 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM
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Great, just what we need. A war criminal running for high public office (just ask the Vietnamese).

Happy Nomad on February 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Happy Nomad:Good point,Headlines has it up!:)

canopfor on February 27, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Will Catholic bishops eventually drop their objections to the HHS mandate and comply, even though it would require them to fund and facilitate access to contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients like IUDs and “ella” that violate their deeply-held doctrines on the sanctity of life? 

They are not being forced to do anything. They can choose not to offer health coverage and let all of their employees go onto Obamacare. But where was all of this objection when these same bishops if memory serves me correct when they supported Obamacare in the first place. It was fine to rob one person to pay for the health care of another when it didn’t impede upon their religious sensibility. No that they have been hoisted up by their own petard they are outraged.

ReformedDeceptiCon on February 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM

I think Benito Obama would prefer the Catholic Church to just unwillingly comply, with the fallback option that public anger would turn against the church instead of him once they start shuttering doors.

Of course, he’ll either be voted out or reelected to a final term, so the fallout wouldn’t matter to him either way.

The Count on February 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM

We should be concerned about the Liberal/Democrat contempt for the separation of Church and State. Democrats actually want to replace the Church with the State.

Blue Collar Todd on February 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

you’re right. It is the pagan view of the government. The government is the highest authority in the land, it is responsible to no one, not God, and thus can dictate on all issues, economic, religious, morality etc.—merely by edict.

ted c on February 27, 2012 at 12:39 PM

To be clearer, Obama’s church under Rev. Wright is a Black Liberation church. Their agenda is primarily to repace White people. To do this they have to replace both the white people’s church and the white people’s state.

Liberal/secular theology is to turn the state into their church.

Islamic theology is to turn their church into the state.

See how all this converges right now and allies are found between the liberals and islamists and the racists from within the circle of enemies?

If this was a white-people agenda behind all this it would be deemed racist and deemed a hate crime.

Lawrence on February 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Blinding flash of the obvious here, this is the plan behind Obamacare. Create a demand the health system can’t handle, collapse the health care industry, the government provides health care for all unless you are sick. Then the death panel will decide your life isn’t worth the expense. Cardinal George wasn’t paying attention.

TulsAmerican on February 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Let’s not forget the other front they’re fighting on. If they can convince SCOTUS to “compromise” and strike down the individual mandate, but leave the balance of zerocare in place, that will destroy private insurers as well.

Lost in Jersey on February 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM

The Catholic Church was OK with O’care back when. That forces me to do things I object to that have nothing to do with abortion. I am Catholic and oppose abortion, but “the Church” somehow forgot my rights as a citizen. Now it is upset its rights are subverted.

WELCOME TO THE CLUB.

65droptop on February 27, 2012 at 12:50 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Ed, I appreciate you keeping us informed on this issue, and I know that you are Catholic, but the position taken by the Obama Administration is not just anti-Catholic. Evangelical Protestants are strongly opposed to abortion. And while most evangelicals don’t oppose non-abortive forms of birth control, that is only with regard to married couples. Evangelicals are opposed to sexual activity outside of marriage. I’m not talking about imposing evangelical morality on others, but neither should government impose its morality (or immorality) on people of faith.

Providing birth control, abortifacients, and outright abortion to one and all at no expense is in effect encouraging people to engage in immoral and irresponsible behavior with the false sense that there are “no consequences”. Why should any business owner have to pay for services that encourages and facilitates participation in activities that are contrary to their beliefs?

No Catholic or Protestant institution should be pressured by the government to support or engage in activities that are in conflict with their beliefs.

But more importantly, no business owner should be required to participate in programs that are in conflict with his/her beliefs. And no individual should be required to have a health insurance policy that automatically includes coverage for treatments that conflict with his/her beliefs.

Politically, this may be seen primarily as an attack on the Catholic Church, but in reality it is primarily an attack on the religious freedom of individual Americans. Even if the administration eventually offers a permanent exclusion to Churches and Church related institutions, individual believers will still have their religious freedom abrogated and that is unacceptable if we want to remain a free people.

Ordinary American on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Catholics have been in bed with the democrats for over 40 years. They supported obama care. They have turned a blind eye to the democrat abortion agenda. You can’t be catholic and support the democrat agenda of abortion, to include late term and infanticide! Maybe now the Church will wake up and see obama for what he really is, a Dictator and socialist!

vietvet68 on February 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Why is the catholic church ok with supporting via.gra for male employees but are not ok with supporting birth control for female employees?

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Why do you care about the policies of the Catholic church? Unless a law is passed that forces you to become a practicing Catholic, it’s really none of your business. Church membership is voluntary as is working for a Catholic employer. Don’t like their policies? Hit the road.

Wendya on February 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

You are officially on the record as supporting married men determining what is good for women.

tom daschle concerned on February 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM

They are not being forced to do anything. They can choose not to offer health coverage and let all of their employees go onto Obamacare.

ReformedDeceptiCon on February 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Technically illegal. ObamaCare requires employers to provide HC insurance based on the number of employees they have. Any hospital is going to have enough employees to require compliance. This may be the conscientious choice though for many Catholic organizations. However, they will be fined and the MSM will unleash their hacktastic attack dogs upon them for making that choice.

NotCoach on February 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

You’re a libdud … and, you’re just lying. Women are free to buy whatever they want. According to the left, 98% already do.

darwin on February 27, 2012 at 12:55 PM

ED
I KNOW YOUR BUSY, PLEASE LOOK AT SCHOOL SHOOTING THREAD, WE NEED THE TRASH TAKEN OUT!

angrymike on February 27, 2012 at 12:55 PM

It isn’t that Team Obama is alarmed by the prospect of the Catholic hospitals going out of business, of course. But humans really aren’t smart enough to induce these bad things on a short, tactical timeline, through brilliant indirection. There is simply no evidence of that from history.

We’re seeing the results of the Obama administration’s adherence to ideological certainties.

And I don’t doubt that many in the administration have a predatory instinct about the people, wanting to keep us like farm animals, fed, controlled, and productive in a manner prescribed by a governing class.

But the pins falling day after day in the Obama tenure were set up to wobble decades ago, with dangerous decisions about what the law means and how much power to cede to the government. A bunch of things many Americans agree with today have brought us to where we are: with the government poised to override everything we still decide for ourselves. Turns out that the people who warned 50, 70, even 100 years ago that this day would come were the ones who were right.

J.E. Dyer on February 27, 2012 at 12:55 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Nobody forces these women to work in a Catholic school or hospital.

Bitter Clinger on February 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Then you are going to be more and more upset. Go back to sleep now, you need to rest, the men are busy working on it while you dream.

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

So make a conscientious choice to not be a Catholic or work for any Catholic organizations. Problem solved.

NotCoach on February 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

But this is what Obama and the Democrats want. They want the religious hospitals to shut down. They are competition with the government that wants to control EVERY aspect of your life.

So don’t think the Democrats will change their minds because the hospitals will close, that is their objective.

Axion on February 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

But the pins falling day after day in the Obama tenure were set up to wobble decades ago, with dangerous decisions about what the law means and how much power to cede to the government. A bunch of things many Americans agree with today have brought us to where we are: with the government poised to override everything we still decide for ourselves. Turns out that the people who warned 50, 70, even 100 years ago that this day would come were the ones who were right.

J.E. Dyer on February 27, 2012 at 12:55 PM

This!!

Bitter Clinger on February 27, 2012 at 12:58 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

as oppossed to married men deciding whats good for women.
I can’t even get my wife to agree with me.

LOL

gerrym51 on February 27, 2012 at 1:01 PM

So yes in some circles ED is treated as a medical condition and the catholic church has no issue paying for those drugs…

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM
You are still making a claim without any evidence. Regardless, ED drugs would not violate the conscience of the Catholic church. Your point is specious. Ed covered that, but you ignored that part of his post because it was inconvenient to your specious argument.

NotCoach on February 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM

…also…on the back of your box…there are a good number of possible side effects. I think you are suffering from most of them. Call a Doctor immediatley!

KOOLAID2 on February 27, 2012 at 1:02 PM

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

I’m a woman-last time I checked, anyway-and I AGREE WITH THEM!
BC is NOT ‘healthcare’. Abortion is infanticide.
Insurance shouldn’t be required to cover either of them.
You wanna spread your legs?
Pay for your OWN protection.
Wanna murder your unborn child?
Pay the killer(s) with your OWN dime!!!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 27, 2012 at 1:02 PM

KOOLAID2 on February 27, 2012 at 1:02 PM

It’s only been 3 hours and 59 minutes. I’m fine.

NotCoach on February 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM

This is just another reason I don’t believe Obama can win in November, no matter who is running against him. The arrogance, with which he trotted out this mandate and then the further arrogance with which he trotted out the “compromise” has annoyed more people than he knows.

This has been a 3 year trek to a record, a record which he will certainly be held accountable for. I actually expect him to try and change this, if nothing else just to improve his chances at re-election, but it won’t work. It’s not what he did as much as how he did it that will be held against him. Just the fact that His Arrogance, will still be in office if he’s re-elected, is enough to get people to vote Republican. Ironically, Obama will have coat-tails because, the congressmen who made a scene about supporting this policy will probably be joining him in the unemployment line. I hope the Democrats enjoyed their trip to being famous, by electing our first black president. Most of us feel they could have found a black man much more qualified than the community organizer, alas they needed someone clean and articulate, not necessarily wise.

bflat879 on February 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Do you support non-gun owners making laws for gun owners?

Non-smokers making laws for smokers?

Non-hunters making laws for hunters?

Non-oil industry executives making laws for the oil industry?

Non-Catholics making laws for Catholics?

itsspideyman on February 27, 2012 at 1:06 PM

It’s only been 3 hours and 59 minutes. I’m fine.

NotCoach on February 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM

LOL!

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 1:07 PM

The main mission of public schools is to hide pedophile teachers and we all have to fund it.

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM
nathor has no problem with pedophilia. It is pretty much amoral.

totally reprobate.

tom daschle concerned on February 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

The vast majority of abuse cases in the Catholic Church are decades old. The Church has dealt with the problem.

Whereas in public schools, teachers molesting students (and sexual abuse by fellow “students” is a growing problem:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/02/is_sexual_abuse_in_schools_very_common_.html

And we are forced to fund public schools. If you don’t like the Catholic Church, don’t contribute to it. Wish I could stop sending my tax dollars to our atrocious public schools.

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 1:08 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 27, 2012 at 1:02 PM

you know i have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.

But i have decided YOU ARE ANNOYING

gerrym51 on February 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM

liberal4life, why are you such as cultural imperialist? Why can’t you celebrate the diversity of different lifestyle choices and beliefs?

RMOccidental on February 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Do you support non-gun owners making laws for gun owners?

Non-smokers making laws for smokers?

Non-hunters making laws for hunters?

Non-oil industry executives making laws for the oil industry?

Non-Catholics making laws for Catholics?

itsspideyman on February 27, 2012 at 1:06 PM

He’s consistent, he wants the criminals in the “Justice Department” enforcing the law against other criminals.

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

You need to let that hole under your nose, have time to heal!
Upset? You’re not yourself today?… I noticed the improvement right away!

KOOLAID2 on February 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM

So yes in some circles ED is treated as a medical condition and the catholic church has no issue paying for those drugs…

liberal for life- I guess you know so much about this because you have to use them

gerrym51 on February 27, 2012 at 1:11 PM

It’s now gotten to the point that any person who takes faith seriously is a hated enemy of the Democrat Party. I never thought the Dems would go that far.

Thank you G-d. Sin darkens the intellect and weakens the will.

theCork on February 27, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Yeah, if a bunch of Catholics started killing people because of this, Obama might apologize to the bishops.

Just like he did with those peaceful Muslims.

Washington Fancy on February 27, 2012 at 1:13 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

And yet you have no problem with another bunch of (married) men determining by Judicial Fiat what is good for a woman (Roe V Wade).
One of the Democrat Justices who decided that case was a legendary Womanizer; he married his 3rd wife (who was young enough to be his granddaughter) when he was 65, and 2 weeks after divorcing her a year later he married another girl the same age.

Thanks for Playing!

Del Dolemonte on February 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM

It’s now gotten to the point that any person who takes faith seriously is a hated enemy of the Democrat Party. I never thought the Dems would go that far.

Not true, this “adminstration” bootlicks Muslims and devotees of Rev. Wright.

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Who exactly is stopping women from using contraception?

Answer: NOBODY.

Dr Evil on February 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Is that really any more egregious than a bunch of man-hating leftist feministas determining what’s good for the average woman?

Wendya on February 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM

gerrym51 on February 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Thank you.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 27, 2012 at 1:17 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

So I guess when a Republican takes office and the HHS Secretary is a Republican, you’re gonna be A-OK with that ONE person determining what is good for you?

Because THAT is how Obamacare is structured – ALL decisions for what will and will not be covered are determined by a single, unelected person.

What if Rick Santorum is chosen to be the next HHS Secretary? Are you gonna be OK with the decisions that someone like him will make for you? (He’s married, BTW)

TeresainFortWorth on February 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM

So yes in some circles ED is treated as a medical condition and the catholic church has no issue paying for those drugs…

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

I’m with Ed on this, I don’t think Church self-insurance covers this.

However if they do… so what? The Church thinks children are a blessing; there’s no secret of that.

theCork on February 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM

It means the church will not be permitted to have an institutional voice in public life.

This is a good thing. The Catholic church doesn’t need an institutional voice in public life; none of the individual protestant churches have ever had one.

ernesto on February 27, 2012 at 1:19 PM

An institution run by unmarried men will always be biased towards women…just saying..

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I am a woman and I am still seething mad that your precious government will deprive me of my CHOICE to decide the type of health insurance policy that will best serve my needs beginning in 2014. I am young and healthy. I have a major medical policy and pay for regular exams out of pocket…happily. You and your totalitarian barking spiderholes will deny me of that choice. I will be forced to pay over $15,000 a year on a policy that covers things that I neither need nor want.

I don’t have to be a member of the Catholic Church. In fact, I am an atheist and no one can imprison me for being a non-believer. In contrast, your “noble, compassionate, unbiased, do-gooder,” holier-than-thou,one-size-fits-all, we-know-better-than-you-peons Leviathan filled with power-hungry apparatchiks” can fine and/or imprison me for not obeying its diktats. It can deprive me of life, liberty, and property. It can even deny me due process now thanks to NDAA (but, hey! Obama legalised bestiality in the military!)

So, listen up. I am sick to death of you and people like you with your silly non sequiturs and red herrings. I am British by birth and know single payer health care. You know unicorn farts. I know the truth about your socialist utopia. You know teddy bears, butterflies, and the USS Good Ship Lollipop. I know capital strikes, debt spirals, debt monetisation, ruinous flaithiúlacht, and feral societies created by welfare states. You know “good intentions.”

I am an American by choice and it pains me greatly to see ignorant rubes like you going hellbent for leather off the cliff when the UK and the rest of Europe are trying to tell you to “Stop! Disaster ahead!”

Catholic hospitals account for 1/6th of the beds in the United States. I hope that the Church closes down all hospitals before it capitulates to the State. The Constitution and freedom are more important than anything and, if that means you are destroyed in the process, then more power to the destroyers.

Resist We Much on February 27, 2012 at 1:19 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Who exactly is stopping women from using contraception?

Answer: NOBODY.

Dr Evil on February 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM

He’s saying if something’s good for you, you have the right to force someone else to pay for it.

Because THAT’S really good!

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I don’t buy it at all. Abandoning their Catholic hospitals would be a dereliction of the catholic duty.

Not to mention that the catholic church and it’s catholic bishops have yet to regain their moral right to dictate reproductive activities to anyone.

=Jerry Sandusky lecturing on the use of contraception.

I just don’t care. Women should be able to have their bc on their medical insurance. It’s not their fault politicians built and employer based health care system.

Boomer_Sooner on February 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM

theCork on February 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM

You obviously haven’t had a teenager yet then, have you?
LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on February 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Hold up there! I didn’t say anything about TEENAGERS! ;)

theCork on February 27, 2012 at 1:23 PM

The Bishops need a weekly address like this to keep up the pressure on Obama. By June or July, the Dems will be shaking in their HHS boots. The Bishops should stop by the homes of top-Catholics Pelosi and Biden and ex-communicate them from the Church.

HoosierStateofMind on February 27, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Update: A lot of people in the comments and on Twitter think that closing the Catholic institutions is what Obama has in mind, in order to make people more dependent on government.

Ed Morrissey on Feb 27, 2012 12:10 PM

Obama is just a puppet that the higher ups use… they want freedom of religion a thing of the past

apocalypse on February 27, 2012 at 1:24 PM

HHS mandate will mean an end to Catholic hospitals, clinics, charities

All part of the plan. Obamacare is awesome!

Harbingeing on February 27, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Resist We Much on February 27, 2012 at 1:19 PM

That was very eloquent!

theCork on February 27, 2012 at 1:25 PM

The Catholic Church is fine with forcing me to buy insurance. They even think it is just dandy/”just” if the State decides what must be included or excluded in that insurance I am forced to buy …. right up until their particular political ox gets gored.

Either Obamacare should be abolished or the Catholic Church should have to eat its poisoned peas right along with the rest of us. The last people who should be getting exemptions from the unconstitutional abomination are the powerful and politically connected.

Let the Catholic Church come out full force against Obamacare. Let them show they understand their religious liberty is dependent on liberty for all of us.

Otherwise they can go straight to Hell.

fadetogray on February 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Ohhhh! I can’t wait for your next argument about how my employer should give me free guns so I can exercise my 2nd Amendment rights.

Dawnsblood on February 27, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I don’t buy it at all. Abandoning their Catholic hospitals would be a dereliction of the catholic duty.

Boomer_Sooner on February 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Paying for contraception, abortifacients, and sterilisation would also be a dereliction of the Catholic duty. In fact, it would be a mortal sin in the case of abortifacients.

If you don’t think the Church would do it, go look and see how many Catholic adoption agencies you can find in Massachusetts, Illinois and Washington, DC.

After the Church was told that they would have to include same-sex couples as possible adoptive parents, it closed all of its agencies.

Resist We Much on February 27, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Ed, I appreciate you keeping us informed on this issue, and I know that you are Catholic, but the position taken by the Obama Administration is not just anti-Catholic. Evangelical Protestants are strongly opposed to abortion. And while most evangelicals don’t oppose non-abortive forms of birth control, that is only with regard to married couples. Evangelicals are opposed to sexual activity outside of marriage. I’m not talking about imposing evangelical morality on others, but neither should government impose its morality (or immorality) on people of faith.

Providing birth control, abortifacients, and outright abortion to one and all at no expense is in effect encouraging people to engage in immoral and irresponsible behavior with the false sense that there are “no consequences”. Why should any business owner have to pay for services that encourages and facilitates participation in activities that are contrary to their beliefs?

Are you kidding? It is not the government’s job to legislate sexual morality. You’re intense.

libfreeordie on February 27, 2012 at 1:29 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life

You are pathetic. Still trying to make this about women & contraception.

Come to think of it, I choose to live my life by the dictates of an unmarried man. His name is Jesus Christ and I believe he can determine what is good for me as a woman. By following his teachings, I am better off.

JAM on February 27, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Resist We Much on February 27, 2012 at 1:19 PM

+x, where x is some arbitrarily large number.

NotCoach on February 27, 2012 at 1:31 PM

I don’t buy it at all. Abandoning their Catholic hospitals would be a dereliction of the catholic duty.

Boomer_Sooner on February 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Typical liberal tactics to ‘try to’ use the good deeds of others against them. Unfortunately for the libs, in this case it would be better to abandon the good works the church does for man rather than turn against the teachings of Christ and the Church.

HoosierStateofMind on February 27, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Not to mention that the catholic church and it’s catholic bishops have yet to regain their moral right to dictate reproductive activities to anyone.

Boomer_Sooner, does that logic also apply to school systems that harbor sexual predators, such as the Los Angales Unified District? Or the Spanish teacher raping a 17-year-old in Oklahoma City? Or the zoology teacher at Putnam City West High School? Should those institutions, one way or another, have a say?

RMOccidental on February 27, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Providing birth control, abortifacients, and outright abortion to one and all at no expense is in effect encouraging people to engage in immoral and irresponsible behavior with the false sense that there are “no consequences”. Why should any business owner have to pay for services that encourages and facilitates participation in activities that are contrary to their beliefs?

Are you kidding? It is not the government’s job to legislate sexual morality. You’re intense.

libfreeordie on February 27, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Just as it’s not the government’s job to provide anyone with birth control of any nature. By providing various forms of birth control, such as abortion, the gov’t is making a moral choice. By requiring others to do it, the gov’t is also making a moral choice – it is choosing one set of morals over the individual’s and requiring the individual to forgo his own moral values in favor of the governments.

To claim otherwise is a complete lie.

Monkeytoe on February 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Ohhhh! I can’t wait for your next argument about how my employer should give me free guns so I can exercise my 2nd Amendment rights.

Dawnsblood on February 27, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I quite agree! Obamacare should buy me guns. Hunting deer would help me lose weight… what with the hiking and all.

theCork on February 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life

do you ever deal in anything other than straw-man arguments? Nobody in today’s world is coerced into being a Catholic. Nobody is coerced into working for a catholic institution.

The only one depriving anyone of a choice is you and your leftist gov’t. Every woman can determine whether she wants to be a catholic and follow catholic doctrine. Any women can determine whether she wants to accept or continue employment at a catholic hospital.

Doesn’t it ever bother you that you have to resort to dishonest arguments to attempt to “argue” for your position?

Monkeytoe on February 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM

What really makes me upset in all of this is the fact that a bunch of unmarried men think they can determine whats good for a woman.

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Born or unborn? Who decides that? You? When did even the mother get the right to decide for another person (her child) whether that person continues to exist or not? BTW, the contraception doctrine applies to both sexes, so what’s your point again?

BillyWilly on February 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Resist We Much

Nice rant! I’m always glad to hear from people who’ve lived under socialist policies and experiments that didn’t work.

JAM on February 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM

This is a good thing. The Catholic church doesn’t need an institutional voice in public life; none of the individual protestant churches have ever had one.

ernesto on February 27, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Really? Interesting take on history.

But then, nobody ever accused liberals of being a) honest or b) knowing history.

I’m glad you admit you want to control who gets to be engaged in public debate of issues or be involved in public life. Usually you leftists try and pretend you aren’t fascist to the core.

Monkeytoe on February 27, 2012 at 1:37 PM

The Catholic Church is fine with forcing me to buy insurance. They even think it is just dandy/”just” if the State decides what must be included or excluded in that insurance I am forced to buy …. right up until their particular political ox gets gored.

fadetogray on February 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM

The Catholic Church doesn’t force you to buy insurance. That would be the federal Government. The Catholic Church supports Obamacare in theory because they believe society should care for the sick. It is one of the reasons they own all those hospitals and such. They believe they have a right under the 1st amendment not to violate their faith by being forced to support the States’ assault on the unborn (which they happen to believe contraception and abortifacient drugs are).
Only a fool demands that a group violate their religious beliefs to defend their religious beliefs.

Dawnsblood on February 27, 2012 at 1:38 PM

except that’s exactly what liberals want.

Central Godverment is the goal.

Speakup on February 27, 2012 at 1:38 PM

“Catholic bishop warns HHS mandate will mean an end to Catholic hospitals, clinics, charities”

…which is just what OBOZO and the other anti-Christian d-cRAT socialists want !!!!!

Compare OBOZO’s grovelling and endless butt-kissing response to “upset” muslims who are murdering American troops against his “up yours” response to Catholics and other Christians “upset” over his violation of their 1st Amendment rights of religious freedom with his outrageous “free” contraceptives and abortion bills as part of his re-election campaign. And the lunatic-left still claims that OBOZO is a Christian !!!!!!! How stupid does one have to be to believe that obvious LIE ?

TeaPartyNation on February 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM

I totally support the Catholic Church in this, however, I have had moments of schadenfreude during the outrage. The Catholic church that supports government confiscation of my wealth to pay for health care for the poor through universal care and other gov’t programs, has supported restricting my constitutional 2A rights, has encouraged lawlessness by harboring, supporting and lobbying for illegal immigrants now sees the that a gov’t powerful enough to give them what they want can take away what they have (yes, I know not all of those are “official” church positions, however, they are all positions high-ranking church officials in the US have taken cloaked in the mantel of church authority to various degrees).

I will support all religious organizations fighting this because it is a constitutional issue. I understand the concept of “First they came for … and then then they came for me and noone was left..” and this is an important fight. However, I do enter the fray with a heavy heart as I have no misconception that any of them will ever fight for my rights. After this is presumably won, the religious organization will go right back to willy-nilly petitioning gov’t to infringe upon any constitutional right I choose to exercise that is inconvenient to them.

deepdiver on February 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Paying for contraception, abortifacients, and sterilisation would also be a dereliction of the Catholic duty. In fact, it would be a mortal sin in the case of abortifacients.
If you don’t think the Church would do it, go look and see how many Catholic adoption agencies you can find in Massachusetts, Illinois and Washington, DC.
After the Church was told that they would have to include same-sex couples as possible adoptive parents, it closed all of its agencies.
Resist We Much on February 27, 2012 at 1:29 PM

No, I don’t think they will do it, and the threat is coming from a Cardinal who refused Vatican recommendations to remove a priest in under his authority as a result of evidence of abuse of children, he REFUSED it and months later the priest ended up charged with multiple counts some within the last year.

He was given the heads up about the guy and he let him stay, stay around children.

And now he wants to take a stand on individuals access to contraception on their insurance plans? And I mean, hey I could be wrong, and you can play the argument game and say, well the they’ll just charge the church in other places, but it isn’t it the insurance companies that are supposed to foot the bill now?

Doesn’t that make this purely about denying insurance to cover bc for their employees period, no matter who is paying.

It’s BS, and this guy was like that red head coach at PSU, looking the other way when HIS sexual morality, action, and principles were being put to the test. And he failed.

He has no right to talk to anyone at all about sexual topics.

Boomer_Sooner on February 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Are you kidding? It is not the government’s job to legislate sexual morality. You’re intense.

libfreeordie on February 27, 2012 at 1:29 PM

It’s also “not the government’s job” to get between health insurance companies and the clients, to dictate mandated coverage.

If people or institutions don’t want to cover birth control, they shouldn’t have to.

The entire country would be far better off if we had LESS mandated coverage, not more. Catastrophic coverage works well for auto insurance. Or do you think the government should force GEICO to cover oil changes? And how much would they cost if they were “covered”?

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM

He has no right to talk to anyone at all about sexual topics.

Boomer_Sooner on February 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Yes he does and I’d listen to him a lot sooner than you or your morally and intellectually bankrupt president.

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Let the Catholic Church come out full force against Obamacare. Let them show they understand their religious liberty is dependent on liberty for all of us.

fadetogray on February 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM

It’s a good point. The entire mandate needs to be overturned.

OptionsTrader on February 27, 2012 at 1:42 PM

And I mean, hey I could be wrong, and you can play the argument game and say, well the they’ll just charge the church in other places, but it isn’t it the insurance companies that are supposed to foot the bill now?

Boomer_Sooner on February 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Whoever is buying the insurance is paying for the contraception coverage, it does not matter if contraceptives are invoiced or not.

NotCoach on February 27, 2012 at 1:43 PM

My comments are the same on this issue.

The Catholic Bishops supported ObamaCare to begin with. Now, they say that – no, they didn’t – but the fact is …

Let’s “recap” here shall we?

If you all remember, the last holdouts for ObamaCare were the “Pro-Life” Democrats in the House led by Bart Stupak. He, and others were concerned that the bill didn’t have enough protections to guard against federal funding of abortions.

It was the Catholic Health Association that came along and gave political cover to those Dems to vote “aye” on ObamaCare when the CHA released a statement which said … “The time is now for health reform”. The CHA also claimed that ObamaCare was … “an historic opportunity to make great improvements in the lives of so many Americans.”

“But” … you say, “this is the CHA not the Catholic Bishops.”

Okay – I’ll play that game – and thusly, I googled all over the planet for a Catholic Bishop or Cardinal who took issue with the CHA in its endorsement of ObamaCare – and I can’t find a single one who opposed it. So they certainly heard the CHA give a green light to ObamaCare – and the Bishops let that stand without challenge. Tacit support … support for ObamaCare – the very instrument they now have a problem with.

Yes, they are getting screwed – and rightfully so.

Additionally, they STILL support ObamaCare.

The President of the Catholic League, Bill Donahue, recently said … ” No institution in American society has supported universal healthcare longer than the Catholic Church … The bishops have long championed universal healthcare as an American right.”

The problem the Catholic Church has now? Are they bothered that ObamaCare robs you and I of LIBERTY? Hell no – they have no problems with that part … the part they have a problem with, is they will have to somehow fund contraceptives now. And for this – they want us to get all wet and bothered?

If the Catholic Bishops won’t get bothered by the fact that Liberal Universal Healthcare is a liberty-killer in the first place – why in the hell am I going to get bothered about them having to buy birth control pills?

Physician – heal thyself. They made this bed – they can now sleep in it.

Pass the popcorn – this is damned hilarious! Watching two groups of fools get redfaced in a political standoff. On the one hand – the fools who lead the Catholic Church – on the other, the Liberals and Obama!

LOL

HondaV65 on February 27, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Boomer_Sooner, does that logic also apply to school systems that harbor sexual predators, such as the Los Angales Unified District? Or the Spanish teacher raping a 17-year-old in Oklahoma City? Or the zoology teacher at Putnam City West High School? Should those institutions, one way or another, have a say?
RMOccidental on February 27, 2012 at 1:32 PM

You know what, you’re absolutely right, collective punishments for the actions of one are illogical and unproductive.

However, the man making this claim was DIRECTLY involved in making sure a priest who molested children STAYED with the church, against Vatican requests no less!!

He should NOT be in the position he is and to be speaking on these topics is as hypocritical as it gets. So women working for the church shouldn’t be able to have bc on their insurance, but molesting priest should be able to stay on the job?

Eff that guy. I’m a Catholic, and our leadership is virulently compromised still.

Boomer_Sooner on February 27, 2012 at 1:45 PM

The state is making itself into a church.

And that, my friends, sums up this administration better than all the miles of commentary I’ve read.

Ed Snyder on February 27, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Let the Catholic Church come out full force against Obamacare. Let them show they understand their religious liberty is dependent on liberty for all of us.

Otherwise they can go straight to Hell.

fadetogray on February 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Yep. The Catholic Church (along with the rest of the 52%ers) seriously need to make up for the damage done by helping get Obama elected in 2008. I was both confused by, and angered by the Catholic Churchs’ support for Obama, when I knew damn well how morally and scripturally incompatible they were from day one.

True Liberalism and True Christianity are mutually exclusive concepts.

Harbingeing on February 27, 2012 at 1:47 PM

The state is making itself into a church.
And that, my friends, sums up this administration better than all the miles of commentary I’ve read.

Ed Snyder on February 27, 2012 at 1:45 PM

I don’t even want to know what they’re going to use for communion, but confession should be a lark.

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 1:47 PM

The Catholic Church doesn’t force you to buy insurance. That would be the federal Government. The Catholic Church supports Obamacare in theory because they believe society should care for the sick. It is one of the reasons they own all those hospitals and such. They believe they have a right under the 1st amendment not to violate their faith by being forced to support the States’ assault on the unborn (which they happen to believe contraception and abortifacient drugs are).
Only a fool demands that a group violate their religious beliefs to defend their religious beliefs.

No one posted that the catholic church “forces” anyone to buy insurance. It was posted that the church was fine with the idea (which you yourself quoted. How can you get so wrong when the very quote you are remarking on contradicts what you have to say about it?)

And why do they believe they get exceptional rights not to abide by the same rules as other people? First Amendment? Sure… and they totally ignore every other amendment and shred of of the Constitution in order to justify Obamacare.

JackBurtonJr on February 27, 2012 at 1:49 PM

God is currently showing his displeasure with REAL Americans by having it rain on their nascar.

Amen.

KeninCT on February 27, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Update: A lot of people in the comments and on Twitter think that closing the Catholic institutions is what Obama has in mind, in order to make people more dependent on government. Possibly, but the outcome will mean skyrocketing spending and angering a lot of people who will find out just how limited government intervention actually is. Sounds like one of those ivory-tower solutions that always succeed in theory … kind of like Obamanomics.

Of course the shuttering of Catholic Charities Hospitals is the real purpose. This is a win-win-win situation for the Progressives. Demonize religion, kill poor people and takeover one of the largest segments of the economy and people’s personal lives – this is a Progressive wet dream! I was posting about how Obamcare would shut down the Catholic Charities Hospitals before Obamacare was passed.

Also buried in Obamacare is the dissolution of the current DSH system. There won’t be a Federal pool anymore, now each State will carry the full cost of the DSH hospitals in their state. This will bankrupt DSH hospitals in inner cites and they will shut down. The purpose is to have people literally dying on the street.

Wake-up. Learn from history – doesn’t anyone remember Michelle Obama’s hospital dumping scheme? That is who they are.

batterup on February 27, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Why is the catholic church ok with supporting via.gra for male employees but are not ok with supporting birth control for female employees?

An institution run by unmarried men will always be biased towards women…just saying..

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Do you have a link validating your claim?

timberline on February 27, 2012 at 1:50 PM

I totally support the Catholic Church in this, however, I have had moments of schadenfreude during the outrage. The Catholic church that supports government confiscation of my wealth to pay for health care for the poor through universal care and other gov’t programs, has supported restricting my constitutional 2A rights, has encouraged lawlessness by harboring, supporting and lobbying for illegal immigrants now sees the that a gov’t powerful enough to give them what they want can take away what they have (yes, I know not all of those are “official” church positions, however, they are all positions high-ranking church officials in the US have taken cloaked in the mantel of church authority to various degrees).

I will support all religious organizations fighting this because it is a constitutional issue. I understand the concept of “First they came for … and then then they came for me and noone was left..” and this is an important fight. However, I do enter the fray with a heavy heart as I have no misconception that any of them will ever fight for my rights. After this is presumably won, the religious organization will go right back to willy-nilly petitioning gov’t to infringe upon any constitutional right I choose to exercise that is inconvenient to them.

My vote for “post of the thread.”

JackBurtonJr on February 27, 2012 at 1:51 PM

He should NOT be in the position he is and to be speaking on these topics is as hypocritical as it gets.

So, if the spokesman for the Catholic Bishops was different, you would support the church’s stance on the issue?

So women working for the church shouldn’t be able to have bc on their insurance, but molesting priest should be able to stay on the job?

These are the same issues?

RMOccidental on February 27, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Almost everyone here is missing the point of this little exercise.

Obamacare establishes the State’s authority to dictate what we have to buy in the way of insurance. The Catholic Church helped to promote the establishment of that authority, and now they are negotiating with the authority to protect their turf.

If the Church is politically powerful enough, the State will eventually capitulate, and the Church will be happy.

Squishy Catholics will think Obama is reasonable, even as Obamacare sinks its fangs deep into our liberty.

I am strongly opposed to making an exception for the Church. The Church sold us out. Then Obama stabbed them in the back. Now if we support the Church getting its exception, we are letting the Church get away clean with having sold us out.

This is how the “progressives” progressively destroy us. They buy us off, group by group.

fadetogray on February 27, 2012 at 1:51 PM

The problem the Catholic Church has now? Are they bothered that ObamaCare robs you and I of LIBERTY? Hell no – they have no problems with that part … the part they have a problem with, is they will have to somehow fund contraceptives now. And for this – they want us to get all wet and bothered? LOL

HondaV65 on February 27, 2012 at 1:43 PM

That’s the part that really irritates me most. You nailed it.

Harbingeing on February 27, 2012 at 1:51 PM

They are not being forced to do anything. They can choose not to offer health coverage and let all of their employees go onto Obamacare. But where was all of this objection when these same bishops if memory serves me correct when they supported Obamacare in the first place. It was fine to rob one person to pay for the health care of another when it didn’t impede upon their religious sensibility. No that they have been hoisted up by their own petard they are outraged.

ReformedDeceptiCon on February 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Except if they choose not to offer insurance they have to pay large fines.

lib4life-The Catholic Church isn’t forcing anyone to do anything. It’s not a question of a bunch of unmarried men making decisions for women. Catholic women can go out and get their own birth control-just the way they do now.

The issue is religious liberty.

It is wrong to force a faith based organization to pay for things that violate their religious beliefs.

Pelosi’s absurd claim that a question of religious liberty can’t be addressed without women’s voices is clearly bearing fruit in the intellecually challenged such as yourself.

BTW I am a pro-choice woman physician, and I’d vote for Santorum over Obama.

talkingpoints on February 27, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Let the Catholic Church come out full force against Obamacare. Let them show they understand their religious liberty is dependent on liberty for all of us.

fadetogray on February 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM

It’s a good point. The entire mandate needs to be overturned.

OptionsTrader on February 27, 2012 at 1:42 PM

ObamaCare needs to be repealed in its entirety, not just the mandate.

Ordinary American on February 27, 2012 at 1:52 PM

intellectually. Preview is your friend.

talkingpoints on February 27, 2012 at 1:52 PM

the threat is coming from a Cardinal who refused Vatican recommendations to remove a priest in under his authority as a result of evidence of abuse of children, he REFUSED it…

The priest had already removed from service long before this. This had to do with defrocking, which takes time and certain legal procedures. So you’re just being mendacious.

He has no right to talk to anyone at all about sexual topics.

Boomer_Sooner on February 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Neither does someone who twists things to the point of falsehood.

theCork on February 27, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Whoever is buying the insurance is paying for the contraception coverage, it does not matter if contraceptives are invoiced or not.
NotCoach on February 27, 2012 at 1:43 PM

So there’s just no way around it, huh? If you work for at catholic hospital, or any type of the varied catholic institutions, you just can’t get contraception on your insurance, no matter what, can’t happen, sorry? Shouldn’t YOUR insurance choices be yours as an individual no matter where you work?

Not to mention that contraceptives are the best defense we have against abortions. What the hell are they really trying to accomplish here? They’re only trying to limit women’s access, not save their mortal souls. This cardinal has enough dirt on his already.

Boomer_Sooner on February 27, 2012 at 1:53 PM

God is currently showing his displeasure with REAL Americans by having it rain on their nascar.

Amen.

KeninCT on February 27, 2012 at 1:50 PM

God can’t bear the thought of Danica beating the boys, that’s all their is to it.

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Not to mention that contraceptives are the best defense we have against abortions.

If contraception are the best defense against abortions, why have abortions skyrocketed since the advent of oral contraception?

RMOccidental on February 27, 2012 at 1:58 PM

are we still debating the church blackmail on the government laws?
to those who did not understand, it was like this:
“dear US goverment, please make an exception in your health insurance mandates, so that women pay more for contraception while they work in our catholic schools and hospitals. If you dont, we will stop healing the sick! As you know, our 2000 years old ecclesiastical laws are more important than the law of this land of america… Its a matter of principle!”

nathor on February 27, 2012 at 1:59 PM

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