Video: New Romney Super PAC ad sure looks like a lot like old Romney campaign ad

posted at 7:10 pm on February 23, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via CNN, a reminder of just how phony the phony distinction is between campaigns and Super PACs. They’re supposed to be completely independent entities, remember, barred from any coordination. Watch the two clips below, one from Mitt’s own campaign in 2007 and the other brand new from Restore Our Future, and see how uncoordinated they are.

According to a campaign-finance lawyer interviewed by HuffPo, this is illegal:

“Super PACs are prohibited from making coordinated communications,” Ryan said. “Super PACs are also prohibited from making payments to candidates,” he added. “There’s an FEC regulation that treats the dissemination, distribution or republication of campaign materials as a contribution from the super PAC to the candidate regardless of whether or not it’s coordinated with the candidate,” he said referring to the Federal Election Commission…

The Romney campaign could also face questions about its involvement if the republished campaign ad had been copyrighted by the campaign in 2007. If the campaign granted permission to the super PAC to use its copyrighted material, this would come into conflict with the FEC’s rules against coordination…

Restore Our Future’s treasurer, Charles Spies, told The Huffington Post via an email that the group “purchased the rights to the footage from it’s [sic] owner Cold Harbor films, which did not entail interacting with the Romney campaign.”

The Campaign Legal Center’s Ryan, however, said that this would not matter, according to the FEC rule about republication of campaign materials: “If the ad was prepared by Romney or an agent of Romney, then this rule applies. The rule would be meaningless if you could transfer the legal rights from the campaign to another actor.”

I wonder if they did this because it might be illegal, knowing that it would get media attention and that that would boost the ad’s profile. I’ve speculated about that before with ads from Team Mitt but it makes sense here too: The episode recounted, in which Romney shut down Bain for days so that the staff could help find the missing daughter of one of his partners, is one of his finest moments. (Snopes has a nice summary of what happened.) Maybe they figured that it’d be worth paying an FEC fine for recycling the ad if the resulting “controversy” ended up with this spot being covered — and re-aired — on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, etc, replete with commentary about what a noble thing Romney had done in coming to the rescue of his friend. It’s an ideal showcase for his personal virtues on the eve of the big Arizona/Michigan vote, and unless the resulting fine is very steep, an operation like Restore Our Future that’s flush with cash can probably handle it without a problem. Crafty.


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But Romney doesn’t know squat about these ads.

they lie on February 23, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Same fleas and leeches

Schadenfreude on February 23, 2012 at 7:13 PM

According to a campaign-finance lawyer interviewed by HuffPo, this is illegal:

It may not be illegal (yet), but it sure doesn’t pass the smell test.

Something’s up.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM

I wouldn’t say they knew it was illegal, but they knew it would get played that way and get a lot of free media plays of the ad. We’ve seen many campaigns run deliberately provocative ads once or twice, but get it played for free 100 times on the news shows. Even John McCain’s campaign was smart enough to do that.

rockmom on February 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Hey, Romney recycles!

portlandon on February 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM

But Santorum supported Romney in 2008 and Arlen Spincter, and that led to Romneycare. Is that in the ad?

they lie on February 23, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Hey, Romney recycles!

portlandon on February 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM

He believes totally in AGW, so it’s not a surprise.

I’d say the same thing if Newt’s SuperPACs were to reuse the same Bain attacks on Mitt.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:16 PM

So the new ad covers the same incident as the old ad, I am not getting how this is somehow controversial or illegal. This is really weak sauce.

echosyst on February 23, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Maybe Romney could shut down his off shore accounts to get them to look for missing voters.

they lie on February 23, 2012 at 7:19 PM

But Romney doesn’t know squat about these ads.

they lie on February 23, 2012 at 7:13 PM

I’d be surprised if any candidate was in a vacuum about what their super pacs were going to run. That said, this is pretty blatant rerun material.

hawkdriver on February 23, 2012 at 7:19 PM

So what. Small minds make small controversies. It’s a great story and a great ad any candidate wishes they could run, but then very few of them would ever do what Romney did.

jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:20 PM

it sure doesn’t pass the smell test

I don’t think Ron Paul can pass the smell test.

Emperor Norton on February 23, 2012 at 7:23 PM

So what. Small minds make small controversies. It’s a great story and a great ad any candidate wishes they could run, but then very few of them would ever do what Romney did.

jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:20 PM

You are right. Only Romney and Obama would use a tragedy like a missing person for political gain.

they lie on February 23, 2012 at 7:24 PM

This says more about Romney’s character than the recycled ad supplies. It says that Romney will break the laws of the nation he wants to lead. It also says he would break the laws of the nation over which he presides.

Al-Ozarka on February 23, 2012 at 7:25 PM

I love crafty. Makes me think he can out-snake Obama.

BettyRuth on February 23, 2012 at 7:25 PM

So what. Small minds make small controversies. It’s a great story and a great ad any candidate wishes they could run, but then very few of them would ever do what Romney did.

jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Most people would have done similar things for their companies. To recycle this over again makes the story as flat as his biography and record at Bain. Been there, done that. Next!

That they had to reuse it also shows that they are drawing straws.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:25 PM

You are right. Only Romney and Obama would use a tragedy like a missing person for political gain.

they lie on February 23, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Does Terry Schiavo qualify as a tragedy? How about aborted fetuses? How about his own daughter, Bela?

jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:27 PM

I love crafty. Makes me think he can out-snake Obama.

BettyRuth on February 23, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Shoot, let’s nominate Aleene Jackson. She at least has a line of craft glue.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Most people would have done similar things for their companies. To recycle this over again makes the story as flat as his biography and record at Bain. Been there, done that. Next!

That they had to reuse it also shows that they are drawing straws.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Most people have done similar things? No. How about even one other current candidate for President?

jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Shoot, let’s nominate Aleene Jackson. She at least has a line of craft glue.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:28 PM

And Barry’s got her Diamond Glaze plastered all over his B.S. rhetoric.

BettyRuth on February 23, 2012 at 7:30 PM

This is a great story.

We could use some new VP Christie porn though:
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/chris-christie-smacks-down-wapos-capehart-i’m-not-going-be-cross-examined-you

joana on February 23, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I love crafty. Makes me think he can out-snake Obama.

BettyRuth on February 23, 2012 at 7:25 PM

You confuse me. Everyone else who isn’t perfectly playing by some rulebook is deceitful and untrustworthy.

No offense, but I swear the majority of the folks here are pro spin doctors. No matter what a candidate does, they’re trying to convince us what the head office wants us to think.

hawkdriver on February 23, 2012 at 7:31 PM

New Romney Super PAC ad sure looks like a lot like old Romney campaign ad

So?

rich801 on February 23, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I like Allah’s theory. Did the original Romney approved ad ever air?

Buy Danish on February 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

The story itself on the Snopes link AP provided, is the eye-popping thing for me. A 14 year-old girl, o.d.-ing on Ecstasy, found shivering in a basement in NYC? A parent’s worst nightmare, to be sure.

Melissa is about 30 now. I would like to have seen her do the ad.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on February 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

I’m not a Mittbot, but I have to admit what Mittens did to help find the missing child is a really stand up thing to do.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Does Terry Schiavo qualify as a tragedy? How about aborted fetuses? How about his own daughter, Bela?

jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Rick shows a sense of personal conviction, and an abiding by his own personal faith, that you boy Mitt lacks. In fact, most elected Catholics – especially those in the Democrat Party – go against their own religion time and time again. To see someone actually show principle means a lot.

And it’s nice to see you out yourself as pro-choice and pro-death. Lovely.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:33 PM

We could use some new VP Christie porn though

joana on February 23, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Thank you, Ann Coulter, but no.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:35 PM

According to a campaign-finance lawyer interviewed by HuffPo, this is illegal

Well, if HuffPo and a Soros-connected lawyer says it’s illegal, then it just has to be so!!!!!

whatcat on February 23, 2012 at 7:36 PM

So the SuperPAC recycled a Mittens ad from 2007. Not sure that’s campaign coordination, unless you have evidence that Mittens used the same ad in the 2012 cycle and/or otherwise decided to use that imagery, guy, or event in the 2012 campaign.

Outlander on February 23, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Can somebody please answer me a very simple question? Does it perhaps make a tiny little bit of difference that the material in question WAS FROM A PREVIOUS CAMPAIGN?

A know it sounds a little nit-picky to bring something like this up. Huffpo didn’t bother, and they are the pros, right? The Huffpo article mentions that the Perry campaign raised eyebrows when a Perry SuperPac used footage from a Perry campaign ad in one of its own ads. But a) it looks like the two ads were from the current campaign and b) Huffpo fails to mention if the FEC opened an investigation into the situation. My guess is, if they had, the Huffpo article would have mentioned it.

If Romney’s team had interviewed Robert Gay for a current ad, and then the SuperPac used the footage as well, that would likely be a violation. This, I’m not so sure. But then again, who’s asking?

Mr. Arkadin on February 23, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Rick shows a sense of personal conviction, and an abiding by his own personal faith, that you boy Mitt lacks. In fact, most elected Catholics – especially those in the Democrat Party – go against their own religion time and time again. To see someone actually show principle means a lot.

And it’s nice to see you out yourself as pro-choice and pro-death. Lovely.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Is that “sense of personal conviction, and an abiding by his own personal faith” that Mitt lacks the reason why Mitt Romney gives 16% of his income to charity, but Skinflint Santorum manages less than 2%?

jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:38 PM

I’m not a Mittbot, but I have to admit what Mittens did to help find the missing child is a really stand up thing to do.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 23, 2012 at 7:32 PM

But that he reused the story in a similar ad? Meh. Falls as flat as him bringing up Bain Capital for the upteenth time.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Is that “sense of personal conviction, and an abiding by his own personal faith” that Mitt lacks the reason why Mitt Romney gives 16% of his income to charity, but Skinflint Santorum manages less than 2%?

jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:38 PM

True charity comes when people don’t telegraph their donations to the entire populace as a means of getting attention.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:39 PM

We could use some new VP Christie porn though
joana on February 23, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Thank you, Ann Coulter, but no.
Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Aw, com’n:
Coulter-Chritie Porn!

whatcat on February 23, 2012 at 7:39 PM

“New Romney Super PAC ad sure looks like a lot like old Romney campaign ad”

As we say in California … “big fuzzy duck”.

crosspatch on February 23, 2012 at 7:40 PM

We can also assert that there’s been coordination with Ron Paul, and with the Drudge report. An investigation would probably find these charges to be true.

anotherJoe on February 23, 2012 at 7:40 PM

And it’s nice to see you out yourself as pro-choice and pro-death. Lovely.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:33 PM

But…But…Romney is severely conservative.

they lie on February 23, 2012 at 7:41 PM

True charity comes when people don’t telegraph their donations to the entire populace as a means of getting attention.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:39 PM

I believe Romney was pushed to release those tax returns that showed is charitable giving. He didn’t advertise them. You make no sense.

jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:42 PM

As long as the rules apply to everyone…

… Oh, wait!

President Obama’s decision to have White House officials and Cabinet secretaries help raise money for a pro-Obama superPAC is raising questions.

Seven Percent Solution on February 23, 2012 at 7:44 PM

New Romney Super PAC ad sure looks like a lot like old Romney campaign ad

So?

rich801 on February 23, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Meet the new boss, same sa the old boss…

riddick on February 23, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Notice how Willard is 3% behind in his home state, while Santorum is 29% ahead in his home state, and Gingrich is 5% ahead in his home state.

Emperor Norton on February 23, 2012 at 7:41 PM

The Detroit Press/WXYZ and Franklin & Marshall polls! The biggest and the best!

jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:46 PM

The FEC’s rule does not mention anything about the holding of a copyright, but simply states, “the dissemination, distribution, or republication, in whole or in part, of any broadcast or any written, graphic, or other form of campaign materials prepared by the candidate, the candidate’s authorized committee, or an agent of either of the foregoing shall be considered a contribution for the purposes of contribution limitations and reporting responsibilities of the person making the expenditure.”

The footage in question was purchased from an outfit named Cold Harbor Films. Did Cold Harbor Films act as an “agent” of the Ronmey campaign when they shot the interview footage with Gay in 2007? Was someone unconnected with the campaign producing an ultimately unfinished documentary on Romney? Was this archival footage from the Bain archives? If Anderson Cooper intervied Gay in 2006 about this story, and the Romney campaign used the footage for a campaign ad in 2007, and then the SuperPac used the footage for an ad in 2012, would that be a violation? Would Anderson Cooper be considered an “agent” of the Romney forces (some folks here might say yes to that, heh) by the FEC?

Stupid questions? Maybe. But why not ask? Why not do some reporting? Eliminate the improbable. Better than relying on some hack Huffpo article that relies on some hack lawyer from the Campaign Legal Center, founded by hack Senator John McCain, and financed by this crowd of hacks:

the Benton Foundation, the Brennan Center for Justice, Carnegie Corporation of New York, the JEHT Foundation, the Justice Through Music Project, the Joyce Foundation, the Media Democracy Fund, the Open Society Institute, The Pew Charitable Trusts, the Proteus Fund, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the Rockefeller Family Fund, and the Stuart Family Foundation.

Mr. Arkadin on February 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM

The Detroit Press/WXYZ and Franklin & Marshall polls! The biggest and the best!
jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Heh. I’m on pins and needles waiting for the “East Bugwhistle World Herald & Weekly Shopper” poll to come in!1!11!11!!!

whatcat on February 23, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Meet the new boss, same sa the old boss…

riddick on February 23, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Only better.

rich801 on February 23, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Better than relying on some hack Huffpo article that relies on some hack lawyer from the Campaign Legal Center, founded by hack Senator John McCain, and financed by this crowd of hacks:

the Benton Foundation, the Brennan Center for Justice, Carnegie Corporation of New York, the JEHT Foundation, the Justice Through Music Project, the Joyce Foundation, the Media Democracy Fund, the Open Society Institute, The Pew Charitable Trusts, the Proteus Fund, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the Rockefeller Family Fund, and the Stuart Family Foundation.

Mr. Arkadin on February 23, 2012 at 7:53 PM

What? You mean to say you don’t trust Soros-financed operations?

whatcat on February 23, 2012 at 7:57 PM

You make no sense.

jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:42 PM

I feel the same way about you.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:57 PM

The Detroit Press/WXYZ and Franklin & Marshall polls! The biggest and the best!

jan3 on February 23, 2012 at 7:46 PM

What, you expected the Dem-sympathetic PPP polls?

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Whatever you think about them, most people who run for the highest offices are amazing people, and have deeply touched many lives in a personal way. This is just one guy saying how Mitt helped him when he was down.

Paul-Cincy on February 23, 2012 at 8:00 PM

You confuse me. Everyone else who isn’t perfectly playing by some rulebook is deceitful and untrustworthy.

No offense, but I swear the majority of the folks here are pro spin doctors. No matter what a candidate does, they’re trying to convince us what the head office wants us to think.

hawkdriver on February 23, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Nope, no spin doctoring here. Just someone who wants Barry gone and might, on occasion, go overboard in her defense of the candidate that she thinks can do that. And, BTW, in the olden days when I posted under a different name, you used to think I had some fairly coherent thoughts. And no, it wasn’t “anninca”!

BettyRuth on February 23, 2012 at 8:03 PM

I love crafty. Makes me think he can out-snake Obama.

BettyRuth on February 23, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Me too. Well, maybe he can’t out-snake him, but he’ll give him everything he’s got.

Of course the haters gotta hate. They cry that Romney doesn’t call Obama a socialist, and they’re positively indignant that his super-PAC “coordinated” with Romney’s 2007 campaign by running an ad that’s similar to the previous ad.

Syzygy on February 23, 2012 at 8:07 PM

I’m a Christian who loves the Lord… I’d have have to lie, cheat, manipulate, and give up my morals to get Mitt Romney elected respectable to my establishment opponents… not happening

apocalypse on February 23, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Of course the haters gotta hate. Syzygy on February 23, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Do you know what the word “hate” even means? I doubt it.

Al-Ozarka on February 23, 2012 at 8:16 PM

This Myron Fallwell character who comments here must be some kind of perfect. If you’re a bileduct that is….

Buy Danish on February 23, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Ross Perot hired mercenaries to break his EDS guys out of an Iranian jail. I want to vote for him for president…

catquilt on February 23, 2012 at 8:27 PM

But that he reused the story in a similar ad? Meh. Falls as flat as him bringing up Bain Capital for the upteenth time.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Dude, if you didnt feel moved at all by that you dont have a soul.

Would you do that for someone Myron? I dont think you would, and I doubt all the debbie downers in here would either. What Mitt did was incredible! I didnt know about that until now.

kmalkows on February 23, 2012 at 8:31 PM

OT: The Greenroom headlines are very Weekly World Newsy today. Coming soon to a supermarket aisle near you?

Buy Danish on February 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Did any of the conspiracy theorists including the Allah of overanalysis himself stop to think that they just used the old add without any coordination knowing full well that team Romney wouldnt sue them over it?

Besides, as we learned from the Tom Brokaw ad, because free speech is at its fullest protection for political speech, like political ads, grabbing snippets like this without permission is hard to stop no matter whose copyrighted material it is.

BAM

kmalkows on February 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Wow, so anytime someone does a great deed, that should qualify them for President??

If this is true, I commend Romney for shutting down Bain to look for his partners missing daughter.

However, this is no reason to make him President. Again it’s putting the focus anywhere but on his actual record. The bottom line is the Romneycare alone disqualifies him. Period.

And Romney is using this for cheap political props, still better than his usual attack and smear ads against Santorum and Newt.

LevinFan on February 23, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Wow, so anytime someone does a great deed, that should qualify them for President??

Ha, please. No one is saying that. Only you. But what it does do is maybe make some of the Romney haters realize that this guy does have a consistent core of principles and integrity and will always try to do the right thing.

Besides he is far more qualified for president than the other three in the contest. Jack Welsh calls him the most qualified candidate this century. How is this ad cheap?

kmalkows on February 23, 2012 at 8:43 PM

He believes totally in AGW, so it’s not a surprise.

I’d say the same thing if Newt’s SuperPACs were to reuse the same Bain attacks on Mitt.

Myron Falwell on February 23, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Lie. And the content of the ad is no surprise, given Mitt’s character.

Basilsbest on February 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Ha, please. No one is saying that. Only you. But what it does do is maybe make some of the Romney haters realize that this guy does have a consistent core of principles and integrity and will always try to do the right thing.

Besides he is far more qualified for president than the other three in the contest. Jack Welsh calls him the most qualified candidate this century. How is this ad cheap?

kmalkows on February 23, 2012 at 8:43 PM

More qualified? Based on what?? Mittens was a complete and utter failure as MA governor. If he was so great, then why isn’t he running in his record??

Instead all he has done is smear everyone else, except his new bed buddy RuPaul of course.

LevinFan on February 23, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Al-Ozarka on February 23, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Lighten up, Francis.

Syzygy on February 23, 2012 at 8:51 PM

What a great guy Mittens is. He sounds just like Maobama:

“And by the way, I want to make sure you understand that, for middle income families, the deductibility of home mortgage interest and charitable contributions, those things will continue. But for high income folks, we are going to cut back on that, so we make sure the top 1% keeps paying the current share they’re paying or more.”

http://www.therightscoop.com/occupy-romney-to-cut-charitable-deductions-because-top-1-needs-to-pay-more/

LevinFan on February 23, 2012 at 8:52 PM

i started them both at the same time – pretty cool – they are essentially identical.

ArthurMachado on February 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM

The Romney hate here is getting more and more stupid.

Gingrich pimps the 20 minute class warfare Bain ad during a debate and no one here blinks but that evil Romney might be colluding with his super pac and you guys site the HUFFINGTON POST as a reference?!?!??!

This site should be about Conservative viewpoints and Romney has made a hell of a case for him self through the fire of both sides attacking him relentlessly.

Hot Air should have a pro-Romney guy in the mix around here as it’s adaptation of a “not-Romney” image is making it look foolish.

Which “Not-Romney” are you for Allah?

The big government so-con Specter supporter or the unelectable occupy member?

Geez

Zybalto on February 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Anyone who doesn’t think there is coordination between Romney and his Super PAC has no clue about politics.

How ironic that this ad just happens to appear right now. Romney doesn’t do a thing unless it benefits him in the end. We have seen it time and time again. Paying a fine won’t matter to them if it gets the ad out. That’s what having billionaire’s money does for a campaign — they don’t sweat the small stuff like a fine as they just open up the wallet and donate some more. Totally unethical but that sums up Romney in my book.

As to his supporters who don’t understand our disgust at Romney, you need to get the facts of all the flip flops of Romney in trying to morph into a conservative because he is not a conservative. Then throw in his scorched policy and you have the reasons why people don’t support him.

For me it is personal as he endorsed Kay Bailey against Rick Perry for Governor, walked out on one of his Town Halls when he only allowed fellow Mormons or paid in-state staff to ask questions, and then there is the promise to be at our Convention in 2007 and then dissed us when it was too late to get another candidate.

I will never vote for Romney.

PhiKapMom on February 23, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Nope, no spin doctoring here. Just someone who wants Barry gone and might, on occasion, go overboard in her defense of the candidate that she thinks can do that. And, BTW, in the olden days when I posted under a different name, you used to think I had some fairly coherent thoughts. And no, it wasn’t “anninca”!

BettyRuth on February 23, 2012 at 8:03 PM

I’d be surprised if I thought that considering how unfairly you discuss Rich Santorum. What was your other name?

hawkdriver on February 23, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Notice how Willard is 3% behind in his home state, while Santorum is 29% ahead in his home state, and Gingrich is 5% ahead in his home state.

Emperor Norton on February 23, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Typical anti-Romney moronism. Mitt left Mi 47 years ago. Way to go Emperor. Not just disingenuous, but stupid.

The Emperor lies. Mitt leads by a whopping 48% in his home state.

Basilsbest on February 23, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Zybalto on February 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM

So is the Santorum hate. You should all calm down.

hawkdriver on February 23, 2012 at 9:41 PM

The Romney hate here is getting more and more stupid.

Zybalto on February 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM

You should read the posts by your fellow Romney supporters. Most are downright vile. I don’t really see what the point is – you are only going to galvanize opposition to him by calling his opponents names. Why can’t you talk about his plans and policies?

For instance, I agree with James Pethokoukis that Romney’s tax plan is pretty good – finally something that I can get behind. Why don’t you talk about that?

(Now if he could just say that health care mandates are unconscionable usurpations of individual autonomy, we’d be getting somewhere.)

besser tot als rot on February 23, 2012 at 10:02 PM

You should read the posts by your fellow Romney supporters. Most are downright vile. I don’t really see what the point is – you are only going to galvanize opposition to him by calling his opponents names. Why can’t you talk about his plans and policies?

Simply not true. The hate against Romney – consisting mainly of stupid, vicious, unsupported, ridiculous assertions – as opposed to the hate expressed by Romney’s supporters – is about 100-1 .

I don’t hate Freddie Mac or Santacontrolfreakanarium. I just point out why they are unelectable.

Basilsbest on February 23, 2012 at 10:47 PM

This just highlights the utter stupidity of campaign finance laws. Drop the limits individuals can give to candidates, require that all contributions are to be reported for transparency, and let candidates coordinate with outside groups if they want (wouldn’t be necessary with unlimited contributions, but don’t prohibit it). First Amendment.

Bitter Clinger on February 23, 2012 at 10:51 PM

(Now if he could just say that health care mandates are unconscionable usurpations of individual autonomy, we’d be getting somewhere.)besser tot als rot on February 23, 2012 at 10:02 PM

If you are providing for your own health care the mandate does not affect you. If you are not, your insistence that I pay for your health care with my taxes is odious. Your use of the word unconscionable to describe Romney’s position is hysterical.

If you think you have the high ground on this issue, you are wrong. You occupy the knee-jerk, failure to think it through, ground.

Basilsbest on February 23, 2012 at 10:54 PM

If you are providing for your own health care the mandate does not affect you. If you are not, your insistence that I pay for your health care with my taxes is odious. Your use of the word unconscionable to describe Romney’s position is hysterical.

If you think you have the high ground on this issue, you are wrong. You occupy the knee-jerk, failure to think it through, ground.

Basilsbest on February 23, 2012 at 10:54 PM

If you think a mandate is keeping your tax dollars from paying for the health care of others, you aren’t paying attention. Those who aren’t paying for insurance under the mandate are still getting paid for under Medicaid.

Bitter Clinger on February 23, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Agreed, intentional if not illegal. Just another self-serving politician praised for his morals, while he lies with a wink and a nod about his non-association with his PACs. I hope we keep on until we throw ‘em all out!

rosietheconservater on February 23, 2012 at 11:31 PM

If you think a mandate is keeping your tax dollars from paying for the health care of others, you aren’t paying attention. Those who aren’t paying for insurance under the mandate are still getting paid for under Medicaid. Bitter Clinger on February 23, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Getting paid for? Do you mean covered? You undermine your comment with your carelessness.

Romney didn’t provide that those who didn’t pay the fine would still be covered? We know they would be provided with care. That’s the law in Ma pre-Romney and post Romney. He couldn’t change that. So what’s your point? Do you know?

Basilsbest on February 23, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Simply not true. The hate against Romney – consisting mainly of stupid, vicious, unsupported, ridiculous assertions – as opposed to the hate expressed by Romney’s supporters – is about 100-1 .

I don’t hate Freddie Mac or Santacontrolfreakanarium. I just point out why they are unelectable.

Basilsbest on February 23, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Are you reading what you’re writing? Your 100-1 ratio is ridiculous. But then again, so are most of your comments now. You used to be one of the commenters here that was always worth a read. Now, like about half of the posters here, you’re just part of the partisan shill team. Look at your comment. Where you are saying the attacks against other candidates are in the minority by your group of supporters, you offer up your own insults and name-calling.

hawkdriver on February 24, 2012 at 8:04 AM

All of which MAKES RINO Romney JUST LIKE OBAMA. The evil George Soros was right, “There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the two.” In an election cycle where a CONSERVATIVE Daffy Duck could get elected against the Jackass-In-Chief,, the RepublicRAT establishment jams Willard (from the RAT movie of the same name) down our throats (a backroom deal from ’08)!!! Nice goin’, STUPID Party!?!

Colatteral Damage on February 24, 2012 at 4:19 PM