The funny part of Santorum’s Satan Problem is that popular culture sort of believes in Satan, but mistakenly attributes total power to him, which means they must deny that he exist.

The young Mr Santorum dares to believe in a Satan and then posit that Christians can defeat him.

And Santorium really believes that, so he becomes no longer socially acceptable.

Unfortunately, there are many Christians who choose to make up their own versions. They delete or simply ignore whatever they don’t feel like following. Certain parts that are really tough to follow … just leave them out. He’ll forgive us later, right?

Why do you think we have so many different variations? It’s because over the centuries, humans have taken it upon themselves to alter it to their liking. They don’t like something, toss it out. They think it should be different, just add it.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM

There you go again, taking the place of God and telling folks that their Christianity just isn’t up to YOUR standards. Man, I’d hate to be standing next to you in a lightning storm. Tsk, tsk. Get thee back to Bible study!

The Mittbots have truly become unhinged.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

I’m not certain they were ever truly “hinged” in the first place.

Bush and Reagan NEVER said “Satan” was waging a “spiritual war” against the United States of America,

Nothing nutty about that statement. If you believe there is a Satan, and see the general moral decline of the sexual revolution, then it’s a perfectly plausible belief

and that all of the nation’s Protestants had “left the world of Christianity,”

Mainline Protestants doesn’t mean all Protestants. Neither is it a criticism that is new to Santorum

or that all sex, including married sex, must be about procreation,

Catholic doctrine that I would vehemently disagree with. In fact, I consider it to be harmful to marriages to imply that enjoying their physical bond is somehow wrong.

Still, it’s Catholic doctrine, and even though I consider it misbegotten and unBiblical, it’s not exactly nutty.

or that birth control is bad for all women.

More Catholic doctrine that I disagree with. Birth control has its positive uses, with the exception of abortifacients. Birth control also doesn’t always work, and some forms have side effects, like birth control pills that can even be fatal in rare cases.

Don’t you see how nutty that is?!! Your argument is like saying someone who is throwing around the “N” word just wants to talk about race relations. There is “talking about” one’s faith, and then there is dogmatic religious fanaticism. And I’ve got bad news for you: The vast majority of voters can see the difference.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Not everyone agrees about what constitutes “nutty.” More to the point, I doubt any of the above is considered nutty by most of the country.

Your boy gave birth to Obamacare and yet you criticize others for wanting too much govt in your life.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Romneycare gave birth to Obamacare in the exact same way the creation of the spoken word gave birth to hate speak.

He said he would offer the EO waivers to the states on Day 1 if CONGRESS does not pass repeal legislation with a dem senate.
So in your world, a President Romney bypasses state houses and decrees romneycare for all- all the while declaring those judiciaries null and void.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 6:13 PM

You’re not paying attention.

As I stated previously, he has promised to repeal OBAMACARE, and grant waivers to OBAMACARE, which is … say it with me … the FEDERAL MANDATE.

He has made absolutely zero promises to stop states from installing Romneycare, or their own versions, which means … many will. So, do you think it’s Constitutional to force you to purchase government healthcare, or not? Only in some states? Not at all? Which is it? California, but not Florida?

And if California decides they will go the Massachusetts route, we in Florida should not allow it. Medical pot and gay marriage go for it- but we will draw the line on HC. Honestly, what kind of control do you think you have ?

What kind of control do I think I have? I think you have that backward. I don’t have much control. That’s the point. How much do you think YOU have, to think that you’re going to be able to stop it in Florida if they decide they want Romneycare? What are you going to do, stand up and yell? You going to picket on the corner? Are you going to just move to another state? And what if they install it there too? What if every state decides they want to ignore the Constitution and install it? What if they decide they want to collect all guns? What if they decide they want to take away free speech and outlaw protests? Is that “state’s rights?”

You need to think this through further. I live in California. I don’t exactly get to “decide” if we have government run healthcare. It’s decided for me. I could move, yes, but what happens when the state I move to decides they want to ignore the Constitution as well? Do I just keep moving?

How about we simply nominate someone who wants to protect our Constitutional rights, from both state AND federal dictators?

Romney has repeatedly said he would sign the repeal over and over.
He said he would offer the EO waivers to the states on Day 1 if CONGRESS does not pass repeal legislation with a dem senate.
So in your world, a President Romney bypasses state houses and decrees romneycare for all- all the while declaring those judiciaries null and void.

And if California decides they will go the Massachusetts route, we in Florida should not allow it. Medical pot and gay marriage go for it- but we will draw the line on HC. Honestly, what kind of control do you think you have ?

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 6:13 PM

WTH? By your comment before, which is it?

Are you still pretending Medicare/Medicaid aren’t “Govt in your life “- as you say – Do you want to alienate Senior citizen voters now? 50 million of them ? If you can’t scare them with Jesus- scare them with HC ?

There is an HC problem you cannot ignore.
Your little world may insulate you – but many many people feel differently than you do.

And when Mittens fixes these problems, you will repent.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Whoaaa!!!! First time I’ve seen this. So let me get this straight. Romney supporters are down with ObamaCare? We’ve dropped the pretense of trying to repeal it? We’re going to leave it and goose it and make it Republican ObamaCare?

Please tell me I’m wrong with what you’re saying here.

It is dishonest to claim that Santorum said anything about “ALL Protestants” when he, in fact, did not. It is also dishonest to claim that Santorum is a theocrat when his own political history, and his own words, show him not to be. But, you know, if you cannot win by being honest, you can choose to be dishonest, just like Obama and Romney.

Come on now. Let’s at least be honest.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:57 PM

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Romney has repeatedly said he would sign the repeal over and over.
He said he would offer the EO waivers to the states on Day 1 if CONGRESS does not pass repeal legislation with a dem senate.
So in your world, a President Romney bypasses state houses and decrees romneycare for all- all the while declaring those judiciaries null and void.

And if California decides they will go the Massachusetts route, we in Florida should not allow it. Medical pot and gay marriage go for it- but we will draw the line on HC. Honestly, what kind of control do you think you have ?

It isn’t your job to explain to anyone “what it means” for them to be Christian.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 5:40 PM

By the way …

This is a very good point you made. I do NOT get to decide what it means to be Christian. Only God decides that. He explained it to us. He taught us. He showed us how to live, what was wrong, and what was right.

Unfortunately, there are many Christians who choose to make up their own versions. They delete or simply ignore whatever they don’t feel like following. Certain parts that are really tough to follow … just leave them out. He’ll forgive us later, right?

You just agreed with me. Thank you.

Just a note to all the different variations of the faith, such as Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran …

Why do you think we have so many different variations? It’s because over the centuries, humans have taken it upon themselves to alter it to their liking. They don’t like something, toss it out. They think it should be different, just add it.

Santorum speaks of Satan. So what? I understand how that creeps out atheists, but why does it creep out Christians? If you were standing on a hillside listening to Jesus speak to the crowd, would you tell him he’s creeping you out by mentioning Satan?

Many of you are simply afraid to discuss your faith in public. Seriously. Get over it.

President Romney could not force individual states to adopt anything.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 5:44 PM

LOL! Calm down and get a grip. No, it’s not a lie. It’s a fact. The desire to have it implemented in every state was very much discussed while designing Romneycare.

Also, I never stated that Romney would “force” all states to implement it. My point was that while he might void out the federal Obamacare mandate, he’ll do absolutely nothing to stop states from forcing it on us, which means absolutely nothing will change. It’s smoke and mirrors. Don’t you get it? He’s a classic fraud who says whatever you want to hear.

Romney has never once denied this. He’s never once denied that he believes states can ignore the Constitution. As I asked in a previous comment, I’d love it if you can please list all of the parts of the Constitution that you believe can be completely ignored by the states.

It’s simple reality. If Romney is elected … Obamacare isn’t going anywhere. He might get void the federal program, but he’ll simply repackage it so it’s handled by the states. And if you happen to live in one of those states … would you suddenly be okay with it? Would you yell … “yippie, I approve because it’s a states issue!?

Come on now. Let’s at least be honest.

What Santorum said–and what he evidently believes–is that “…mainline Protestantism is a shambles. It is gone from the world of Christianity, as I see it.”

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Well, actually he is correct. “Mainline” Protestants are in serious decline. They are losing their membership and support every year. And they are losing them to “Evangelical” Protestants. This isn’t subjective. This is factual. The numbers have shown it.

Where “mainline” Protestant denominations went wrong was diluting their faith . . . allowing gays to be ordained . . . gay marriages performed in their churches . . . support for abortion. They got away from the “Good News” or “Gospel” to “social gospel”. Their churches services turned into more or less political rallies instead of times of worship. They quit giving their church attenders anything that they couldn’t get from outside the walls of the church.

You don’t get to decide if I “understand what it means” to be Christian or if I am a Christian. It isn’t your job to explain to anyone “what it means” for them to be Christian.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Why are you still lying? I didn’t decide. I didn’t even suggest you were or weren’t a Christian. I said you either were or you weren’t, and I asked you which one it is. Why are you lying?

You’re pathetic.

Worship however you please and, as an American, grant to me the same indifference.

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

My point exactly. This was also Santorum’s point, exactly. So, in your mind, you are a Christian who believes a person should just worship as they please? You know, like just toss out the stuff you don’t like, and keep the things you do? Which parts are not important? Which parts are important? Is murder okay, not okay, or is that up to each individual to decide and nobody should dictate how they see their faith? How about drug use? Gay sex? Threesomes? Robbery? Assault? Which ones are bad? Which ones are good? Is it up to each individual to decide which Christian guidelines they should follow, or which to ignore?

Apparently, the Christians who are creeped out by Santorum speaking about his beliefs, and of Satan, believe he should just shut up and leave God out of it. Ignore his faith, which teaches him to do exactly what he’s doing. Instead, maybe he should be talking about basketball, or building roads, or taxes. All those things are way more important than God, right?

There are lots of Protestants in the United States; and (2) We vote.

So, Christians should keep their mouths shut, in order to win votes? You mean, deny God? Deny your faith? Just … keep quiet?

Maybe Jesus just should have shut up, to avoid creeping out all the non-believers. He should have kept his opinions to himself, and focused on what was important, like … the cost of sheep’s wool.

I get it. Maybe you ought to rethink priorities, as a Christian.

You do know that Romney has said he wants Romneycare in every state, right? That’s been verified by several people who worked on the initial project.
Can Romney give us a list in advance of parts of the Constitution that the states can’t simply ignore? It would be helpful.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM

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You LIE and obfuscate. Shame on you.
Congress has to repeal Obiecare.
SCOTUS will decide what parts are or aren’t constitutional.
President Romney could not force individual states to adopt anything.
Most states ALREADY have one form or another of an HC program – mostly for children.
You who do not possess the courage or desire to solve one of the largest problem facing this country can keep your head buried in the sand. Its time to reform decades old policy. Remember – for the future?

Are you still pretending Medicare/Medicaid aren’t “Govt in your life “- as you say – Do you want to alienate Senior citizen voters now? 50 million of them ? If you can’t scare them with Jesus- scare them with HC ?

There is an HC problem you cannot ignore.
Your little world may insulate you – but many many people feel differently than you do.

And when Mittens fixes these problems, you will repent.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Typical Mittbot answer. I bring up Obamacare you go on a tangent about Medicaid and Medicare. On what planet do senior citizens approve of Obamacare?

Either you’re drunk or a fool. Which is it?

Nice try, but I didn’t say I knew if you were or were not. I said you were either a Christian who does not understand what it means, or you’re not a Christian. Only you know the answer.

It was a nice try though. You must be a democrat.

You know what I said. Why are you now lying?

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Gregor, I busted you violating your very own theology. Deal with it. You don’t get to decide if I “understand what it means” to be Christian or if I am a Christian. It isn’t your job to explain to anyone “what it means” for them to be Christian. You are way out of your depth here, brother. You are just illustrating and illustrating why the majority of people do not trust religious fanatics. They seldom live what they preach, so the preaching just becomes louder and louder.

Your little world may insulate you – but many many people feel differently than you do.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM

You mean, that whole 25% number he can’t get over?

And when Mittens fixes these problems, you will repent.

Why would Romney the Socialist fix these problems when he believes they are the way to go? I don’t get it. Why would he fix a system he designed?

Get a grip. Romney’s a pathetic liar who promises everything to everyone, depending on the direction of the wind. He’s a fraud. And you’re a sucker.

Ah, haha. Now we’re getting somewhere. So which part do you take offense to? As a Christian, what does Santorum say that you don’t agree with? Let’s get to the bottom of this, shall we? Please give us a few examples of Santorum beliefs that, as a Christian, you feel should be knocked down in level of importance? What does this Christian Santorum say that creeps you out, with you being a Christian and all? Other than the generic … “he insulted you” and you’re really mad excuse.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:16 PM

My faith is my own, Gregor, as yours is your own. As a Protestant, I honestly don’t care what the Catholic Church does or does not do, seriously. The Pope is no concern of mine. Worship however you please and, as an American, grant to me the same indifference.

What Santorum said–and what he evidently believes–is that “…mainline Protestantism is a shambles. It is gone from the world of Christianity, as I see it.”

As it happens, the woman in my life–the love of my life–is a Catholic from Boston, of all places, so it wouldn’t be fair to say I’m possessed of any seething bigotry toward Catholics or Catholicism, although she and I disagree strongly on the Kennedys, but that’s another discussion entirely.

Anyway, Santorum said it and so far I haven’t heard or seen or read anything which would indicate he repudiates what he’s said about my faith. Now, imagine the impact of that insult radiating out a million-fold, like the world’s biggest rock falling into the world’s largest puddle.

Whether mainline Protestantism is a shambles or not is up to Protestants to decide, not a Catholic politician too stupid to realize that (1) There are lots of Protestants in the United States; and (2) We vote.

Your boy gave birth to Obamacare and yet you criticize others for wanting too much govt in your life.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

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Are you still pretending Medicare/Medicaid aren’t “Govt in your life “- as you say – Do you want to alienate Senior citizen voters now? 50 million of them ? If you can’t scare them with Jesus- scare them with HC ?

There is an HC problem you cannot ignore.
Your little world may insulate you – but many many people feel differently than you do.

And when Mittens fixes these problems, you will repent.

Guess what, Gregor, you do not get to decide who is and is not a Christian. Are you God? No? Then you probably shouldn’t be impersonating Him.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Nice try, but I didn’t say I knew if you were or were not. I said you were either a Christian who does not understand what it means, or you’re not a Christian. Only you know the answer.

It was a nice try though. You must be a democrat.

You know what I said. Why are you now lying?