Video: Tough night for Santorum

posted at 10:23 pm on February 22, 2012 by Allahpundit

Three clips for you of RS on the defensive at the debate in lieu of a Quote of the Day. First, the obligatory earmark colloquy with Romney, then the attack on his support for Arlen Specter (via BuzzFeed), and finally his cringeworthy admission that he took one for the team in voting for No Child Left Behind (via Breitbart TV). Reaction on Twitter and on righty blogs that I read was that he lost some traction tonight from having to explain himself so often. Per Nate Silver, InTrade apparently agrees: Santorum started the day with 13 percent odds of winning the nomination, but as I write this, he’s down to just 6.2 percent — a 53.7 percent drop. The consensus is that Newt had a good night too, albeit without any spectacular moments, which magnifies Santorum’s problem by threatening to pull away some of the conservative votes he desperately needs to inch past Romney in Michigan.

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smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Thank you for your service to our country. God bless and keep you.

There are a few original HotAir members here, like ajacksonian, who occasionally return to post something brilliant. I return to scan through what’s happening. But since Bryan Preston left, this site has intensified as a neoconservative propaganda rag. Recall, recently, that Ed made the word “revolution” taboo, impugning any historical reference to our Revolutionary War, the French Revolution, hence all things relevant to political orientation of concepts, basic vocabulary revised as verboten.

As for csd, we pegged him as no more than a 19-year-old Mormon Missionary posting late night touting Romney ’08 primary build-up and swearing like a punk. Depending on which month, his identity would alter. He’d present himself as a middle aged married man with teenaged kids, preaching parenting skills here. Sick. Later, when HotAir opened registration, he’d sign-up under various names. But as you noted, he can’t keep himself from publicly stroking his own wank singing ode to ego.

maverick muse on February 23, 2012 at 9:16 AM

I know you’re no Santorum fan, but what did you think about the Specter endorsement/SCOTUS rationale from him? Will the specter of that episode continue to haunt Santorum? Heh.

cynccook on February 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM

It won’t win him any points in Penn State, would be my guess. Then again, he lost last time he ran for Senator, so there’s, I believe, a high chance that even if he is the nominee, he won’t win his home state…which is practically a guarantee he will lose the general.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Well, the tinfoil hat brigade is up and at em again. What’s wrong, did your grammies make you get up early to make sure you took care of your personal hygiene for the week?

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 9:21 AM

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Upset that you’re busted, huh?

Kleenex?

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 9:25 AM

maverick muse on February 23, 2012 at 9:16 AM

I’m not all that familiar with the history of Hot Air. I just know there were commenters that me and my crew would read and get a kick out of and agree with. Madison Conservative was one of them. Cindy Mumford was always great to read because she is so intelligent and polite to everyone she talks to. It’s kind on embarrassing being part of the last registration though. I think I’ll be reading a few of the blogs people link to here also.

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 9:26 AM

maverick muse on February 23, 2012 at 9:16 AM

hahahahaha

1) Bryon Preston is weak sauce.
2) I am a bit concerned for your mental health. Do you think it wise to spend the last 4 years obsessing on little old csdeven?
3) Perhaps if you whined like a little 8itch just a bit louder, you could repair your bruised ego?

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 9:27 AM

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 9:25 AM

You should probably put some 3-in-1 on the propeller of your tinfoil beanie so it doesn’t break.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Bwahahahaha, csd. Busted.

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Ann Coulter ably justifies her support for Romney.

Some excerpts.

In 2008, Romney was enthusiastically supported not only by Limbaugh and Levin, but also by Sean Hannity, Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage and many others who now seem to view Romney as a closet liberal. This is especially baffling because there is no liberal candidate in the Republican primary this year.

Just four years ago, one Republican candidate for president was avowedly pro-abortion (Rudy Giuliani). One had opposed Clinton’s impeachment and tort reform (Fred Thompson). One supported amnesty for illegals, restrictions on core First Amendment speech, federal laws to combat nonexistent global warming, and opposed Guantanamo and the Bush tax cuts (“tax cuts for the rich!”) and called waterboarding “torture.”

That last one was our nominee: John McCain.

This year, every Republican candidate for president opposes abortion, promises to repeal Obamacare, opposes raising taxes, and on and on. Only one candidate is strong on illegal immigration, which is second only to repealing Obamacare as the most important issue facing the nation.

That’s the alleged liberal, Mitt Romney.

This strange new version of right-wing populism comes down to reveling in the feeling that you are being dissed, hoodwinked or manipulated by the Establishment (most of which happens to oppose Romney) the same way liberals want to believe that “the rich,” the “right-wing media” and Wall Street Republicans (there are three) are victimizing them.

It’s as if scoring points in intra-Republican squabbles is more important than beating Obama. Instead of talking about the candidates’ positions — which would be confusing inasmuch as Romney is the most conservative of the four remaining candidates — the only issue seems to be whether “They” are showing respect for “Us.”

The obsession with sticking it to the Establishment (which includes Christine O’Donnell, but excludes Bill Kristol) by voting for a loose cannon demagogue or a crusading Catholic who can’t seem to move the conversation past contraception is as pie-in-the-sky delusional as anything dished by Democrats carrying on about “green jobs.”

Similarly, if reducing contraception use, lobbying for Freddie Mac and promoting huge government programs such as moon colonies and No Child Left Behind are the best ways to create jobs, then it could be true that Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum are our strongest candidates in a general election.

We’re being asked to hand Obama another four years in the White House in order to “send a message.” To whom? And what message? That we’re morons? Message received!

Meanwhile, Romney cheerfully campaigns on, the biggest outsider and most conservative candidate we’ve run for president since Reagan, while being denounced by the Establishment as “too Establishment.”

Basilsbest on February 23, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Basilsbest on February 23, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Already refuted.

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Kingjester, it got confused here which one it was posting as.First, it’s a secular nonbeliever to prove one point.

Sometimes I wish I had my own faith that I could make jokes about. Unfortunately I am limited to Einstein and Chuck Norris jokes. ;-)

csdeven on February 22, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Here it’s found religion about an hour later conveniently to try to prove another point.

I am a believer and I make the best and most of my time here. I took no offense. I guess those who purposely try to live a horrid existence as a condition of believing might take offense. But then they’re clearly determined to be miserable…so who cares.

csdeven on February 22, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Lol

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 9:34 AM

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Consistency.

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 9:36 AM

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Cindy Munford is the classiest woman on HA(no disrespect to the rest), bar none.

csdeven seems to be her photo negative.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 9:37 AM

He’s officially in the tank for Romney. In 14 years of reading Drudge nearly everyday I’ve NEVER seen more pro- one politician bias than for Mitt.

Breathtaking.

PappyD61 on February 23, 2012 at 7:00 AM

I’d say it’s pretty obvious he’s a Paul supporter.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 9:39 AM

It won’t win him any points in Penn State, would be my guess. Then again, he lost last time he ran for Senator, so there’s, I believe, a high chance that even if he is the nominee, he won’t win his home state…which is practically a guarantee he will lose the general.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Well, he lost his late election because he was running against Casey, whose dad was a popular (and pro-life) governor, plus Casey the son claimed to be pro-life, too (which turned to be a lie).

Ward Cleaver on February 23, 2012 at 9:39 AM

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 9:37 AM

She really is.

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 9:40 AM

As much as I like Santorum, I didn’t like his supporting Specter over Toomey in ’04. His support could have put Toomey, another pro-life conservative, in the Senate back then. Instead, he had to wait another six years.

Ward Cleaver on February 23, 2012 at 9:41 AM

But I think I’ll try to keep her and csdeven/bluegill out of the same comments. Seems insulting to even mention her with one of them.

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Evolution is not science. Just theory.

listens2glenn on February 23, 2012 at 7:51 AM

Wow.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 9:43 AM

No, I just sent the Senator a private text. Didn’t think a public apology was necessary.

bluegill on February 23, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Since you made the accusation on a public forum, wouldn’t the polite thing to do is apologize on a public forum and admit that you were wrong?

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Well bluegill, since it appears you’ve gone to hide under your pond rock again, let me just say, you might go a long way to proving you’re not just a bought and paid for keyboard commando by offering a public apology and admitting you were wrong to call Senator Santorum “stupid”, when in fact it was you who acted stupidly.

But acting like a rational adult doesn’t seem to be one of your traits, so I’ll just post this to show everyone how wrong you were.

KING: Gentlemen, it’s good to see you again.

Let’s get started on the important issues with a question from our audience.

Sir, please tell us who you are and state your question.

(UNKNOWN): My name is Gilbert Fidler (ph) from Gilbert, Arizona, and I’d like to ask this question to all the candidates if I could.

Since the first time in 65 years our national debt exceeds our gross national product, what are you going to do to bring down the debt?

KING: Thank you, sir.

Senator Santorum, let’s begin with you.

SANTORUM: Thank you, Gilbert.

The voter’s name isn’t Gilbert. He was from Gilbert. Santorum is stupid.

bluegill on February 22, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 9:44 AM

I think csdeven has power of attorney to answer for him. Maybe he can take care of it.

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 9:49 AM

In 2008, Romney was enthusiastically supported not only by Limbaugh and Levin, but also by Sean Hannity, Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage and many others who now seem to view Romney as a closet liberal. This is especially baffling because there is no liberal candidate in the Republican primary this year.

Sure there is Ann.

His name is Rick Santorum.

JohnGalt23 on February 23, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Evolution is not science. Just theory.

listens2glenn on February 23, 2012 at 7:51 AM

Wow.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 9:43 AM

He has a valid point upon which to stand. A cornerstone of good “science” is testability and falsifiability of hypotheses.

How does one falsify the assumptions behind evolution?

JohnGalt23 on February 23, 2012 at 10:00 AM

This is especially baffling because there is no liberal candidate in the Republican primary this year.

There are three liberal candidates in the Republican primary.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 10:01 AM

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Your psychobabble only impresses your fellow lunatics.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:02 AM

I wonder if Rick could be more any more intellectually dishonest about the earmark process. As someone who formerly worked in appropriations in the U.S. Senate, I can tell you that his account is, at best, a gross, gross misrepresentation and, at worst, a bald-faced lie.

lawya on February 23, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Your psychobabble only impresses your fellow lunatics.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Still busted, bluegill. LOL. Kleenex?

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Why do you whine so much?

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:06 AM

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 10:05 AM

You need more layers on your tinfoil hat you troll!

rotflmao!

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Why do you whine so much?

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:06 AM

LOL!!!!

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 10:11 AM

There are three liberal candidates in the Republican primary.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 10:01 AM

And one illegal alien-pandering, anti-Israel crank.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:13 AM

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM

LOL! You’re still busted, bluegill! LOL!

Now, swap your name on your server, and attack me as bluegill for a while.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Seriously….I expect the whining from idiot spammers and conspiracy nuts, but you used to stick to the topics rather than focus on individual members of HA. All it does is highjack threads away from the topic.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:15 AM

LOL!!!!

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 10:11 AM

You’re pondering the world of pots and kettles aren’t Flora Duh?

You really zinged it with the transcript.

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 10:15 AM

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 10:13 AM

You’re projecting you spamming troll.

lol

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:16 AM

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Once again…when you’re calling everyone crazy, but everyone is calling you bugs**t f**king crackers, chances are that you’re just bugs**t f**king crackers.

Which you are.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:19 AM

All it does is highjack threads away from the topic.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:15 AM

This is comedy gold. I don’t care who you are, this is weapons grade facepalm here.

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 10:19 AM

I thought what Santorum did was unique.

The others pretend that the blemishes on their records weren’t really that bad, or excused their blunders with a “that’s not a bug, that’s a feature” defense (see RomneyCare). (And then there’s Ron Paul, who’s never done anything of consequence and somehow trumpets that as his accomplishment.)

Santorum’s got his issues, but he came clean last night in a way that I thought was honorable.

shinty on February 23, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Tough night for Allahpundit.

Why is it “cringeworthy” to admit you’ve made a mistake with a vote??? Every politician has plenty of mistakes, but hardly any of them ever own up to it.

Too bad Mittens doesn’t have the courage to do the same with Romneycare.

If anyone writes Santorum off due to his answer on NCLB then they are part of the problem. We need more politicians like him who are honest enough to admit their mistakes, not sugarcoat it with spin and talking points.

Let’s be honest here, Allah has been for Mittens all along. The fact that he implemeneted the worst state program in the history of the country for healthcare is enough to disqualify Mittens in itself.

LevinFan on February 23, 2012 at 10:20 AM

All it does is highjack threads away from the topic.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:15 AM

That’s all you f**king do on this website, you goddamned lunatic.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:21 AM

You’re projecting you spamming troll.

lol

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:16 AM

How old are you, bluegill? 14?

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 10:22 AM

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Awwwww…..wadda madder widdle madcon? Did the mean old meanie csdeven make your tummy hurt?

Bwahahahahahaha!!! Go take a Tums or something you whiny little 8itch.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:23 AM

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 10:22 AM

We know you are a 45 year old pimple face geek living in his grammy’s basement. Did your grammy make sure you took care of your hygiene issues for the week?

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:25 AM

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:23 AM

I don’t think you have any place to whine, given that you’ve cowardly hidden behind your supposed children who served in the military. “I’m a mother of a soldier! You can’t say that to me!”

How do you live having behaved like that?

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:26 AM

And one illegal alien-pandering, anti-Israel crank.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Why must you lie? Paul does not pander to illegals nor is he anti-Israel. He is the most pro-Israel candidate in the race.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Why is it “cringeworthy” to admit you’ve made a mistake with a vote??? Every politician has plenty of mistakes, but hardly any of them ever own up to it.

Too bad Mittens doesn’t have the courage to do the same with Romneycare.

If anyone writes Santorum off due to his answer on NCLB then they are part of the problem. We need more politicians like him who are honest enough to admit their mistakes, not sugarcoat it with spin and talking points.

LevinFan on February 23, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Bold copy above is just exactly how I see it as well, LevinFan

shinty on February 23, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Seriously….I expect the whining from idiot spammers and conspiracy nuts, but you used to stick to the topics rather than focus on individual members of HA. All it does is highjack threads away from the topic.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Well, considering the title of this thread is “Tough night for Santorum”, and it’s also in lieu of the regular QOTD, which always seems to go off in different directions, I don’t see how my bringing up that bluegill made a public accusation about Santorum that has been proven to be untrue, is hijacking the thread away from the topic.

Funny thing about the “relationship” between bluegill and myself. I didn’t take kindly to being told…

…come November, you will vote for Romney, and you will like it.

bluegill on January 10, 2012 at 7:48 PM

…and I will always take the opportunity to let her know it, one way or the other.

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 10:28 AM

That’s all you f**king do on this website, you goddamned lunatic.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Poor, poor, widdle madcon! Go cry to your grammy and I’m sure she’ll make you some warm milk and cookies for your widdle tum-tum ache.

hahahahahaha

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:28 AM

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Well, it told you. Are u feeling like it will be impossible to blog here now after being p’wned like that (sarc)

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 10:28 AM

I didn’t catch that this was in lieu of the QOTD.

Carry on.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Why must you lie about Paul comparing the rejection of illegal aliens to the treatment of Jews by Nazi Germany, f**kbag?

At a senior center in East Las Vegas, the Texas congressman told about 100 Hispanics that they have been unfairly made “scapegoats” for the country’s economic troubles. He said it’s “part of human nature” for newcomers to be shunned, but that prejudice toward outsiders worsens when unemployment is high. He said that illegal immigrants were being scapegoated in a manner similar to Jews in Nazi Germany because of tough economic times.

I’m not even going to argue the Israel issue if you’re going to claim he’s pro-Israel while claiming they’re a terrorist nation operation concentration camps.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:33 AM

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:33 AM

operating concentration camps.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:36 AM

“I’m a mother of a soldier! You can’t say that to me!”

How do you live having behaved like that?

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:26 AM

1) Considering you collect hundreds of quotes from dozens and dozens of your fellow HA members, you could link those quotes.
2) Behaving like what?
3) You are whining like a little 8itch. How do you live with yourself?
4) Every time you leave a comment discussing csdeven, you contribute to the thread jacking.
5) Stop crying.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Santorum owned up to his mistakes, saying, in effect, “I blew it, in this case I did the ‘team player’ thing.”

The gist of Paul’s response – “Look, he blew it! He did the ‘team player’ thing! How stupid!”

Well, wasn’t that already Santorum’s point?

Meanwhile, the lib Romney is again surging in the polls, and Paul is again targeting the more conservative Santorum. Classic Paul, yes, but gee, this is discouraging…

shinty on February 23, 2012 at 10:38 AM

When I went to bed last night there were only three pages of this thread. Now. . .

As usual, I see it’s degenerated into name-calling. Increasingly typical of this site, it seems.

Anyway, I thought this was important:

. . . Current Science czar John Holdren was also an advisor to Romney. Would he be cleaning out his office? Just want to know.

Has he changed his postion on global warming? This IS going to come up because he has made definitive statements about it.

I want full disclosure. If I have to pull the lever for this guy, I want to know. Will we have to fight another cap-n-trade battle? Finacially I would say no, but would he be able to pull some environmental votes with his record in the general election? I want to know that now.

InWyoVeritas on February 23, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Back in 2008 I sent Gov. Romney a letter detailing the argument against the CAGW movement, suggesting he take the lead in opposing Crap-and-Tax. I never received a response, not even from a lowly staffer.

The only current candidate who has declared CAGW to be a hoax is Rick Santorum (the other Rick did, too, but he’s no longer a candidate). This is a vitally important matter, if we are to get the Luddites and Marxists out of the White House and the ‘science’ agencies, like the EPA, and that is essential if we are going to get back on the path of growth and progress. ‘Progress’ is a dirty word to the Left.

So far, Mitt has done nothing but waffle on the issue. It’s a serious disqualification for me, along with his general inability to, as Charles Krauthammer said, “speak conservative.”

MrLynn on February 23, 2012 at 10:38 AM

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:26 AM

I didn’t know that. Maverick Muse was saying that the commenters here thought he was a 19 year old kid during the last elections. That would make him close to my age. What do you think he is if you don’t might me asking.

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 10:41 AM

We know you are a 45 year old pimple face geek living in his grammy’s basement. Did your grammy make sure you took care of your hygiene issues for the week?

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Not even close. But, my 4 year old grandson does call me, “Grandpa”.

Now, go back to your written delusions. But, hurry up. The nurses should be back for making their rounds any minute now.

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 10:42 AM

We know you are a 45 year old pimple face geek living in his grammy’s basement. Did your grammy make sure you took care of your hygiene issues for the week?

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Not even close. But, my 4 year old grandson does call me, “Grandpa”.

Now, go back to your written delusions. But, hurry up. The nurses should be back from making their rounds any minute now.

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 10:42 AM

It double posted me. Sorry about that.

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 10:43 AM

There may something to this. Mark Levin was talking just last night on his radio show about an interview given by Paul within the last few days and comments made by his son, Rand, to the effect that Paul is not attacking Romney because Rand wants the vice-presidency. I guess Rand has even said as much. Don’t know if there is anything to it, but I would like to hear more.

KickandSwimMom on February 23, 2012 at 7:56 AM

Mark Levin became a crazy conspirationist hack who can’t leave the tin foil off his head.

Maybe Paul attacked Santorum because he was the frontrunner and his record in Washington is almost the polar opposite of Paul’s in fiscal, economic and labor issues?

joana on February 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM

There’s no establishment. Primaries killed it. There are activists at state level who spend some time organizing caucus and small fundraisers and recruiting candidates to run tough to win state legislature seats – with no gain for themselves. There are the sycophants in the DC think-tanks and congressional staffs that are dependent on the elected officials, not any fictional “party establishment”. There’s the RNC, which is basically a fundraising operation lead by one of those grassroots activists.

They don’t have real power to influence anything.

“Raging against the establishment” was the progressive motto in the 60s. Running against the smoke-filled rooms. They got it: the primary system send all those things to the dustbean of history. Now, what you need is name recognition, money and charisma. You need to convince voters, not “establishment”. It’s bizarre to see the progressives motto of the past becoming popular amongst conservatives – especially ones that became anachronic.

joana on February 23, 2012 at 1:55 AM

right…..

so you don’t believe there is any such thing as an entrenched good ol boy network of moderates/classic liberals (I have other names, but I’m working on my profanity), who try to nudge policy in their preffered direction?

It seems self evident to most, there is always an entrenched power class.

This one, by whatever name, is grovelingly fond of GHW Bush, Ford, Jim Baker, style middle of the road types who won’t touch social issues unless it’s in support of the democrats…

The ones who fought Reagan tooth and claw for control of the party.

It wasn’t that long ago, and I vividly remember some of the party fights,

You’re saying,..

essentially, the opposition to the conservative base, doesn’t exist?

so who exactly, is supporting the Romney campaign, if not the old guard? It’s clearly not the conservative base, not most of it anyway.

Your comment doesn’t seem to match what we see happening all around us.

mark81150 on February 23, 2012 at 2:48 AM

No, you’re paranoid and a conspiracy theorist.

In 1980, Reagan would be the establishment if there was one. He had all the endorsements from most elected officials in Washington. They weren’t even planning to campaign in the primary. Bush was an insurgent nobody cared about till he surprisingly won Iowa.

Romney has more votes than anyone else and by far. Read the exit polls instead of being an ignorant conspiracy theorist.

joana on February 23, 2012 at 10:57 AM

I presume you got that piece of demagogury from the same Huff po article which poped up on google when I looked up your nasty little smear.

they did note this..

That Santorum evolved from someone with pro-choice leanings into a hard-lined pro-lifer is not unique. Many Republicans and even some Democrats have made a similar evolution over the course of their political histories. Included on that list is Mitt Romney, the man Santorum is now competing with for the Republican presidential nomination.

so does Romney sound like a faith healer too when he discusses abortion?.. since he too came to the light… many years after Rick did..

If you’re going to slam a guy for changing to pro-life as a cynical act…

you might wanna check to see if Romney could be elegible for that same comment.

mark81150 on February 23, 2012 at 4:00 AM

Oh, but I’m not the one pretending Santorum and Romney are any different in terms of flip-flopping. You are. To me, they’re just the same. You’re the one who needs to check the premises you’re using.

Unlike you, I never read the Huffington Post. The info on Santorum’s flip-flop on abortion has been well-known for years except for the crazy who get their information from AM talk-shows.

joana on February 23, 2012 at 11:00 AM

It double posted me. Sorry about that.

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 10:43 AM

You’re using too many computers at the same time again…..Why do you keep making that mistake?

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 11:00 AM

There may something to this. Mark Levin was talking just last night on his radio show about an interview given by Paul within the last few days and comments made by his son, Rand, to the effect that Paul is not attacking Romney because Rand wants the vice-presidency. I guess Rand has even said as much. Don’t know if there is anything to it, but I would like to hear more.

KickandSwimMom on February 23, 2012 at 7:56 AM

I don’t listen to Levin so I don’t know what he said about Senator Paul, but this just came through my Twitter stream.

Rand Paul Says ‘It Would Be An Honor’ if Romney Asked Him to Be VP

by Kenny Colston on February 22, 2012

Kentucky’s junior senator says it would be an honor to be considered as a possible running mate for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

Senator Rand Paul first discussed his higher aspirations at the beginning of this year. He said he wouldn’t close the door on being a Vice Presidential candidate. After a speech in Louisville today, Paul held that door firmly open, saying he wants to be part of the national debate.

Paul’s name has swirled as a possible pick that would give Romney points with the Tea Party. When asked directly what he would say if Romney made the offer, Paul tried to punt.

“I don’t know if I can answer that question, but I can say it would be an honor to be considered,” he said.

Paul’s father Ron Paul is also running for president, and is reportedly close to Romney. Source

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 11:01 AM

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Swap your names on your server. I want to talk to bluegill, now.

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Why must you lie about Paul comparing the rejection of illegal aliens to the treatment of Jews by Nazi Germany, f**kbag?

As usual, MadisonConservative can’t steer away from personal attacks or vulgarity. Clearly this makes you the winner.

At a senior center in East Las Vegas, the Texas congressman told about 100 Hispanics that they have been unfairly made “scapegoats” for the country’s economic troubles. He said it’s “part of human nature” for newcomers to be shunned, but that prejudice toward outsiders worsens when unemployment is high. He said that illegal immigrants were being scapegoated in a manner similar to Jews in Nazi Germany because of tough economic times.

I’m not even going to argue the Israel issue if you’re going to claim he’s pro-Israel while claiming they’re a terrorist nation operation concentration camps.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:33 AM

I didn’t say anything about Paul’s comparisons; I said he didn’t pander to illegal immigrants. His analogy is correct whether you like it or not.

I wouldn’t argue the Israel issue if I were you, either.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:04 AM

I didn’t know that. Maverick Muse was saying that the commenters here thought he was a 19 year old kid during the last elections. That would make him close to my age. What do you think he is if you don’t might me asking.

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 10:41 AM

No clue. It’s said it’s both a woman and a man at times, it’s said it has one child in the military, and two. I don’t know. Apart from occasionally using it as a punching bag, I don’t really pay that much attention anymore.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM

(Paul) is the most pro-Israel candidate in the race.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Maybe that’s why Paul will look the other way as Iran goes nuke on Israel..?

shinty on February 23, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Kingjester, I have one more burning question about the politics here if you have the time to try and answer it for me. I have to get to a class then.

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 11:08 AM

I didn’t say anything about Paul’s comparisons; I said he didn’t pander to illegal immigrants.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Yes. And he just told them they were being treated like the Jews in Nazi Germany. If you don’t consider that pandering, you have totally lost touch with reality. Wait, what am I saying? That was established a while ago.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 11:08 AM

In 1980, Reagan would be the establishment if there was one.

joana on February 23, 2012 at 10:57 AM

And in 1976, he wouldn’t have been. Try to keep up.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 11:09 AM

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM

It might just have a hard time keeping it’s characters straight.

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 11:11 AM

operating concentration camps.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Are you under the delusion that Israel runs the Gaza Strip? And let’s look at the quote instead of relying on your usual dishonesty:

“To me I look at it like it’s a concentration camp…” Paul is making an analogy. The Gaza contains a large number of different groups that many countries do not want, including Arab nations. They are a largely displaced population. But to examine what Paul says would require you to use your head instead of resorting to knee-jerk reactions.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:11 AM

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 11:08 AM

However I can help (if I can).

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Paul is making an analogy.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:11 AM

And a poor one. But if Ron Paul took a dump on nationwide television, you, like all the RP supporters I have known both online and in real life, would explain how he was actually making a good point.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Maybe that’s why Paul will look the other way as Iran goes nuke on Israel..?

shinty on February 23, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Israel has a large nuclear arsenal and a navy capable of striking and destroying Iran. Iran is not going to “go nuke” on Israel. Paul has said repeatedly that Israel is capable of defending herself and should be allowed to. If they believe Iran is a threat, then it is their sovereign right to respond to the threat. But having America pull their strings by dangling foreign aid and telling them what they can or can’t do, while supplying their enemies with even more foreign aid, isn’t exactly supporting Israel.

Think, man.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:15 AM

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 11:08 AM

However I can help (if I can).

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Thanks. How many times a day is a broken clock right?

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 11:17 AM

And a poor one. But if Ron Paul took a dump on nationwide television, you, like all the RP supporters I have known both online and in real life, would explain how he was actually making a good point.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Interesting.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Thanks. How many times a day is a broken clock right?

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Providing it’s not digital and says AM and PM, twice.

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Thanks. How many times a day is a broken clock right?

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 11:17 AM

heh. Silly, everybody knows the answer is once. ;-)

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 11:22 AM

LOL.

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 11:23 AM

If by everyone you mean bluegill and csdeven, Flora Duh, you would be right.

Lol.

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Genius X 2.

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 11:27 AM

But I’m going to ask my Small Business Management Professor this afternoon just to be sure.

hawkdriver on February 23, 2012 at 11:29 AM

smoothsailing on February 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM

:-)

Flora Duh on February 23, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Iran is not going to “go nuke” on Israel.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:15 AM

You are aware, Dante, that Iran’s leader has vowed to use nuclear weapons on Israel and the US?

Many (most?) of these radicals embrace martyrdom for their cause, so the deterrent scenario you paint doesn’t apply from my perspective.

Dante, why don’t you quote Paul regarding this topic? “Shinty wants to go to war with all 1.2 billion Muslims!” It would be wrong, but you’d be closer to Paul’s spirit of distortion and appeasement.

shinty on February 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Ya know, you are constantly double posting comments and have a weird obsession with sock puppetry (a type of behavior most people, including me, have no idea how to do). It is curious that you have those two obsessions.

I am watching you to determine if you are in fact projecting your behavior onto others. We already know you are a spammer. You spam Hot Air with stealth links to your simpleton blog and now you claim to be a grandfather, but you behave like a 16 year old Nancy-girl.

Can you explain why a grandfather is obsessed with anonymous people on a blog to the point where you are preoccupied with the sock puppet status of everyone around you? The minute you log on to Hot Air, you either spam the thread, or you start obsessing over individual members. I understand that you want to be important on the interwebs and that is why you spam with links disguised as respectable sites, but why are you obsessed with the people? This isn’t a blog to discuss those who are camped out in your head 24/7/365. It is a political blog and it is completely reasonable and expected that politics is the topic of discussion.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

MadCon is right. You are a lunatic.

It must be difficult being a laughingstock and a pariah, both at the same time.

I feel sorry for you.

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 11:43 AM

“To me I look at it like it’s a concentration camp…” Paul is making an analogy. The Gaza contains a large number of different groups that many countries do not want, including Arab nations. They are a largely displaced population. But to examine what Paul says would require you to use your head instead of resorting to knee-jerk reactions.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:11 AM

To be sure, using the term “concentration camps” and Israel in the same sentence is dumb. But I do not agree that Iran will not attack Israel. I don’t agree with Paul’s theory that we can treat Iran like we treated Russia in respect to nukes.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Again, can you explain why you, as a grandfather are obsessed with an anonymous person on the interwebs and why, at your age, you are still trying to get the worlds attention focused on your opinion?

We adults realize that all we should do is offer our opinion and whatever shall be, shall be.

What is clear is that I, csdeven, don’t even have to be logged on Hot Air and you and your ilk are focused on my political opinions. You weirdo’s are at it non stop 24/7/365.

Yet your opinion on politics are not valued enough to keep your site afloat. You have to trick people into visiting your blog by pretending links that you leave are links to respectable sites.

You psychos are so far around the bend, that you are now imagining conspiracies that have no basis in fact and expose a serious paranoia on your parts. Every single one of you foster an attitude of immature insecurity in every comment where you are obsessing on others.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 11:53 AM

I don’t really pay that much attention anymore.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Hahahahaha!!!! With your own words, you condemn yourself!

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 11:55 AM

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Have you found your strawberries, yet, Captain Queeg?

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 11:55 AM

I’m not even going to argue the Israel issue if you’re going to claim he’s pro-Israel while claiming they’re a terrorist nation operation concentration camps.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 10:33 AM

He was making a point that the German government used fabricated rhetoric in order to blame all their problems – both social and economic – on the Jews. There’s a certain sect of Republicans who do the same thing with the illegal aliens. (Don’t get me wrong – I blame the unfettered immigration from Mexico for driving wages down when certain sections of economy, like housing prices, were heating up. But it just showed me that the government can’t be trusted to manage the economy for the benefit of the middle class – not that the Mexicans are to be blamed for all our woes.)

Sorry, but I don’t get why you consider that as some sort of an insult.

angelat0763 on February 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I thought what Santorum did was unique.

The others pretend that the blemishes on their records weren’t really that bad, or excused their blunders with a “that’s not a bug, that’s a feature” defense (see RomneyCare). (And then there’s Ron Paul, who’s never done anything of consequence and somehow trumpets that as his accomplishment.)

Santorum’s got his issues, but he came clean last night in a way that I thought was honorable.

shinty on February 23, 2012 at 10:19 AM

.Why is it “cringeworthy” to admit you’ve made a mistake with a vote??? Every politician has plenty of mistakes, but hardly any of them ever own up to it.

Too bad Mittens doesn’t have the courage to do the same with Romneycare.

If anyone writes Santorum off due to his answer on NCLB then they are part of the problem. We need more politicians like him who are honest enough to admit their mistakes, not sugarcoat it with spin and talking points. . . .

LevinFan on February 23, 2012 at 10:20 AM

I agree. I’m actually a little surprised to come on here this morning and read some things contrary to that.

I thought Santorum did great last night, as did Newt. I think Romney was good last night, but he was a little off his game and didn’t do what he needed to do to change things up.

I don’t think the debate will change anything, which is not good for Romney. Might help Newt a little, but probably not because RIck also did well.

I think it will be things happening outside the debate this week that might change things for Newt or Romney.

Rick did fine, so the debate won’t be what changes things.

. .

Elisa on February 23, 2012 at 12:03 PM

You are aware, Dante, that Iran’s leader has vowed to use nuclear weapons on Israel and the US?

Many (most?) of these radicals embrace martyrdom for their cause, so the deterrent scenario you paint doesn’t apply from my perspective.

Dante, why don’t you quote Paul regarding this topic? “Shinty wants to go to war with all 1.2 billion Muslims!” It would be wrong, but you’d be closer to Paul’s spirit of distortion and appeasement.

shinty on February 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

It’s a shame you’ve been suckered by the saber rattling. Iran is not going to use nuclear weapons on Israel or the U.S. I’d love the see the quote, though, with a citation.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 12:04 PM

You are aware, Dante, that Iran’s leader has vowed to use nuclear weapons on Israel and the US?

shinty on February 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Where did he say that? I googled “Iran vows to use nuclear weapons on Israel” but couldn’t come up with it.

I did see where their real leader said that nuclear weapons are anti-Islamic, though.

angelat0763 on February 23, 2012 at 12:04 PM

angelat0763 on February 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Yes, of course…why would anyone be insulted by a politician comparing Republicans and illegal aliens to Nazis and Jews?

Answer: if the politician were a Democrat, you and every other Republican.

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 12:21 PM

MadisonConservative on February 23, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Paul wasn’t comparing Republicans to Nazis. Can you try to be honest just once?

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 12:25 PM

kingsjester on February 23, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Have you explained that movie to your grandson or are you afraid he’ll make the connection between his obsession with strawberries and your obsession with sock puppets?

Queeg used an actual scale and a spoon to make a case. What do you have? Nothing except your paranoia. 4ell! You wish you had as much reason to be a paranoid schizophrenic as Queeg did.

Why don’t you go back to spamming Hot Air? That at least had a reason people could understand the reason behind. Your obsession with your fellow HA members is seriously sick dude.

csdeven on February 23, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Israel has a large nuclear arsenal and a navy capable of striking and destroying Iran. Iran is not going to “go nuke” on Israel. Paul has said repeatedly that Israel is capable of defending herself and should be allowed to. If they believe Iran is a threat, then it is their sovereign right to respond to the threat. But having America pull their strings by dangling foreign aid and telling them what they can or can’t do, while supplying their enemies with even more foreign aid, isn’t exactly supporting Israel.

Think, man.

Dante on February 23, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Israel is a tiny country. Three atom bombs would pretty much destroy it. While Israel has, reportedly, c. 200 bombs, there is no way they could deploy them if the country was leveled by a surprise attack. That’s why Iran, with her desire to eliminate “the Zionist entity” is an existential threat to Israel. And that’s why Israel’s only option may a preemptive strike.

MrLynn on February 23, 2012 at 12:34 PM

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