Dem pollster warns that voters will scoff at claims of recovery

posted at 11:00 am on February 24, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama wants to ask for a second term as President on the message that “America is back,” claiming that he has pulled the nation into a path for prosperity and job creation.  That will come as a big surprise to American workers, who have not seen any improvement in their job situation or economic position, warns Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg:

Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg is out with a must-read polling memo this morning, which offers some eye-opening advice to President Obama and his re-election team.  After testing several of the president’s economic messages, he finds the argument that the economy is back on the right track polls miserably – and “produces disastrous results.”

“It is weaker than even the weakest Republican message and is 10 points weaker in intensity than either Republican message,” Greenberg wrote. “A third said this message made them less likely to support Barack Obama. Alarmingly, this message barely receives majority support among self-identified Democrats – and even less support among all other groups.”

The memo reads as a glaring wake-up call to the White House, which has been trumpeting improving economic figures lately.   Greenberg notes that voters are reporting “no improvement” in their job situation since last June, and have experienced reduced wages and benefits and health insurance coverage.  The picture Greenberg’s polling paints is an America public still deeply pessimistic about their future, and skeptical of Obama’s handling of the economy.

Even Democrats scoff at Obama’s claims on job creation, Greenberg warns in his analysis:

One of the President’s weakest operative frameworks highlights recent progress on job creation.  This message is potentially dangerous for Democrats.  During the State of the Union, we watched the dial lines go flat, with even Democrats peaking below 70 when the President highlighted recent jobs numbers.

In post-speech focus groups, respondents explained why this part of the speech did not resonate for them: first, and most importantly, they have not seen these jobs or felt the effects of job creation.  But they are also deeply concerned that these jobs are not permanent, that these new jobs belie much deeper structural problems in the economy, and that the new jobs that have been created are far inferior to the more stable, full-time, well-paying middle class jobs that have been lost over the last decade.  One Democratic-leaning participant said, “Just pouring sugar on the thing to create a few temporary jobs is going to get us no place.” Many told us that these statistics were meaningless because they are still just numbers to them. One Republican-leaning participant was incredulous: “I don’t see the kind of jobs numbers that I hear about from him.”

In other words, Obamanomics and its gimmicky, temporary nature and its short-term distortions in statistics don’t even fool Democrats who are inclined to believe Obama.

The “America is back” claim in Obama’s SOTU speech didn’t actually relate to economics but to foreign policy.  That didn’t matter in Greenberg’s message testing:

Claiming that “America is back” is by far the weakest operative message and produces disastrous results.  It is weaker than even the weakest Republican message and is 10 points weaker in intensity than either Republican message.  Overall, less than a third of all voters said this message makes them more likely to support the President and a third said this message made them less likely to support Barack Obama.  Alarmingly, this message barely receives majority support among self-identified Democrats—and even less support among all other groups.  Less than a quarter of independents say this message would make them more likely to support the President and no independents said that it would make them much more likely to support him.

That creates a conundrum for Obama.  Incumbents have to have a positive reason for a second term in office, especially Presidents.  If he can’t claim to have improved the economy or America’s standing in the world, exactly what basis can he use to ask for another four years?  The only argument Obama is likely to have is that Republican meanies will be so much worse, extreme, etc etc etc — which more or less describes the messaging that Greenberg recommends.

In other words, buckle your seatbelts, because it’s going to be a very bumpy ride.


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– I will sell off those extra 7 states to erase the deficit!

Gatsu on February 24, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Not this one. He’s already giving our land away for free

Lost in Jersey on February 24, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Vyce on February 24, 2012 at 11:08 AM

And yet American’s re-elected FDR in similar circumstances.

chemman on February 24, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Recovery? What recovery?

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM

surprising they allow access to their data that disproves everything they are saying huh?

and that Corsair quote from August 2008 is a very good catch ITguy. I had forgotten that was when they got the dems who were in the majority to go along with abandoning the outer shelf moratorium that has since been reimposed. Very good catch. That is a prime example of why he can’t point to any policy he has offered to explain the increase in domestic production.

DanMan on February 24, 2012 at 11:52 AM

I do not fear martial law. That will not happen. We will all have to tighten our belts and vote our wallets. Martial law did not happen when Carter was ousted. It was just as bad then as it is now. 21% interest on loans hasn’t hit yet.

Voter from WA State on February 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM

“Dhimmi” Carter, for all his misguided leftist lunacy, loved this country and respected the Constitution. Obama, not so much. He’ll drown American in blood if it helps him to hold onto the Oval Room chair for an extra hour.

Archivarix on February 24, 2012 at 11:52 AM

RBMN on February 24, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Same thing for the Energy Assistance program the Government has for the working poor. But God helps us if we ask for ID to vote.

chemman on February 24, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Announced just today.

Sears closing 1200 stores.

HumpBot Salvation on February 24, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Supposedly, Sears is even closing their store in Honolulu’s Ala Moana Shopping Center. That store has been there since O’bama was in diapers.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Some example the WH sets. Travel here and everywhere, fly off to campaign while Rome burns, court celebrities to the point of sycophantia. I bet they complain about our dense and inexplicable inability to buy into the glory that their position manifests.And yes, it is sour grapes should you ask.

jeanie on February 24, 2012 at 11:58 AM

If you read the memo, what’s important to note (although not very surprising) is that all the messages that poll well are abstract. Talking about “Middle Class Fairness” does pretty good for example.
The president’s problem is that he can’t connect these messages to any concrete policy proposals. Well, nothing people would take seriously anyway.
His other problem is that when the economy is this bad, just about everyone is either going through tough times themselves, or knows someone who is. Telling them things have gotten better just won’t work. They’ll need to see it for themselves.

Mahna Mahna on February 24, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Barry has yet to develop the political skill of his narcissistic predecessor…the first true black President. Just shed a tear and feel our pain. A gullible electorate has fallen for it before.

BigOil on February 24, 2012 at 11:59 AM

that Corsair quote from August 2008 is a very good catch ITguy.

DanMan on February 24, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Thank you, DanMan, for your kind words.

I had forgotten that was when they got the dems who were in the majority to go along with abandoning the outer shelf moratorium that has since been reimposed.

July 14, 2008:
President Bush lifted an executive order banning offshore oil drilling, and urged Congress to follow suit.

September 16, 2008:
The U.S. House of Representatives approved on a 236-189 vote legislation that would open waters 50 miles off the Pacific and Atlantic coasts to oil and natural gas development.

September 27, 2008:
The U.S. Senate by a 78-12 vote eliminated a 27 year ban on offshore drilling off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of the United States.

And what effect did those three things have on gas prices?

U.S. city average price of unleaded regular gasoline

July 2008: $4.090 per gallon

December 2008: $1.689 per gallon

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics Data: U.S. city average: Gasoline, unleaded regular, per gallon

Gas prices dropped more than 50% (almost 60%) in just five months!

Then what has happened under the Obama administration?
More restrictions on drilling, and higher prices.

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Hey. Do you and Kini know each other?

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:02 PM

We’ve got a Sears closing here too. Also 2 local restaurants, one electrician and quite a few small general contractors….not to mention the dozens of unsold home.

jeanie on February 24, 2012 at 12:05 PM

“Dhimmi” Carter, for all his misguided leftist lunacy, loved this country and respected the Constitution. Obama, not so much. He’ll drown American in blood if it helps him to hold onto the Oval Room chair for an extra hour.

Unfortunately, I tend to agree. Keep an eye on Iran. Military intervention in Iran would go a long way toward boosting Odumbo’s numbers (at least with the ignorant), and this jack__ss would be more than happy to sacrifice a few military lives in order to stay in office. If Barry’s numbers continue to fall, I expect military action within the next few of months.

guitarman67 on February 24, 2012 at 12:09 PM

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Why the candidates aren’t running with that is simply amazing to me. If I were Rick, the next reporter that asked me about contraception, I would reply with those stats you listed.

gaius on February 24, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Battery of deceased equine commenced!

Lost in Jersey on February 24, 2012 at 10:17 AM

what is this guys?

residentblue on February 24, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Ed, that is the funniest pic of Obama I’ve seen in a long time. I can’t wait to see it again on the front page on November 6 (with a link to his concession speech). :)

Myron Falwell on February 24, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Businesses are shutting down all over in my locale; not a few of them have been around since before I was born. Some types of business have completely vanished from the city in the last three years.

I’ll say that again for emphasis: during and thanks to ‘President’ Osbama’s reign, there are now no more stand-alone stores for some things in the entire city.

MelonCollie on February 24, 2012 at 12:13 PM

exactly what basis can he use to ask for another four years?

“I’m black, it’s historic. And if you don’t re-elect me you’re a……”

It’s all he’s got

Trafalgar on February 24, 2012 at 12:14 PM

My dream – a helicopter ride perp walk for Jugears on January 20, 2013.

platypus on February 24, 2012 at 11:25 AM

I’m sure he’ll find a way to pardon both himself and Holder before he’s out the door along with the hundreds of others he’ll issue on the way out. Not because they will financially reward him post-presidency or anything. /sarc

moo on February 24, 2012 at 12:15 PM

That picture up front scared me.

What recovery? Only in the presidential fiction and the Associated Depressed.

The gasoline prices will affter the: tanks, food, food, food, the economy, jobs, flying and all around.

Only fools believed a single word about any recovere and the fake unemployment reports. This includes all the new Obama-azz-lickers on Fox, for shame.

Schadenfreude on February 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Hey. Do you and Kini know each other?

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Not personally, as I only used to live in Hawai’i and Kini AFAIK is there now. Last time I visited there was a few years ago.

That was of course BO (Before O’bama).

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Limbaugh is talking about Greenberg’s poll right now.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 12:19 PM

what is this guys?

residentblue on February 24, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Beating a dead horse.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Not personally, as I only used to live in Hawai’i and Kini AFAIK is there now. Last time I visited there was a few years ago.

That was of course BO (Before O’bama).

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Yeah, come to think of it, you’re in Honolulu and he’s in Hilo, I think.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:21 PM

February 8th, 2012

The Zillow Real Estate Market Reports, released today, show home values decreased 1.1 percent from the third to the fourth quarter of 2011 to $146,900 (Figure 2). On an annual basis, this represents a 4.7 percent decline (Figure 1). December’s data show that sequential improvements in year-over-year numbers have stopped, and the pace of monthly depreciation has once again picked up, with December’s monthly depreciation rate at 0.6 percent. The main culprits behind December’s weak housing numbers are increasing foreclosure liquidation rates and soft economic data.

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 12:22 PM

What Pelosi, Reid, and Obama “inherited” from Republicans, when the balance of power tipped from Republicans to Democrats in January 2007, was:

1) A FY 2007 deficit of $501 Billion.

2) Total National Debt under $8.7 Trillion.

3) Unemployment 4.4%

4) “Discouraged Workers” (not counted in the unemployment number): 274,000.

5) Employment-population ratio (for those age 16 years and over): 63.4%

6) The Zillow U.S. Home Value Index was over $190,000.

What do we have now, after five years of majority Democrat control?

1) A projected FY 2012 deficit of $1,390 Billion ($1.39 Trillion).

2) Total National Debt over $15.4 Trillion.

3) Unemployment 8.3%

4) “Discouraged Workers” (not counted in the unemployment number): 1,059,000.

5) Employment-population ratio (for those age 16 years and over): 58.5%

6) The Zillow U.S. Home Value Index is under $150,000.

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

You don’t have any confidence in states’ leadership nor our military, do you? Do you honestly believe that the majority of our citizens would just sit and let martial law happen?

Voter from WA State on February 24, 2012 at 12:24 PM

I do not fear martial law.
Can you see Rick Perry going along with that?

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Not personally, as I only used to live in Hawai’i and Kini AFAIK is there now. Last time I visited there was a few years ago.

That was of course BO (Before O’bama).

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Yeah, come to think of it, you’re in Honolulu and he’s in Hilo, I think.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:21 PM

I lived on O’ahu but not in Honolulu. I’ve pretty much given up on that island-just take a peek at the web traffic cams on the H-1 freeway during rush hour to see what I mean. Or watch an episode of “Dog The Bounty Hunter”.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Greenberg notes that voters are reporting “no improvement” in their job situation since last June, and have experienced reduced wages and benefits and health insurance coverage.

Get used to the ‘new normal’ under Obama.

GarandFan on February 24, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Honestly, there is a lot to this, and I agree that Obama should not be talking up the economy just yet.

The economy is still very bad. Many people are still hurting, including a lot of young people who went for post-grad schooling (because it is what you are supposed to do now), and Obama telling the world how good the economy is, just irritates people.

It irritates the young lawyer who cant find a job. It irritates the young MBA graduate, who cant get a job. It irritates the person who lost his job 3 years ago, and either cant find a full-time job, has settled for a part-time job, or has settled for a job that pays him/her pennies on the dollar.

And if I were one of those people, there is no way that I would vote for him.

milcus on February 24, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I’ve always found it funny that they call H-1, H-3 and I-4 ‘interstate highways’.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Between Obama’s campaign, the media, and the economy adding say a million jobs in between now and November, I think people will be less hostile to his economic record come election day than they are now.

LukeinNE on February 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM

The economy needs to add 1.6 million jobs per year just to keep even with population growth. A million jobs between now and November means that the Employment-Population ratio will still be at its lowest levels in decades, where it has languished since the recession ended in June 2009.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000

topdog on February 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM

You don’t have any confidence in states’ leadership nor our military, do you? Do you honestly believe that the majority of our citizens would just sit and let martial law happen?

Voter from WA State on February 24, 2012 at 12:24 PM

About half of the States’ leadership supports the guy, and he is cutting 30% of the military’s size over the next few years, with most of them deployed… There really aren’t that many servicemen left at home….. certainly not enough to handle a countrywide declaration of martial law. However, our police are union employees for the most part. Unions overwhelmingly support him. And police depts across the country routinely harass conservative protesters as a nuisance, and almost never harass liberal protesters because of politically correct concerns… How else do you explain the tolerance they show the OWS protesters who destroy public property, create local health risks, and are pretty much hobo towns with strong drug and criminal characteristics….

His governors would go along with him. The military would also because their governors gave them lawful orders. A lot of military folks would decide not to show up for work when called and would therefore be criminalized….

Can he pull off a coup? Of course he can. But it requires a lot of rational people decide it isn’t their fight and/or they didn’t sign up for fighting their own countrymen. The point is that it is possible, no one is preparing for it except the police state adherents anyway, and people like you blame Republicans for theorizing it is possible and using “extremist” language….

The answer is that , YES, the majority of our citizens would sit it out. Therefore, the outcome will be determined by those who seize the initiative and are best organized. Right now, that goes to liberals who all thi8nk the same thing… Government should demand that conservatives do what we say is right because we4 are smarter than they are. I highly doubt the vast majority of American citizenry would rise up and complain about a coup by the President when they see with their own eyes how damaging and deceitful Dhimmicrats are today and do nothing about correcting the socialist agenda. They imagine they will be eaten last while riding the tiger.

And they are 100% absolutely positively wrong. There will be no rule of law and no order, rhyme or reason to whom gets imprisoned first. Commissars will be appointed and their word will be the new law. History shows EXACTLY how this will happen unless you and your neighbors get out, make some noise, and demand Truth from the government and media right now.

Subsunk

Subsunk on February 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM

I’ve always found it funny that they call H-1, H-3 and I-4 ‘interstate highways’.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Funnier: PR1, PR2, PR3 in Puerto Rico are interstates
…and Puerto Rico isn’t even a state!

topdog on February 24, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I’ve always found it funny that they call H-1, H-3 and I-4 ‘interstate highways’.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I’m sure that once O’bama leaves office his Fluffers out there will rename one of those highways after him.

I would suggest they rename the H-3. The order to build that highway came down the year before O’bama was born, but it took until December of 1997 to complete it. It’s also one of the most expensive highways ever built; $80 million per mile. And it’s only 15 miles long.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Beating a dead horse.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Should have let the confused wonder. Aren’t they the erudite ones?

Schadenfreude on February 24, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Second look at sanity in America?

By 56 percent to 31 percent, more embraced cuts in government services than higher taxes as the best medicine for the budget, according to the survey, which was conducted Feb. 16 to 20. That response has changed only modestly since it was first asked in the AP-GfK poll last March.

angryed on February 24, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Subsunk on February 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM

The great Subsunk, please resurface more often.

Add to that the fact that so many generals get the extra star, right from Obama, ahead of retirement. It increases their grades/income tremendously. Of course they’ll be PC, as he asks them to. The services are rotting from the top.

Schadenfreude on February 24, 2012 at 12:53 PM

I’ve always found it funny that they call H-1, H-3 and I-4 ‘interstate highways’.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I-4 in Florida goes from Tampa to Daytona Beach, never entering another state. I-88 is 100% within NY State too. And there are several other examples of interstates that are fully within 1 state.

angryed on February 24, 2012 at 12:54 PM

“I’m black, it’s historic. And if you don’t re-elect me you’re a……”

It’s all he’s got

Trafalgar on February 24, 2012 at 12:14 PM

It’s all he needed last time. What makes you think it won’t work again?

runawayyyy on February 24, 2012 at 12:56 PM

OWS

I found this disgusting:

http://www.fastcompany.com/most-innovative-companies/2012/occupy-movement

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 12:56 PM

I found this disgusting:

http://www.fastcompany.com/most-innovative-companies/2012/occupy-movement

I mean, I haven’t seen any similar praise for the Tea Party…

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I-4 in Florida goes from Tampa to Daytona Beach, never entering another state. I-88 is 100% within NY State too. And there are several other examples of interstates that are fully within 1 state.

angryed on February 24, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Actually, I-4 goes from Tampa to Daytona. Daytona Beach is another six miles.
And I knew there were a coupla others too. Didn’t know Puerto Rico had them, though.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Even my county appraisal district agrees with you ITguy. They lowered my house appraisal by 6.5% and I bet its much worse. Somebody mentioned Obama is setting himself up for massive humiliation in November. I tend to agree.

DanMan on February 24, 2012 at 1:00 PM

All due to ridiculous retirement/pension payments that far exceed revenue/credit intakes.

The USPS is the poster child for “no union collective bargaining”

Odie1941 on February 24, 2012 at 11:38 AM

I am not a member of a union …. I have no problem with people organizing
in a union shop you have the boss who is watching the bottom line .. and the union …. they wrangle … in public sector unions … no one is watching the bottom line …
it is public sector unions that I object to.

conservative tarheel on February 24, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Battery of deceased equine commenced!

Lost in Jersey on February 24, 2012 at 10:17 AM

what is this guys?

residentblue on February 24, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Beating a dead horse.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Should have let the confused wonder. Aren’t they the erudite ones?

Schadenfreude on February 24, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Dude went so far as to cross post that from another thread. I didn’t think it was that confusing.

Lost in Jersey on February 24, 2012 at 1:09 PM

And there are several other examples of interstates that are fully within 1 state.

angryed on February 24, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Interstate 980 is fully within one city! Oakland, California. All 2.4 miles of it.

Trafalgar on February 24, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Once Obama is voted out in November, the wheels will start to turn with the many expose’s regarding his Administration, his wife, his homosexuality, school records, etc. There will be a gold mine in such books, and he will assume his rightful place of scorn in the trash heap of history. There will be no high paying speaking tours, or talk shows. He’s not likeable like Clinton, and not a do-gooder like Carter. Only a long descent into a lonely, bitter old age until he is nothing more than the answer to a trivia question; who was the first Black President ?

teacherman on February 24, 2012 at 1:14 PM

I get tired of conservatives being so pessimistic about our chances in November.

If Obama runs around saying “good times are here again” he’s going to be slaughtered at the polls. 8% unemployment and 2% GDP growth is not an economic recovery, to say nothing of the housing market.

Reagan was able to run on “it’s morning in America” because we were in the middle of a genuine economic boon, it’s NOTHING like we’re experiencing right now.

The GOP should also make sure they talk about “careers” and not just job numbers. The amount of Americans working jobs WELL beneath their skills and prior income is truly staggering. Even if Americans actually are getting a paycheck, their incredibly pessimistic about the American Dream.

BradTank on February 24, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Dude went so far as to cross post that from another thread. I didn’t think it was that confusing.

Lost in Jersey on February 24, 2012 at 1:09 PM

I’m sorry. But the lib trolls are preferable to some of the regular pieces of crap here. A couple of which should have been quietly banned years ago.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 1:18 PM

I’ve always found it funny that they call H-1, H-3 and I-4 ‘interstate highways’.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I-4 in Florida goes from Tampa to Daytona Beach, never entering another state. I-88 is 100% within NY State too. And there are several other examples of interstates that are fully within 1 state.

angryed on February 24, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Most of them are spur roads or beltway roads-we have a couple of Interstate Spurs here in New Hampshire (I-293 and I-393) and a prime example of a 1-state Interstate beltway is I-495 in Massachusetts.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

And yet still Obama’s approval is hovering around 50%. A lot of you are way too optimistic about this. Remember, FDR won 46 states (when there were 48 states in the union), in 1936 with 20% unemployment. He did what Obama did, blamed his predecessor for everything. And it worked. And it could very well work in 2012 as well.

angryed on February 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Greenberg notes that voters are reporting “no improvement” in their job situation since last June, and have experienced reduced wages and benefits and health insurance coverage. The picture Greenberg’s polling paints is an America public still deeply pessimistic about their future, and skeptical of Obama’s handling of the economy.

As I have said, everyone knows Emperor Zero is full of sheep dip and the propganda statistics his campaign puts out (you know the unemployment and GDP “fudged” values) are equine and bovine excrement.

Things were stagnant and bad, but now with gas prices and home heating oil prices skyrocketing and higher taxes due to Zero’s policies the economy will surely crash.

dogsoldier on February 24, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Three numbered interstates are spurs. First number odd, spur into a city. First number even, spur through or around a city.

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Most of them are spur roads or beltway roads-we have a couple of Interstate Spurs here in New Hampshire (I-293 and I-393) and a prime example of a 1-state Interstate beltway is I-495 in Massachusetts.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I wasn’t including those. Most big cities have loops/spurs. I’m talking 1 or 2 digit (ie, non loop or spur) interstates within 1 state. There’s 4(FL), 87(NY), 12 & 49 (LA), 37(TX), 43(WI), 26(SC)…. whole bunch of them all over the country that are city to city interstate designated highways but never cross another state line.

angryed on February 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Only a long descent into a lonely, bitter old age until he is nothing more than the answer to a trivia question; who was the first Black President ?

teacherman on February 24, 2012 at 1:14 PM

$10 says that most people dig up that famous quote referring to Clinton with that title when researching that question 40 years from now.

teke184 on February 24, 2012 at 1:30 PM

This phony balony recovery message is not resinating with the hate America socialists not because its not true, which it isn’t, its’ because the socialists don’t want to hear that America is back, they want to hear she’s dead.
Remember the dancing in the halls of congress when the socialist auto bailouts and Obamacare bills passed. The socialists delighting in the fact that capitalism was dead.

The more the bagdad bob commander in chief and his presstitutes extoll the greatness of americas recovery the less the socialist base likes it.
They want a transformed America not a recovered Won!

The rest of us, independents and Repunks know he’s just blowing it out of his azz!

ConcealedKerry on February 24, 2012 at 1:36 PM

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Thank you for that comparison!

BPinNC on February 24, 2012 at 1:40 PM

I would suggest they rename the H-3. The order to build that highway came down the year before O’bama was born, but it took until December of 1997 to complete it. It’s also one of the most expensive highways ever built; $80 million per mile. And it’s only 15 miles long.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM

H-3 is already named after Hussein Obama.

Archivarix on February 24, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Can he pull off a coup? Of course he can. But it requires a lot of rational people decide it isn’t their fight and/or they didn’t sign up for fighting their own countrymen. The point is that it is possible, no one is preparing for it except the police state adherents anyway, and people like you blame Republicans for theorizing it is possible and using “extremist” language….

The answer is that , YES, the majority of our citizens would sit it out. Therefore, the outcome will be determined by those who seize the initiative and are best organized. Right now, that goes to liberals who all thi8nk the same thing… Government should demand that conservatives do what we say is right because we4 are smarter than they are. I highly doubt the vast majority of American citizenry would rise up and complain about a coup by the President when they see with their own eyes how damaging and deceitful Dhimmicrats are today and do nothing about correcting the socialist agenda. They imagine they will be eaten last while riding the tiger.

And they are 100% absolutely positively wrong. There will be no rule of law and no order, rhyme or reason to whom gets imprisoned first. Commissars will be appointed and their word will be the new law. History shows EXACTLY how this will happen unless you and your neighbors get out, make some noise, and demand Truth from the government and media right now.

Subsunk

Subsunk on February 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM

What you discribe, wouldn’t be a coup so much, as the second American Civil War, because not all states governors would roll over, and certainly not their red legislatures. The Joint Chiefs would probably not all support him, and resign in protest, only to resurface in the role of adivisors to the Constitutionalist governors..

I don’t know..

I pray to God these concerns are over blown,.. but you see this government essentially break whatever laws they don’t like, and the media says nothing.. when they would go nuclear if it were Bush doing it. The media is nothing short of the democrat Praetorian Guard, defending their every action as honest and just.. and all opposition as those crazy wingnuts..

I really hope none of this happens..

I really really do.. This country shouldn’t have to pay another blood price for it’s freedom.. I’d love nothing better than Obama to gracefully step down, and retire in obscurity.. but we know he’ll never shut up.. and if he truly is the ultimate narrcisist..

I doubt it, very much, even he wouldn’t dare.. but the concern is a nagging one. Can’t wait till Jan. and we see him gone buh bye…

he and his divisions rubbed raw, his class wars, his us against them… he should never have been elected if his legacy is one of distrust, anger, and justice denied.. he has stridently not.. left this country better off than he found it.

He can take his divisiveness and his posse back to the Chi town sewer that spawned him.

mark81150 on February 24, 2012 at 1:55 PM

This is the thing that Democrats don’t like to talk about while they enjoy the GOP candidates attack one another. At some point in the near future the jug-eared traitor is going have to face the voters and tell them why he deserves a second term in office even though the SOB has done nothing but rack up lots of frequent flyer miles, improved his golf handicap, and got to meet lots and lots of rock stars at the private concerts he’s arranged for the family.

Happy Nomad on February 24, 2012 at 2:04 PM

I scoff at 0bama, in general.

cane_loader on February 24, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Recovery? What recovery?

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM

How dare you use the Employment-Population ratio.

It just shows the % of Americans over the age of 16 with a job.

It’s not manipulated for seasonal adjustments, or massaged by disaffected workers, or allow the manipulation required to show the robust growth and recovery we’re trying to claim here.

Stop showing the real numbers and show the manipulated ones that make us look good.

/sarc

And I was about to post that link, good to see someone beating me to it… my work here is done; guess I’m going for ice cream.

gekkobear on February 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM

I just stumbled upon an embedded ad at a website:

President Obama’s Website – This election is about our future. Help change the world again.

again! again? What’s up with again? Must be a Freudian-slip by one of his senior twenty-something staff.

Tsar of Earth on February 24, 2012 at 2:55 PM

gekkobear on February 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM

gekkobear, Thanks for turning me on (at an earlier thread) to the Employment-Population ratio. And even grater thanks for the link to its graph:
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000
I think one picture is worth a thousand words, and that graph really tells the story. Quite simply, employment rates are still below where they were at the END of the recession in June 2009. Do you remember when Ross Perot would pull out his graphs during the debates? I would love to see this graph appear when the Repub nominee debates Obama!

topdog on February 24, 2012 at 2:55 PM

How about: Elect me or you are a racist.

Smedley on February 24, 2012 at 3:02 PM

gekkobear on February 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Good snark.

In a sane world, the Unemployment ratio would be =
100% – the Employment-Population ratio.

So, in December 2006, the true unemployment ration was
100% – (Employment-population ratio of 63.4%) = 36.6%

And now, in January 2012, the true unemployment ration is
100% – (Employment-population ratio of 58.5%) = 41.5%

So true unemployment is about 5 points higher now than it was then, representing an increase in unemployment of over 13%
(41.5%/36.6%) = 1.134 = over a 13% increase.

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 3:03 PM

topdog on February 24, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Ditto that.

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM

H-3 is already named after Hussein Obama.

Archivarix on February 24, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Barf!

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Smedley on February 24, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Your real name isn’t Frankie Jenkins, is it?

Lanceman on February 24, 2012 at 3:11 PM

I’m amazed that the audacity of dope, this so-called President thinks that he can fool people into believing it is Booosh and the evil Republicans every time something bad happens if he just gives another speech.

Decoski on February 24, 2012 at 3:55 PM

The “America is back” claim in Obama’s SOTU speech.No No NO!
It’s “America is Barak!”

chickasaw42 on February 24, 2012 at 4:04 PM

gekkobear,
Have you seen Ed’s most recent post?

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/24/the-recovery-chart-of-the-day/

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Hey, I’m famous!

I’ve been obnoxiously linking that graph everywhere I can, hoping someone would pick it up and display it prominently, because I believe it really needs to be seen… and it worked!
Commenter heaven!
Thanks again, gekkobear!

topdog on February 24, 2012 at 4:30 PM

I would suggest they rename the H-3. The order to build that highway came down the year before O’bama was born, but it took until December of 1997 to complete it. It’s also one of the most expensive highways ever built; $80 million per mile. And it’s only 15 miles long.

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM

H-3 is already named after Hussein Obama.

Archivarix on February 24, 2012 at 1:48 PM

No, H-3 is named after longtime Hawai’i Democrat Governor John Burns. I doubt that highway will ever be renamed, as he was a Legend in the politics out there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_Democratic_Revolution_of_1954

Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Unfortunately, I tend to agree. Keep an eye on Iran. Military intervention in Iran would go a long way toward boosting Odumbo’s numbers (at least with the ignorant), and this jack__ss would be more than happy to sacrifice a few military lives in order to stay in office. If Barry’s numbers continue to fall, I expect military action within the next few of months.

guitarman67 on February 24, 2012 at 12:09 PM

After all the hand-wringing and hard lessons learned in 10 years of unending war in the Mid-East, I’m not quite so sure that the American people will allow 0bama to just take us to war with Iran without going to Congress.

Libya was his blind-side attack on the Constitution.

Will Congress and, more importantly, the PEOPLE, let him pull us into something so serious?

Even as bad as things are, I’m not so sure of it.

cane_loader on February 24, 2012 at 4:36 PM

In the meantime, we should develop the meme that Obama started out as the American Idol president and over three years has become the Idle American President. All that footage of him (badly) crooning songs, tuxedoed smirk, and don’t-blame-me attitude all reinforce this laziness meme.

EMD on February 24, 2012 at 11:38 AM

I like this idea and it’s really true, but no one will dare say it about a Black president. Unfortunately.

wordmum on February 24, 2012 at 7:24 PM

a Billion dollars in 30 second sound-bytes, says 1/2 of the population is stupid!

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2012 at 9:05 PM

And I was about to post that link, good to see someone beating me to it… my work here is done; guess I’m going for ice cream.

gekkobear on February 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM

It’s cool that the link you have been posting for months finally made it into one of Ed’s posts. :-)

But be careful about the ice cream ;-)

Can you get addicted to ice cream?

ITguy on February 24, 2012 at 9:21 PM

I even hear the talking heads on Fox News nonchalantly talking about “the recovery”. Then they attack Obama in the next breath for hurting “the recovery”?

Always thinking when I hear that, “WTH are you talking about? What recovery?”

In spite of Dear Leader, they fervently wish there was a recovery. They are as invested as any of us in this economic system, and I guess they have the power to send out positive economic vibes to their viewers in hopes that we’ll spend and invest more.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 24, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Pay no attention to that poll behind the curtain! I am the great and powerful Ozbama!

Huckabye-Romney on February 25, 2012 at 5:20 AM

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