Washington: Santorum 38, Romney 27, Ron Paul 15, Newt Gingrich 12

posted at 3:40 pm on February 21, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Rick Santorum is well-poised to win the Washington GOP caucus, especially if he pulls off another primary win or two before all eyes turn to the Evergreen State March 3. According to a new survey by Public Policy Polling, Santorum shines in the Pacific Northwestern state:

Wedged between the Michigan/Arizona primaries and Super Tuesday the Washington state GOP caucus hasn’t received a lot of attention. At least for now it looks like it could give Rick Santorum some momentum headed into the critical March 6th contests. He leads there with 38% to 27% for Mitt Romney, 15% for Ron Paul, and 12% for Newt Gingrich.

Santorum is by far the most popular of the Republican candidates with 69% viewing him favorably to only 18% with a negative opinion.  Romney is the only other one who even has a positive favorability rating. He’s at 47/42. The disparity between Santorum and Romney’s numbers in Washington resembles what we found for the contests two weeks ago in Missouri and Minnesota, both of which Santorum ended up winning by a healthy margin.

PPP predicts a particularly rough time in Washington for Newt Gingrich — and states explicitly that Gingrich’s continued presence in the race keeps Romney competitive, as 59 percent of his supporters say they would switch to Rick Santorum if the former Speaker of the House dropped out. Just 13 percent say they would go to Romney. Question 8 of the poll removes Gingrich from the equation and asks voters again whom they’d pick. In that scenario, Santorum leads Romney 49 to 28.

But the polling group also reminds readers that the race has been and still is volatile. Half of voters in Washington say they could change their mind between now and March 3 — and Romney’s supporters are more firmly committed than Santorum’s, which means a Romney victory in Washington is definitely not out of the question.

Still, this poll confirms that Santorum’s strategy so far has been sound: He’s zeroed in on the states in which he thinks he could be competitive and has concentrated his time and attention accordingly. Washington has been one of those states — and, just as in Iowa, Missouri and probably Michigan, voters will reward him for his pointed physical presence in their state.


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Santorum is RELIGIOUS FANATIC who does NOT believe in small government nor individual liberty. He is a RADICAL just like Barack Obama, but wants to replace Obama’s Marxist radicalism with Christian radicalism. Both men want to CONTROL how people live and DICTATE what their freedoms should be.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 4:38 PM

The Mittbots have truly become unhinged.

Moron, Obama wants to force the taxpayer to pay for condoms. Santorum says the govt should not pay for it. Only in the twisted mind of a delusional Mittbot is being against govt freebies considered a sign of wanting to dictate how people live.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

I think Santorum is going to start dropping like a rock. His views are nutty and a lot of people haven’t heard about them yet, but they are starting to come out. The latest satan talk isn’t going to help. He is the only one of the bunch that will not get my vote under any circumstance.

bopbottle on February 21, 2012 at 4:13 PM

His views are nutty? Who thinks that? So called “conservatives” who either don’t believe in God, or put smoking weed, watching American Idol, or gay sex higher than God on the importance factor?

Trust me. You people don’t count as much as you think you do in this thing.

My suspicion is that all of those who keep posting the “Santorum is creepy” comments are actually paid Romney campaign workers or Ron Paul potheads. You’re meaningless.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

He is a RADICAL just like Barack Obama, but wants to replace Obama’s Marxist radicalism with Christian radicalism.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 4:38 PM

That’s pure hyperbole on your part.

And which world would you rather live in? Free birth control for all or jobs and a growing economy?

Lanceman on February 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Some of you guys (and gals) need to head over to reddit once in a while. As someone mentioned above, Santorum is being destroyed daily by the Liberal College Punks (LCP for short) that troll there. Its predominently geared to college/young adults and they do vote. Social issues aren’t nearly as important to them as Fiscal issues at this point but Santorum wants to die on the Social hill. Its why he’ll be beat in the General.

If some of you wish to bury your heads then so be it. Just don’t be surprised with another 0bama win.

ManWithNoName on February 21, 2012 at 4:41 PM

If you think the LCPs would vote for Romney instead you’re insane.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

And you base that on what? The polls don’t back up your assertion. If it’s because a politician publicly expressing socially conservative views makes you feel uncomfortable, get over yourself. Because it didn’t hurt Bush in 2000 or 2004. And it didn’t hurt Reagan in 1980 or 1984. In fact, history seems to show that Republicans do far better in Presidential elections when they don’t shy away from talking about their faith then when they try to hide it. Shoot, most thought McCain’s finest moment in the 2008 campaign was when he sat with Rick Warren at the Saddleback Forum.

Doughboy on February 21, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Bush and Reagan NEVER said “Satan” was waging a “spiritual war” against the United States of America, and that all of the nation’s Protestants had “left the world of Christianity,” or that all sex, including married sex, must be about procreation, or that birth control is bad for all women. Don’t you see how nutty that is?!! Your argument is like saying someone who is throwing around the “N” word just wants to talk about race relations. There is “talking about” one’s faith, and then there is dogmatic religious fanaticism. And I’ve got bad news for you: The vast majority of voters can see the difference.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Why are so many democrats on this site pumping a liberal like Romney? We will choose our own candidate, thank you. You Romney shills have no intention of voting for any Pub. candidate, so you are dissing in the wind with your paid DNC comments. Romney will never be elected POTUS. NEVER I have $10,000 that says so. Oh, that was Romney betting. Silly me. I’d comb the Chicago cemeteries for Obama votes before I’d vote for Romney. He sucks…the air out of the base who will never turn out to vote for him.

they lie on February 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Hang in there Newt…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on February 21, 2012 at 4:46 PM

It’s nice that so-called conservatives here are parroting the MSM line that Santorum wants to take away the pill from women. You all know that’s pure BS. He doesn’t want the GOVT TO PAY FOR IT. And isn’t that what you so-called cons want, less govt?

Oh that’s right. You want less govt as delivered by Romney, where govt forces you to buy health insurance.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:47 PM

The Mittbots have truly become unhinged.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Become? I am trying to remember a time when they were sane… The time just is not coming to me. They were unhinged through December.
The got worse after the fake win in Iowa. Remained totally useless after New Hampshire. Went batsh!t crazy after Newt beat Romney in South Carolina. They have just simply never in their existence been anything but unhinged…

astonerii on February 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM

There is “talking about” one’s faith, and then there is dogmatic religious fanaticism. And I’ve got bad news for you: The vast majority of voters can see the difference.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

So, in your view, the vast majority of voters, who are mostly Christian, believe God shouldn’t be spoken of? We should … keep him to ourselves, in our heads? We shouldn’t bring God up in conversation? We should … keep it a secret?

You’re a moron. If you’re a Christian, you might want to rethink what it stands for and put your priorities in order. If you’re not a Christian, you’re very tiny percentage of the voting population and you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM

That should be interesting. What and where exactly is this going to happen tonight?

JPeterman on February 21, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Tonite the Jets and Sharks are gonna rumble!

Deafdog on February 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM

My suspicion is that all of those who keep posting the “Santorum is creepy” comments are actually paid Romney campaign workers or Ron Paul potheads. You’re meaningless.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Bopbottle, like angryed, has been here since the beginning in ’06. Some, like bopbottle and Rational let the anti-Sanitorium propaganda get to them.

Lanceman on February 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Because it didn’t hurt Bush in 2000 or 2004. And it didn’t hurt Reagan in 1980 or 1984. In fact, history seems to show that Republicans do far better in Presidential elections when they don’t shy away from talking about their faith then when they try to hide it. Shoot, most thought McCain’s finest moment in the 2008 campaign was when he sat with Rick Warren at the Saddleback Forum.
Doughboy on February 21, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Is that an apt comparison? I don’t recall Bush or Reagan preaching about the nitty gritty specifics of their faith the way Santorum does. And while, say, Bush talked about the “Evil Empire” I don’t recall him mentioning Satan. Dittos for Reagan and the Soviet Union/Communism.

And yes, I know, the Satan comments were made to Ave Maria University, but generally speaking I have a problem when people don’t specifically identify the threats we face by name (tricks played by Janet Napolitano with the made up phrases like “man caused disaster”). I want to hear that the problem is Communism, Socialism, Radical Islam and so forth, not Satan. For one thing, we can actually defeat Communism…

Buy Danish on February 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM

His views are nutty? Who thinks that? So called “conservatives” who either don’t believe in God, or put smoking weed, watching American Idol, or gay sex higher than God on the importance factor?

Trust me. You people don’t count as much as you think you do in this thing.

My suspicion is that all of those who keep posting the “Santorum is creepy” comments are actually paid Romney campaign workers or Ron Paul potheads. You’re meaningless.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Typical religious fanatic. Anyone who disagrees with your proposed theocracy is gay or smokes pot. You forgot crazy. Gay, drugged up, or crazy, that’s the usual trio of charges by the religious wackos. Is that you, President Ahmadinejad?

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Bush and Reagan NEVER said “Satan” was waging a “spiritual war” against the United States of America, and that all of the nation’s Protestants had “left the world of Christianity,” or that all sex, including married sex, must be about procreation, or that birth control is bad for all women. Don’t you see how nutty that is?!! Your argument is like saying someone who is throwing around the “N” word just wants to talk about race relations. There is “talking about” one’s faith, and then there is dogmatic religious fanaticism. And I’ve got bad news for you: The vast majority of voters can see the difference.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Is Catholic bashing an official Romney campaign blank or is this something that you free-lance at?

Deafdog on February 21, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Romney= Obama with a valid birth certificate. That’s the only difference.

they lie on February 21, 2012 at 4:52 PM

ABRs – How can you forget your Newt-ecstasy so soon. Remember after SC ? Now you pivot to Santorum foe a lot less political experience, zero Executive experience and now a Satan crusader?
Sadly for Richard, there is even more meh where this comes from- and that’s not even getting into his Catholic priest sex abuse scandal position. He blames “Boston” cultural liberalism as a reason for these sick twisted criminals in the Catholic Church for their behavior and their cover-up.

Newt’s over active libido even seems a little more attractive (pun not) then the religiosity debate that the lefties are salivating over. No wonder the Wall St. money man wants to buy him some more newtie love.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

No. Actually, Gregor’s a Christian like me and 78% of America’s population. Don’t Christians have the right to vote and express their opinions, also? Considering the site was founded by one, who is also a Reagan Conservative, I would think we astill do.

kingsjester on February 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Romney= Obama with a valid birth certificate. That’s the only difference.

they lie on February 21, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Like another poster said :” Like obama but don’t like his color? Romney’s your man.”

Lanceman on February 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM

You Romney shills have no intention of voting for any Pub. candidate, so you are dissing in the wind with your paid DNC comments.

they lie on February 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

‘Paid DNC comments’? You’re not quite all there, are you?

Santorum as GOP nominee. Unbelievable. In an election year when we could actually beat a vulnerable incumbent on his dismal economic record alone, some of you want to go with social issues only you and your commie counterparts on the far Left care about.

Whatever happened to ‘making the federal government inconsequential in our daily lives’, anyway?

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM

You might be surprised but forced to choose between socialism and Catholic faith, many will choose socialism. I lived in the USSR for twenty years, and then a decade in Israel. Socialism is awful but theocracy is worse hundredfold. And hey, don’t knock the redhead!

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 4:41 PM

And where did Rick Santorum ever state that he seeks to institute a theocracy if elected President? Did he push that sort of agenda while in Congress? This is a guy who voted to fund Planned Parenthood(albeit indirectly) for God’s sake! I think he’s pretty moderate on religion when it comes to his voting record. You know, if you actually take the time to examine that instead of buying into the most absurd of media-driven narratives. Seriously, when the hell did the Mittbots turn into the Kos kids? Even the anti-Palin people weren’t this intolerant and that’s saying something.

Doughboy on February 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM

So, in your view, the vast majority of voters, who are mostly Christian, believe God shouldn’t be spoken of? We should … keep him to ourselves, in our heads? We shouldn’t bring God up in conversation? We should … keep it a secret?

You’re a moron. If you’re a Christian, you might want to rethink what it stands for and put your priorities in order. If you’re not a Christian, you’re very tiny percentage of the voting population and you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM

You completely dodged my post. Completely dodged it. The POINT of the post was that there is “bringing up God” in conversation, and then there is declaring a holy war being waged by Satan and declaring that ALL Protestants “have left the world of Christianity.” Those are different things. But of course, you know that, which is why you dodged it. You know I am right. Every single Santorum supporter here knows it. Heck, even Rush Limbaugh today, who has been pretty much in the tank for Santorum, after airing these Satan remarks by Santorum just drifted off with “Well, he’s going to have to explain that…” He knew it was an unmitigated disaster with 80% or so of the American voters. It’s out there. It’s on tape. Santorum will never get out from under it. It just reeks of RELIGIOUS FANATIC.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Whatever happened to ‘making the federal government inconsequential in our daily lives’, anyway?

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM

You mean like the govt who mandate health insurance? You Mittbots are hilarious. Your boy gave birth to Obamacare and yet you criticize others for wanting too much govt in your life.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Is Catholic bashing an official Romney campaign blank or is this something that you free-lance at?

Deafdog on February 21, 2012 at 4:52 PM

There wasn’t one bit of Catholic bashing in that post and you know it. That unease you feel, which you really, really want to believe is some kind of Catholic bashing, is actually your horror at seeing in print the actual words Rick Santorum said and the certain knowledge that he will never, ever be elected president of the United States because of it.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 5:00 PM

As someone who is not a Christian in the Biblical sense, and not the least bit religious (ain’t been to church since 1974), I can assure you I have no fear of Santorum taking away birth control, or instituting any kind of Christian sharia law.

I care about jobs and the economy. Santorum is the ‘conservativist’ one left. Oromneycare has to go.

Lanceman on February 21, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Typical religious fanatic. Anyone who disagrees with your proposed theocracy is gay or smokes pot. You forgot crazy. Gay, drugged up, or crazy, that’s the usual trio of charges by the religious wackos. Is that you, President Ahmadinejad?

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Thanks for verifying my point. Either you’re not a Christian, or you simply have no idea what being a Christian is supposed to mean. In your view, apparently, anyone who follows their faith and puts God as priority number one in their lives … is a “religious fanatic.”

Again, you’re either not a Christian, in which case your view here is meaningless, or you THINK you’re a Christian and in your view you can be a Christian and at the same time just go about ignoring various things that Jesus taught us, if you really really don’t want to give it up.

So, people like you believe you can call yourself a Christian, while having sex whenever you want, with whoever you want, with whichever sex you want, murder unborn children, smoke pot, or whatever you happen to fancy. Let me guess … as long as you apologize for it later? Is that how it works?

The bottom line is that Rick Santorum has never made any suggestion at all, or even given any hint that he would be for “outlawing” contraception, yet morons like you want to call him a fanatic because he speaks about satan and about how he’s been taught personally that there are other ways to avoid unwanted prenancies.

Again … you’re either not a Christian, or you believe in God and get really upset when He gets in the way of what you want to do.

Which is it?

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Moron, Obama wants to force the taxpayer to pay for condoms. Santorum says the govt should not pay for it. Only in the twisted mind of a delusional Mittbot is being against govt freebies considered a sign of wanting to dictate how people live.
angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

I don’t agree at all with his rant, but Santorum objects to the imposition of a mandate which forces the religious institutions to go against their conscience. But I don’t know that he’s all that opposed to “govt freebies”. For one thing, he’s been for affirmative action, where people get contracts from the feds based on skin color and gender. Not exactly a freebie but a hugely unfair advantage…

Buy Danish on February 21, 2012 at 5:04 PM

You completely dodged my post.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM

No I didn’t. See above post at 5:03 PM, which is even more accurate now.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

The POINT of the post was that there is “bringing up God” in conversation, and then there is declaring a holy war being waged by Satan and declaring that ALL Protestants “have left the world of Christianity.”

You need to relisten to Santorum’s speech. He never said all Protestants. He mentioned main line Protestants which are the non-Evangelical kind. Please, if you are going to make a point please quote accurately.

Thanks,

PuritanD71 on February 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM

You mean like the govt who mandate health insurance? You Mittbots are hilarious. Your boy gave birth to Obamacare and yet you criticize others for wanting too much govt in your life.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

No, hilarity is watching you Not Romneys offer up as GOP nominee the most unlikeable and least electable candidate since Al Smith solely out of spite. I seem to remember when each of the Not Romney candidates had their day in the sun, of whom only one–Rick Perry–was a viable alternative. And now there’s Rick Santorum, a man who believes Protestants–of which I am one–are not proper Christians, and now you’re busy convincing yourselves a candidate who says incredibly, impossibly self-righteous and alienating things like that can be elected.

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM

I think a lot of you anti-Snobbotorium people have seen ‘Escape From L.A.’ one too many times…

Lanceman on February 21, 2012 at 5:12 PM

a man who believes Protestants–of which I am one–are not proper Christians, and now you’re busy convincing yourselves a candidate who says incredibly, impossibly self-righteous and alienating things like that can be elected.

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Ah, haha. Now we’re getting somewhere. So which part do you take offense to? As a Christian, what does Santorum say that you don’t agree with? Let’s get to the bottom of this, shall we? Please give us a few examples of Santorum beliefs that, as a Christian, you feel should be knocked down in level of importance? What does this Christian Santorum say that creeps you out, with you being a Christian and all? Other than the generic … “he insulted you” and you’re really mad excuse.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Why can’t Romney be trusted to repeal Obamacare? I have heard him several times that the first day he is in office he would sign an EO that will defund the Obamacare agency. They are recorded statements.

Voter from WA State on February 21, 2012 at 5:15 PM

You do know that Romney has said he wants Romneycare in every state, right? That’s been verified by several people who worked on the initial project.

So, we get back to a very simple question for Romneymorons who like to argue that the difference between Romneycare and Obamacare is “state’s rights” …

How many Constitutional protections should states be allowed to ignore exactly? You Romney people seem to be perfectly okay allowing all of the individual states to simply ignore the Constitution unless, of course, it’s something you really care about. Right? Like … gun rights? Or … freedom of speech?

Can Romney give us a list in advance of parts of the Constitution that the states can’t simply ignore? It would be helpful.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Mitt Romney is unelectable

Eph on February 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM

“Uh, people . . . this is a PPP poll. It is worthless.”

True, Santorum is probably up by 20 points

Eph on February 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Again, you’re either not a Christian, in which case your view here is meaningless…

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM

I’ll ask again, is that you President Ahmadinejad?

Guess what, Gregor, you do not get to decide who is and is not a Christian. Are you God? No? Then you probably shouldn’t be impersonating Him. I’m sure there’s some rule about that…somewhere. Maybe here, in James 4:12: “There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?”

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM

You need to relisten to Santorum’s speech. He never said all Protestants. He mentioned main line Protestants which are the non-Evangelical kind. Please, if you are going to make a point please quote accurately.

Thanks,

PuritanD71 on February 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Gee, thanks for clearing that up. **bangs head against wall**

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Guess what, Gregor, you do not get to decide who is and is not a Christian. Are you God? No? Then you probably shouldn’t be impersonating Him.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Nice try, but I didn’t say I knew if you were or were not. I said you were either a Christian who does not understand what it means, or you’re not a Christian. Only you know the answer.

It was a nice try though. You must be a democrat.

You know what I said. Why are you now lying?

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Your boy gave birth to Obamacare and yet you criticize others for wanting too much govt in your life.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

.
Are you still pretending Medicare/Medicaid aren’t “Govt in your life “- as you say – Do you want to alienate Senior citizen voters now? 50 million of them ? If you can’t scare them with Jesus- scare them with HC ?

There is an HC problem you cannot ignore.
Your little world may insulate you – but many many people feel differently than you do.

And when Mittens fixes these problems, you will repent.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Ah, haha. Now we’re getting somewhere. So which part do you take offense to? As a Christian, what does Santorum say that you don’t agree with? Let’s get to the bottom of this, shall we? Please give us a few examples of Santorum beliefs that, as a Christian, you feel should be knocked down in level of importance? What does this Christian Santorum say that creeps you out, with you being a Christian and all? Other than the generic … “he insulted you” and you’re really mad excuse.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:16 PM

My faith is my own, Gregor, as yours is your own. As a Protestant, I honestly don’t care what the Catholic Church does or does not do, seriously. The Pope is no concern of mine. Worship however you please and, as an American, grant to me the same indifference.

What Santorum said–and what he evidently believes–is that “…mainline Protestantism is a shambles. It is gone from the world of Christianity, as I see it.”

As it happens, the woman in my life–the love of my life–is a Catholic from Boston, of all places, so it wouldn’t be fair to say I’m possessed of any seething bigotry toward Catholics or Catholicism, although she and I disagree strongly on the Kennedys, but that’s another discussion entirely.

Anyway, Santorum said it and so far I haven’t heard or seen or read anything which would indicate he repudiates what he’s said about my faith. Now, imagine the impact of that insult radiating out a million-fold, like the world’s biggest rock falling into the world’s largest puddle.

Whether mainline Protestantism is a shambles or not is up to Protestants to decide, not a Catholic politician too stupid to realize that (1) There are lots of Protestants in the United States; and (2) We vote.

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Your little world may insulate you – but many many people feel differently than you do.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM

You mean, that whole 25% number he can’t get over?

And when Mittens fixes these problems, you will repent.

Why would Romney the Socialist fix these problems when he believes they are the way to go? I don’t get it. Why would he fix a system he designed?

Get a grip. Romney’s a pathetic liar who promises everything to everyone, depending on the direction of the wind. He’s a fraud. And you’re a sucker.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Nice try, but I didn’t say I knew if you were or were not. I said you were either a Christian who does not understand what it means, or you’re not a Christian. Only you know the answer.

It was a nice try though. You must be a democrat.

You know what I said. Why are you now lying?

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Gregor, I busted you violating your very own theology. Deal with it. You don’t get to decide if I “understand what it means” to be Christian or if I am a Christian. It isn’t your job to explain to anyone “what it means” for them to be Christian. You are way out of your depth here, brother. You are just illustrating and illustrating why the majority of people do not trust religious fanatics. They seldom live what they preach, so the preaching just becomes louder and louder.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Are you still pretending Medicare/Medicaid aren’t “Govt in your life “- as you say – Do you want to alienate Senior citizen voters now? 50 million of them ? If you can’t scare them with Jesus- scare them with HC ?

There is an HC problem you cannot ignore.
Your little world may insulate you – but many many people feel differently than you do.

And when Mittens fixes these problems, you will repent.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Typical Mittbot answer. I bring up Obamacare you go on a tangent about Medicaid and Medicare. On what planet do senior citizens approve of Obamacare?

Either you’re drunk or a fool. Which is it?

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM

You do know that Romney has said he wants Romneycare in every state, right? That’s been verified by several people who worked on the initial project.
Can Romney give us a list in advance of parts of the Constitution that the states can’t simply ignore? It would be helpful.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM

.
You LIE and obfuscate. Shame on you.
Congress has to repeal Obiecare.
SCOTUS will decide what parts are or aren’t constitutional.
President Romney could not force individual states to adopt anything.
Most states ALREADY have one form or another of an HC program – mostly for children.
You who do not possess the courage or desire to solve one of the largest problem facing this country can keep your head buried in the sand. Its time to reform decades old policy. Remember – for the future?

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Worship however you please and, as an American, grant to me the same indifference.

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

My point exactly. This was also Santorum’s point, exactly. So, in your mind, you are a Christian who believes a person should just worship as they please? You know, like just toss out the stuff you don’t like, and keep the things you do? Which parts are not important? Which parts are important? Is murder okay, not okay, or is that up to each individual to decide and nobody should dictate how they see their faith? How about drug use? Gay sex? Threesomes? Robbery? Assault? Which ones are bad? Which ones are good? Is it up to each individual to decide which Christian guidelines they should follow, or which to ignore?

Apparently, the Christians who are creeped out by Santorum speaking about his beliefs, and of Satan, believe he should just shut up and leave God out of it. Ignore his faith, which teaches him to do exactly what he’s doing. Instead, maybe he should be talking about basketball, or building roads, or taxes. All those things are way more important than God, right?

There are lots of Protestants in the United States; and (2) We vote.

So, Christians should keep their mouths shut, in order to win votes? You mean, deny God? Deny your faith? Just … keep quiet?

Maybe Jesus just should have shut up, to avoid creeping out all the non-believers. He should have kept his opinions to himself, and focused on what was important, like … the cost of sheep’s wool.

I get it. Maybe you ought to rethink priorities, as a Christian.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:45 PM

You don’t get to decide if I “understand what it means” to be Christian or if I am a Christian. It isn’t your job to explain to anyone “what it means” for them to be Christian.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Why are you still lying? I didn’t decide. I didn’t even suggest you were or weren’t a Christian. I said you either were or you weren’t, and I asked you which one it is. Why are you lying?

You’re pathetic.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM

President Romney could not force individual states to adopt anything.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 5:44 PM

LOL! Calm down and get a grip. No, it’s not a lie. It’s a fact. The desire to have it implemented in every state was very much discussed while designing Romneycare.

Also, I never stated that Romney would “force” all states to implement it. My point was that while he might void out the federal Obamacare mandate, he’ll do absolutely nothing to stop states from forcing it on us, which means absolutely nothing will change. It’s smoke and mirrors. Don’t you get it? He’s a classic fraud who says whatever you want to hear.

Romney has never once denied this. He’s never once denied that he believes states can ignore the Constitution. As I asked in a previous comment, I’d love it if you can please list all of the parts of the Constitution that you believe can be completely ignored by the states.

It’s simple reality. If Romney is elected … Obamacare isn’t going anywhere. He might get void the federal program, but he’ll simply repackage it so it’s handled by the states. And if you happen to live in one of those states … would you suddenly be okay with it? Would you yell … “yippie, I approve because it’s a states issue!?

Come on now. Let’s at least be honest.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:57 PM

It isn’t your job to explain to anyone “what it means” for them to be Christian.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 5:40 PM

By the way …

This is a very good point you made. I do NOT get to decide what it means to be Christian. Only God decides that. He explained it to us. He taught us. He showed us how to live, what was wrong, and what was right.

Unfortunately, there are many Christians who choose to make up their own versions. They delete or simply ignore whatever they don’t feel like following. Certain parts that are really tough to follow … just leave them out. He’ll forgive us later, right?

You just agreed with me. Thank you.

Just a note to all the different variations of the faith, such as Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran …

Why do you think we have so many different variations? It’s because over the centuries, humans have taken it upon themselves to alter it to their liking. They don’t like something, toss it out. They think it should be different, just add it.

Santorum speaks of Satan. So what? I understand how that creeps out atheists, but why does it creep out Christians? If you were standing on a hillside listening to Jesus speak to the crowd, would you tell him he’s creeping you out by mentioning Satan?

Many of you are simply afraid to discuss your faith in public. Seriously. Get over it.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Come on now. Let’s at least be honest.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 5:57 PM

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Romney has repeatedly said he would sign the repeal over and over.
He said he would offer the EO waivers to the states on Day 1 if CONGRESS does not pass repeal legislation with a dem senate.
So in your world, a President Romney bypasses state houses and decrees romneycare for all- all the while declaring those judiciaries null and void.

And if California decides they will go the Massachusetts route, we in Florida should not allow it. Medical pot and gay marriage go for it- but we will draw the line on HC. Honestly, what kind of control do you think you have ?

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Mainline Protestant churches, many of them, have rejected Biblical teaching for their own whims, thus they have fallen outside the realm of Christianity into a form of counterfeit Christianity. I say that not as a Catholic, but as a Protestant. And the Bible most assuredly tells us to judge and not to be judgment-free. I covered that a long time ago.

It is dishonest to claim that Santorum said anything about “ALL Protestants” when he, in fact, did not. It is also dishonest to claim that Santorum is a theocrat when his own political history, and his own words, show him not to be. But, you know, if you cannot win by being honest, you can choose to be dishonest, just like Obama and Romney.

John Hitchcock on February 21, 2012 at 6:16 PM

And the Bible already prophesied that many who call themselves Christian in the last days will in fact not be Christians. “Didn’t we say ‘Lord, Lord?’” “I never knew you.” “Since you are luke-warm, I will spew you out of My mouth.” And other examples. The form and not the substance.

John Hitchcock on February 21, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Are you still pretending Medicare/Medicaid aren’t “Govt in your life “- as you say – Do you want to alienate Senior citizen voters now? 50 million of them ? If you can’t scare them with Jesus- scare them with HC ?

There is an HC problem you cannot ignore.
Your little world may insulate you – but many many people feel differently than you do.

And when Mittens fixes these problems, you will repent.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Whoaaa!!!! First time I’ve seen this. So let me get this straight. Romney supporters are down with ObamaCare? We’ve dropped the pretense of trying to repeal it? We’re going to leave it and goose it and make it Republican ObamaCare?

Please tell me I’m wrong with what you’re saying here.

hawkdriver on February 21, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Romney has repeatedly said he would sign the repeal over and over.
He said he would offer the EO waivers to the states on Day 1 if CONGRESS does not pass repeal legislation with a dem senate.
So in your world, a President Romney bypasses state houses and decrees romneycare for all- all the while declaring those judiciaries null and void.

And if California decides they will go the Massachusetts route, we in Florida should not allow it. Medical pot and gay marriage go for it- but we will draw the line on HC. Honestly, what kind of control do you think you have ?

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 6:13 PM

WTH? By your comment before, which is it?

hawkdriver on February 21, 2012 at 6:29 PM

He said he would offer the EO waivers to the states on Day 1 if CONGRESS does not pass repeal legislation with a dem senate.
So in your world, a President Romney bypasses state houses and decrees romneycare for all- all the while declaring those judiciaries null and void.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 6:13 PM

You’re not paying attention.

As I stated previously, he has promised to repeal OBAMACARE, and grant waivers to OBAMACARE, which is … say it with me … the FEDERAL MANDATE.

He has made absolutely zero promises to stop states from installing Romneycare, or their own versions, which means … many will. So, do you think it’s Constitutional to force you to purchase government healthcare, or not? Only in some states? Not at all? Which is it? California, but not Florida?

And if California decides they will go the Massachusetts route, we in Florida should not allow it. Medical pot and gay marriage go for it- but we will draw the line on HC. Honestly, what kind of control do you think you have ?

What kind of control do I think I have? I think you have that backward. I don’t have much control. That’s the point. How much do you think YOU have, to think that you’re going to be able to stop it in Florida if they decide they want Romneycare? What are you going to do, stand up and yell? You going to picket on the corner? Are you going to just move to another state? And what if they install it there too? What if every state decides they want to ignore the Constitution and install it? What if they decide they want to collect all guns? What if they decide they want to take away free speech and outlaw protests? Is that “state’s rights?”

You need to think this through further. I live in California. I don’t exactly get to “decide” if we have government run healthcare. It’s decided for me. I could move, yes, but what happens when the state I move to decides they want to ignore the Constitution as well? Do I just keep moving?

How about we simply nominate someone who wants to protect our Constitutional rights, from both state AND federal dictators?

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Your boy gave birth to Obamacare and yet you criticize others for wanting too much govt in your life.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Romneycare gave birth to Obamacare in the exact same way the creation of the spoken word gave birth to hate speak.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Bush and Reagan NEVER said “Satan” was waging a “spiritual war” against the United States of America,

Nothing nutty about that statement. If you believe there is a Satan, and see the general moral decline of the sexual revolution, then it’s a perfectly plausible belief

and that all of the nation’s Protestants had “left the world of Christianity,”

Mainline Protestants doesn’t mean all Protestants. Neither is it a criticism that is new to Santorum

or that all sex, including married sex, must be about procreation,

Catholic doctrine that I would vehemently disagree with. In fact, I consider it to be harmful to marriages to imply that enjoying their physical bond is somehow wrong.

Still, it’s Catholic doctrine, and even though I consider it misbegotten and unBiblical, it’s not exactly nutty.

or that birth control is bad for all women.

More Catholic doctrine that I disagree with. Birth control has its positive uses, with the exception of abortifacients. Birth control also doesn’t always work, and some forms have side effects, like birth control pills that can even be fatal in rare cases.

Don’t you see how nutty that is?!! Your argument is like saying someone who is throwing around the “N” word just wants to talk about race relations. There is “talking about” one’s faith, and then there is dogmatic religious fanaticism. And I’ve got bad news for you: The vast majority of voters can see the difference.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Not everyone agrees about what constitutes “nutty.” More to the point, I doubt any of the above is considered nutty by most of the country.

tom on February 21, 2012 at 8:32 PM

The Mittbots have truly become unhinged.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

I’m not certain they were ever truly “hinged” in the first place.

29Victor on February 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

My wife was part of this poll. She was very exicted. :)

29Victor on February 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Unfortunately, there are many Christians who choose to make up their own versions. They delete or simply ignore whatever they don’t feel like following. Certain parts that are really tough to follow … just leave them out. He’ll forgive us later, right?

Why do you think we have so many different variations? It’s because over the centuries, humans have taken it upon themselves to alter it to their liking. They don’t like something, toss it out. They think it should be different, just add it.

Gregor on February 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM

There you go again, taking the place of God and telling folks that their Christianity just isn’t up to YOUR standards. Man, I’d hate to be standing next to you in a lightning storm. Tsk, tsk. Get thee back to Bible study!

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Christian denominations (including Roman Catholic)are much like Thomas Jefferson who wrote his own Bible by cutting out the parts he did not like and leaving in the ones he did like. But they are all still believers and good people.

The funny part of Santorum’s Satan Problem is that popular culture sort of believes in Satan, but mistakenly attributes total power to him, which means they must deny that he exist.

The young Mr Santorum dares to believe in a Satan and then posit that Christians can defeat him.

And Santorium really believes that, so he becomes no longer socially acceptable.

jimw on February 21, 2012 at 11:48 PM

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