Video: Dem Rep booed by constituents over HHS mandate

posted at 10:15 am on February 25, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Rep. Kathy Hochul expected to get some questions on the economy and on gas prices when she met with constituents in New York’s 26th Congressional district last night.  Instead, the freshman Democrat got booed by a crowded room over her support for the HHS mandate on contraception and abortifacients, and spent the evening getting an earful from angry voters:

When Hochul spoke in support of the President, the crowd booed. Many in the audience carried signs, including one that read: “Kathy why have you betrayed our Catholic institutions?” One woman in the crowd told Hochul: “This President has lied to us repeatedly when he proclaims support for conscience protection in his infamous speech at Notre Dame as well as in the executive order he signed following passage of the health care law. He is not worthy of your support in this matter.” Another man shouted “It’s an insult to the Catholics in this country to even listen to that gibberish. It is an absolute insult and Catholics deserve better. We were taking care of this country’s sick long before the government got involved in it.”

Pastor Leon Bienart of Our Lady of Pompeii Church also asked Hochul if the President or Congress consulted with Catholic bishops before they issued the policy. Hochul replied that it was a good question and she would try to get an answer. The Congresswoman also replied this way to the questions and criticism “We’re not gonna agree on this one. I’m gonna tell you that I will stand for our religious freedoms. But I don’t see a conflict here. Now that there’s been an accommodation that says religious institutions do not have to provide these services. So we’re just going to have to disagree on that.”

The meeting was heavily publicized on Catholic radio and many Catholic organizations encouraged people to attend and discuss the contraception issue. It was also brought up specifically by Father Beinart during his Mass on February 5th when he criticized President Obama and Congresswoman Hochul.

A week ago or so, Duane Patterson and I got into a debate on my show over the impact of the HHS mandate on Catholic voters.  Duane worried that Barack Obama had split Catholic voters, but I reminded Duane that the Catholic vote is always split, and usually tilts slightly towards Democrats.  Obama won the Catholic vote by nine points in 2008.  What Obama did was unify Catholics — and not just Catholics, either — in opposition to his arrogance.  Bishops and priests are organizing opposition to this mandate, and this is just one small measure of the result.

Hochul, it should be remembered, is only in office because of Chris Lee’s virtual tomcatting on Internet dating sites.  He resigned when the scandal broke, and Hochul won the special election in an R+6 district one year ago.  It was one of the few rays of sunshine for Democrats midway through Obama’s term, but her chances of winning again seem to be dimming substantially in NY-26.  This is a small measure of the political miscalculation made by Obama and his administration on the mandate, and perhaps a signal to opponents of the mandate in other districts to follow suit.

Update: This claim from Hochul is categorically false:

“We’re not gonna agree on this one. I’m gonna tell you that I will stand for our religious freedoms. But I don’t see a conflict here. Now that there’s been an accommodation that says religious institutions do not have to provide these services. So we’re just going to have to disagree on that.”

They still have to provide insurance to their employees that includes free contraception and abortifacients.  Who pays for the insurance?  The religious organizations that get forced to facilitate those transactions, since they can no longer opt out of offering the insurance and must pay a large part of the premiums — and in some cases, the religious organizations self-insure, which means the money comes directly out of their pockets rather than indirectly.  Either way, they most certainly still do have to “provide these services.”  Hochul either is woefully misinformed or willfully lying to her constituents.


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So does the mandate apply to muslim-run hospitals and organizations?

Muslims are COMPLETEY exempt from Obamacare, DUE TO THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

Ironic, huh?

TeresainFortWorth welcome aboard. I haven’t seen you before. I like your fire.
Mirimichi on February 25, 2012 at 2:33 PM

I’ve been here a couple of years – I don’t always comment on here (I’ve still got one kid at home, and I read a lot of other blogs, so…. :P )

TeresainFortWorth on February 25, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Ever driven down stretches of I-20, I-30, I-40, etc., IN BETWEEN the major cities? There is PLENTY of unused real estate out there where people don’t live.

TeresainFortWorth on February 25, 2012 at 2:25 PM

There is no way I’m gonna’ take libnuts side, bit those stretches you reference Especially I-20 and I-30 are getting fewer, and farther between. Its a good thing you didn’t include I-35 (E and W) or US 75.

All these dang yankees moving down.

cozmo on February 25, 2012 at 2:41 PM

What are women to do? I’ll give you one novel notion: Don’t have sex with a man who does not use a condom. Transfer the onus for buying birth control to your male partner. No raincoat, no nookie. Period.

totherightofthem on February 25, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Wow, what a fascinating exchange:

libfreeordie on February 25, 2012 at 11:48 AM

And that’s an option you can follow.

You’ve never worked for a living, have you? Of course not; welfare-addicted Obama Party members like yourself have no experience in the private sector, and thus would know that those so-called “garnishments” are by your choice.

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM

The response:

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM

I have to give you credit. Few individuals could sustain that level of deranged rage towards total strangers for as long as you have. *slow clap*

libfreeordie on February 25, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Notice, Class, how there is absolutely no denial of the bolded question? Just an Alinskyesque “reply” back.

Now dallas has the ball again:

libfreeordie on February 25, 2012 at 12:26 PM

LOL, anyone who has worked in the private sector knows that you don’t HAVE to buy employer-sponsored health insurance.

You don’t. Therefore, it is quite safe to state that you’ve never worked in the private sector.

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM

And the final feeble response?

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM

I have no interest in debating with someone who’s only argument is “you’re a liar.”

libfreeordie on February 25, 2012 at 12:37 PM

lol, and that’s all she wrote. Notice again how the Subject once again never denies not having worked in the public sector, and in fact not once in this exchange ever denied not having worked at all?

Class Dismissed. An A+ to northdallasthirty for dispatching libfreeordie from the thread in the span of 15 minutes.

Del Dolemonte on February 25, 2012 at 2:47 PM

But I don’t see a conflict here. Now that there’s been an accommodation that says religious institutions do not have to provide these services. So we’re just going to have to disagree on that.”

And the “accommodation” is even worse, it’s plain scary!

Obama and the Democrats are saying that since it was politically inconvenient for them to make the Catholics pay for abortions, they’ll just confiscate the insurance companies’ money and make them pay instead of the Catholics.

No!

RJL on February 25, 2012 at 2:53 PM

What are women to do? I’ll give you one novel notion: Don’t have sex with a man who does not use a condom. Transfer the onus for buying birth control to your male partner. No raincoat, no nookie. Period.
totherightofthem on February 25, 2012 at 2:45 PM

This has the ADDED bonus of greatly cutting down on STD’s, which will ALSO bring the cost of “insurance” down.

But that doesn’t fit into the feminist’s view of men being evil creatures who are only to be tolerated as instruments of sexual gratification….

TeresainFortWorth on February 25, 2012 at 2:57 PM

This has the ADDED bonus of greatly cutting down on STD’s, which will ALSO bring the cost of “insurance” down.

TeresainFortWorth on February 25, 2012 at 2:57 PM

You left out the benefit for the guys. Not having to worry if that girl is looking for an early degree in Mrs.

cozmo on February 25, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Who is john galt
I second that, ill pay monthly to rent the HAMMER!
angrymike on February 25, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Uhhh . . . you and me is pals, right ‘mike ? : )

listens2glenn on February 25, 2012 at 3:04 PM

It’s a good thing you didn’t include I-35 (E and W) or US 75.
All these dang yankees moving down.
cozmo on February 25, 2012 at 2:41 PM

LOL!!!

I hear ya – we’re having to find different ways to get to my MIL’s house, because of all of the folks moving in along I-35 between FTW and San Antonio….

But there’s still LOTS of wide open spaces in all of the states – All of the “population control” proponents just can’t be bothered to get out among the “great unwashed” to have observed that.

I mean, Good Heavens! If there isn’t a Neiman-Marcus/Saks/Macy’s withing walking distance, you can’t POSSIBLY call it “civilization”, now can you?

And Heaven forbid that they should be required to shop in a – gasp! – Wal-Mart or Target; my goodness, they wouldn’t be able to show their face in the “no-Jews-or-blacks-allowed” Country Club ever agein!

TeresainFortWorth on February 25, 2012 at 3:06 PM

I second that, ill pay monthly to rent the HAMMER!
angrymike on February 25, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Uhhh . . . you and me is pals, right ‘mike ? : )

listens2glenn on February 25, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Although I admit that it would be fun to hammer the trolls, I think it’s best to keep the ones like lib around to constantly remind us of the deranged reasoning me must contend with and defeat.

Yoop on February 25, 2012 at 3:15 PM

“If you like your church you can keep your church.” BHO

Harbingeing on February 25, 2012 at 3:16 PM

I mean, Good Heavens! If there isn’t a Neiman-Marcus/Saks/Macy’s withing walking distance, you can’t POSSIBLY call it “civilization”, now can you?

TeresainFortWorth on February 25, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Ok, being so old, and living in a township with a population of about 30 live people, what is a Neiman-Marcus/Saks/Macy’s? Is that some kind of huntin’ ranch or is it a liberal bible camp?

Yoop on February 25, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Notice that the lib-freaks are making up their own bill of “rights”? Homosexual marriage, healthcare(contraception), etc.. All the libs’ “rights” trump and overrule the rights in black and white in the constitution(primarily freedom of religion).

yhxqqsn on February 25, 2012 at 3:21 PM

I must have missed something: when did the government mandate that viagra and ED meds have to be provided FREE? Yet that seems to be what those claiming equivalence to birth control meds and ED meds are saying.

Are women living in a country where birth control pills are not readily available living an “unhealthy” life? If so, I suppose women have been living unhealthy lives through history, up to fifty years ago.

How is not providing birth control meds to women, free or not, a “health” issue in the same way providing meds to men to overcome a physical DYSFUNCTION?

And what about the health RISKS associated with the pill? If a woman has a family risk of getting blood clots and embolisms from taking “free” birth control pills, will doctors not be able to prescribe them, since they are a “right”?

In any case, this is first and foremost a Religious Freedom issue, not a medical insurance issue.

fulldroolcup on February 25, 2012 at 3:29 PM

What are women to do? I’ll give you one novel notion: Don’t have sex with a man who does not use a condom. Transfer the onus for buying birth control to your male partner. No raincoat, no nookie. Period.

totherightofthem on February 25, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Or if you’re a real baller you make them bring one.

whiskeytango on February 25, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Well I asked this on the first page. And someone said they are exempt – is that true?

BTW, is he exempting muslims from this health strangle hold? Whether we acknowledge it or not, the muslims have up to 4 wives even living in this country and they have many children from those 4 wives. So, I believe this id the way he wants to shift the country? Kill all the black and white babies and the muslims gain control of our government in not too many years.

Watching the muslims immigrate to the US, they come with one man and one wife and several aunts who bring in their children. Who believes they are aunts? They really are the other wives. The children are very careful in school to identify the children as cousins and not as siblings. Right!

Why isn’t this acknowledged by anyone?

Bambi on February 25, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Bambi on February 25, 2012 at 3:44 PM

I’m sure some cars would’ve been set on fire etc

whiskeytango on February 25, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Bambi, yes, Muslims are exempt from having to participate in Obamacare – DUE TO THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
Ironic, no?

TeresainFortWorth on February 25, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Whenever preventative medicine is discussed I hear the argument “keeping people healthy will bring down medical costs.”

The number of smokers has been reduced by more than half of what it was just a couple of decades ago. I heard the same argument about that.

Health care costs didn’t go up because people were unhealthier. Costs have gone up because people go to the doctor or hospital for more trivial things than they used to and because the federal government got involved in setting prices.

The more government is involved in health care the more prices will go up.

TugboatPhil on February 25, 2012 at 4:36 PM

TeresainFortWorth on February 25, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Where does it say (or not) that Muslims are excluded? Seems if this were the case, Christians would have a sweet lawsuit re: equal protection & religious freedom and could likewise get exemptions.

linlithgow on February 25, 2012 at 4:59 PM

I am sure CNN,CBS,…are all over this!?

Catholics need to stop voting for these liberal Democrats in the first place.

Irenaeus on February 25, 2012 at 5:20 PM

There’s nothing about employment that requires fairness between blacks and whites, but its still illegal for employers to racially discriminate. What insurance is “supposed” to cover is determined like most things in this society, through debate, struggle, disagreement and eventual compromise. It seems you’re mostly upset at the victory of feminists, which also points to the centrality of sexual freedom to the issue, more than anything else.

libfreeordie on February 25, 2012 at 12:34 PM

The victory of feminists, if that is what you want to call it, is not a victory for women, it is a victory for Planned Parenthood, which is the organization that was behind this provision of Obamacare from the beginning. You might ask yourself why that is. Kathleen Sebelius stacked the HHS advisory panel with former PP officers and supporters, and they magically came back with a recommendation that contraceptives be labled as preventive care and covers 100%.

You know who that helps most? Planned Parenthood.

People on both sides of this issue are wrong. It is not a deliberate assault on religion or the first amendment, and it is not a huge victory for women. It is a crony capitalist subsidy for Planned Parenthood, which stands to get MILLIONS of dollars from insurance companies now for birth control pills is used to give out for free, and for Democratic candidates, who will get more campaign contributions from PP as a result.

rockmom on February 25, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Muslims are COMPLETEY exempt from Obamacare, DUE TO THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

Ironic, huh?

TeresainFortWorth on February 25, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Very ironic!

bw222 on February 25, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Under Obamacare, what insurance is supposed to cover will be determined by some unnamed bureaucrats in HHS, who have no background in insurance, based on recommendations from a “panel of experts” which has been stacked by Kathleen Sebelius. Obamacare turns insurance companies into public utilities which all must offer the same coverage. There will be no savings from competition and the premiums will supposedly be kept down by forcing healthy people to buy insurance who are not now buying it.

rockmom on February 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM

the idea that muslims are already exempt from obamacare is so far a myth- it has not been decided. not that i trust master kitty sebelius on it- because she’s the one who will decide who gets exempted. the framework is focused on established religions- there is no protection for the individual and his freedom of conscience.

however, i have no illusions that muslims will be given an exemption to this monstrosity- but christians and jews will be denied. oh yeah, and us pagans too -no exemption for us.

this is unlike romneycare where individuals can exempt themselves from romneycare for reasons of “deeply held belief”-of their own accord,sans backing of a recognized organized religious body, on their tax forms without the approval or disapproval of any government agency. obamacare centers those ‘deeply held beliefs’ as being only an objection to insurance not on any deeply held belief such as those held by christian scientists opposing medical intervention. or the amish-who actually are exempted from social security taxes because they do not apply for aid.

“personal religious objections will not exempt them from the mandate.”personal religious objections do exempt one from romneycare.

but illegal aliens,first nations american indians, foreign nationals, incarcerated felons are all at least exempt from paying the penalty for not having obamacare-welcome to our new improved social justice constitution of the american soviet union. illegal aliens are also exempted from the penalty of romneycare. guess whom employers in MA struggling with staggering insurance costs are most likely to hire especially because in martha coakley’s state “illegals aren’t doing anything illegal”?

http://www.wnd.com/2010/04/137221/

mittens on February 25, 2012 at 6:36 PM

For some Catholics to attack this women and Obama over this
shows you just how out of touch most Catholics are. They have been voting for these dogs for 60 years now and all of a sudden this is going to wake some of them up?

So killing millions of innocent unborn babies for years have been just fine for many Catholics but now something like this is going to have them vote Republican????

Shain1611 on February 25, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Rixon on February 25, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Though I’m now Catholic-strangely enough-I was born/raised in a Jewish-conservative family.
The day after Carter was elected I informed my teacher that Carter couldn’t have won because my ‘mommy and daddy didn’t vote for him!’.
I was 6.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Endorsed by NARAL Pro-Choice New York

REALLY my fellow Catholics why are we voting for these Pro-Death Reps?! We will reap what we sow. Or is OK if they “fix” the economy?!

NARAL Pro-Choice New York today announced the endorsement of Kathy Hochul for New York’s 26th Congressional District.

NARAL’s Executive Director called Hochul a pro-choice voice, who will lead the charge for women’s health care: “Kathy Hochul will be a powerful counterpoint to the opponents of women’s health care who won their seats by claiming to be worried about jobs and the economy and then wasted no time pulling a destructive bait and switch. Kathy Hochul will stand up to those who would deny women access to critical health care services, while her opponent will stand with them.”

“I am deeply grateful for the support of NARAL Pro-Choice New York,” said Hochul. “Once in Congress, I will fight alongside NARAL Pro-Choice New York to ensure women have access to safe and adequate health services, without any interference from the federal government.”
Source: 2012 House campaign website, kathyhochul.com, Press Release , May 24, 2011

Irenaeus on February 25, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Double down again chick

jake49 on February 25, 2012 at 7:53 PM

“If you like your church you can keep your church.” BHO

Harbingeing on February 25, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Except that the jug-eared bastard and the “Catholic” partisan whore at HHS get to decide what your church believes based on their own ideology. No thanks.

Why the RCC has not gone out and excommunicated all these supposedly devout “Catholics” is beyond my understanding. Pelosi, Biden, Sebelius, any of these people should not be part of the faith they so clearly do not support.

Happy Nomad on February 25, 2012 at 8:09 PM

I might actually go back to church again, only if we vote out Obama and repeal Obamacare

Kini on February 25, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Catholics need to stop voting for these liberal Democrats in the first place.

Irenaeus on February 25, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Unless one is a deadbeat, unwilling to work (to survive or get ahead), there really is no reason to be a democrat.

The only thing democrats have going for them is, they tax the people who have worked the hardest (generally not the democrat base) and take that money and give it to their base, in exchange for votes.

Without dumb people to oppress and keep on the “democrat plantation,” democrats would have no base to exploit.

Granted, there are a lot of dumb/lazy people in America.

BruthaMan on February 25, 2012 at 9:26 PM

TeresainFortWorth on February 25, 2012 at 2:25 PM

There is no way I’m gonna’ take libnuts side, bit those stretches you reference Especially I-20 and I-30 are getting fewer, and farther between. Its a good thing you didn’t include I-35 (E and W) or US 75.

All these dang yankees moving down.
cozmo on February 25, 2012 at 2:41 PM

seems just like yesteryear, that there were cow pastures on the side of US 121, 75 and elsewhere within the I-635 loop.

It may come as a shock to libtards but the whole of the USA can be self-sustaining with a population of one billion–if the govt got out of the way with their ridiculous environut policies.

As noted by others, libtards are a deadend branch of the human race within a couple of decades. We conservatives have to hold them off long enough from driving the country to ruin.

AH_C on February 25, 2012 at 9:33 PM

My thanks to President Obama, who may have single-handedly turned Catholics against the DNC in just three years. If only he’d insult the Jews.

Oh wait.

Black Adam on February 25, 2012 at 10:17 PM

This is no good. Democrats are going to to start screening meet-ups with the constituents and using union storm troopers again. Should be a fun summer. Guess the 2010 mid-term election results didn’t teach them a dang thing.

Jurisprudence on February 26, 2012 at 1:45 AM

People in this district do have a choice. David Bellavia is once again going to try a run for this seat. If the name isn’t familiar do a quick search of it with the search engine of your choice. Hint: House to House: The Battle for Fallujah.

Just A Grunt on February 26, 2012 at 7:53 AM

Hochul either is woefully misinformed or willfully lying to her constituents.

I’ll go for the second option on this.

Forcing insurance companies to offer this stuff ‘free’ means it is spread amongst all of those paying into it: you still end up paying for this even if you have objections to it on moral grounds.

This is the problem with the State running ANYTHING: the use of negative liberties power against the people is a threat to their liberty and freedom.

Obamacare must go.

This Nation must be weaned off of the ‘entitlements’ or we soon won’t have a Nation and won’t have any ‘entitlements’ left.

Charity works efficiently as it must cut overhead and has dedication to purpose far beyond any set of regulations or charter. The worst charities can have a 20% overhead while the federal government, at its best, has a 35% overhead cost. The best charities can pare down costs, utilize volunteers and get the help of other organizations to pare down overhead to 1%… while the worst of government can get into 55%+ overhead rate.

Stop taking my money from me in taxes and I will pay out to more charities than I already do. I’m not rich but can go north of just 10% for charities if government isn’t taking it from my pocket. Get this government off of my back so that I, as a citizen, can dedicate time, effort and money to building a stronger society via its people, not getting them dependent on a tyrannical government.

ajacksonian on February 26, 2012 at 7:57 AM

The Catholics (of which I was one for decades) deserve this. The Catholic clergy for decades have been supporting every liberal sop you can imagine other than abortion. I heard so many sermons that could have been written by Marx I gave up on the church. Personally, I think that after the 40′s the quality of the clergy declined rapidly so that by the 70′s the church was recruiting lower intelligence clergy. This resulted in a clergy that did not have the intellectual capacity to appreciate the evil of socialism and big government. Given the central control inherent in the Catholic Church, this could be fixed by the Pope and US cardinals and bishops, but they won’t. The Catholic Church will continue its devolution.

Over50 on February 26, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Over50 on February 26, 2012 at 9:21 AM

It is truly fortunate for the rest of us Catholics who have not lost our faith that you count yourself apart from us.

Fair weather Catholics are as useful as football bats.

Roy Rogers on February 26, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Uh, what was the percentage of “Catholics” who voted for BO and his liberal cohorts back in 2008? Something like 54%. Hopefully they’ve awaken, but something tells me they’ll fall in line once again…

jbh45 on February 26, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Something tells me that Obama never learned to respect people who cling to their religion.

School is in session.

Roy Rogers on February 26, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Fair weather Catholics are as useful as football bats.

Roy Rogers on February 26, 2012 at 11:37 AM

What a bunch of thumb-sucking bilge. The Church has been propping up every liberal policy imaginable for decades now, and not said one peep to public officials who claim to be ‘Catholic’ while being pro-abortion 110% of the time.

Now you’re whining because the socialist scum have made a policy that boomeranged back and clobbered YOU.

MelonCollie on February 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

It is truly fortunate for the rest of us Catholics who have not lost our faith that you count yourself apart from us.

Fair weather Catholics are as useful as football bats.

Roy Rogers on February 26, 2012 at 11:37 AM

What do I say to this kind of blind self-serving trust in a human institution?

/facepalm

gryphon202 on February 26, 2012 at 1:03 PM

“We were taking care of this country’s sick long before the government got involved in it.”

I love that the guy said this.

I notice increasingly it doesn’t matter what the people want. The government just tells everybody what to do. On every little thing.

Alana on February 26, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Hochul either is woefully misinformed or willfully lying to her constituents.

These two are not mutually exclusive as in fact Most PROGRESSIVES are both misinformed, and abject liars!

ConcealedKerry on February 26, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Over50 on February 26, 2012 at 9:21 AM

It is truly fortunate for the rest of us Catholics who have not lost our faith that you count yourself apart from us.

Fair weather Catholics are as useful as football bats.

Roy Rogers on February 26, 2012 at 11:37 AM

As I said, the Catholic church lost its way back in the late 60′s early 70′s and has never recovered. It adopted socialistic policies without realizing that when Jesus said to be your brother’s keeper he did not mean to use Caesar’s Praetorian Guard to take money from someone else and give it to your brother.

Over50 on February 26, 2012 at 4:11 PM

As I said, the Catholic church lost its way back in the late 60′s early 70′s and has never recovered. It adopted socialistic policies without realizing that when Jesus said to be your brother’s keeper he did not mean to use Caesar’s Praetorian Guard to take money from someone else and give it to your brother.

Over50 on February 26, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Looks more like you lost your way little lamb.

Roy Rogers on February 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM

The Catholic Church has survived every attack over the past two thousand years from people more powerful than pathetic liberals and you “faux” faithful.

You think you have what it takes to tear it down, give it your best shot. I’m putting my faith in the Church.

Roy Rogers on February 26, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Poor, poor Babylon, doesn’t want to buy birth control./

Forget this crap about details. The whole dang mandatory insurance scam is unconstitutional. It’s purpose to force taxpayers to subsidize the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, and their puppets in government.

S. D. on February 26, 2012 at 4:33 PM

The Catholic Church has survived every attack over the past two thousand years from people more powerful than pathetic liberals and you “faux” faithful.

You think you have what it takes to tear it down, give it your best shot. I’m putting my faith in the Church.

Roy Rogers on February 26, 2012 at 4:18 PM

I don’t desire to tear down any religious institution, least of all the one I grew up in. But I don’t need to be a true believer to be a hypocrite like the modern church leaders are.

gryphon202 on February 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I don’t desire to tear down any religious institution, least of all the one I grew up in. But I don’t need to be a true believer to be a hypocrite like the modern church leaders are.

gryphon202 on February 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Better to toss road apples from the sidelines, huh?

Believe or don’t believe, it’s your God given choice. Rest assured that the more the Church is attacked, the stronger it becomes, and the more united people of faith become against Obama.

Episcopalian-Anglican, Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Mormon, Jewish and even Muslim ministers, have joined Roman Catholic bishops, priests and laity in appearing at congressional hearings to denounce “Obama’s HHS mandate.”

Roy Rogers on February 26, 2012 at 5:57 PM

With just a little over 8 months until the November election it is time to get organized!

David Bellavia is exploring a possible run for Congress as a Republican candidate against Democrat Rep. Kathy Hochul in NY-26.

Here is David Bellavia’s exploratory campaign website:

http://davidbellavia.com/

If you live in or near NY-26, please let us all know what you think of David Bellavia or anybody else who might be running against Rep. Kathy Hochul.

It is time to VOTE KATHY HOCHUL OUT OF OFFICE!

wren on February 26, 2012 at 6:29 PM

The Catholic bishops, by and large, wanted Obamacare.

…..

They got it.

Make a deal with the Devil, you’re bound to get burned.

Hawkins1701 on February 26, 2012 at 6:58 PM

The Catholic bishops, by and large, wanted Obamacare.

…..

They got it.

Make a deal with the Devil, you’re bound to get burned.

Hawkins1701 on February 26, 2012 at 6:58 PM

During the debate over Obamacare, the president promised that no taxpayer dollars would be used to pay for abortions under the bill.

Yep! Obama is now getting burned!

Roy Rogers on February 26, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Bishops Renew Call to Legislative Action on Religious Liberty

The Catholic bishops have long supported access to life-affirming healthcare for all, and the conscience rights of everyone involved in the complex process of providing that healthcare. That is why we raised two serious objections to the “preventive services” regulation issued by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in August 2011.

First, we objected to the rule forcing private health plans — nationwide, by the stroke of a bureaucrat’s pen—to cover sterilization and contraception, including drugs that may cause abortion. All the other mandated “preventive services” prevent disease, and pregnancy is not a disease. Moreover, forcing plans to cover abortifacients violates existing federal conscience laws. Therefore, we called for the rescission of the mandate altogether.

Second, we explained that the mandate would impose a burden of unprecedented reach and severity on the consciences of those who consider such “services” immoral: insurers forced to write policies including this coverage; employers and schools forced to sponsor and subsidize the coverage; and individual employees and students forced to pay premiums for the coverage. We therefore urged HHS, if it insisted on keeping the mandate, to provide a conscience exemption for all of these stakeholders—not just the extremely small subset of “religious employers” that HHS proposed to exempt initially.

It should also be noted:

Barack Obama Admits He Supported Infanticide

Roy Rogers on February 26, 2012 at 7:59 PM

During the debate over Obamacare, the president promised that no taxpayer dollars would be used to pay for abortions under the bill.

Yep! Obama is now getting burned!

Roy Rogers on February 26, 2012 at 7:43 PM

What kind of damnable fools were the liberal Catholics for taking Obama at his word? And why should we accept that the bishops “opposed” Obamacare when the whole stinking thing was un-freaking-constitutional to begin with?

gryphon202 on February 26, 2012 at 9:30 PM

The Catholic bishops, by and large, wanted Obamacare.

…..

They got it.

Make a deal with the Devil, you’re bound to get burned.

Hawkins1701 on February 26, 2012 at 6:58 PM

The Catholic Bishops didn’t want Obamacare as it ended up. But they did want something that would inevitably violate our constitution, even if not the conscience of RCC leadership.

gryphon202 on February 26, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Roy, you’re no brighter than the Catholic bishops. In line with the general decline in the intellectual capability of the clergy, the bishops supported government enforcement of a social program, that excluded any concomitant responsibility, that was created by the most left wing members of our government. The proper position of the Bishops should have been “We believe everyone should receive a certain minimum level of healthcare. We believe everyone has certain personal responsibilities, to the extent of their natural God given abilities, to take steps to maintain their health. The Catholic Church does not believe in using the police powers of the government to force people to provide care for others. We believe it is a Christian obligation for each person to voluntarily contribute to help those who need health care despite their personal efforts to maintain their health.”

The bishops and the Catholic Church made a deal with the devil and are only going to be saved by the Supreme Court.

Over50 on February 26, 2012 at 11:10 PM

The bishops and the Catholic Church made a deal with the devil and are only going can only hope to be saved by the Supreme Court.

Over50 on February 26, 2012 at 11:10 PM

FIFY.

gryphon202 on February 26, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Like I said, you and yours are no match for the Church. Flail away if it makes you feel better, or smarter.

Roy Rogers on February 27, 2012 at 12:32 AM

I would buy that she’s a complete idiot, she is a Democrat politician.

NoDonkey on February 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Why is it that not one demorat ever dissagrees with obamba? They all stick together like stink on $ht. They should all turn to algae, at least that would provide something useful.

rjulio on February 27, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Like I said, you and yours are no match for the Church. Flail away if it makes you feel better, or smarter.

Roy Rogers on February 27, 2012 at 12:32 AM

No match for the church? Are you trying to be funny? The church can’t force me to do shit. It needs government’s help for that, hence the RCC-American alliance for “health care reform.” Go to hell, douchebag.

gryphon202 on February 27, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Rage against the Church!!!

ROFLMAO!!!

Roy Rogers on February 27, 2012 at 11:57 AM

We keep talking about this “mandate” and the “accomodation,” but why isn’t anyone flogging the FACT that Obimbo does not have the Constitutional authority to make the mandate IN THE FIRST PLACE?

PJ Emeritus on February 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM

This is reaping what you sow. Not for the Rep but for the idiot pro-life Catholics that VOTED FOR A DEMOCRAT! What on earth could the Democratic party have done in IN YOUR ENTIRE LIVES to make you think they were pro-life?

Dumb, dumb, dumb!

This is like a group of Jewish Democrats getting all upset over the party’s lack of support for Israel. Well DUHHH!

Anyway, hopefully they’ve learned their lesson and will never repeat their mistake.

Benaiah on February 27, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Gee, imagine if conservative Republicans in that district had actually UNITED and ORGANIZED for GOTV way back when:

http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2011/05/31/ny-cd-26-conservatives-cant-blame-dense-tea-partiers-only-themselves-and-maybe-a-lack-of-rvotes/

Thank you.

Cold Warrior

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

Cold Warrior on February 28, 2012 at 12:01 AM

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