Obama apologizes for Koran burning incident in Afghanistan

posted at 9:50 am on February 23, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

After several days of unrest in Afghanistan over the burning of Korans removed from detention facilities, President Obama has sent a note of apology to Hamid Karzai.  Obama stresses that the destruction was inadvertent, and that those who made the “error” would be held accountable:

President Obama sent Afghan President Hamid Karzai a letter on Thursday apologizing for the alleged burning of Korans at a U.S. military base, Karzai’s office confirmed on its website.

“I wish to express my deep regret for the reported incident,” Obama wrote. “I extend to you and the Afghan people my sincere apologies.”

The president concludes the letter: “The error was inadvertent; I assure you that we will take the appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, to include holding accountable those responsible.”

Was it really “inadvertent,” though? According to CNN’s report on the destruction of the materials, they had good reason to seize and destroy the books:

The Qurans were among religious materials removed from a detainee facility at Bagram Airfield. The materials were gathered for disposal and were inadvertently given to troops for burning, Gen. John Allen, commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force, said Tuesday.

“This was not a decision that was made because they were religious materials,” he said. “It was not a decision that was made with respect to the faith of Islam. It was a mistake. It was an error. The moment we found out about it, we immediately stopped and we intervened.”

A military official said the materials were removed from the detainee center’s library because they had “extremist inscriptions” on them and there was “an appearance that these documents were being used to facilitate extremist communications.”

Well, if detainees were marking up the Korans for “extremist communications,” didn’t that deface the Korans anyway?  Either way, the US couldn’t return the books to the detention center after having discovered the secret communications added to them, and we couldn’t just store them forever, either.  I’m not conversant on the proper destruction of Korans in the Muslim faith, but burning them sounds better than throwing them into a landfill.  The responsibility for the need to destroy them rests with the terrorists who defaced them in the first place.

That brings us to the issue of the apology.  Although I’m likely to be in the minority here, it’s probably a smart and cost-free move for Obama to apologize to Karzai. Regardless of how difficult it is to work with Karzai, he’s the best option we’re going to have in Afghanistan for quite a while.  If an apology can bolster his standing in the face of the riots, or at least minimize the political damage he takes in this tempest in a tea cup, then it’s a minor trifle to offer it.

In the future, though, the US can avoid the problem by removing all of the Korans from detention centers.  Let them read Hayek or de Tocqueville instead, and when they deface those books for their communications, no one will riot if we burn them.  We are under no obligation to provide detainees with Korans, and that will avoid all of the problems associated with their handling and disposal.

Update: Allahpundit e-mailed me this new development:

“An individual wearing an Afghan National Army uniform turned his weapon against International Security Assistance Force service members in eastern Afghanistan today, killing two service members,” ISAF said.

ISAF did not identify the nationalities of the dead soldiers and gave no further details of the incident, which came on the third day of fierce protests against the burning of the Koran at a US-run military base.

Asked whether the events were connected, an ISAF spokesman would only say: “There was a demonstration in the province.”

Afghan troops defending a foreign base in eastern Nangarhar province had “joined demonstrators and opened fire on foreign troops”, a protester told the Afghan Islamic Press news agency.

Thousands of furious Afghans besieged a US base for the third day in a row on Thursday, throwing rocks and climbing up the outer walls.

If an apology can defuse that situation, then as I wrote above, it’s a cost-free sop to Karzai and Obama was correct to offer it.  We’ll see how effective it is.


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They do and say anything and expect no repercussions but even the slightest slight and they are up in arms and acting crazy. Someone needs to remind them who started this.

aniptofar on February 23, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Don’t go ballistic but the word is sleight It is a homophone or homonym. Just trying to help.

I agree wholeheartedly with your commentary, however.

DevilsPrinciple on February 23, 2012 at 10:44 AM

So the administration apologizes for burning Quran’s but no such apology when they did the same thing to thousands of Bibles last year.

Dasher on February 23, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Our “President” is apologizing to our enemies (his friends) for not allowing extremist propaganda to be disseminated among the followers of the religion of perpetual outrage?? who’d of thought…. jeesh..

Viper1 on February 23, 2012 at 10:46 AM

POTUS should have said burning the books was just the start. Shape up or we’ll burn your whole darn pesthole to ashes.

sandspur on February 23, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Actual quote from “The Audacity of Hope” [pg. 261]:

Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

That is highly “nuanced”, as Obama can claim that he was merely describing the needs of the Arab and Pakistani Americans with whom he met…but he doesn’t deny that he would indeed “stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction”.

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 10:47 AM

So, our “president” is apologizing to our enemies for our Armed Forces destroying enemy propaganda materials? Isn’t that special.

Pork-Chop on February 23, 2012 at 10:40 AM

“I don’t know all of the details…but its clear that the police acted….stupidly”

B.Obama

Mimzey on February 23, 2012 at 10:48 AM

A trial? Are you kidding me?

Well, Obama did, quite stupidly, promise to.punish whoever was involved.

What a world.

Vera on February 23, 2012 at 10:49 AM

How nice to see Obama groveling again! Another opportunity for him to express his hatred and contempt for the U.S. Stanley Ann would have been proud of her little boy.

Scriptor on February 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Weak horse

tommy-t on February 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Did he bow too?

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2012 at 10:57 AM

The “opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer” are the Shahada, the Muslim confession of faith.

Speak those words in Arabic and, as Jazz Shaw noted:

POOF! You’re a Muslim!

If that’s true for Jeff on the TLC show, and for Muslims world-wide, why wouldn’t it be true for Barack Hussein Obama?

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:00 AM

I double dog dare any member of the media to ask Obama:

1) What do the opening lines of the Islamic Call to Prayer mean?

2) What does it means to the Muslim world when a person recites those words in Arabic?

3) Why did you choose to recite those words, in Arabic, to New York Times reporter Nicholas Kristof?

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:01 AM

It doesn’t take an advanced degree in trend analysis to see that the more we apologize, the more they kill us. So, no, this is not a “cost-free” anything. Quite the opposite. It’s criminal negligence.

WhatSlushfund on February 23, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Obama knows exactly what the Shahada means, and he knows exactly what the Muslim world thinks of someone who recites it in Arabic. And he knows that they will write off his claims of “I am a Christian” as being merely Taqiyya.

The truth of Obama’s faith matters, given that he said this about his faith:

But my journey is part of a larger journey – one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.

Barack Hussein Obama

Jihad, anyone?

Assault Hope: From Jakarta to the White House

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:03 AM

How can any real American refuse to disavow this neuter as our president?

Crusty on February 23, 2012 at 11:03 AM

NotCoach on February 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Sorry, NOT. You fail.

Obamao was born a Muslim. When he lived in Indonesia he was schooled in a Madrassa.

Almost every action Obamao takes in favor of Muslims or against Christians & Jews, especially with regards to foreign policy. He has, with the help of the State Dept, turned the entire northern part of Africa over to the Muslims. He is helping finance the Muslim terrorists by blocking the extraction of oil in our country. He attacks Christians & Jews almost daily.

Sporty1946 on February 23, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Sorry, NOT. You fail.

Obamao was born a Muslim. When he lived in Indonesia he was schooled in a Madrassa.

Almost every action Obamao takes in favor of Muslims or against Christians & Jews, especially with regards to foreign policy. He has, with the help of the State Dept, turned the entire northern part of Africa over to the Muslims. He is helping finance the Muslim terrorists by blocking the extraction of oil in our country. He attacks Christians & Jews almost daily.

Sporty1946 on February 23, 2012 at 11:04 AM

You fail at reading comprehension.

NotCoach on February 23, 2012 at 11:05 AM

If that’s true for Jeff on the TLC show, and for Muslims world-wide, why wouldn’t it be true for Barack Hussein Obama?

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Because in America we don’t worship a death cult headed by a petty and vindictive “god”. Obama is a Muslim only if he believes in his own heart he is a Muslim.

NotCoach on February 23, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Of all the things Obama has “apologized” for, this is probably the one that makes the most sense.

But, having said that, I find it “interesting” that some of the same people who support “art” like hanging a cross in urine or wiping feces on an image of Mary, are loudly complaining about how this is an “affront” to Islam and shouldn’t be tolerated.

taznar on February 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Sorry, Ed, but I don’t think his apology defused the situation at all. In fact, it emboldened the zealots and rioters. Now they’ve killed two of our guys.

What next, helicopters on the roof?

PattyJ on February 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Don’t go ballistic but the word is sleight It is a homophone or homonym. Just trying to help.

DevilsPrinciple on February 23, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Don’t go ballistic, but the word is actually slight. Sleight is dexterity, skill, or craftiness. The noun slight is an implied insult. Just trying to help. ;)

Trafalgar on February 23, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Apologizing shows weakness to our enemies. Does anyone here really think by doing so Obama has ended the hysteria? I didn’t think so…

sandee on February 23, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Guess Barack ‘deserves’ a B+ for apologizing.

TimBuk3 on February 23, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Because in America we don’t worship a death cult headed by a petty and vindictive “god”. Obama is a Muslim only if he believes in his own heart he is a Muslim.

NotCoach on February 23, 2012 at 11:09 AM

I don’t know what Obama really believes in his heart, but I do know what words that Obama has chosen to speak from his mouth.

Whether he believes it or not, the Muslim world views Barack Hussein Obama as a Muslim because he recited the Shahada in Arabic.

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:16 AM

When see that corrupt POS Karzai in our White House, I want to vomit…it’s infuriating. And I agree that the presidents’ apology doesn’t help, but only exacerbates the situation. I’m sure the powers that be are frantically searching for some unfortunate low-level military officer to sacrifice at the Terrorist-Coddling alter right now.

ellifint on February 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Burning our flag is still OK, right Barry?

katy the mean old lady on February 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Apologizing shows weakness to our enemies

sandee on February 23, 2012 at 11:12 AM

True except that these animals are supposedly our friends.

Happy Nomad on February 23, 2012 at 11:19 AM

With the confessions of his own mouth, Obama has:

1) Espoused a belief in “collective salvation” that is NOT based on the teachings of the Bible.

2) Recited the Islamic confession of faith in Arabic.

A true Christian would not have done either of those things.

A true Christian would have no problem confessing, in agreement with Romans 10:9-10:

“Jesus Christ is Lord and I believe in my heart that God has raised Him from the dead.”

Obama’s never done that.

The confessions of Obama’s own mouth reveal that he is not a true Christian. He’ll espouse an athiest socialist belief (“collective salvation”), and he’ll espouse a Muslim belief (confessing the Shahada in Arabic), but he has yet to espouse a Christian belief in God the Father raising Jesus Christ from the dead.

Obama can say that he’s a Christian all he wants, but merely saying, “I am a Christian” does not make him one.

For 20+ years, Obama attended a “church” led by the racist, pro-Palestinian, pro-Louis Farrakhan, Bible-distorting Jeremiah Wright.

And now, his administration has condoned the burning of Bibles by our military, but condemed and apologized for the burning of Korans by our military.

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:20 AM

But no apology to the Christian for making them pay for things they don’t want to pay for?

Am I crazy for thinking this way?

LibertyJane on February 23, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Oh for a leader who would send this letter:

Dear Mr. Karzai and the rest of the Muslim world:

Pound sand.

Sincerely,

President of the United States of America

Mitoch55 on February 23, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Thank god we got involved in nation building.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Apologizing shows weakness to our enemies

sandee on February 23, 2012 at 11:12 AM

I hope this is sarcasm.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Burning our flag is still OK, right Barry?

katy the mean old lady on February 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Or his mentor dancing on it.

Or not putting his hand over his heart while the national anthem is played.

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Whether he believes it or not, the Muslim world views Barack Hussein Obama as a Muslim because he recited the Shahada in Arabic.

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:16 AM

I don’t give a rat’s a$$ what the Muslim world believes. I reject criminals and thugs who reject free will. And the moment we start giving legitimacy to such barbaric thinking is the moment we start to reject our freely determined destinies.

NotCoach on February 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Of all the things Obama has “apologized” for, this is probably the one that makes the most sense.

But, having said that, I find it “interesting” that some of the same people who support “art” like hanging a cross in urine or wiping feces on an image of Mary, are loudly complaining about how this is an “affront” to Islam and shouldn’t be tolerated.

taznar on February 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Do you think the burning of the Korans was done in the name of art???? Surely you see the difference.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Dude, you’re a bigoted troll. There is no religious test for office. I couldn’t care less what religion the president is. Heck, I couldn’t care less if the president has no religious beliefs. All I care about is if the president follows the Constitution.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Do you think the burning of the Korans was done in the name of art???? Surely you see the difference.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM

No, the burning of Korans which had been defaced by Muslims, was done in the name of properly disposing of defaced Korans in accordance with Islamic law.

Trafalgar on February 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM

I couldn’t care less if the president has no religious beliefs. All I care about is if the president follows the Constitution.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Well then you must hate Obama because he’s trashed that particular document and would love to do more. What do you think Fast and Furious was all about?

Happy Nomad on February 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Do you think the burning of the Korans was done in the name of art???? Surely you see the difference.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM

This, in my book, is art:

Part 1

Part 2

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:31 AM

From Reuters:

Afghanistan President Karzai’s office says NATO promises a fair and public trial for Quran burners

We’re going to prosecute.

amerpundit on February 23, 2012 at 10:36 AM

And I’m going to vomit.

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on February 23, 2012 at 11:37 AM

President Ben Dover winds up with chocolate lips….again.

timberline on February 23, 2012 at 11:37 AM

From Reuters:

Afghanistan President Karzai’s office says NATO promises a fair and public trial for Quran burners

We’re going to prosecute.

amerpundit on February 23, 2012 at 10:36 AM

~~~~~~~

OMG…madness.

ellifint on February 23, 2012 at 11:39 AM

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Dude, you’re a bigoted troll.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Are all Bible-believing Christians, in your view, bigots?

Let’s try to be mature and stay away from ad hominem attacks, shall we?

There is no religious test for office.

Correct. You and I both know that Article VI of the United States Constitution includes the following:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

You may or may not know that John Jay (1st Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court) thought and said that the electorate themselves should apply their own test:

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian Nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.

It is our duty, our privilege, and our interest, as a Christian Nation, to personally select and prefer Christians when we vote.

I couldn’t care less what religion the president is. Heck, I couldn’t care less if the president has no religious beliefs. All I care about is if the president follows the Constitution.

That is your right.

It is also my right to check the fruit on the tree of those who claim to be a Christian.

A politician does NOT have to be a Christian to hold any office.

HOWEVER, if a politician voluntarily tells the electorate, “I am a Christian”, then the electorate has every right to ask questions about that voluntary statement. The politician likely said that to gain the trust and vote of Christians, and Christians can, and should, ask the politician to clarify whether or not they agree with, and are willing to confess, salvation as described in the Bible:

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:9-10

If they are not willing to do that, then they should not be going around telling people that they are a Christian.

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM

“I wish to express my deep regret for the reported incident,” Obama wrote. “I extend to you and the Afghan people my sincere apologies.”

The president concludes the letter: “The error was inadvertent; I assure you that we will take the appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, to include holding accountable those responsible.”

Note the language used here: this is a genuine, heartfelt prostration.

Compare it to all the non-apology apologies Obama has grudgingly and belatedly offered for insults he has personally committed against Americans: “I’m sorry that you were offended by what I did.”

He’s never once apologized TO us. He always apologizes FOR us, bemoaning the fact that we’re all too hopelessly benighted to completely comprehend his infallibility.

Add this to all the instances when Barack Hussein Obama has literally kowtowed to foreigners for the countless ways America, its citizens and its soldiers have been insufficiently reverential to the people he believes it’s his job to serve.

logis on February 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Can we really ever have rational dealings with people who act like this? They do and say anything and expect no repercussions but even the slightest slight and they are up in arms and acting crazy. Someone needs to remind them who started this.

aniptofar on February 23, 2012 at 9:58 A

Don’t go ballistic but the word is sleight It is a homophone or homonym. Just trying to help.

DevilsPrinciple on February 23, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Don’t go ballistic, but the word is actually slight. Sleight is dexterity, skill, or craftiness. The noun slight is an implied insult. Just being an a$$hole trying to help. ;)

Trafalgar on February 23, 2012 at 11:12 AM

sleight/slīt/
Noun:
The use of dexterity or cunning, esp. so as to deceive.
Synonyms:
artifice – skill – adroitness – dexterity – ability

It could also be SLEIGHT, also a noun as noted…AND IT WAS DIRECTED AT HIM…NOT YOU. If he wishes to correct, I think you should allow him to, it was his comment and not yours. ;)

However,based on your chest thumping comments elsewhere on this thread,I’m willing to bet that you’re not done with this :o

DevilsPrinciple on February 23, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Time to soil korans at any chance I get while chanting ” eff you muzzos ” and calling alah a filthy pig.

Muzzos are worse than the ” black plaque ”

Let’s get back to colonial days and take what little they have and convert the ones who we didn’t eliminate

Sonosam on February 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I think everyone is missing the point. It is our airbase and the Afgahns never should have known that we were burning anything at all. The one who needs to be held accountable is the one who told them we were burning korans. Whatever happened to keeping secrets?

paulrtaylor on February 23, 2012 at 10:26 AM

My thoughts as well, who leaked this and why?

nwpammy on February 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Dude, you’re a bigoted troll.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Pot, meet the kettle.

VegasRick on February 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM

How about their apology for being a bunch of illiterate, 6th century, third world savages and for killing their own people as well as ours, and their inability to join the world as a viable nation. We should get the hell out and if they come to attack us, then we retaliate with the full force and measure of our military. Oh wait, odumbo has turned us into an impotent third world nation ourselves… (bowing and scraping to Karzai the thug).

Not only does odumbo not answer the 3am phone call, he doesn’t have a phone extension.

ultracon on February 23, 2012 at 11:52 AM

B. Hussein Obama does not need to repeat the Shahada since his father was a Muslim he was born one. In fact this Muslim by birth argument is essentially what is being used as evidence in the conviction of the Christian pastor in Iran who has been sentenced to death for apostasy.

Annar on February 23, 2012 at 11:55 AM

No one should know about this, if something is burned up, usually there is nothing left. Where did this information come from, and why wasn’t it something covert if it was sensitive?

A relative of mine, is not allowed to say where he is on the ground, and that is considered privileged information. Why not this burning?

Only religious people who kill and maim over perceived offenses get a hearing with this president? He doesn’t want to offend THEM, he doesn’t care how he offends Catholics with REAL infractions on their religious freedom.

The islamists must become culturally sensitive and realize that when we burn something it is our culturally accepted way of disposing of it properly. These books were defiled by secret messages written on the pages. Much worse! Americans did not do that.

Fleuries on February 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM

He’s never once apologized TO us. He always apologizes FOR us, bemoaning the fact that we’re all too hopelessly benighted to completely comprehend his infallibility.

logis on February 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Great point logis.

These apologies are for the very acts committed in his name,which he created and then blamed on the American public or some other entity. His excuse when he does it “It’s was inadvertent.” It’s always someone else. My budgets are “fiscally responsible.”, “57 states”,the list is endless with Oblammo.

I wonder if the death of two of our soldiers as a result of this, was inadvertent as well.

DevilsPrinciple on February 23, 2012 at 11:57 AM

He’s never once apologized TO us. He always apologizes FOR us…

logis on February 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

True.

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 12:00 PM

I think everyone is missing the point. It is our airbase and the Afgahns never should have known that we were burning anything at all. The one who needs to be held accountable is the one who told them we were burning korans. Whatever happened to keeping secrets?

paulrtaylor on February 23, 2012 at 10:26 AM

My thoughts as well, who leaked this and why?

nwpammy on February 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM

~~~~~~~

I’m sure the base employs natives…when our best friend was stationed in Jubail, he told us there were all sorts of people around doing work…I guess it wasn’t Saudis, but they had tons of men from parts of Africa (iirc) come in to do the menial work that was beneath the Saudis…he even said these men were the ones entrusted to guard their compound, so, needless to say, they had an informal rotation in place to *really* guard themselves. This was before September 11th, though.

ellifint on February 23, 2012 at 12:00 PM

When will he apologize to the US for burning our constitution?

The Rogue Tomato on February 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM

However,based on your chest thumping comments elsewhere on this thread,I’m willing to bet that you’re not done with this :o

DevilsPrinciple on February 23, 2012 at 11:46 AM

My, my! Chill out dude! Spell it any way you want! I was having some fun, as I suspected you were also. Could you point me to my “chest-thumping” comments please?

Trafalgar on February 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Remember this apology in November !!!

galtani on February 23, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Do you think that Mr. Obama might push back a little by pointing out that the Taliban themselves profaned the Koran?

I suspect that there are not many religious Afghans who would deface the Koran, so maybe refocussing the issue on those who supposedly ought to know better would be wise.

unclesmrgol on February 23, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Chill out dude!

Trafalgar on February 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Dude ?…

LOL !

Could you point me to my “chest-thumping” comments please?

Trafalgar on February 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Sure. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^= vertical. Are we good now ? : >

DevilsPrinciple on February 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Small kids and babies murdered, women and children nothing but property…blowing up innocents all over the globe, and not a peep of “protest” by the “faithful” against the crimes committed in the name of Allah.

Yet, one already-desecrated Koran gets tossed in the dust bin, or burned with the trash…a book…paper and ink…a book…and these followers of the so-called religion of “peace” will murder,maim and destroy till there is no one left to murder…

The Korans were destroyed because their “owners” were using them for writing paper…sending messages to one another…nice observance of the holiness of that book, Ma’moud.

Yep.

Nothing like having priorities and standards.

coldwarrior on February 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

If an apology can defuse that situation, then as I wrote above, it’s a cost-free sop to Karzai and Obama was correct to offer it. We’ll see how effective it is.

My husband has been to Afghanistan twice. The people rioting are the unemployed, it’s not the Afghans with jobs, that are rioting. They want employment. They aren’t looking for an apology, they are looking for a tribute for the offense of burning their holy book $$$$ You know moolah :) They want some sawbucks to make things right. That’s how it’s done in that part of the world. The U.S. Military has to pay a fine for burning the Korans, that’s how the primitives operate, they want a “Tribute”.

Dr Evil on February 23, 2012 at 12:13 PM

DevilsPrinciple on February 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Yeah, was kind of hoping you could back up the “chest-thumping comments” slight/sleight, but whatever gives you giggles.

Trafalgar on February 23, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Dr Evil on February 23, 2012 at 12:13 PM

They may be looking for a tribute but they are also killing foreigners and their government is allowing it all to happen and probably organizing it.

Happy Nomad on February 23, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Are all Bible-believing Christians, in your view, bigots?

I don’t know. I can only speak of the ones I’ve encountered. In my view, you are a bigot and you’re a troll. At the least, you’re a spammer.

You may or may not know that John Jay (1st Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court) thought and said that the electorate themselves should apply their own test:

It is our duty, our privilege, and our interest, as a Christian Nation, to personally select and prefer Christians when we vote.

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM

John Jay isn’t exactly someone I would select to be in your corner, and certainly not that quote. Rulers? Really? Don’t project your beliefs onto me and tell me that I am obligated to follow your moral code and that I must act according to your beliefs.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 12:22 PM

SIC Sorry-in-chief

Wade on February 23, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Do you think that Mr. Obama might push back a little by pointing out that the Taliban themselves profaned the Koran?

unclesmrgol on February 23, 2012 at 12:08 PM

First rule of apologizing is that you don’t “push back” and point out where the other party is mistaken. That’s the problem with jug-ears making this worthless gesture in the first place. Throw in the fact that Obama has spent three years pandering to Muslims no matter how closely aligned to terrorist organizations and it becomes clear that this was just another variation on the Cairo speech where he essentially trashes the United States for the benefit of all his Islamic friends.

Happy Nomad on February 23, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 12:22 PM

I think being an Iranian apologist has curdled your brain. I personally will never vote for a single Muslim for any office. Islam is antithetical to fee will and they freely admit this if you’re paying attention. And wholesale rejection of free will is not compatible with liberal democracy.

When Muslims stop believing they must enslave their followers to keep them I’ll reassess my complete rejection of Muslims for public office. But until such a time no Muslim is fit to serve in an elected position.

NotCoach on February 23, 2012 at 12:31 PM

So I guess that all those Korans that are incinerated during those suicide bombings of those Afghan bazaars don’t count.
I dont think the Taliban is apologising for them.

Thicklugdonkey on February 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Dr Evil on February 23, 2012 at 12:13 PM

They may be looking for a tribute but they are also killing foreigners and their government is allowing it all to happen and probably organizing it.

Happy Nomad on February 23, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Karzai has been put on notice we are leaving. Afghanistan’s GDP is 17 billion dollars, what does Afghanistan produce besides civil strife? It’s no secret that the present Afghan government is corrupt.

Their GDP comes in the form of foreign aid. Once we leave, Karzai has to deal with the Taliban. (Maybe he thinks this makes him look less of a U.S. toady?) The only other option he has is to bug out to a friendly European country. The gravy train is coming to an end they are going to get desperate. I think someone made a poor decision to burn those books. It’s not a secret that these people live by that book. But it is the locals who have not profited by the foreign intervention that are rioting. It’s not the Afghans that have been employed by foreigners – outside of poppy farming probably the only other form of gainful employment.

This is a no brainer, they should round up the ring leaders, and offer them some $$ for the offense of the book burning. The rioting would stop pretty soon after.

Dr Evil on February 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Weak horse’s a$$

tommy-t on February 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM

VegasRick on February 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM

I think being an Iranian apologist has curdled your brain. I personally will never vote for a single Muslim for any office. Islam is antithetical to fee will and they freely admit this if you’re paying attention. And wholesale rejection of free will is not compatible with liberal democracy.

When Muslims stop believing they must enslave their followers to keep them I’ll reassess my complete rejection of Muslims for public office. But until such a time no Muslim is fit to serve in an elected position.

NotCoach on February 23, 2012 at 12:31 PM

I frankly don’t care. If you want to embrace bigotry, you are certainly free to do so.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Dante,
What is your definition of “bigotry”?

And what is your definition of “troll”?

ITguy on February 23, 2012 at 12:41 PM

I frankly don’t care.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM

I think we know that already. What’s next, being considered a bigot for rejecting Paulian neo-confederacy? Is Islam now an accident of birth and thus above ridicule or scorn?

Whether you like it or not, Judeo-Christian values and Islamic values are not compatible within in the same government. Neither are ethnicities or genders. They are religious and political philosophies.

NotCoach on February 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM

While he’s at it, perhaps he can apologize for burning the Constitution.

hungrymongo on February 23, 2012 at 12:49 PM

I think your comment that you wrote an e-mail to the WH qualifies as “chest thumping”, among others. Certainly this is specific enough. But, that depends on whether you want to have the last word which wouldn’t surprise me based on your “chest thumping” posts.

I hope you remembered to cc AG Holder and VP Biden on that memo, Dude?

DevilsPrinciple on February 23, 2012 at 12:49 PM

“US President George W Bush has made a personal apology over the shooting of a Koran by an American soldier, the White House has confirmed.

Mr. Bush made the apology during one of his regular video conferences wit Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki. The soldier was sent home by the US military after the Muslim holy book was found riddled with bullet holes at a shooting range by Iraqi police.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7410367.stm

Mmm...Burritos on February 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM

The Military now “services the target”, no longer destroyes or kills the enemy. I’m not kidding you.

PC will kill us all.

Schadenfreude on February 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM

DevilsPrinciple on February 23, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Silly person. Buh-bye.

Trafalgar on February 23, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Apologies, they are what the O does best. Oh, and bowing.

StevC on February 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM

“service the target?”

Schadenfreude on February 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Isn’t that what the shotzies outside the main gate at Gutleut Kaserne in Frankfurt used to call it?

coldwarrior on February 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I’m not conversant on the proper destruction of Korans in the Muslim faith,

Like so much else that it imitates from Jewish law, Islam says that defective holy texts should be respectfully buried.

bgoldman on February 23, 2012 at 12:58 PM

“US President George W Bush has made a personal apology over the shooting of a Koran by an American soldier, the White House has confirmed.

Mr. Bush made the apology during one of his regular video conferences wit Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki. The soldier was sent home by the US military after the Muslim holy book was found riddled with bullet holes at a shooting range by Iraqi police.”

Mmm…Burritos on February 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Whew, that took a while. Glad it’s resolved now. Bush did it! Difference is that pumping rounds into a copy of the Koran at a shooting range is arguably offensive to Muslims (whether I agree or not) and might be grounds for an apology. Disposing of defaced Korans in a manner consistent with Islamic law is not.

Trafalgar on February 23, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Mmm…Burritos on February 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Maybe there was a blog post about it back then. What do you think the comments looked like? Do you think we are like the typical Obama supporter and make excuses for bad decisions by someone we may have voted for? Or do you think many, if not most of us, lambasted Bush for it?

BTW, I think I gave up using this type of counter argument when I was 10. I found it never really impressed anyone to point fingers when defending my own actions.

NotCoach on February 23, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Lib4life,
Two US troops killed AFTER the apology. I hope it was not a relative. However, you haven’t learned history. Appeasment doesn’t work.
PS Yes, I served

Bevan on February 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Appeasment doesn’t work.

Bevan on February 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Interventionism doesn’t work.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Do you think the burning of the Korans was done in the name of art???? Surely you see the difference.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM

I do. One was an accident. Yet its the accidental disrespect of another’s religion that garners the outrage.

taznar on February 23, 2012 at 1:15 PM

As a tribute I think we should burn a koran for each American soldier that is killed or wounded by a koran thumping muslim.

Conservative4Ever on February 23, 2012 at 1:19 PM

I expect an apology for the murders.

My approval rating for Muslims has fallen to 1%.

ZGMF_Freedom on February 23, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Why would the commander in chief apologize to savages to who murdered American soldiers over a burned book? Shouldn’t he be apologizing to the families of the American soldiers while vowing to bring their killer to justice?

Hera on February 23, 2012 at 1:53 PM

When the innocent acts of a free people annoy you, then that’s your problem, not theirs.

Paul-Cincy on February 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Appeasment doesn’t work.

Bevan on February 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Interventionism doesn’t work.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Obliteration does work.

MouthyMainah on February 23, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Of all the alternate-reality tropes in the epistemically-closed world of the right-wing blogosphere, the “Obama as apologizer for America” myth has always been one of the most persistent. For me, it’s one of the most fascinating examples of how something so demonstrably untrue can live on as perceived fact in the minds of some.

So when I heard about the Karzai letter, which included an ACTUAL apology –and a necessary one, as Morrissey notes–I wondered how it would be received here.

And I’m pleased to see that that the expected troggy howls happened early, but not often, and seem to be giving way to more thoughtful and nuanced analysis.

Drew Lowell on February 23, 2012 at 1:59 PM

It’s ok for the military to burn bibles but it’s criminal for them to burn korans!

Obama really wonders why some people think he’s a secret muslim?

sadsushi on February 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Isn’t that what the shotzies outside the main gate at Gutleut Kaserne in Frankfurt used to call it?

coldwarrior on February 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Were you at Gutleut? I was there myself 63-65

kenny on February 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM

However,based on your chest thumping comments elsewhere on this thread,I’m willing to bet that you’re not done with this :o

DevilsPrinciple on February 23, 2012 at 11:46 AM
My, my! Chill out dude! Spell it any way you want! I was having some fun, as I suspected you were also. Could you point me to my “chest-thumping” comments please?

Trafalgar on February 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Yeah, I saw the gentle poke. Not to mention the fact that you’re right. “Slight” is the proper spelling for the word meaning an act of disrespect.

AJsDaddie on February 23, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Yeah, I saw the gentle poke. Not to mention the fact that you’re right. “Slight” is the proper spelling for the word meaning an act of disrespect.

AJsDaddie on February 23, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Cheers! Some people just don’t have a sense of humor I guess!

Trafalgar on February 23, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Obama to Muslims: I so SOOOORRY, please don’t hurt me. Obama to the Catholic Church: You do as I say, and I don’t care if you have to violate your teachings to do it, let it be written, let it be done.

Beastdogs on February 23, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Obliteration does work.

MouthyMainah on February 23, 2012 at 1:56 PM

+100!

RadioAngel on February 23, 2012 at 2:16 PM

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