Downer debate denouement winner: Newt
posted at 8:40 am on February 23, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
Perhaps it’s fitting that the last debate of the season — we all hope and pray — ended up in the hands of the one candidate who mastered the format during the entire cycle. Newt Gingrich learned his lesson in Florida that his formula for debates was what worked, and that means staying positive, remaining “cheerful” rather than angry, and attacking only Barack Obama and the media. That formula allowed Gingrich to mostly steer clear of the internecine arguments that cropped up between Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney, and Ron Paul, while speaking at length to the little in substance that actually came up at the depressingly repetitive debate.
That’s the trouble with holding 20 debates; they tend to look like repeats. The only topic of actual substance for the 2012 cycle that got discussed at any length was Iran, and it was a replay of the 15 or so arguments between Ron Paul and everyone else. Otherwise, the debate mainly focused on what everyone else has said about each other, and who voted for what in 1992 or 2001 or 2006. No one discussed Fast and Furious, no mention was made of Solyndra or LightSquared as examples of corruption in the current administration. Bare mention was made of anyone’s economic plans.
Some of the review was rather fresh, though, since this was Rick Santorum’s first debate as a solid frontrunner. Unfortunately Santorum seemed almost overprepared for the fight. Instead of providing a brief response and refocusing attention on current issues like the economy, Santorum kept explaining, and explaining, and explaining, and added an apology or two along the way. There is an axiom in politics: Explaining is not winning. Save the explanations for your web page, not for debates. Santorum came across as measured, honest, and open, but ended up sounding defensive almost all night long.
Mitt Romney didn’t do much better. While he scored points against Santorum, he had to twist himself in knots to do it. Santorum pointed out, for instance, that while Romney attacked him on earmarks as wasteful spending, Romney balanced his RomneyCare budget on the backs of federal taxpayers to the tune of $400 million, and that Romney certainly liked earmarks enough to ask Congress for a few during his Olympics rescue. This led to the odd e-mail moment when I received simultaneously a message from Team Mitt blasting Santorum over earmarks and another praising Romney for his rescue of the Olympics, which was only possible through Congressional intervention Mitt was busily condemning at the moment I received it. It fell to Gingrich, though, to concisely slap Romney by noting that his position seemed to be that Romney opposed earmarks he didn’t like but supported the earmarks that he himself got. Romney never got around to discussing his new tax plan in any detail (about which I’ll be writing later today), and ended up on the defensive himself a few times, especially on RomneyCare. He seemed almost desperate to get into a fight with Santorum all night long, and desperation is as much a political aphrodisiac as explaining is.
Ron Paul joined in the attack on Santorum, which prompted Santorum to imply that Paul and Romney are colluding to some degree:
Rick Santorum suspects something is up between Mitt Romney and Ron Paul. Santorum had a tough night at the 20th, and likely last, Republican debate, held here at the Mesa Arts Center. He took a lot of attacks from Romney and a few from Paul, and he noticed that Paul and Romney didn’t seem to go after each other. When it was all over, and Santorum met reporters, he didn’t try to hide what he was thinking.
“You have to ask Congressman Paul and Gov. Romney what they’ve got going together,” Santorum said. “Their commercials look a lot alike, and so do their attacks.”
“They’ve got something going on?” a reporter asked Santorum.
“You tell me,” Santorum said.
Er … no. Paul was simply Paul last night, attacking Santorum on all of the normal issues on which Paul would attack. There are two facts to keep in mind. First, Santorum got the brunt of the attacks because Santorum is the front runner. He also ended up with the most air time last night for the same reason. Second, it was Santorum who attacked Paul a lot in the earlier debates over Paul’s position on Iran, and who scored a lot of points on those attacks, showing Paul to be on the fringe when it comes to foreign policy. Last night was Paul’s chance for some payback, and it doesn’t take collusion to explain what happened in the debate.
Does this debate move the needle for anyone? I doubt it. Gingrich had a very good debate but not a real gamechanger, and his position in the polling has dropped so low nearly everywhere that he’d practically need the other three men on stage to declare themselves Kennedy Democrats in order to get out of that hole. Santorum may have rattled the confidence of some new supporters and give undecideds less reason to join his column, but it wasn’t a terrible performance such as Rick Perry’s debates in September and October, and Santorum did have some good moments as well. Romney spent the night attacking his opponents (mainly Santorum but also Gingrich on a couple of occasions) rather than talking about himself, which is exactly the complaint that Republican voters have had about his entire campaign. His line, “I don’t mean to be critical,” was a laugh line for all the wrong reasons, and it encapsulates Romney’s insincerity about his campaign style in six easy words.
All in all, this was a depressing and mostly useless debate. Byron York sums it up well:
After all the recent controversy, who would have bet that the topic of contraception would not come up until well into the debate, that Santorum would answer it with restraint and grace, and that Romney would immediately adopt Santorum’s position as his own? It wasn’t at all likely, but it happened. And it was one of the best moments in a debate that had very few really good moments.
Let’s hope it’s the last of the debate moments, too.
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FATSO!
KOOLAID2 on May 7, 2013 at 8:01 PM
msdnc LOVES christie…calls him the popular governor (yeah, in their bubble)
cmsinaz on May 7, 2013 at 8:03 PM
I don’t car about his weight. I do care that he is a RINO who virtually handed victory to Barack Obama.
maddmatt on May 7, 2013 at 8:05 PM
Sheesh…can’t believe this is a big news story.
Don’t care about his weight-don’t believe in making fun of other people’s bodies…not how I was raised.
I just don’t care for him politically.
Dr. ZhivBlago on May 7, 2013 at 8:08 PM
It’s his personality.
When someone is that obese, if there are no underlying physical reasons, then there are some emotional reasons fueling his food addiction. A lap band won’t solve it. They’ll just be displaced to another area of his life.
INC on May 7, 2013 at 8:09 PM
Yawn, Who???
OmahaConservative on May 7, 2013 at 8:09 PM
I’m sure Mika still won’t vote for the Fat Man.
Lance Murdock on May 7, 2013 at 8:10 PM
Who knows.
But..
Christy can get closer to Bruce Springsteen.
Maybe close enough for a kiss.
Electrongod on May 7, 2013 at 8:10 PM
He can’t shed the RINO label because he is one. He needs to embrace that. Continue to flirt with the rat-eared coward . Show up with the despicable shaved Yeti at “let’s move!” events. Become the best damn Governor of NJ he can be because he will not win the hearts and minds of Republicans.
Happy Nomad on May 7, 2013 at 8:10 PM
Eff Off, Chris Christie.
ladyingray on May 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM
If he had dieted and worked out to lose weight, it would have been admirable. Instead, the guy admits he has no willpower and no self control and had to sequester his gut.
myrenovations on May 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM
I thought we couldn’t call people fat anymore?
‘Density Challenged’ – isn’t that the propose Newspeak term?
catmman on May 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM
Self Gravity.
Electrongod on May 7, 2013 at 8:14 PM
The part that makes me convinced I could never vote for the bastard is that he was on that beach practically french kissing the rat-eared coward and definitely endorsing him for a second term.
And then he turns around and gets mad that Republicans are “critical.” Eff him. He is a worthless traitor who, at best, adds an R to the number of GOP governors.
Happy Nomad on May 7, 2013 at 8:15 PM
He is dead to me.
Curtiss on May 7, 2013 at 8:17 PM
That is not entirely fair. But there is no evidence that Christie actually tried to diet or exercise either. You can only burn so many calories yelling at people and letting the inner angry person to the surface of the jolly fat guy.
Happy Nomad on May 7, 2013 at 8:17 PM
Don’t care if he is a porker.
A Lib in a red elephant suit..yeah.
bazil9 on May 7, 2013 at 8:22 PM
He does have gravitas.
msupertas on May 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM
Missouri has a university?
And they elected Senator McCaskill?
IlikedAUH2O on May 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM
He’s going to switch parties and run as a Donk.
He needs the low-info vote, so what better way than a tummy tuck?
Bruno Strozek on May 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM
Exactly why I would not vote for him in the primaries.
sage0925 on May 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM
Go ahead and nominate him in 2016, GOP. I dare ya! If Christie gets the party’s nod, I won’t be voting for president in that election. That’ll be the first time in my more than half-century life. I am very serious about using my right to vote. I always vote. I always hold my nose and step up for whichever spineless weathervane the party nominates. But there is no way on God’s green earth that putrid pile of Obama-hugging liberal puss will get my hand on the lever. No way in hell. Really, GOP. I wouldn’t go there.
Rational Thought on May 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM
Amen. I have more respect for a straight D than some of the R’s we have been putting at the top.
IlikedAUH2O on May 7, 2013 at 8:31 PM
Who invited him to speak at the Reagan Library?
tom daschle concerned on May 7, 2013 at 8:35 PM
The sad part of this story is that Christie has reportedly already lost 40 pounds.
And nobody noticed.
AZCoyote on May 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM
AZCoyote on May 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM
Lol, I was gonna ask how and where from and stuff… thanks, now I don’t need to!
Scrumpy on May 7, 2013 at 8:39 PM
Once a Fat Pig! ALWAYS…A FAT F’N PIG! his piece of shitzz is a GIANT piece of Shitzz!
Tbone McGraw on May 7, 2013 at 8:39 PM
“I thought we couldn’t call people fat anymore?”
He’s still a registered Republican, so you can call him fat.
NCC on May 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM
The obvious slogan is “Cut the Fat!”, except that we were watching Gov. Christie when that issue WAS the issue on Sandy relief.
CitizenEgg on May 7, 2013 at 8:45 PM
It’s not fair to call it “weight-loss” when you get the fat sucked out of you by a tube. It couldn’t possibly hurt Christie’s chances any more than he himself has, unless he chose Huckabee- another “fat-tuber”.
For any future fat-sucking tube operations, I would recommend Christie have them performed by “Dr” Kermit Gosnell.
sartana on May 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM
Christie’s weight can probably vary that much through a day, like yours and mine can vary 2 lbs. His morning dump is probably 20 lbs alone.
slickwillie2001 on May 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM
I am happy for him that he chose to take a step to deal with his weight. His family will reap the benefits of that.
As for 2016. No. Stay in NJ please.
can_con on May 7, 2013 at 8:51 PM
Da Bears! Thanks AP, you brought back some fond memories with that one.
can_con on May 7, 2013 at 8:57 PM
St Louis and KC elected that loser
booger71 on May 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM
That tells you all you need to know right there. They loved them some McCain and Romney too. Until they became the candidate, then they were the devil incarnate.
AZfederalist on May 7, 2013 at 9:11 PM
He could slim down to Chuck Heston trim, he ain’t gettin’ any Conservative votes.
He could slim down to Jane Fu**in’ Fonda, he ain’t gettin’ any Liberal votes.
If he really wants to go national … well, he might as well roadie for Bruce Springsteen.
M240H on May 7, 2013 at 9:17 PM
meh
ctmom on May 7, 2013 at 9:19 PM
Christie being Christie should backfire on him. I won’t vote should he be the nominee.
jawkneemusic on May 7, 2013 at 9:37 PM
Eh, he’ll always be fat to me.
ElectricPhase on May 7, 2013 at 9:37 PM
Let me have men about me that are fat:
Sleek-headed men, and such as sleep a-nights.
Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look.
He thinks too much. Such men are dangerous.
Tzetzes on May 7, 2013 at 9:50 PM
BFD….I still won’t vote for him-
hawkman on May 7, 2013 at 10:08 PM
I don’t even want to discuss another Northeastern Republican, let alone one with Gov. Christie’s views. And what the firetruck is wrong with Ann Coulter?
Cindy Munford on May 7, 2013 at 10:09 PM
I see Mark Levin’s audience is populating the comment section again. Plus, moron Cindy Munford, there’s literally millions of “Northeastern” Republicans and Conservatives. It’s fairly stupid to marginalize people who agree with you 90 percent of the time. Then again, you’re no MENSA member.
AYNBLAND on May 7, 2013 at 10:29 PM
What does Christie being a gun grabber and expanding Medicaid under ObamaCare have to do with Levin? He doesn’t agree with us on 90% of the issues, if he did he would be governor of a failed leftist state.
jawkneemusic on May 7, 2013 at 10:34 PM
Now just because Christie is a corpulent, gluttonous, morbidly obese, barge load of gelatinous gunk is no reason to be mean and call him an elephant.
SparkPlug on May 7, 2013 at 10:36 PM
Im in Jersey and I will absolutely never vote for this guy again for ANY office.
lostinjrz on May 7, 2013 at 10:39 PM
A gun grabber? Who do you think runs the legislature in NJ. Plus, Kasich took the ACA money, is he a RINO? Yeah, you probably think he is. You’re as brainwashed as a Daily Kos kid. Reagan would have been a RINO to you talk radio sycophants
AYNBLAND on May 7, 2013 at 10:40 PM
Suck it, arizonian. I can’t even begin to describe the craziness that was the 2012 senatorial here, it was in no way ordinary.
And that was a UMKC namecheck, TYFM. Go roos.
alwaysfiredup on May 7, 2013 at 10:44 PM
Fool, he’s the one who pushed for more restrictive guns laws in NJ. He endorsed them. Btw, I noticed you avoided his endorsement of ObamaCare. You’re just as big a fraud as he is.
jawkneemusic on May 7, 2013 at 10:48 PM
This is rich coming from the moron who attacked Levin. Levin worked for Reagan, Levjn doesn’t consider him a RINO idiot.
jawkneemusic on May 7, 2013 at 10:50 PM
I would have continued to hold back the information and see how long it took the press to catch on….
2nd Ammendment Mother on May 7, 2013 at 10:50 PM
Dear MENSA member,
Cindy Munford has not marginalized millions of “Northeastern” Republicans and Conservatives.
SparkPlug on May 7, 2013 at 10:54 PM
Coulter is a fraud. A very insecure fraud who craves attention.
SparkPlug on May 7, 2013 at 10:56 PM
That’s nice. You almost always elect Democrats and give your EVs to Democrats, though, and the Republicans you elect are constant disappointments. So you’re not that important to the party or the Republicans in office. You really should learn that.
alwaysfiredup on May 7, 2013 at 10:58 PM
She has a crush on Christie. She’s done a full Romney on him.
alwaysfiredup on May 7, 2013 at 10:59 PM
If the surgery works, who will play Dyspeptic Santa in the Winter Pageant??
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 7, 2013 at 11:10 PM
As a human being, his health will be better off.
johnnyU on May 7, 2013 at 11:12 PM
Obesity and high stress level jobs with long working hours do not mix. He either loses a couple hundred pounds now or he’ll lose it underground.
OxyCon on May 7, 2013 at 11:41 PM
Christie is depressing because he had the talent to be so much to America and decided to be a complete suck up…
Power can go to people’s head…
That is why George Washington is always going to be respected no matter how much progressives try to dump on him. He had a chance to be king, or a military dictator, and refused…
Very rare thing in history.
William Eaton on May 8, 2013 at 1:10 AM
First a lap band then a lap dance.
profitsbeard on May 8, 2013 at 4:01 AM
I can’t stand Christie. I will never, ever vote for him in a primary
bluegill on May 8, 2013 at 5:40 AM
People that overweight tend to be extremely sensitive about it, even (especially?) when they’re working to correct the problem. And let’s face it, Christie is not known for keeping his cool.
As for the rest of the article, it’s pretty silly. As is mentioned, his center-left views on many issues will be his undoing, not his weight. Second, he’s still going to be a big guy. Let’s say he loses 150 pounds. You could even be generous and up that number to 200. It’s probably not going to be more than that.
My guess is that still puts him in the 200-250 pound range. Not exactly a lightweight.
Chris of Rights on May 8, 2013 at 8:05 AM
Nothing that hasn’t been wrong with her for years.
Chris of Rights on May 8, 2013 at 8:07 AM
His schtick ran out for me the day he shrieked at the Iraq war veteran “I’m the governor and you’re an idiot”
NHElle on May 8, 2013 at 9:42 AM
a Rino trapped in a fat mans body longing to be free. He is in the toilet along with Coulter’s credibility.
jomondo44 on May 9, 2013 at 7:59 AM