Catholic bishop warns HHS mandate will mean an end to Catholic hospitals, clinics, charities

posted at 12:10 pm on February 27, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Will Catholic bishops eventually drop their objections to the HHS mandate and comply, even though it would require them to fund and facilitate access to contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients like IUDs and “ella” that violate their deeply-held doctrines on the sanctity of life?  Not according to Francis Cardinal George, archbishop of Barack Obama’s home town of Chicago.  In a missive to parishioners on the first Sunday of Lent, Cardinal George warns that the Catholic Church will shut down its hospitals, clinics, and charities before submitting to the mandate — and provides a little history lesson as well:

What will happen if the HHS regulations are not rescinded? A Catholic institution, so far as I can see right now, will have one of four choices: 1) secularize itself, breaking its connection to the church, her moral and social teachings and the oversight of its ministry by the local bishop. This is a form of theft. It means the church will not be permitted to have an institutional voice in public life. 2) Pay exorbitant annual fines to avoid paying for insurance policies that cover abortifacient drugs, artificial contraception and sterilization. This is not economically sustainable. 3) Sell the institution to a non-Catholic group or to a local government. 4) Close down. …

Since 1915, the Catholic bishops of the United States have taught that basic health care should be accessible to all in a just society. Two years ago, we asked that whatever instruments were crafted to care for all, the Hyde and Weldon and Church amendments restricting funding for abortion and respecting institutional conscience continue to be incorporated into law. They were excluded. As well, the present health care reform act doesn’t cover entire sections of the U.S. population. It is not universal.

The provision of health care should not demand “giving up” religious liberty. Liberty of religion is more than freedom of worship. Freedom of worship was guaranteed in the Constitution of the former Soviet Union. You could go to church, if you could find one. The church, however, could do nothing except conduct religious rites in places of worship-no schools, religious publications, health care institutions, organized charity, ministry for justice and the works of mercy that flow naturally from a living faith. All of these were co-opted by the government. We fought a long cold war to defeat that vision of society.

The strangest accusation in this manipulated public discussion has the bishops not respecting the separation between church and state. The bishops would love to have the separation between church and state we thought we enjoyed just a few months ago, when we were free to run Catholic institutions in conformity with the demands of the Catholic faith, when the government couldn’t tell us which of our ministries are Catholic and which not, when the law protected rather than crushed conscience. The state is making itself into a church. The bishops didn’t begin this dismaying conflict nor choose its timing. We would love to have it ended as quickly as possible. It’s up to the government to stop the attack.

Insofar as advocates of the mandate insist that Catholic bishops are out of touch with their own congregations, Cardinal George exposes this as a big non-sequitur:

Practically, we’re told that the majority of Catholics use artificial contraception. There are properly medical reasons, in some circumstances, for the use of contraceptive pills, as everyone knows. But even if contraceptives were used by a majority of couples only and exclusively to suppress a possible pregnancy, behavior doesn’t determine morality. If it can be shown that a majority of Catholic students cheat on their exams, it is still wrong to cheat on exams. Trimming morality to how we behave guts the Gospel call to conversion of life and rejection of sin.

Theoretically, it is argued that there are Catholic voices that disagree with the teaching of the church and therefore with the bishops. There have always been those whose personal faith is not adequate to the faith of the church. Perhaps this is the time for everyone to re-read the Acts of the Apostles. Bishops are the successors of the apostles; they collectively receive the authority to teach and govern that Christ bestowed upon the apostles. Bishops don’t claim to speak for every baptized Catholic. Bishops speak, rather, for the Catholic and apostolic faith. Those who hold that faith gather with them; others go their own way. They are and should be free to do so, but they deceive themselves and others in calling their organizations Catholic.

Although Cardinal George doesn’t spell this out, this is the crux of the difference between the church and the Obama administration.  Membership in the Catholic Church is voluntary, as is employment in their extended organizations like schools, hospitals, and the like.  If people don’t like the teachings of the church or want to work for an employer willing to give them contraception at no expense, they are free to seek those associations as they like.  Obama and his HHS want to force Catholic organizations to accept the administration doctrine on contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients, and force Catholic organizations to fund and facilitate access to them — by declaring which organizations the church runs to be authentically religious and which are not, an arrogance without precedent in the US, although certainly precedents in other political models abound, as Cardinal George points out.

The church may have to demonstrate the proper jurisdiction for that designation, George warns, if the government insists on forcing religious organizations to violate their own principles:

If you haven’t already purchased the Archdiocesan Directory for 2012, I would suggest you get one as a souvenir. On page L-3, there is a complete list of Catholic hospitals and health care institutions in Cook and Lake counties. Each entry represents much sacrifice on the part of medical personnel, administrators and religious sponsors. Each name signifies the love of Christ to people of all classes and races and religions. Two Lents from now, unless something changes, that page will be blank.

Catholics may be giving up some luxuries for Lent, but the bishops aren’t giving up this fight.  They seem ready to make this a weekly battle with the Obama administration, and willing to escalate it to the point of closing doors and stopping services, a move that will make the issue acute in many of the areas where Obama normally would draw his most fervent support.

Update: A lot of people in the comments and on Twitter think that closing the Catholic institutions is what Obama has in mind, in order to make people more dependent on government.  Possibly, but the outcome will mean skyrocketing spending and angering a lot of people who will find out just how limited government intervention actually is.  Sounds like one of those ivory-tower solutions that always succeed in theory … kind of like Obamanomics.


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Single Payer is the goal.

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Why is the catholic church ok with supporting via.gra for male employees but are not ok with supporting birth control for female employees?

An institution run by unmarried men will always be biased towards women…just saying..

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

To the left, this is a feature not a bug

tommylotto on February 27, 2012 at 12:13 PM

The left is salivating over this.

tom daschle concerned on February 27, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Destroy all providers – but the State.

And some of you think that the Communist doesn’t know what he’s doing.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 27, 2012 at 12:14 PM

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Little one, what difference does it make to you? Why the need to control everything from a central point?

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

It wasn’t clever, intelligent, or relevant the first time you spewed it, dunderhead.

tom daschle concerned on February 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

…and that’s perfectly fine with little Bammie. Go along or go away, that’s the choice of any business or organization that Bammie deals with.

slickwillie2001 on February 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

God purposely created fertility. He didn’t purposely create erectile dysfunction.

RBMN on February 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

tom daschle concerned on February 27, 2012 at 12:15 PM

But she has dreams.

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Single Payer is the goal.

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

That or Single Prayer.

BobMbx on February 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Why is the catholic church ok with supporting via.gra for male employees but are not ok with supporting birth control for female employees?

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM

…because despite the sub-moronic religious discourse in this country, sex does not, in fact, violate the Church’s teachings?

I mean, they have been around for 2000 years.

HitNRun on February 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

For the Communist – it couldn’t be any better – he is both attacking Christianity and, in doing so, providing the foundation for State owned and State run healthcare – only.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Scooter wil rescind the mandate on the same day he bombs Iran,…about a month before elections.

a capella on February 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

You like to put that statement in every thread, but I have never seen a link to any evidence that the Church’s insurance pays for Viagra. I know that almost no insurance pays for that drug or its cousins like Cialis, for the same reason they don’t cover contraception — it’s voluntary. Nevertheless, the church likely doesn’t oppose Viagra because responsible use would encourage procreation, which is the reason for their doctrinal opposition to contraception. You’d have to be dense not to figure that out.

BTW, since you insist on doing a cut-and-paste with your comment in every thread, you may want to change “biased toward” with “biased against,” unless you’re arguing that the church is upholding the dignity of women by affirming their life-giving role. Somehow, though, I doubt that’s what you mean.

Ed Morrissey on February 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Catholic bishop warns HHS mandate will mean an end to Catholic hospitals, clinics, charities

The Catholic Bishop’s don’t understand that’s the whole point of the exercise is to push them out so only the “State” can deliver services. The Catholic Bishops are that ignorant of totalitarian states and how they operate? Really they don’t know what they are up against? What do they think Obamacare was about the poor? LOL! Sorry to inform all the Catholic clergy, that tried to appease the secular left, the whole point of Obamacare was a power grab, and now it’s the Catholic’s turn. Time to roll out the Church lawyers, and challenge the Constitutionality of the contraceptive mandate.

Dr Evil on February 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

This is how Obama operates. He clears the field of competition. All will pay protection money or be regulated out of existence. I can’t believe this is happening in America. This is utterly fascistic/syndicalist, whatever you want to call it

It is tyranny.

tom daschle concerned on February 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

The left is salivating over this.

tom daschle concerned on February 27, 2012 at 12:13 PM

so what, they salivate over a lot of stuff, rumor has it they even throw urine bombs too

DanMan on February 27, 2012 at 12:18 PM

As a former member of Cardinal George’s flock(I went through the Right of Enrollment(whatever it’s call for Candidates for Full Communion) @ Holy Name in 2010…I say to him…GOOD. ON. YOU!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 27, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Single Payer is the goal.

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

At first, I misinterpreted you comment as Single Prayer is the goal.

(Prayer to the god of government that is)

Both appear to be applicable in this case.

Chip on February 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

4) Close down. …

Which is the plan. Then Dear Liar will have more people clamoring for government health care.

If people don’t like the teachings of the church or want to work for an employer willing to give them contraception at no expense,

There is no free lunch. If insurance company A has to provide contraceptives at no co-pay, then it raises its rates to organization B. If organization B has to pay more for health insurance, then it doesn’t increase pay to employee C. Employee C pays no matter what.

rbj on February 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Cardinal George is laying in a bed that the Catholic church helped create starting decades ago when they began to tie their belief in charity, giving and social work to the idea that the government was an equal, moral and ethical partner.

I am sure he was perfectly fine with the mandates that other people had to perform… but now that the gored ox is his the bishops suddenly want to be free of their government BFF.

JackBurtonJr on February 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Ed Morrissey on February 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

If Ed ain’t happy…ain’t NOBODY happy.
Thank you, Sir!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Ed Morrissey on February 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Boom.

Weight of Glory on February 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Obama has Over/Reached and Over/Stepped!

canopfor on February 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM

In a missive to parishioners on the first Sunday of Lent, Cardinal George warns that the Catholic Church will shut down its hospitals, clinics, and charities before submitting to the mandate — and provides a little history lesson as well:

I believe a “missive” (as you call it) when it comes from a Catholic Cardinal is called a Mass-ive.

FIFY. You’re welcome.

rogaineguy on February 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Why is the catholic church ok with supporting via.gra for male employees but are not ok with supporting birth control for female employees?

An institution run by unmarried men will always be biased towards women…just saying..

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM
liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Shhhhhhhhhh…that’s the sound of nobody caring what you think.
Don’t believe everything you think.

KOOLAID2 on February 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM

An institution run by unmarried men will always be biased towards women…just saying..

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Also, think about that blather very hard for just a few moments. I’m not even sure if Viag.ra is covered by health insurance. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s not, so you’re basically just repeating a Facebook urban legend.

But you’re accusing Catholic priests of being in favor…of Viag.ra. O…k.

HitNRun on February 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Obama has Over/Reached and Over/Stepped!

canopfor on February 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM

HOPE & CHANGE!

KOOLAID2 on February 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

I believe a “missive” (as you call it) when it comes from a Catholic Cardinal is called a Mass-ive.

FIFY. You’re welcome.

rogaineguy on February 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM

He’s here all week, folks. Try the wine, and don’t forget to tip the collection baskets.

Ed Morrissey on February 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Ed Morrissey on February 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Wow, you actually talked to it. Now if you would just swing at it with that glorious hammer.

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Catholic bishop warns HHS mandate will mean an end to Catholic hospitals, clinics, charities

Blinding flash of the obvious here, this is the plan behind Obamacare. Create a demand the health system can’t handle, collapse the health care industry, the government provides health care for all unless you are sick. Then the death panel will decide your life isn’t worth the expense. Cardinal George wasn’t paying attention.

TulsAmerican on February 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Ed, the issue here is really the link between physical healing and spiritual health. That is the link that the left is hammering. If Obama and the ilk can make folks believe that there is no relationship between someone’s physical and spiritual well-being, then they can do whatever they like with us. The truth is, the way that we as Christians minister to others is just as the disciples did—by healing the sick, feeding the poor, clothing the needy and so on. These mandates are meant to further disable the church from doing that, IMO.

the more that these organizations are taken down, the more that we Christians will again shoulder the individual responsibility of caring for these needs of those around us. We’ll do it in one form or another.

ted c on February 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Catholics are upset with this mandate, but not the law overall. That’s why I don’t trust religious people in politics.

rickv404 on February 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM

He’s here all week, folks. Try the wine, and don’t forget to tip the collection baskets.

Ed Morrissey on February 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Ed Morrissey:Lol,ahem!:)

canopfor on February 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM

This is how Obama operates. He clears the field of competition. All will pay protection money or be regulated out of existence. I can’t believe this is happening in America. This is utterly fascistic/syndicalist, whatever you want to call it

It is tyranny.

tom daschle concerned on February 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

“We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word many mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor.
Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name- liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names – liberty and tyranny.”

Abraham Lincoln

I’d still like to know where on God’s green earth President Downgrade was able to glean the authority to dictate these actions.

Any one have an answer for me on that?

Chip on February 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Somehow, though, I doubt that’s what you mean.

Ed Morrissey on February 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

It might also want to read your post before walking into the room and sh%ting itself for all to see…

Seven Percent Solution on February 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Isn’t it incredible that this arrogant a-hole’s ego won’t let him back away from this now obvious misstep?

At least billy-boy had the common sense to tack to the center….the jug-eared dope’s self-love and stubborn ideology will once again bite him sqarely on his skinny worthless @ss.

Tim_CA on February 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM

An institution run by unmarried men will always be biased towards women…just saying..

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM
your god is a closet muslim/bisexual…just saying…

GhoulAid on February 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Thin-Skinned Hussein has to be SEETHING that the Church has the audacity to stand up to him.

wildcat72 on February 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Hey Ed:

This was part of yesterday’s QOTD threadjack. I think you’ll find it funny. LoL
It was from me.

Swiped this from Ace’s FB page(totally OT):Stolen from elsewhere…..
Smug Ecofreak: “What kind of car would Jesus drive?
Dennis Leary Type: Gee, I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure since he has 12 really close friends that go everywhere with him, a Prius isn’t going to be his first choice. How about a big Chevy Suburban? Judas can sit in the middle.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2012 at 11:39 PM

You’re welcome.
*runs*

annoyinglittletwerp on February 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM

canopfor on February 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM
HOPE & CHANGE!

KOOLAID2 on February 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

KOOLAID2:MMM..MMM..MMM..(sarc):)

canopfor on February 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

it is not recomended to respond to liberal4life

gerrym51 on February 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Seven Percent Solution on February 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM

And don’t forget since I was first through the door, I ain’t changing its diaper today. KOOLAID2!

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:27 PM

When the Church stops providing free health care to the poor, is Obama going to provide hundreds of billions more to the states to take care of them?

And that’s on top of all the free education Catholic Schools provide to children, who aren’t costing the states anything.

Of course, when you are a fiscal and economic (not to mention moral) illiterate like Barack Obama, what difference does it make?

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 12:27 PM

That’s the point. If the hospitals aren’t controlled by the government, then how can they give $300,000/year positions to the wives of politicians???

phreshone on February 27, 2012 at 12:28 PM

You’re welcome.
*runs*

annoyinglittletwerp on February 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM

annoyinglittletwerp: Oh no you didn’t,haha!:)

canopfor on February 27, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Let’s see now, burning Korans is worthy of an apology, but burning a central tenet of Catholicism gets a big thumbs up from Professor Maddrass in the White House.

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Trying to make sense of the timing of HHS mandate…

Is Obama deliberately trying to make Obamacare so odious to the American public that the Supreme Court will strike all this down? If the Supreme Court ends Obamacare over the summer, Obama will run against “a conservative Court”. Don’t forget, he attacked the Court in the SOTU regarding Citizen United.

monalisa on February 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM

it is not recomended to respond to liberal4life

gerrym51 on February 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Why are you looking to restrict speech. You did the same thing all day yesterday. Folks enjoy responding to it or they wouldn’t. What are you like the hall monitor or something?

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:30 PM

It takes a special kind of “special” person to quote thier own post repeatedly. Especially when noone cared about sadi post to begin with. So, relax Lib4life, you are indeed special.

MouthyMainah on February 27, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Catholic leaders are just awful. Here he is, publicly and in the name of the church itself, calling for the curtailment of my liberty even while seeking the governments permission to save his own. Despicable.

If ignorance is the issue, and he cannot understand that the freedom of religion and of the religious to act according to their particular church doctrine is guaranteed only so long as he and his church work with all the rest of us to preserve our liberties generally, then that’s something he needs to work on. That means that the church should be working with tea partiers and disgusted citizens generally to prevent the government from assuming the role of “source of rights”, and it especially means that this full throated support for government granted “universal health care” must stop!

Only then can the rights of the Catholic Church in America be preserved and protected. There is no other way, no halfway settlement possible. The Church must fight for freedom from intrusive government to protect it’s own rights not to pay for contraceptives.

These idiots risk so much, messing around with their “social justice” claptrap. Are they for liberty or against it?

MTF on February 27, 2012 at 12:30 PM

ohhh, cry baby bishops say they go away if somehow females at their hospitals have contraception in their insurance or something.
the church list of priorities:
1) hide pedophile priests(cheap shot, i know, but they deserve it)
2) make sure women that work in their hospitals dont have contraception trough their insurances
2) heal the sick

let them sell the hospitals…

nathor on February 27, 2012 at 12:31 PM

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canopfor on February 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Smug Ecofreak: “What kind of car would Jesus drive?

I don’t know about Jesus but the disciples drove a Honda according to the 2nd Chapter of Acts.

“And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place”

JackBurtonJr on February 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM

But even if contraceptives were used by a majority of couples only and exclusively to suppress a possible pregnancy, behavior doesn’t determine morality. If it can be shown that a majority of Catholic students cheat on their exams, it is still wrong to cheat on exams. Trimming morality to how we behave guts the Gospel call to conversion of life and rejection of sin.

Liberals will never–NEVER–understand these three sentences. They remind me of the admonitions I received as a child: “If everyone else runs off a cliff, are you going to do so as well.”

P.S. The Founders put such a premium on religious liberty to prevent tyranny of the majority from imposing values on a minority with religious beliefs to the contrary.

BuckeyeSam on February 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Why is the catholic church ok with supporting via.gra for male employees but are not ok with supporting birth control for female employees?

An institution run by unmarried men will always be biased towards women…just saying..

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Gee, Idunno. One facilitates procreation and the other facilitates non-creation. Two products, two different outcomes. Do you ever stop to think & analyze?

AH_C on February 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM

BTW, since you insist on doing a cut-and-paste with your comment in every thread, you may want to change “biased toward” with “biased against,” unless you’re arguing that the church is upholding the dignity of women by affirming their life-giving role. Somehow, though, I doubt that’s what you mean.

Ed Morrissey on February 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Thanks for the correction on the “biased toward” and “biased against,”

back to the topic…

My current health insurance covers Ed drugs since some providers actually treat ED as a medical condition which can lead to depression and suicide. So yes in some circles ED is treated as a medical condition and the catholic church has no issue paying for those drugs…

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Update: A lot of people in the comments and on Twitter think that closing the Catholic institutions is what Obama has in mind, in order to make people more dependent on government. Possibly, but the outcome will mean skyrocketing spending and angering a lot of people who will find out just how limited government intervention actually is. Sounds like one of those ivory-tower solutions that always succeed in theory … kind of like Obamanomics.

As one of those people, allow me to retort. When one is the only game in town, which is what PlaceboCare seeks to be, one doesn’t have to concern oneself with providing quality.

Oh, and the thumb in the eye to Catholics (at least those not named Pfleger) is another bonus to Teh SCOAMF.

Steve Eggleston on February 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

1) hide pedophile priests(cheap shot, i know, but they deserve it)
2) make sure women that work in their hospitals dont have contraception trough their insurances
2) heal the sick

let them sell the hospitals…

nathor on February 27, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Math is hard

Tim_CA on February 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

it is not recomended to respond to liberal4life

gerrym51 on February 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM

I find that laughing and pointing usually is sufficient.

viking01 on February 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

ohhh, cry baby bishops say they go away if somehow females at their hospitals have contraception in their insurance or something.
the church list of priorities:
1) hide pedophile priests(cheap shot, i know, but they deserve it)
2) make sure women that work in their hospitals dont have contraception trough their insurances
2) heal the sick

let them sell the hospitals…

nathor on February 27, 2012 at 12:31 PM

The main mission of public schools is to hide pedophile teachers and we all have to fund it.

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM

monalisa on February 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM

You and I seem to be in the minority with that particular idea. Obama couldn’t have come out with a more glaring example of why this law is a disaster before it is even fully implemented.

Mord on February 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Let’s see now, burning Korans is worthy of an apology, but burning a central tenet of Catholicism gets a big thumbs up from Professor Maddrass in the White House.

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Well, Destroying the infidels has always been a Muslim goal. That destruction doesn’t always have to involve flying planes into buildings or blowing stuff up. Perhaps Obama is simply destroying Christianity from within. Keep in mind it just isn’t the Catholic institutions. Baptists also run significant self-insured systems of hospitals and other social service organizations.

Happy Nomad on February 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:30 PM

it is not recommended to respond to gerrym51

I couldn’t resist

gerrym51 on February 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Oh Ed plenty of insurances cover Viagra and Cialis. It’s prescribed for “erectile dysfunction” and isn’t exactly a pill to make you more horny. And a lot of wives of men DEPENDENT on Viagra would say “Birth control? Honey you flatter me but your’re years too late.”

Marcus on February 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM

So, if B to the O grants rights to the Catholic church again, are they good with the rest of the HMS (His Majesty’s Serfitude) mandate?

Obama has them painted into a corner. He can compromise at anytime and they either go along as huge flip-floppers willing to sell the rest of us out, so long as they get theirs. Or, they stay opposed and Obama paints them as extremists. Either way he looks like the regal uniter, while giving up almost nothing.

Any chance, when all is said and done, the left side (majority) of the Catholics vote against Obama? Hardly.

The Hammer on February 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Wow, you actually talked to it. Now if you would just swing at it with that glorious hammer.

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM

I disagree. l4l hasn’t really done anything ban-worthy (although cross-posting the same crap via ctrl-c/ctrl-v gets close). While l4l’s arguments are easily demolished, they do serve to give us a window into typical liberal thinking. Besides, they make a good foil and someone’s got to have the title of Worst Troll Ever.

Lost in Jersey on February 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Math is hard

Tim_CA on February 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

LOL!, I thought Jailbait was the only one who did that.

Two reasons:

1) Her voice makes dogs howl. It is easier on the ears to hear fingernails on chalkboard.

2) She is pretty dumb. She jumped through 7 weak barely accreddited or non-accreddited schools to get a weak bachelors degree.

2) The Glenn Rick issue.

Jailbreak on February 11, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Math is hard ‘n’ s#!t.

Walter Sobchak on February 11, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Thin-Skinned Hussein has to be SEETHING that the Church has the audacity to stand up to him.

wildcat72 on February 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Maybe Obama could use that for his next book, The Audacity of Pope.

CJ on February 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Of course, they could convert themselves to a Muslim hospital…

slickwillie2001 on February 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM

The main mission of public schools is to hide pedophile teachers and we all have to fund it.

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM

nathor has no problem with pedophilia. It is pretty much amoral.

totally reprobate.

tom daschle concerned on February 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

We should be concerned about the Liberal/Democrat contempt for the separation of Church and State. Democrats actually want to replace the Church with the State.

Blue Collar Todd on February 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

The main mission of public schools is to hide pedophile teachers and we all have to fund it.

I say this as a Roman Catholic. I have thought the same thing about the catholic church and pedophile priests

gerrym51 on February 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Why is the catholic church ok with supporting via.gra for male employees but are not ok with supporting birth control for female employees?

I don’t know that your premise is true but given that one drug enables procreation and the other prevents it may have something to do with such a scenario. Duhhhhh.

tommyboy on February 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I do not think that Obama had this in mind, but I do not think he cares. The hard left policy makers (obama himself is way too lazy), will see it as an opportunity to establish State run health care directly. They see another million Federal employees and a public hospital system already in place. The first step in outlawing private medical care which is definitely a leftwing objective.

pat on February 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM

LMAO.

Deja Vu or friggin’ what?

Tim_CA on February 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Lost in Jersey on February 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM

That was my point. But thanks for clarifying. See my above post to the hall monitor.

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM

MTF on February 27, 2012 at 12:30 PM

There is a bit of the old having one’s own ox gored before speaking out, scent to it.

a capella on February 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Update: A lot of people in the comments and on Twitter think that closing the Catholic institutions is what Obama has in mind, in order to make people more dependent on government. Possibly, but the outcome will mean skyrocketing spending and angering a lot of people who will find out just how limited government intervention actually is. Sounds like one of those ivory-tower solutions that always succeed in theory … kind of like Obamanomics.

From what I’ve seen, a fundamental premise of Obamanomics is to drive costs up so that things become more unaffordable, requiring more government assistance, requiring more taxation of the wealthy. It’s the goal of the left’s zero-sum game understanding of economics. It’s wealth redistribution by a subtler means of confiscation. Rather than confiscation by the sword, it’s confiscation by the tax code.

BuckeyeSam on February 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM

So I ponder,why would Obama declare War on the Catholics,er
or Christianity for that matter!!

If Team Obama could channel at least twenty percent of its
energy away from going after Christians,and towards Muslims,
the War on Terror might be over sooner!
(snark)

canopfor on February 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM

it is not recommended to respond to gerrym51

I couldn’t resist

gerrym51 on February 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM

; )

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Since 1915, the Catholic bishops of the United States have taught that basic health care should be accessible to all in a just society. Two years ago, we asked that whatever instruments were crafted to care for all, the Hyde and Weldon and Church amendments restricting funding for abortion and respecting institutional conscience continue to be incorporated into law. They were excluded. As well, the present health care reform act doesn’t cover entire sections of the U.S. population. It is not universal.

I want to preface my remarks by saying that I am in no way anti-Catholic. Although my wife and I are not Catholic, we often attend Catholic Mass.

With that said, two points I want to make about the above statements by the Bishop George. 1.) Through current Federal law, everyone does have access to basic health care. If you’re sick and go to an ER, they have to treat you. 2.) The Catholic Church missed the boat on the ObamaCare debate by only emphasising their hopes that the Dems would leave out abortion funding and leave religious institutions alone on any conscience objections they had on providing certain medical coverages, like the abortifacients and contraceptions. They should have been willing to stand on the principal of individual liberty (not just religious liberty) and self-responsibility. That the Dems undercut them on this should surprise no one.

Also, I respect the Church’s strong stand on their principles against the HHS mandate. But they would have a lot more credibility if the governing hierarchy of the Catholic Church would have taken an equally strong stand when they knew some of their own priests were abusing children. Instead of kicking those priests to the curb and turning them over to law enforcement, they covered it all up and simply moved the offending priests to other locales where they could prey on still more kids.

Bitter Clinger on February 27, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Probably too much to hope for but……would it not be a great thing if the Catholic Church would go after this for what it really is,,an attack on religion. Then the SCOTUS grabs this and tears down all of Obama care. The very reason that the Puritans and others came to this “country” would again probably be the very reason that our country gets life support and begins to recover by overthrowing the new monarchy. The Lord certainly works in mysterious ways.

retiredeagle on February 27, 2012 at 12:38 PM

We should be concerned about the Liberal/Democrat contempt for the separation of Church and State. Democrats actually want to replace the Church with the State.

Blue Collar Todd on February 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

you’re right. It is the pagan view of the government. The government is the highest authority in the land, it is responsible to no one, not God, and thus can dictate on all issues, economic, religious, morality etc.—merely by edict.

ted c on February 27, 2012 at 12:39 PM

The Cardinal has it right. Obamba’s view of government is like an octopus extending its tentacles in all directions until is finally chokes the life out of everything it touches. The octopus has to be stopped, by any means available.

rjulio on February 27, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Blinding flash of the obvious here, this is the plan behind Obamacare. Create a demand the health system can’t handle, collapse the health care industry, the government provides health care for all unless you are sick. Then the death panel will decide your life isn’t worth the expense. Cardinal George wasn’t paying attention.

TulsAmerican on February 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Yep, and when those hospitals give it up and close, they’ll be declared too big to fail, and little Bammie will take them over, -Government Hospital.

slickwillie2001 on February 27, 2012 at 12:39 PM

canopfor on February 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Great, just what we need. A war criminal running for high public office (just ask the Vietnamese).

Happy Nomad on February 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM

nathor on February 27, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Because it’s only religious liberty when you deem it to be acceptable.

NotCoach on February 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM

The Cardinal has it right. Obamba’s view of government is like an octopus extending its tentacles in all directions until is finally chokes the life out of everything it touches. The octopus has to be stopped, by any means available.

rjulio on February 27, 2012 at 12:39 PM

So why did the RCC think it could work with government to set the terms of the health care reform bill? Faustian bargain much?

gryphon202 on February 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM

an arrogance without precedent in the US

ARROGANCE has been the “historic” and “unprecedented” hallmark of the current administration.

GarandFan on February 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM

My current health insurance covers Ed drugs since some providers actually treat ED as a medical condition which can lead to depression and suicide. So yes in some circles ED is treated as a medical condition and the catholic church has no issue paying for those drugs…

liberal4life on February 27, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Asked and answered in Ed’s post. Time to move on.

BuckeyeSam on February 27, 2012 at 12:40 PM

LMAO.

Deja Vu or friggin’ what?

Tim_CA on February 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

If I was a conspiracy theory guy I might think nathor and Jailbait were the same, except Jailbait uses all caps a lot and nathor never caps anything. Funny.

Bmore on February 27, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Why is the catholic church ok with supporting via.gra for male employees but are not ok with supporting birth control for female employees?

I don’t know that your premise is true but given that one drug enables procreation treats the impairment of a natural biologic function and the other prevents it prevents a natural biologic function may have something to do with such a scenario. Duhhhhh.

tommyboy on February 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

FIFY…:)

txmomof6 on February 27, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Obowmao:
Catholic Church Law = BAD
Sharia Law = GOOD

BeachBum on February 27, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Cardinal George is laying in a bed that the Catholic church helped create starting decades ago when they began to tie their belief in charity, giving and social work to the idea that the government was an equal, moral and ethical partner.

I am sure he was perfectly fine with the mandates that other people had to perform… but now that the gored ox is his the bishops suddenly want to be free of their government BFF.

JackBurtonJr on February 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

The damned thing about it is that the Catholic Church should have learned their lesson from the numerous times that whenever their charity organizations lie in bed with local govts out in the mission fields, they always end up getting shafted by the govt. This is why many an Evangelical mission will never accept govt money, unless they have no intention of controlling & operating a certain service.

AH_C on February 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Are Catholic Schools going to close down too ?

moc23 on February 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

I am sure he was perfectly fine with the mandates that other people had to perform… but now that the gored ox is his the bishops suddenly want to be free of their government BFF.

JackBurtonJr on February 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Yes, the Catholic church has no problem with Barry Hussein ignoring the constitution when it suits their own agenda. For example, they’ve been very supportive of his refusal to enforce federal immigration laws. But they get morally outraged when the exercise of Barry’s dictatorial powers infringes on their interests. How dare he!

AZCoyote on February 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM

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