Video: Religious freedom is just the first casualty of Obamacare

posted at 12:25 pm on February 22, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Ever since the Obama administration in January reiterated that religious employers — against their religious convictions – will have to provide employee insurance that covers contraception, the so-called contraception mandate has been at the forefront of a debate about religious liberty. That was as it should be.

Now, though, it’s time to remember that the mandate is not just a violation of religious liberty; it’s also the first concrete evidence that Obamacare violates our liberties in general. As Ed wrote yesterday, the majority of Americans still favor a complete repeal of the Affordable Care Act. That repeal would necessarily entail a repeal of the contraception mandate. Given that, opponents of Obamacare must be careful not to substitute a part for the whole. An administrative cave on contraception — victory though that would be — would not be a victory of the same magnitude as the complete repeal of PPACA. That doesn’t mean religious employers shouldn’t continue to argue vociferously against the contraception mandate — just that opponents of Obamacare need to remind the undecided that religious freedom is just the first casualty of Obamacare, but far from the last.

A new Heritage Foundation video does just that, drawing the conversation out from the contraception mandate and toward a comprehensive characterization of Obamacare as the enormous government overreach that it is.

“This is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the problems with Obamacare,” Heritage’s Jennifer Marshall says in the video. “One of the reasons is it’s the first concrete detail, practically, that we’ve seen about the essential benefits package — that is, what insurance will have to cover as a part of Obamacare. All kinds of opportunity for moral conflict for Americans! We have handed the moral compass for some of our most personal healthcare decisions to bureaucrats.”


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There are so many unintended consequences left in the wake of Pelosi/Reid/Obama since 2006, it’s ridiculous. I think this one is fully INTENDED.

I’ve been watching the Military Channels shows on Hitler’s rise, it is down right scary what people will fall for.

kirkill on February 22, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Their big government: Bad.
Our big government: Good.

Huh?

mythicknight on February 22, 2012 at 12:29 PM

The last line says that we’ve “handed the moral compass for some of our most personal healthcare decisions to bureaucrats.”

We haven’t handed anything to bureaucrats. The government has taken that moral compass away from us, under penalty of law.

That is tyranny. We are living under tyranny. Politics is revealing itself as inadequate to the task of dealing with tyrants.

IronDioPriest on February 22, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Of course it isn’t. Obamacare is the Trojan Horse for every liberal wet dream. That’s why the Dems were willing to sacrifice a couple of election cycles for it.

neuquenguy on February 22, 2012 at 12:29 PM

This is undoubtedly true.

jeanie on February 22, 2012 at 12:32 PM

There are only two issues for me in this election.

1. REPEAL OBAMACARE

2. SUPREME COURT JUSTICES (as probably 3 or 4 will be appointed in the next term – GOD HELP US)

I don’t think Romney will make much effort to repeal O-Care. Too much doubt to vote for him on this issue.

I don’t think Santorum is smart enough, clever enough, experienced enough to repeal it.

I have confidence that Newt will get it done.

JUSTICES:

Romney’s record is disgusting with judges. No way I would trust the Supreme Court with him.

Santorum would be better but he lacks the passion on this issue.

NEWT HAS BEEN RANTING FOR YEARS ABOUT OUR OVER-REACHING JUSTICE SYSTEM. He’ll kick azz with appointments.

So, because of these two issues, I’m with Newt.

stenwin77 on February 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Democrats are Communist.

Any questions?

Axion on February 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM

I think the myth of the bluedog democrat was the first casualty.

Flange on February 22, 2012 at 12:35 PM

WTF is going on here?! The Heritage Foundation at one time supported health care mandates. The Catholic Church has never given up on its support of health care mandates. And now they are among the first to cry foul? I call bullsh!t.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:36 PM

“We have handed the moral compass for some of our most personal healthcare decisions to bureaucrats.”

“Don’t you love it when a plan comes together…?” - Satan Obowma

Seven Percent Solution on February 22, 2012 at 12:36 PM

the video is too long!

Dr. Demento on February 22, 2012 at 12:37 PM

“Healthcare” and the overriding of the First Amendment is just the beginning.

Next up:

“We have determined that the interstate sale and distribution of firearms has directly resulted in a rise in violence throughout the country. Therefore, and inasmuch as said rise in violence constitutes an immediate threat to the health and welfare of the people, we have acted so as to regulate the personal ownership of firearms.

Accordingly, and pursuant to the Interstate Commerce Clause, the personal ownership and possession of firearms is to be regulated, in such a way and to such an extent that the immediate threat to the health and welfare of the people is eliminated.”

Second Amendment – you are next. “Regulated” = “Eliminated.”

OhEssYouCowboys on February 22, 2012 at 12:37 PM

We haven’t handed anything to bureaucrats. The government has taken that moral compass away from us, under penalty of law.

IronDioPriest on February 22, 2012 at 12:29 PM

You sure about that, Priest? The Catholic Church’s and Heritage Foundation’s support for health insurance mandates might say otherwise…

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:37 PM

If we can’t win this at the federal level we need to take this battle to the states. The 10th Amendment hasn’t yet been repealed to the best of my knowledge.

Federalism can be the tool we use to restore our liberties. We cannot continue to accept the false Liberal premise that the federal government is a legitimate central government and that states are mere administrative units of said central government.

This must be a multi-level battle and we can’t afford to cede an inch of electoral ground. The states should be our bulwark against unconstitutional federal overreach. Due to relative political concentration of voters it would be easier to get a significant number of Red states to refuse to implement or allow the implementation of Obamacare within their borders. Without participation of half the country the abomination would collapse.

Charlemagne on February 22, 2012 at 12:38 PM

If we can’t win this at the federal level we need to take this battle to the states. The 10th Amendment hasn’t yet been repealed to the best of my knowledge.

Federalism can be the tool we use to restore our liberties. We cannot continue to accept the false Liberal premise that the federal government is a legitimate central government and that states are mere administrative units of said central government.

This must be a multi-level battle and we can’t afford to cede an inch of electoral ground. The states should be our bulwark against unconstitutional federal overreach. Due to relative political concentration of voters it would be easier to get a significant number of Red states to refuse to implement or allow the implementation of Obamacare within their borders. Without participation of half the country the abomination would collapse.

Charlemagne on February 22, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Federalism is not our best weapon in this battle. It has been used to justify violating rights at the state level numerous times before, to wit, Romneycare and every law passed by the California legislature in the last 20 years.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:39 PM

stenwin77 on February 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM

I don’t trust Gingrich’s judgment–he can talk a good line, then support Scozzafava, sit on a sofa with Pelosi, and complain about Ryan’s budget as “right-wing social engineering.” I’m not seeing much kicking of the sort I would want in there.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Barry and Her Majesty of Health Care will not back down on the contraception mandate. They’ve painted themselves into a corner when they rallied their base for support of the mandate. Hopefully, SCOTUS will kill ObamaCare and the contraception rule.

GarandFan on February 22, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Re: The thread picture.

Ever notice how these Statist pigs are always smiling, when they step on us?

OhEssYouCowboys on February 22, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Hopefully, SCOTUS will kill ObamaCare and the contraception rule.

GarandFan on February 22, 2012 at 12:42 PM

And if not…?

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:43 PM

***

So, because of these two issues, I’m with Newt.

stenwin77 on February 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM

I could add a few more, but, in any case, I’m going to take up residence next to you.

BuckeyeSam on February 22, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Yeah, but what about all the “free” stuff..?/

d1carter on February 22, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Now, though, it’s time to remember that the mandate is not just a violation of religious liberty; it’s also the first concrete evidence that Obamacare violates our liberties in general.

FINALLY! I’ve been shouting from the rooftop for the past 2 weeks that this contraception brouhaha was just smoke and mirrors to cover up the administration’s true purpose – dismantling the 1st Amendment.

btw, Take it to him Congresswoman Blackburn!

Flora Duh on February 22, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Of course it isn’t. Obamacare is the Trojan Horse for every liberal wet dream. That’s why the Dems were willing to sacrifice a couple of election cycles for it.

neuquenguy on February 22, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Exactly, what they’ve done in Obamacare is set up a program that allows them to rule on everything, and I do mean everything, by fiat. First up was to show that the 1st Amendment is an annoyance to them and that they can slap it down when they choose. The contraception/abortifacient mandate isn’t really about contraception and abortion, and it sure as hell has nothing to do with health issues, but they used Obamacare to cloak the issue. It was the trial balloon they sent up to see how much resistance they’ll get as they start dismantling individual rights.

Next up? Maybe guns can cause serious injuries requiring costly healthcare, so we can seriously restrict gun ownerhip under Obamacare?

Trafalgar on February 22, 2012 at 12:46 PM

stenwin77 on February 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Bork, remember him? He is advising Romney on judges. Nope, I’ll take Romney over the bloviating bag of phony bull. Newt speaks conservative but his mode of operation is just the opposite.

1. Don’t tell me he balanced the budget. There were deficits all four years he was House Speaker. Never in my 30+ years of accounting have I seen a balanced budget with deficits.

2. He prevented Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac through collusion with these organizations (why he ended up lobbying for them)to vote down the proposed legislation that would cause these firms to pay fees when giving out those bad mortgages. Potentially, this helped in the melt down. If the legislation had passed it would have put the brakes on these to organizations.

3. His first attack on Romney was so far left of center he had to look back to see moderate. This was a clue to his thought process. He is a progressive, and believes that social programs are good if tweaked. PROGRESSIVE is the same club Obama belongs to and sorry, just because he has had an R after his name means nothing:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gingrich-archives-show-his-public-praise-private-criticism-of-reagan/2012/02/15/gIQAnK6IOR_story.html

Staff and biographer approved by Gingrich has a different story about the man. Ran as a republican because in Georgia he would not have won at the time. This archived history is not only relevant but is current.

uhangtight on February 22, 2012 at 12:46 PM

FINALLY! I’ve been shouting from the rooftop for the past 2 weeks that this contraception brouhaha was just smoke and mirrors to cover up the administration’s true purpose – dismantling the 1st Amendment.

btw, Take it to him Congresswoman Blackburn!

Flora Duh on February 22, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Then clergy and conservatives think tanks have made a deal with the devil, and I’m not sure I do mean that in the figurative sense, either…

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:47 PM

F R E E D O M ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

KOOLAID2 on February 22, 2012 at 12:48 PM

we are losing the messaging war!

Dr. Demento on February 22, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Hopefully, SCOTUS will kill ObamaCare and the contraception rule.

GarandFan on February 22, 2012 at 12:42 PM
And if not…?

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Learn from the Greeks and Muslims…RIOT!

KOOLAID2 on February 22, 2012 at 12:50 PM

we are losing the messaging war!

Dr. Demento on February 22, 2012 at 12:48 PM

A good way to start winning it would be to stop sounding like libtards.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Resist we much!

BacaDog on February 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Learn from the Greeks and Muslims…RIOT!

KOOLAID2 on February 22, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I would not dare encourage such a course of action, but it’s looking more and more inevitable.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM

The Catholic Church has never given up on its support of health care mandates. And now they are among the first to cry foul? I call bullsh!t.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Gryphon, friend. We went around on this one yesterday. While I admit that the Catholic Church has come out in favor of health care reform (a position I do not agree with them on, and one I’m not bound to agree with), the US Conference of Catholic Bishops unanimously opposed Obamacare. So can we agree to dispose of the implication that the USCCB supported Obamacare and now they have to deal with it?

Trafalgar on February 22, 2012 at 12:52 PM

That sound you hear is Obama chortling at the voters.

He’s simply daring you to not reelect him.

Marcus Traianus on February 22, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Both of obamas parents were communists. What is the 1st right to go when communists take over a country? RELIGION………………………

vietvet68 on February 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Gryphon, friend. We went around on this one yesterday. While I admit that the Catholic Church has come out in favor of health care reform (a position I do not agree with them on, and one I’m not bound to agree with), the US Conference of Catholic Bishops unanimously opposed Obamacare. So can we agree to dispose of the implication that the USCCB supported Obamacare and now they have to deal with it?

Trafalgar on February 22, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I didn’t say anything about Obamacare. I said they never gave up on their support of health care/insurance mandates — which Obamacare is. If you can’t debate that point with me, then we have no debate. To say “we didn’t hand them anything, they took it” is patently false and blatantly absurd. We’re getting what we deserve, and if you can’t debate that point with me either, pack it in. We’re done here.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Mission #1:

Rally behind whoever the republican candidate is to make sure Obama doesn’t get re-elected.

Mission #2:

Start fixing this country.

NapaConservative on February 22, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Mission #1:

Rally behind whoever the republican candidate is to make sure Obama doesn’t get re-elected.

Mission #2:

Start fixing this country.

NapaConservative on February 22, 2012 at 12:55 PM

I’m not sure exactly what that has to do with the topic of this thread, but okay. I don’t disagree.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Both of obamas parents were communists. What is the 1st right to go when communists take over a country? RELIGION………………………

vietvet68 on February 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM

But, remember, under the Communists, there was still a use for the churches … the ones that weren’t bulldozed, razed or blown-up.

They became barns, for the livestock. That is freedom of religion, under Communism.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 22, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I’m not sure exactly what that has to do with the topic of this thread, but okay. I don’t disagree.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I see how people in this thread are already starting to argue over Romney or Newt.

I just wanted to bring back the focus on what we must do: Get Obama out of office.

Then we can discuss the detais on how to mend this nation.

NapaConservative on February 22, 2012 at 1:00 PM

I didn’t say anything about Obamacare. I said they never gave up on their support of health care/insurance mandates — which Obamacare is. If you can’t debate that point with me, then we have no debate. To say “we didn’t hand them anything, they took it” is patently false and blatantly absurd. We’re getting what we deserve, and if you can’t debate that point with me either, pack it in. We’re done here.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:54 PM

What you did say was that the Catholic Church has never given up on its support of health care mandates. And now they are among the first to cry foul?. And I agreed with you that the Catholic Church has taken a position on healthcare reform, with which I disagree. My point is simply that saying that the Catholic Church is the first to cry foul after passage and implementation of Obamacare implies that the Church supported it in the first place, when in fact they did not.

Trafalgar on February 22, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I just wanted to bring back the focus on what we must do: Get Obama out of office.

Then we can discuss the detais on how to mend this nation.

NapaConservative on February 22, 2012 at 1:00 PM

I’d like to discuss the details on how to mend this nation here and now:

Follow the constitution.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 1:01 PM

“Heritage did put forward the idea of an individual mandate, though it predated HillaryCare by several years. We know this because we were there: In 1988-90, we were employed at Heritage as a public relations associate (a junior writer and editor), and we wrote at least one press release for a publication touting Heritage’s plan for comprehensive legislation to provide universal “quality, affordable health care.”

As a junior publicist, we weren’t being paid for our personal opinions. But we are now, so you will be the first to know that when we worked at Heritage, we hated the Heritage plan, especially the individual mandate. “Universal health care” was neither already established nor inevitable, and we thought the foundation had made a serious philosophical and strategic error in accepting rather than disputing the left-liberal notion that the provision of “quality, affordable health care” to everyone was a proper role of government. As to the mandate, we remember reading about it and thinking: “I thought we were supposed to be for freedom.”

The plan was introduced in a 1989 book, “A National Health System for America” by Stuart Butler and Edmund Haislmaier. We seem to have mislaid our copy, and we couldn’t find it online, but we did track down a 1990 Backgrounder and a 1991 lecture by Butler that outline the plan. One of its two major planks, the equalization of tax treatment for individually purchased and employer-provided health insurance, seemed sensible and unobjectionable, at least in principle.

But the other was the mandate, described as a “Health Care Social Contract” and fleshed out in the lecture.

Stuart Butler’s lecture describes what the Heritage’s mandate would look like:

We would include a mandate in our proposal–not a mandate on employers, but a mandate on heads of households–to obtain at least a basic package of health insurance for themselves and their families. That would have to include, by federal law, a catastrophic provision in the form of a stop loss for a family’s total health outlays. It would have to include all members of the family, and it might also include certain very specific services, such as preventive care, well baby visits, and other items.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/

plewis on February 22, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Follow the constitution.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I think we agree on a lot more than we disagree!

Trafalgar on February 22, 2012 at 1:03 PM

All things great and small start in little seemingly insignificant ways.

1. I have the “hope to change” the establishment.
2. I do not need the forced restraints of a budget to fulfill my destiny.
3. I do not need an armed civilian population to stand in the way of MY “hope and change”.
4. I need MY private Army to do MY work with in the Continental US.
5. I do not need a dysfunctional congress for “Hope and Change”.
6. I do not need a Congress except to do what I tell them to do.
7. I need to redistribute the wealth from the rich to the poor.
8. I do not need other authority figures of religion to compete or my place over the people.
9. The Press and Internet must be controlled.
10. They don’t understand, and tell lies about me, only I tell the truth.
11. I must remain true to with MY certain rich friends, foreign and domestic, for only they will help me when in need.
12. This I tell all is my Ordained Destiny of “Hope and Change”.

Careful all who may read this. 11 November is close at hand and this may well be our last chance to get it wright.

We have a Government and especially the Congress that has enacted so many laws and procedures to protect themselves that changes from the out side is virtually impossible.

We have an election system that essentially prohibits any one other than a Democrat or a Republican from being elected President of the US. Statistically a Third Party Candidate would need about 60% of the populous vote (last one was George Washington) to be considered, and the election may still be determined in congress over the objections of the people.

The Constitution outline FIVE (5) branches of government, that are meant to balance.

1. The Administrative
2. The Legislative
3. The Judicial
4. We the People
5. The Free Press (Internet also)

It is in my opinion, that “We the People” that have failed the system the most. For we allowed and encouraged it all to happen. This November 11 may be our last chance to save this great nation from itself.

VOTE WISE MY FRIENDS.

jpcpt03 on February 22, 2012 at 1:05 PM

My point is simply that saying that the Catholic Church is the first to cry foul after passage and implementation of Obamacare implies that the Church supported it in the first place, when in fact they did not.

Trafalgar on February 22, 2012 at 1:01 PM

*sigh* But they did. They cried foul over contraceptives and abortion, NOT over the mandate that is at the very core of health care reform. This is a shining example of the intellectual dishonesty I see in chancery offices everywhere that was a major reason I fell away from the church. Anyone can be upset when their own oxen are being gored, but as a currently unchurched Christian I really don’t give a flying f**k what the church thinks about contraception. I care that the church supports a freedom-sapping unconstitutional conscience-be-damned mandate, and would continue to support it so long as it doesn’t mandate abortion or contraceptive coverage. RATIONALIZATION FAIL.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 1:05 PM

We did not “hand over” anything in this case. The People did not get to vote on this. The People had no sway in this at all.

It was foisted upon us via hook and crook by the real actual true-blue fascists — President Barack Hussein Obama and his clown-car cavalcade of reprobate Democrats.

Naturally, of course, it’s not fascism when they do it.

SD Tom on February 22, 2012 at 1:05 PM

I think we agree on a lot more than we disagree!

Trafalgar on February 22, 2012 at 1:03 PM

For what it’s worth, I think we agree that we agree on a lot more than we disagree. BUT…the capacity for self-deception in people from many walks of life without whose help Obamacare never would have become law is stark and frustrating to me.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 1:07 PM

We did not “hand over” anything in this case. The People did not get to vote on this. The People had no sway in this at all.

It was foisted upon us via hook and crook by the real actual true-blue fascists — President Barack Hussein Obama and his clown-car cavalcade of reprobate Democrats.

Naturally, of course, it’s not fascism when they do it.

SD Tom on February 22, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Like hell we didn’t. It started with easily over half of the American electorate voting for a known tyrant. If that was just dumb luck or some sort of conspiracy, someone really needs to point out the black helicopters to me.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Faith Leaders Testify in Solidarity at Congressional Hearing on Contraception Mandate Violating Religious Freedom

[...]

In their opening statements, panel members stressed that the HHS mandate constitutes a grave violation of First Amendment Free Exercise, the Religious Freedom and Restoration Act (RFRA), and the historical principles upon which America was founded.

[snip]

Panel members also fielded questions from the committee about the framing of the issue, whether as a public health debate or a religious liberty issue. Every member of the panel expressed belief that this is a religious liberty and freedom of conscience issue…

The Center for Vision & Values

The non-partisan National Center for Public Policy.

Flora Duh on February 22, 2012 at 1:14 PM

The last line says that we’ve “handed the moral compass for some of our most personal healthcare decisions to bureaucrats.”

We haven’t handed anything to bureaucrats. The government has taken that moral compass away from us, under penalty of law.

That is tyranny. We are living under tyranny. Politics is revealing itself as inadequate to the task of dealing with tyrants.

IronDioPriest on February 22, 2012 at 12:29 PM

The real issue today is whether employers — any employers — should be forced by the federal government to supply contraception for free. Under what authority does the federal government have that power, and for what purpose?
Ed Morrissey
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/21/no-birth-control-isnt-an-election-issue/

But don’t worry, sesquipedalian thinks we’re all imagining all of this tyranny.

Chip on February 22, 2012 at 1:15 PM

US Conference of Catholic Bishops

That is not the Catholic church. And any opposition to Obamacare is based just on their opposition to birth control, not the idea of taxpayer funded socialized medicine. The Catholic Church has been in favor of small s socialism since the industrial revolution, while rejecting large S socialism primarily only because it was associated with atheism.

Ask the Vatican what it thinks of:

capital punishment
war
trade unions
welfare
social security
illegal immigration

AND socialized medicine

The Catholic Church today is much closer to Michael Moore than it is to anything remotely right wing. Social justice is a theme in modern Christianity and it is definitely a major tenet in modern Catholicism. Theologically, there is some support for it. But politically, socialism has infected the Church because it jives with the views of blue-collar, traditionally-unionized, working class Catholics. You know, there is a reason why Catholics historically vote democrat. It’s not by accident.

keep the change on February 22, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Civil disobedience, anyone?

MikeinPRCA on February 22, 2012 at 1:23 PM

gryphon202:

This is a shining example of the intellectual dishonesty I see in chancery offices everywhere that was a major reason I fell away from the church. .

Thank you for the context.

Mason on February 22, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Thank you for the context.

Mason on February 22, 2012 at 1:24 PM

You think I’m unable to objectively comment on this because I’m a heathen or something?

/PBBBBBT

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 1:26 PM

You sure about that, Priest? The Catholic Church’s and Heritage Foundation’s support for health insurance mandates might say otherwise…

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:37 PM

The Heritage Foundation long ago disavowed their support for the individual mandate.

Bitter Clinger on February 22, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Obama is willing to ignore constitutional limits flagrantly in many respects, there is no reason to believe he will abide by the rest of the limits in the Constitution. The premise here is that *he* decides what he will do or not –regardless of what his actual powers are as executive.

And the Republicans let Obama openly violate and ignore the Constitution.

Weebork on February 22, 2012 at 1:27 PM

The Heritage Foundation long ago disavowed their support for the individual mandate.

Bitter Clinger on February 22, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Then why do I find Rombots bringing it up in Romneycare’s defense to this very day?

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 1:28 PM

stenwin77 on February 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM
I don’t trust Gingrich’s judgment–he can talk a good line, then support Scozzafava, sit on a sofa with Pelosi, and complain about Ryan’s budget as “right-wing social engineering.” I’m not seeing much kicking of the sort I would want in there.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Newt also seems a little power mad for my taste. While he opposes the overreach of government when someone else is doing the reaching, he might like it just fine when he’s the one in power. If he could find a way to use Obamacare to start a moonbase, he’d probably keep it.

talkingpoints on February 22, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Like hell we didn’t. It started with easily over half of the American electorate voting for a known tyrant. If that was just dumb luck or some sort of conspiracy, someone really needs to point out the black helicopters to me.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Granted, elections have consequences and too many people fell for “hope and change”. That gave the Dems the power to force this garbage through. But, it was done even though they knew that over half the population didn’t want it and despite not getting a single vote from the opposition party. The we that was spoken of in the post you were responding references how the will of the people was thwarted in this raw power grab.

Bitter Clinger on February 22, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Then why do I find Rombots bringing it up in Romneycare’s defense to this very day?

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Because they have to grasp at straws in order to prop up their weak candidate.

Bitter Clinger on February 22, 2012 at 1:34 PM

So, because of these two issues, I’m with Newt.

stenwin77 on February 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM

I could add a few more, but, in any case, I’m going to take up residence next to you.

BuckeyeSam on February 22, 2012 at 12:43 PM

We’re going to have to get a bigger residence.

Vince on February 22, 2012 at 1:49 PM

To say “we didn’t hand them anything, they took it” is patently false and blatantly absurd. We’re getting what we deserve, and if you can’t debate that point with me either, pack it in. We’re done here.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:54 PM

I don’t remember voting on this.

Vince on February 22, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Their big government: Bad.
Our big government: Good.

Huh?

mythicknight on February 22, 2012 at 12:29 PM

You’re not kidding…one of the most arrogant things about this mess, is the absolute audacity of those idiots who pushed this thing through, is that THEY’RE so much smarter than anyone else on the planet, so OF COURSE THEY can make it work feasibly here.

Those Europeans et al, are just not bright enough to get socialized medicine to function properly.

Somebody just shoot me.

sage0925 on February 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM

talkingpoints on February 22, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Exactly. I never trust anyone who supports a law by saying, “But we would never…” because although that may be true, you won’t always be the one in the position. Madison said, “The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.” Handing power to someone with the hopes that no one will ever abuse it is folly.

DrMagnolias on February 22, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Hope Holder doesn’t have the cartels take out the Supreme Court before they can hear the case.

samazf on February 22, 2012 at 2:38 PM

“The last line says that we’ve “handed the moral compass for some of our most personal healthcare decisions to bureaucrats.””

And herin lies much of our messaging issue. We say this when it comes to forcing insurance companies to cover contraception and religious organizations to purchase those insurance policies and then turn around and submit legislation to force/require women to have a (maybe non-invasive/maybe invasive) medical procedures done to them while in the process of getting an abortion. Regardless, bureaucrats are making medical decisions for the masses and not the patient/doctor.

I believe in less intrusion of government into peoples’ lives period. I don’t pick and chose which social issue I hold this litmus test to.

bds1976 on February 22, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Until the ordinary everyday libs notice that they’ve lost the ability to do something they thought of as their right, nothing will change. When they try to go to a doctor and are told the wait will be 2 or 3 months or that what they have isn’t covered, it will be too late. This Zerocare has to be stopped now. It is aptly named, too, zerocare.

Kissmygrits on February 22, 2012 at 4:23 PM

A good way to start winning it would be to stop sounding like libtards.

gryphon202 on February 22, 2012 at 12:50 PM

yes, yes it would. i don’t know if that was directed at me or the repubs that are awful at messaging. hence your message was quite ironic, don’tchya think?

Dr. Demento on February 22, 2012 at 4:31 PM