Jeb Bush: “I used to be a conservative”

posted at 1:55 pm on February 24, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Jeb Bush isn’t sure where he fits in the panoply of Republican Party leaders anymore. During a Q&A session after a speech in Dallas yesterday, the former Florida governor confessed that he doesn’t know what to make of the direction the current GOP candidates have taken Republican rhetoric:

“I used to be a conservative and I watch these debates and I’m wondering, I don’t think I’ve changed, but it’s a little troubling sometimes when people are appealing to people’s fears and emotion rather than trying to get them to look over the horizon for a broader perspective and that’s kind of where we are,” said the former Florida Governor. “I think it changes when we get to the general election. I hope.” …

Maybe Jeb is just perplexed he isn’t Republicans’ first choice for a White Knight to ride in and save the Republican Party at a brokered convention. Or maybe he genuinely thinks negativity has subsumed the positive message Republicans have to offer:

The younger brother of former president George W. Bush also weighed in on the debate Republicans and Democrats are having over the national economy.

“If you want to narrow the income gap, there are two ways to do it. One, you punish people that are successful and try to narrow it that way and that’s the president’s approach. Or you equip people that aspire for a better life to give them the tools and then you don’t try to manage that, you allow them to pursue those dreams as they see fit. That to me is the better approach and it requires a celebration of success.”

Bush both misses and has a point.

First, the point he misses: The current GOP candidates — for all of the flaws they have in their pasts — consistently deliver conservative rhetoric. Their talk is tough on everything from entitlement reform to tax reform to immigration reform. They’re all anchored in the idea that rights are inalienable, unable to be granted nor revoked by government. They primarily respect the moral order, the idea that decisions have consequences and that individuals should have to take responsibility for the decisions they make. In many instances, their tone has been a triumph of conservatism, a signal that the candidates recognize that GOP voters want a conservative nominee. Sometimes, I think we don’t give the candidates enough credit for this truth.

Next, the point he makes: The candidates have frequently proved themselves to be poor politicians, succumbing to the temptations pitched to them by debate moderators and MSM interviewers. Journalists and observers alike are fascinated and interested in the horserace; they want to hear the candidates attack each other and pick apart each other’s past records. The candidates could certainly be better at not taking the bait and at pivoting from pointed-but-irrelevant questions to the broad, positive themes of conservatism.


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Yup, there is a reason -it’s called the establishment ruling class GOP -no room for little folks.
They and only they get to pick the candidate. Oromney is but a smoke-filled back room pick. Just look how they pushed him on us but took down the competition.Palin etc.
They are the other side of the same big government coin -and will never over turn Oromneycare or Roe v Wade -that’s just voter bait talk.

Don L on February 24, 2012 at 2:22 PM

In truth, Romney isn’t a “smoke-filled back room pick”. He chose to run again after losing in 2008. The Establishment latched onto him because A.) they have a mentality of “who’s turn it is” (Romney ran in ’08, must be his turn), B.) he looks the part of President, C.) people knew his name from the ’08 contest, D.)most of all, he has a big war chest, and E.) he isn’t a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal conservative that will embarrass the party.

Bitter Clinger on February 24, 2012 at 2:31 PM

HitNRun on February 24, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Nicely done!!

Bitter Clinger on February 24, 2012 at 2:33 PM

For all the bile I’ve spilled on…hell, on every candidate this year, I’ll vote for any of them in November. I may not think that other people would vote for, say, Romney, but I certainly would.

If they foisted this Bush on us — the smartest Bush, they remind us! — I really would take visceral glee in not voting in November. I could even be persuaded to vote for Obama, in a fit of nihilistic frenzy. If we’re losing anyway – badly, with Bush, but even if he won in some parallel universe, we would still lose – who’s to say that one death is better than another?

HitNRun on February 24, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Hey, when did Jeb return from his intergalatic travels, he seems rather confused and out of touch ?

Sandybourne on February 24, 2012 at 2:33 PM

The candidates could certainly be better at not taking the bait and at pivoting from pointed-but-irrelevant questions to the broad, positive themes of conservatism.

Well, I think the way they are attempting this may be part of the problem. The candidates are so busy posturing as to which one is the most conservative that they fail to draw the marked contrasts between them and Obama. I grit my teeth at the lost opportunities in every debate.

a capella on February 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Jeb, Palin has conservative cojones and you don’t

ChuckTX on February 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Hey. Hi.

The establishment name calling around here hasn’t changed any minds so far. Try something else.

Yes, we’re all a part of the establishment. John McCain and George H. W. Bush are paying me to post on Hot Air and torment the poor oppressed Santorum bots. We all get full medical for this too. You know. Under ROMNEYCARE RAWWWRRRRRRRR.

Four more years of Obama. Unbelievable. Hopefully Bobby Jindal or Marco Rubio will run in 2016. Biden certainly isn’t capable of winning a presidential election. No amount of money can keep his foot out of his mouth.

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM

When was anyone names Bush a conservative?

BobScuba on February 24, 2012 at 2:36 PM

“I used to be a conservative” that should be the motto of Hotair.

CoolChange80 on February 24, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Jeb, Palin has conservative cojones and you don’t

ChuckTX on February 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Jeb stayed in the governor’s mansion for two full terms. Palin ran and hid on Fox News after half a term.

Argument destroyed.

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:37 PM

jeb would first have to be a Conservative before he could be an ex-Conservative.

Hard Right on February 24, 2012 at 2:38 PM

The only play in the Bush playbook is “appealing to people’s fears and emotion.”

The dumbest Bush yet wants to speak as it that were invented in this primary and by these candidates?! Seriously? What a sack of sh-t, Jeb is.

Jeb-the-azz is playing to people’s fears and emotions in the very statement he makes about fears and emotions.

kunegetikos on February 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM

No more Bushies please . ..

Pragmatic on February 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Tina Korbe… Mini Mark Levin. All Anger and Purity. No thought.

Critic2029 on February 24, 2012 at 2:30 PM

If only she could be as positive and creative as you.

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mankai on February 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM

“I used to be a conservative” – Ann Coulter and Matt Drudge

CoolChange80 on February 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Jindal, Jindal, Jindal. Maybe I’ll start a write in campaign.

dmn1972 on February 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM

“I used to be a conservative” was clearly a misspeak. For all his faults, Jeb is hardly a Crist Republican, and he is more conservative than his brother. He’s not a perfect conservative by any stretch, but he IS a conservative.

That said, this is not his year. I don’t want him to “save” the GOP by getting the nomination at a contested convention, and I doubt too many others outside the DC beltway do, either. The party does not want another Bush, and neither does the country at large. Maybe in 2016 or 2020, but not 2012.

That said, I see no reason for him to criticize the current crop of B-listers unless he’s giving consideration to tossing his hat into the ring at some point. And who wouldn’t with so many people in DC hoping it happend? But I bet common sense prevails and he stays on the sidelines.

DRayRaven on February 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Finally, I found someone who agrees with my analysis on Obama’s overrated 2008 campaign:

“Show me a candidate from the out-party running in an environment in which the incumbent averages 29 percent approval in the run-up to the election, in which the economy is in a recession and credit crisis, in which U.S. troops are deployed overseas in two unpopular wars, and I’ll show you a winner.” (Today”s Washington Free Beacon. Link at RCP).

What he doesn’t add is that Obama only got 52.8% of the vote in that perfect storm. This is his absolute ceiling. It’s not going to get any better than 2008 for him.

But what will it take for him to dip below 50%? Just one in 20 voters to flip.

Think about this, people! It’s almost assured he will lose that many votes. He’s a goner.

MaxMBJ on February 24, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Look, I get it. You’re scared. We’re all scared. But the people you’re lashing out at, calling names, and insulting are not your enemies.

That’s the mistake the establishment makes, and that’s the only sense in which I identified your tactics here as establishment.

My bottom line is that we’re all in this together. I’ll happily vote for anyone but Obama, even the establishment candidate, but stop acting like it’s somehow unconscionable to have objections to said candidate.

Nom de Boom on February 24, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Everyones a conservative when they want to get into office, unfortunately “conservatives” out themselves when they go back on their No New Taxes pledges, their pledges to cut the budget, when they wage wars to reform the hearts and minds of third world savages without the will to win, when they expand the entitlement state with free drug programs that usher in free healthcare, when they refuse to protect the borders which in the list of all the above is the only job government is supposed to do.

Jebs’ Father Bush II was no conservative and neither was his father before him. The last American conservative was Ronald Reagan the rest have pissed all over the word in deed.

ConcealedKerry on February 24, 2012 at 2:41 PM

I never understood the rationale behind a Jeb Bush presidency. He is no conservative, and neither were his dad and brother. We have had quite enough from the Bush family, we need to put them behind us. Is the Republican bench that shallow that we have to keep talking about Bush’s? Let’s not turn them into the Kennedy’s of the Republican side.

echosyst on February 24, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Palin didn’t hide . . . she chose her family’s economic survival…thanks to democrats and democrat sympathisers (like Romney’s supporters)

Pragmatic on February 24, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Jeb just crossed himself off the list of potential brokered convention candidates. What are we down to…. Daniels, Palin, and Rand Paul????

ModerateMan on February 24, 2012 at 2:42 PM

But what will it take for him to dip below 50%? Just one in 20 voters to flip.

Think about this, people! It’s almost assured he will lose that many votes. He’s a goner.

MaxMBJ on February 24, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Yep.

Nom de Boom on February 24, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:37 PM
Bullshite,
Sarah Palin has more courage than anyone in the party especially after the hell she has been dragged through. Walk a mile in her shoes and I would be stunned if you don’t put a bullet in your head. Sarah Palin is as tough as anybody you’ll ever meet. She is still standing.

CoolChange80 on February 24, 2012 at 2:43 PM

I sure hope tens of millions of Americans who plan to vote are on the same medication or illicit drugs Tina has been consuming in mass quantities lately. Me, I prefer to look at reality the way it is, not the way I would hope it would be and not to change it to what I want only in my own head.

astonerii on February 24, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Pragmatic on February 24, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Darn right. Idiots like Cordell don’t get it.

CoolChange80 on February 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:37 PM

So is that why Jeb is wetting himself now while Palin is taking it to Obama?

Bitter Clinger on February 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM

What took you so long to be honest?

Shain1611 on February 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Oh, please please nominate Jeb-duh.

A million Republicans going door-to-door for the Dem would be like the SMOD, but even more certain and thus welcome.

kunegetikos on February 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

“Used to be a conservative.”

Why in the world would a R politician say something like this? Have the GOP insiders have decided to make the word conservative an epithet and make the base look like rabble?

INC on February 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Argument destroyed.

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Yes. By ignoring half the facts, one could destroy any argument.

Congratulations. You’re a legend in your own mind.

Dongemaharu on February 24, 2012 at 2:47 PM

ModerateMan on February 24, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Christie’s keeping his profile high. He wants an invite…even if says he doesn’t.

Bitter Clinger on February 24, 2012 at 2:48 PM

he isn’t a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal conservative that will embarrass the party.

“The trees are just the right height here in Michigan.”

Right Mover on February 24, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Why all the posts about Jeb Bush lately? Does anyone actually care about anything that he has to say?

UltimateBob on February 24, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Jeb-duh could run third party with Cynthia McKinney. Except she wouldn’t want Jeb dragging down her ticket.

kunegetikos on February 24, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Palin didn’t hide . . . she chose her family’s economic survival…thanks to democrats and democrat sympathisers (like Romney’s supporters)

Let me understand what you’re saying. It was the fault of Romney supporters, or establishment Republicans, that Sarah Palin resigned as governor of Alaska.

I’m just curious, to the best of your knowledge, what is the quickest route between two points? A straight line or a bell curve?

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:50 PM

By ignoring half the facts,

You’re right. Ignoring half the facts is terrible. But ignoring half of your term of office as governor… well, that’s BRILLIANT.

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM

A word to all Republican insiders and elites .We really don,t care what you think anymore .We will take our party back and it will be a conservative party again. .So perhaps you and the rest of the enlighten one,s should fine a new party.I even have a name for it .The stupid and spineless party we stand for nothing so the democrats and news media will love us.

logman1 on February 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM

I’m just curious, to the best of your knowledge, what is the quickest route between two points? A straight line or a bell curve?

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Sarah Palin has a better chance of being elected over another bush

Flapjackmaka on February 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM

NOOOOOOO more Bushs, Clintons, Kennedys and Obamas!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Schadenfreude on February 24, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Word.

SparkPlug on February 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM

“The current GOP candidates.. There talk is tough…” no no. “There talk is “strict, serere.” /s This notion that conservatives are somehow strict, and severe is wrong. Our co-leading candidate is confused of his politcality.

Jeb might still agree with his brother about global warming, and think that is conservative. No.

Jeb might still agree with his brother that the feds should meddle in education, and think that is conservative. No. Make education a local product, pride in ownership and craftsmanship, as Santorum says. And break the back of leftist indoctrination that fully permeates nearly all public schools. Get the feds out, and state legislatures should dissolve depts of education. Like Mussinex dissolves phlegm, we need to dissolve liberal indoctrination across this land.

anotherJoe on February 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM

I don’t believe it.

He is a Bush, and the most ‘open borders’ one of the bunch; He never was a conservative.

LegendHasIt on February 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Are you delusional? Do you actually believe that if Republicans take control of the senate and keep the house, and repeal Obamacare, that Romney will veto it?

Are you retarded? That’s just stubborn blindness, to actually believe that.

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:27 PM

No full Obamacare repeal will ever reach Romney’s desk, nor will he push for one. At the absolute best, we will get a bill that tinkers slightly with one or two parts but leaves the overall structure intact.

but jeb isn’t the only name thrown around during talk of a brokered convention. there are other people too- and the establishment knows that turnout is important so they need to pick a person who is exciting and motivates the base. they would be silly to pick someone that is so much “establishment” that the base doesn’t even care. that’s why romney is struggling… so just because a brokered convention might happen doesn’t mean that the nominee will be some pathetic establishment person.

Sachiko on February 24, 2012 at 2:26 PM

The problem is the signs have been there since the Obamacare battle that the base would not accept Romney as the nomination. The establishment has paid zero attention to this. Furthermore, they are continuing to push Romney in spite of the fact that voter turnout is collapsing.

If we get a brokered convention, the candidate will probably be Mitch Daniels. I think this has become more about an intra-party power struggle at this point than beating Obama on both sides.

That’s why I think the Republican party is heading for a blowup soon. We can’t cooperate with each other anymore, the liberals in the party have just moved too far to the left since 2006. There is a pervasive sense among a lot of these people that ANY conservative policy, fiscal, social, or foreign is “too extreme” and that we must run as big government managers and agree with the Democrats on most basic tenets of policy.

Doomberg on February 24, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Translation:

I wanna be electable for the undocumented folks too. So take your icky rule of law and shove it!

Valkyriepundit on February 24, 2012 at 2:55 PM

E.) he isn’t a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal conservative that will embarrass the party.

Bitter Clinger on February 24, 2012 at 2:31 PM

But he is severely conservative.

And he’s made plenty of embarrassing, out-of-touch statements that have made this knuckle-dragging conservative cringe.

Right Mover on February 24, 2012 at 2:55 PM

I keep asking but no one seems to know: why, exactly, is Jeb Bush viewed as some kind of Republican Party savior, anyway? As I understand it, he was a capable governor of Florida, and that’s about it. Oh, and yeah, his last name is Bush. Anything else that sets this shining white knight apart from just about any other capable Republican governor, past or present?

troyriser_gopftw on February 24, 2012 at 2:58 PM

But he is severely conservative.

And he’s made plenty of embarrassing, out-of-touch statements that have made this knuckle-dragging conservative cringe.

Right Mover on February 24, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Oh, I agree. I was just listing the initial reasons that the Establishment went “all in” on Romney. I do think they are having second thoughts.

Bitter Clinger on February 24, 2012 at 2:59 PM

No more Bushies please . ..

Pragmatic on February 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM

They are the establishment of the establishment. I would sit on my vote if he was the nominee.

msupertas on February 24, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Jeb Bush would be running a mcdonalds if his last name wasn’t bush.

aniptofar on February 24, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Please, Jeb, do the right thing and stay out of Presidential politics.

NOMOBO on February 24, 2012 at 2:22 PM

I don’t know NOMOBO, he could run as a democrat and bring some sanity to their party while hopefully pushing the GOP back to the right.

DanMan on February 24, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Jeb, Palin has conservative cojones and you don’t

ChuckTX on February 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Jeb stayed in the governor’s mansion for two full terms. Palin ran and hid on Fox News after half a term.

Argument destroyed.

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Palin averaged a surplus of $1.6 billion each year. Jeb? Only $1.1 billion.

Debt only grew 4.1% a year under Palin. Jeb? 5.6%

Palin slashed her state’s total liabilities by 13.2% each year. Jeb? He grew his state’s liabilities by 10.5% per year.

Palin’s budgets only relied on federal funding for about 18% of revenue. Jeb? Between 25% and 30%.

Palin left her state with a multi-billion-dollar surplus. Jeb? A multi-million-dollar deficit.

steebo77 on February 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM

troyriser_gopftw on February 24, 2012 at 2:58 PM

You pretty much answered you’re own question. Because of the two things you mentioned he has universal name recognition and the potential for a ready made organization for campaigning and governing. Those are two big assets, but those alone don’t make him a great candidate.

Flange on February 24, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Just go away, Jeb, and take Obungler with you.

stukinIL4now on February 24, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Oh, I agree. I was just listing the initial reasons that the Establishment went “all in” on Romney. I do think they are having second thoughts.

Bitter Clinger on February 24, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Some of them may be having second thoughts. I think there are just as many others in the ruling class who are intent on throwing the 2012 election to grease the skids for Jeb in 2016.

They’re more horrified at the thought of a Conservative presidency than they are of a second Obama term.

Right Mover on February 24, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Jeb Bush: “I used to be a conservative …”

This simple statement must be archived for all time!

Nobody should be allowed to vote for Jeb Bush without hearing this first!

Freddy on February 24, 2012 at 3:07 PM

None of the Bush clan have ever been conservative by my standards (All of the Bushes are/were big gov. spending busy bodies.). They are all described as Conservatives by the Marxist controlled Democrat Party commune of thieves; but then, Marxists describe everyone not voting D as right wing radical conservative haters of woman, children, elderly, and poor…oh, left out they demagogue everyone not one of their cabal of crooks as racists.

aposematic on February 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Palin averaged a surplus of $1.6 billion each year. Jeb? Only $1.1 billion.

Debt only grew 4.1% a year under Palin. Jeb? 5.6%

Palin slashed her state’s total liabilities by 13.2% each year. Jeb? He grew his state’s liabilities by 10.5% per year.

Palin’s budgets only relied on federal funding for about 18% of revenue. Jeb? Between 25% and 30%.

Palin left her state with a multi-billion-dollar surplus. Jeb? A multi-million-dollar deficit.

steebo77 on February 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM

There you go, talking about irrelevant policy details again. What’s important is that Palin is unelectable! /

Doomberg on February 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM

a brokered convention is NOT automatically a disaster for the party. if we pick a good nominee who is better than the current candidates- someone who is consistently, solidly genuine conservative and can motivate the base enough to have a big turnout in november- then that’s obviously no disaster. though it could potentially be a disaster for the establishment, if said nominee doesn’t fit the establishment mold…

Sachiko on February 24, 2012 at 2:26 PM

That should not be too hard …. i nominate my 15 year old lab/chow mix ….
she likes to bite Dems ….

conservative tarheel on February 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM

I used to be a conservative

Maybe the others will confess.

faraway on February 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM

The Bush’s never had the P.R. of the Kennedy’s, so we know them all for what they are – a family of RiNO douche nozzles.

Mr Galt on February 24, 2012 at 3:11 PM

a brokered convention is NOT automatically a disaster for the party. if we pick a good nominee who is better than the current candidates

But we wouldn’t be making the choice, then, would we? The ruling class would be making it for us.

Right Mover on February 24, 2012 at 3:13 PM

That’s OK, we used to think you and W. we’re conservatives, too, Jeb.

blindside on February 24, 2012 at 3:15 PM

he isn’t a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal conservative that will embarrass the party.

You are you worried about being embarrased too? that is my question. If you are looking for liberals/dems to like you then you are in the wrong party. We could nominate Clinton asd or candidate and if you put an R behind her name the liberals/dems would miock and laugh at her. I don’t think you understand it is a tactic of the left to mock and riducle the other side. You can put Jeb up, or Mitt or Palin and all will be mocked and laughed at and end up being an embarassment to you. Bacause that is how the left works. They laugh and riducle you and your beliefs and the nominee of your party. Christie will be mocked as a fatso, Jeb as favored son or LORd of the the republican class, Mitt is going to be mocked as a mormon, as a wall street fat cat out of touched, robot. Palin was mocked as a hillbillie. Santourm is mocked as a churchgoer, Newt they took a man of vision and made him worse than moonbeam Brown. and never no matter how bad the dem candidate will the media nor it seems the gop mock that candidate.

unseen on February 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Bush missed the most important factor of all in raising the incomes of those not making very much: a very robust economy. Of course, an individual must be able to take advantage of opportunities and education and training can help in that regard, but no amount of education and training can duplicate a robust economy in helping low-income people make more money.

JayDick on February 24, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Oh Jeb. Was that before you and daddy met with the communist in the WH?

FLconservative on February 24, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Their talk is tough on everything from entitlement reform to tax reform to immigration reform.

That’s what this latest Bush doesn’t like as he wants all of Mexico’s over 100 million people in America. Clearly, he also thinks America should be a monarchy. I would like to transport this monarchist back in time to France to a certain time period.

VorDaj on February 24, 2012 at 3:18 PM

“Used to be a conservative.”

Why in the world would a R politician say something like this? Have the GOP insiders have decided to make the word conservative an epithet and make the base look like rabble?

INC on February 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

exactly! It is a thinly veiled swipe at the Tea party Rubes who are driving the country too far right and have no compassion for illegal aliens, unfunded overseas nation building and crony capitlaists selling our childrens futures for a gold guilded bank account in the bahamas and switzerland.

These establishment insiders want to feather their nests with the taxpayers money through the funding of their favored corporate partners rather than the lefts.
The Republican Party is as much a problem as the Democrat party, both must be defeated, Palin gets that and the Repunks know she does so their refusal to defend her or the Tea Party at the Tuscon blood libel and their silence and behind the scenes supprot of Murkowski and flame war against ODonnell are all shots across the bow of the rabble who demands fiscal contraint and accountablility from their electeds. The fact is the Establishment is as in favor of open borders as the Rats its just for different reasons cheap labor vs votes.

ConcealedKerry on February 24, 2012 at 3:19 PM

This simple statement must be archived for all time!

Nobody should be allowed to vote for Jeb Bush without hearing this first!

Freddy on February 24, 2012 at 3:07 PM

yeap it should be placed right alongside his brothers statement “that he abandoned the free market to save the freemarket”

unseen on February 24, 2012 at 3:20 PM

But we wouldn’t be making the choice, then, would we? The ruling class would be making it for us.

Right Mover on February 24, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I don’t think so. Sarah said she would be a big help if we have a brokered convention.

Mirimichi on February 24, 2012 at 3:21 PM

“I used to be a conservative

in my establishment blue blood country club mind.”

FIFY, Jeb.

they lie on February 24, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Of course, an individual must be able to take advantage of opportunities and education and training can help in that regard, but no amount of education and training can duplicate a robust economy in helping low-income people make more money.

JayDick on February 24, 2012 at 3:17 PM

and nothing trumps freedom. No micromanagement, no regulation, no top down policy can trump freedom in bringing about a robust economy.

unseen on February 24, 2012 at 3:24 PM

steebo77 on February 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM

It’s just retarded to tout a half-term governor, dude. Face it.

kunegetikos on February 24, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Jeb Bush would be running working as a janitor at a mcdonalds if his last name wasn’t bush.

aniptofar on February 24, 2012 at 3:00 PM

FIFY.

they lie on February 24, 2012 at 3:28 PM

“Used to be a conservative.”

Why in the world would a R politician say something like this? Have the GOP insiders have decided to make the word conservative an epithet and make the base look like rabble?

INC on February 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

I think you have hit the nail on the head here! This is a very astute observation.

silvernana on February 24, 2012 at 3:29 PM

“Used to be a conservative.”

Why in the world would a R politician say something like this? Have the GOP insiders have decided to make the word conservative an epithet and make the base look like rabble?

INC on February 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

They see themselves as the definition of conservatism. To Jeb Bush this is a criticism of conservatives and a threat because he might be thinking of depriving them of his presence. The voters are there to provide money and votes when needed, their opinions aren’t required.

sharrukin on February 24, 2012 at 3:31 PM

The frog is being boiled by both parties.
The frog is freedom and self determination and the water is We The People.
The rats turn up the heat when they get in and the Repunks turn it down slightly when they get in but the heat from both is sufficient to boil the frog.
The evidence exists in Boehenrs proclamation to cut the deficit by 800 Billion and he in fact walked back with a piece of toilet paper with a 50 million cut in the rate of the increase.
Throw em all out or the system will collapse and we will be indentured servants to the government and their don’t wanna workers

ConcealedKerry on February 24, 2012 at 3:31 PM

a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal conservative that will embarrass the party.

Bitter Clinger on February 24, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Quick, someone pass the salve for my skinned knuckles.

they lie on February 24, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Since when did being a Republican necessarily mean being a conservative – in theory? The republican party was founded as a progressive party. Google GOP.

keep the change

Its actually a good question, because it both goes back to the history of the Republicans, Democrats, and how “conservative” has changed in meaning.

Conservative used to mean how much you were in favor of limited government, individual freedom, and stopping the creep of government control, government programs in our lives.

Barry Goldwater wrote “Conscience of a Conservative” in the 1960s, and it was not about evangelism, social conservative, religion or congregationalism.

But starting in the late 60s, the Social Conservatives started to leave the Democratic Party, primarily over opposition to civil rights legislation from the federal government. They did however pause that migration long enough to give us Jimmy Carter in 1976.

Now that the social conservatives have completely gone over to the Republican Party, now in their eyes, you have to be like them to be a real Republican, even though they were historically Democrats for a long time.

Now, Conservative unfortunately tends to mean how much you are in favor of a top down approach from the federal government in legislating values battles, primarily from a Protestant evangelical point of view, but also to some degree LDS and Catholic too.

It really is a major change in how that term is used. Goldwater himself could rise from the dead, and expound on individual freedom and limited government in our lives, and the Social Conservatives would tell him “Get lost Hippy, go to the Democrat Party where you belong, RINO”.

firepilot on February 24, 2012 at 3:34 PM

It’s just retarded to tout a half-term governor, dude. Face it.

kunegetikos on February 24, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Not really. 3 fiscal years of successful fiscal and economic oversight trumps 8 mediocre years.

steebo77 on February 24, 2012 at 3:35 PM

kunegetikos on February 24, 2012 at 3:28 PM

wow. so tell me how does it feel to know you have been co-opted by the socialist media?

Next you will be telling us about the horrors of global warming, or the benefits of stimulus.

unseen on February 24, 2012 at 3:35 PM

That’s why I think the Republican party is heading for a blowup soon. We can’t cooperate with each other anymore, the liberals in the party have just moved too far to the left since 2006. There is a pervasive sense among a lot of these people that ANY conservative policy, fiscal, social, or foreign is “too extreme” and that we must run as big government managers and agree with the Democrats on most basic tenets of policy.

Doomberg on February 24, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I’m just waiting for one of these Establishment types to let slip the opinion that wanting to repeal Obamacare outright is just unreasonable and unrealistic. Why not, if Ann Coulter has actually gone on record to give “three cheers for RomneyCare”?

Aitch748 on February 24, 2012 at 3:36 PM

I don’t think so. Sarah said she would be a big help if we have a brokered convention.

Mirimichi on February 24, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Personally, I have ceased to care about Sarah Palin and anything she has to say.

silvernana on February 24, 2012 at 3:36 PM

The next conservative Bush will be the first one.

celtic warrior on February 24, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Personally, I have ceased to care about Sarah Palin and anything she has to say.

silvernana on February 24, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Your lack of concern is noted.

steebo77 on February 24, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Are you delusional? Do you actually believe that if Republicans take control of the senate and keep the house, and repeal Obamacare, that Romney will veto it?

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Boehner is going to find that lions courage he has been hiding? He is going to suddenly champion a rollback of government without breaking into a fit of weeping?

Mitt Romney who like Romneycare, mandates and was pretty impressed with Obamacare is going to take up the fiery sword of conservatism and lead the Republicans in a tough fight with the Democrats and repeal Obamacare?

This Romney?…So some similarities, some differences, and I hope we’re ultimately able to eliminate some of the differences, repeal the bad and keep the good.

It will never reach a president Romney’s desk.

Talk about delusional.

sharrukin on February 24, 2012 at 3:38 PM

It really is a major change in how that term is used. Goldwater himself could rise from the dead, and expound on individual freedom and limited government in our lives, and the Social Conservatives would tell him “Get lost Hippy, go to the Democrat Party where you belong, RINO”.

firepilot on February 24, 2012 at 3:34 PM

yeah and back in hamliton’s time conservative meant liking the concept of fuedalism. what’s your point. Jeb Bush is a hamilton conservative much in the same way as Frum is. I personally am a Reagan/goldwater conservative. Jeb and the RINOs wish to destroy the party that Reagan built and replace it on one modeled after hamilton with a splash of marxism thrown in for good measure.

Ask Jeb what his thoughts are about freedom and I think you will be surprised by his answer if he were honest.

unseen on February 24, 2012 at 3:40 PM

I’m just waiting for one of these Establishment types to let slip the opinion that wanting to repeal Obamacare outright is just unreasonable and unrealistic. Why not, if Ann Coulter has actually gone on record to give “three cheers for RomneyCare”?

Aitch748 on February 24, 2012 at 3:36 PM

all ready has happened. You must have missed it:

Mitt Romney adviser Norm Coleman, a former senator from Minnesota, predicted the GOP won’t repeal the Democrats’ healthcare reform law even if a Republican candidate defeats President Obama this November.

“You will not repeal the act in its entirety, but you will see major changes, particularly if there is a Republican president,” Coleman told BioCentury This Week television in an interview that aired on Sunday. “You can’t whole-cloth throw it out. But you can substantially change what’s been done.”

unseen on February 24, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Jeb doesn’t realise that neither his father nor his brother are conservatives and he is in their mold. Famously his father ran on the slogan that Reagan practiced “voodoo economics.” Subsequently he ran on the idea he was a Reagan Republican. He wasn’t.

burt on February 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM

steebo77 on February 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM

It’s just retarded to tout a half-term governor, dude. Face it.

kunegetikos on February 24, 2012 at 3:28 PM

No it isn’t. Not when that half-term governor accomplished more in her half-term than most governors manage to get done in two whole terms.

I swear, some people would claim a crash-test dummy had twenty years of experience if a way could be found to make it sit in a governor’s office for that amount of time. We elect governors to govern, not to keep the damn chair warm.

Aitch748 on February 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM

unseen on February 24, 2012 at 3:43 PM

You’re right, I completely forgot about that.

I’m so sick of being asked to choose between a party that is eating the country alive and a party that meeps plaintively in protest (at least in public) but does so little that it might as well not even exist.

Aitch748 on February 24, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Neither was his brother.

blue13326 on February 24, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Palin didn’t hide . . . she chose her family’s economic survival…thanks to democrats and democrat sympathisers (like Romney’s supporters)

Let me understand what you’re saying. It was the fault of Romney supporters, or establishment Republicans, that Sarah Palin resigned as governor of Alaska.

I’m just curious, to the best of your knowledge, what is the quickest route between two points? A straight line or a bell curve?

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Well, they sure as heck didn’t help. Can you show me an example where the “establishment” or Romney came to her aid as she was being hit on Tucson or any of the other myriad of attacks on her?

So yes, it *is* their fault for remaining complicit and not standing up for a fellow warrior, thus ensuring the LSM to embolden themselves.

If they (your dear Romney and Jeb Bush included) would have stood up together instead of cowering and leaving her to the wolves, it could very reasonably be said that we would not be at the mercy of a dishonest LSM today.

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to clarify this.

kim roy on February 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Nom de Boom on February 24, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Spot on. I think sometimes when your in the area, people forget this isn’t a Yankees sux/RedSox sux sporting event…Its not even a sport.

We’re debating over who will lead us in the next 4 years. Personally, unless they are stark raving Democrats or Birchers, I am willing to listen to who’s running and decide. maybe my candidate won’t win, but i will support the nominee that will run in the fall.

Besides, what other choice do we have?

Jebs’ Father Bush II was no conservative and neither was his father before him. The last American conservative was Ronald Reagan the rest have pissed all over the word in deed.

ConcealedKerry on February 24, 2012 at 2:41 PM

No real argument there, Bush Sr. wasn’t a Reagan Conservative; but unlike some we could mention on here, when the nominee was chosen, we got behind the leader and soldiered on.

Bush 43? Up until 9/11 wasn’t that much of a Conservative domestically, but dammit, when the time was needed during the WOT, he was a damn sight better than…God help us, Gore or Kerry.

Jeb, I didn’t have too much to say as far as like or dislike. Floridians put him office 2x, so however he ran the state as Governor, that where I’ll leave it. Unlike some of those REAL Kennedy’s, he’s not out there talking about regaining the “Bush’s Seat” on Pennsylvania Ave.

But i wouldn’t compare them to the Kennedy’s. Dubya has been amazingly low key, in spite of being pilloried as he was…He’s shown a lot more Christan forgiveness than I would have and on that score, he’s earned my respect.

I stated before, there should be a 2 Generation gap between families trying to serve consecutively in any Federal or State office. It hasn’t done Massachusetts or Illinois any good, why the hell do I (or anyone really) want it in that fever swamp by the Potomac?

BlaxPac on February 24, 2012 at 4:01 PM

For anybody that has to think whether he’s a conservative or not, the answer is you are not. Conservatives know what they are and don’t need someone else to define it for them. Jeb Bush is an establishment Republican and that is defined as a RINO.

savage24 on February 24, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Jeb- you, your brother and your father were never Conservatives.

Aspydad on February 24, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I’m just curious, to the best of your knowledge, what is the quickest route between two points? A straight line or a bell curve?

Cordell on February 24, 2012 at 2:50 PM

A bell curve, if the two points are on opposite sides of a hill.

Aitch748 on February 24, 2012 at 4:10 PM

The nuts do not fall far from the bush. And no thanks to mediocre dynasties or even dynasties.

Sherman1864 on February 24, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Jeb reveals his way of thinking.

I am a conservative. I have not always considered myself a conservative, having been raised leftwing atheist and having worked for McGovern in 1972, my first vote for President.

However, looking back on my life I realize I was always a philosophical conservative. My positions on issues usually were not conservative because I was trusting the wrong people and distrusting the wrong people, but my way of seeing the world and people and society and responsibility and love and truth and death and America and property rights and crime were all conservative.

Now when I disagree with other conservatives on issues or conservative philosophy I do not regard myself as being more or less conservative given whatever position I am arguing. I am always conservative, right or wrong, and not because I have loyalty to a cause or any such thing.

I am conservative because that is how I think. That is how I see people and society and right and wrong. It is how I have always seen those things, from the time I was twelve years old, at the latest.

Jeb does not think conservative. He thinks elite. Top down. His reflex is not to question the conservatism of the candidates, taking issue with whether or not a given position that is characterized by others as a conservative position is really the correct conservative position.

Jeb’s reflex is to question conservatism itself. He is a true Bush.

fadetogray on February 24, 2012 at 4:18 PM

I wish the bushies would go back to CT and stay there!!

S.P.

rik on February 24, 2012 at 4:19 PM

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