Rasmussen’s reminder: Majority still favors ObamaCare repeal

posted at 12:15 pm on February 21, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Perhaps Rasmussen’s latest poll on ObamaCare will serve as a reminder to the Republican presidential hopefuls that this will be a very productive line of attack in the general election. Given that the HHS mandate springs directly from ObamaCare, it also serves as a guideline on how to handle that issue as well:

Despite the controversy over the Obama administration’s requirement that Catholic institutions provide free contraceptive coverage for employees, voters’ opinions on the health care law behind that requirement remain steady. Just over half of voters still want the law repealed.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters shows 53% at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law, while 38% oppose repeal. These figures include 41% who Strongly Favor repeal and 28% who are Strongly Opposed.

These findings are little changed from two weeks ago. Even before its passage by Congress in March 2010, most voters opposed the health care law, and they’ve continued to do so in regular tracking since then.  Support for repeal has ranged from a low of 47% to a high of 62%.  Opposition to repeal has ranged from 32% to 44%.

The support for a repeal is pretty broadly based.  Men favor it by a wide margin (62/34, strong positions 51/28), while women are more split on both the overall figure (46/42) and in strength of commitment (33/29 in strong positions).  Every age demo has a plurality or majority in favor of repeal except thirtysomethings, where repeal only gets a 41/52 rating.  Repeal wins in every income demo, too, even among those earning under $20K, 47/42.  Independents support repeal by about the same percentage as the overall population of likely voters (52/38).

The religious demos are also strongly in favor of repeal, none more so than evangelicals (75/18), where almost two-thirds (64%) strongly support repeal.  Protestants and Catholics have nearly the same results at 53/41 and 55/35 respectively, with Protestants slightly more strongly supportive of repeal, 43% to 40%.  The numbers are split among those who rarely or occasionally attend religious service, but for those going at least once a week or more,  more than two-thirds support repeal.

If Republicans — including Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum — can emphasize the issue of the HHS mandate as a predictable exercise of dictatorial power from the ObamaCare bill and pull attention away from the specifics of the mandate, they can both broaden the outrage over the mandate and leverage the political opposition to ObamaCare.  They will have to be more skilled in making that argument, as the debate over the mandate has not impacted these results in the last two weeks, as Rasmussen notes.  The first Republican to force the media to address the issue of unbridled power over the private sector and the impact that has on personal choices and issues of religious conscience could capture some lightning in a bottle.


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Before someone says something about Romney, which is inevitable, ask yourselves what the alternative is..

Oh, that’s right, 50 different versions of Romneycare. Or, in Obama’s alternate universe, 56 different versions of Romneycare.

milcus on February 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Behind every successful man, there is a woman. Behind every defeated candidate, there is Mitt Romney.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Let’s nominate someone who can’t bring the issue up because he’s the father of it.

Herp.

RarestRX on February 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM

LOL and you all want Mittens HA! Yeah lets “keep” some and redo the rest… yeah okay.

watertown on February 21, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Count It!

Del Dolemonte on February 21, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Perhaps Rasmussen’s latest poll on ObamaCare will serve as a reminder to the Republican presidential hopefuls that this will be a very productive line of attack in the general election.

Except possibly for Mitt Romney.

tom on February 21, 2012 at 12:20 PM

No need to think about Rick anymore. Go look at Drudge.

Mirimichi on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Rick Santorum — can emphasize the issue of the HHS mandate as a predictable exercise of dictatorial power from the ObamaCare bill and pull attention away from the specifics of the mandate,

Rick Sanctimonious is too busy trying to find out what is going on in every bedroom in the country to worry about the mandate. And when he isn’t doing that, he is trying to exorcise protestants.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

This still not an election issue. Romney will be your nominee

liberal4life on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Behind every successful man, there is a woman. Behind every defeated candidate, there is Mitt Romney.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM

You mean, like Ted Kennedy?

/Easy

tom on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

I’m betting SCOTUS takes it off the table for us. It’s just a matter of whether they sever the mandate from the rest of the beast.

The Count on February 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Good luck with that repeal if we have a continuation of the Error of Downgrade™.

Chip on February 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Rick Sanctimonious is too busy trying to find out what is going on in every bedroom in the country to worry about the mandate. And when he isn’t doing that, he is trying to exorcise protestants.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Is that Chris Mathews speaking or is it just trendy to be anti-catholic?

Deafdog on February 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM

No need to think about Rick anymore. Go look at Drudge.

Mirimichi on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Preacher in Chief isn’t a job for the POTUS Sanctorum!

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM

The GOP leadership and the Vichy Right are the ones who need to be reminded. They’re the idiots who blew the power that was handed to them in the 2010 elections and started sucking up to Barky From Jakarty and the lunatic dems like it was no ones business. THAT is why this primary season has been so awful, because of the backstabbing by the Weeping Boner and the Vichy Right pundits that started the moment the biggest Congressional sweep in 7 decades was over and the Vichy Right immediately colluded with the Dems and the Indonesian on that repulsive and illegal (it really was, violating every bit of the spirit of the law) lame duck session. Then Barky had the idiotic gall to announce that it had been “the most productive lame duck session in history” [or something to that effect] when there isn’t supposed to be any production in a lame duck session.

And then all of our primary candidates (save Bachmann and Santorum) did away with even bothering to talk about repealing ObamaCare, with Mittens trying to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes with that idiotic “repeal and replace”. What an idiot.

Repealing ObamaCare is the NUMBER ONE job of the next President/Congress. Period. It was supposed to be the NUMBER ONE job of this pathetic GOP House, but they are losers, idiots and crybabies.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM

No need to think about Rick anymore. Go look at Drudge.

Mirimichi on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Meh.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 21, 2012 at 12:24 PM

I’d like to support Romney – but this is too much of an albatross.

22044 on February 21, 2012 at 12:24 PM

More bad news for Rom-zombie.

abobo on February 21, 2012 at 12:25 PM

It’s too bad I don’t believe that Romney is in that 53%; or that he’d be willing to spend any capital to repeal it.

besser tot als rot on February 21, 2012 at 12:25 PM

The only saving grace for Romney is if the Supreme Court strikes the law down.

22044 on February 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Is that Chris Mathews speaking or is it just trendy to be anti-catholic?

Deafdog on February 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM

It has always been trendy to be anti-Christian. Even Christians attack other Christians.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

If you follow the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, you’ve probably noticed the spike in Strong Approval at the (end of January/beginning of February) 2010. It jumped up 10 points, from 25% to 35%, but then quickly came back to earth.

Why?

Because Obama initially indicated that he was going to “pivot” away from Obamacare to focus on job creation. His numbers shot up. But then, he quickly pivoted right back to Obamacare and his numbers dropped right back down.

The numbers did rise again after Obamacare was passed, but I think that was due to a diffent demographic… those were Democrats who were happy that something had been passed.

But that first spike represented people Obama needs to swing in his favor… independents.

ITguy on February 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM

It has always been trendy to be anti-Christian. Even Christians attack other Christians.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

then you’re joe cool.

Deafdog on February 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM

No need to think about Rick anymore. Go look at Drudge.

Mirimichi on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

*facepalm*

catwrangler on February 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM

RomneycareObamacare is opposed by Mittens? Let’s see, I want to make sure I understand this logic. Romneycare is the blueprint for Obamacare, which Romney sayshe will repeal, but Romneycare is great and he vigorously defends it. I love that logic. And you Mittbots, please don’t make yourselves look foolish. Don’t cloud the issue with the 10th amendment straw man.

they lie on February 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM

tom on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Like Sarah Palin, T-Paw, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, and Gingrich. Next up is the candidate running for Preacher in Chief…..Rick Sanctimonious.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Drudge headline

“SANTORUM’S SATAN WARNING”

liberal4life on February 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Let’s nominate someone who can’t bring the issue up because he’s the father of it.

Herp.

RarestRX on February 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM

ya mean like WillardCare MittCare RomneyCare?

SparkPlug on February 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

then you’re joe cool.

Deafdog on February 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Which Christians do I attack for being Christians?

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM

No need to think about Rick anymore. Go look at Drudge.

Mirimichi on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Uhmm, try actually reading the article, it is a big nothing burger. All Santorum really said is evil attacks America and seeks to destroy it. Using Satan’s name for evil is nothing new and what drudge posted will not disturb most rational voters.

A big fat MEH

Skwor on February 21, 2012 at 12:31 PM

OT: Peter Gleick lied…shocking!

d1carter on February 21, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Drudge headline

“SANTORUM’S SATAN WARNING”

liberal4life on February 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

OMG what about this??!!! elventy 11

“Obama said his proposal to raise taxes on wealthy Americans is in accordance with the teachings of Jesus Christ.”

Skwor on February 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM

*facepalm*

catwrangler on February 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM

My sentiments exactly. When you are ahead, shutup.

Mirimichi on February 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Apparently the support repealing obamacare because it’s what all the cool kids are supporting and for no other reason. Because they are still close to re-electing the dufuses who brought us o-care.

yhxqqsn on February 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Romneycare is the blueprint for Obamacare, which Romney sayshe will repeal, but Romneycare is great and he vigorously defends it. I love that logic. And you Mittbots, please don’t make yourselves look foolish. Don’t cloud the issue with the 10th amendment straw man.

they lie on February 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Romneycare is the blueprint for Obamacare in the same respect that the creation of the English language is the blueprint for hate speak.

Romney defends Romneycare as a solution to Reagan signing EMTALA into law. It is a fiscally conservative solution to the single payer system that would have been railroaded through the 85% dem controlled legislature. Obamacare is an experiment in social engineering.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM

No need to think about Rick anymore. Go look at Drudge.

Mirimichi on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Mirimichi:Must I do all the work around here!(snark)

O/T,as per Drudge/SANTORUM’S SATAN WARNING
============================================

Here is the Audio/Transcript!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And yes,I know,its a ProgTard Site!

Santorum: Satan is Systematically Destroying America
Thu, 02/16/2012 – 4:12pm
****************************

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/santorum-satan-systematically-destroying-america

canopfor on February 21, 2012 at 12:31 PM

canopfor on February 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Mitt Romney can toot his own horn. And he does.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:35 PM

d1carter on February 21, 2012 at 12:31 PM

That deserves its own thread.

22044 on February 21, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Which Christians do I attack for being Christians?

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Are you being ironic? Just a few posts above you wrote this:

Like Sarah Palin, T-Paw, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, and Gingrich. Next up is the candidate running for Preacher in Chief…..Rick Sanctimonious.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

I’m not a big Santorum fan, but attacking the man for a speech from 2008 to a Catholic University seems silly. What other professions would you exclude people of faith from? What are the ‘approved’ religious views for President?

Your vitriol against people of faith is banal.

Deafdog on February 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Uhmm, try actually reading the article, it is a big nothing burger. All Santorum really said is evil attacks America and seeks to destroy it. Using Satan’s name for evil is nothing new and what drudge posted will not disturb most rational voters.

Skwor on February 21, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Most rational voters don’t believe in Satan. Well, unless you count the black guy in the White House that wants newborn sacrifices and enslaved population.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

The White House contender described how Satan is even taking hold of some religions.

“We look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it.”

Uhmm, try actually reading the article, it is a big nothing burger. All Santorum really said is evil attacks America and seeks to destroy it. Using Satan’s name for evil is nothing new and what drudge posted will not disturb most rational voters.

A big fat MEH

Skwor on February 21, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Yes, I did read it. The big dummy is now attacking Protestants.

Mirimichi on February 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Most rational voters don’t believe in Satan. Well, unless you count the black guy in the White House that wants newborn sacrifices and enslaved population.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Sorry but since more people believe in a God than not and of those most believe in a hell and great thinkers like Jefferson, Lincoln, Newten, Galileo also believed in God you are wrong.

There is very little support for the concept that only atheists are rational thinkers. So please drop the inference.

Skwor on February 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Yes, I did read it. The big dummy is now attacking Protestants.

Mirimichi on February 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Newsflash, most protestant faiths are actually preaching this very message right now and calling for a revival, that actually places Santorum in a very good place politically among them.

Skwor on February 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM

o/t Rush saying right now what a lot of us have been saying for months: Mitt is in the trouble that he is in because the GOP convinced him to run a general election campaign in the primary.

Kataklysmic on February 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM

*facepalm*

catwrangler on February 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Only for atheists and agnostics.

Sporty1946 on February 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Given that the HHS mandate springs directly from ObamaCare

With a growing number of the 99% fearful of global warming, how long will it be before the administration mandates health insurors provide Chevy Volts to policy holders suffering from Global Anxiety Syndrome?

Fairness dictates that no American should be deprived of their environmental rights.

MessesWithTexas on February 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

o/t Rush saying right now what a lot of us have been saying for months: Mitt is in the trouble that he is in because the GOP convinced him to run a general election campaign in the primary.

Kataklysmic on February 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM

That is a really good point. Attack all the other GOP’ers relentlessly like they are evil, but call Obama a “nice man”.
Winning Strategy!

BakerAllie on February 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Yes, I did read it. The big dummy is now attacking Protestants.

Mirimichi on February 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

The former senator from Pennsylvania warned in 2008 how politics and government are falling to Satan.

Are you implying this is happening now?

Chip on February 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Most rational voters don’t believe in Satan.
 
Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

 
Interestingly, that’s pretty much exactly what Santorum said:
 

“We look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it.”

rogerb on February 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM

tom on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Like Sarah Palin, T-Paw, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, and Gingrich. Next up is the candidate running for Preacher in Chief…..Rick Sanctimonious.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

You have to inflate his stats by saying he beat people who aren’t even running?

/Easier

tom on February 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

And, FYI, we’re going to need a supermajority in the Senate to gut Obamacare if the SCOTUS can’t do it.

Romney isn’t going to do anything to pull down Obamacare. He’s just going to “manage it better”. And he may just veto a Republican repeal of Obamacare.

Santorum won’t.

Nethicus on February 21, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Yes, I did read it. The big dummy is now attacking Protestants.

Mirimichi on February 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

He’s correct. My denomination – Methodist – has been taken over by a bunch of liberals. I have read anecdotes of it happening in other denominations as well.

Sporty1946 on February 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

There is very little support for the concept that only atheists are rational thinkers. So please drop the inference.

Skwor on February 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM

The statement about rationality of atheists redefines “groundless”. Do you have any numeric data to back it up? Oh wait, numbers are for infidels, Santorum told you so!

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Your vitriol against people of faith is banal.

Deafdog on February 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

I criticize religious bigots. Sanctorum is a religious bigot. The speech he gave in 2008 is proof of that.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Romneycare is the blueprint for Obamacare, which Romney sayshe will repeal, but Romneycare is great and he vigorously defends it. I love that logic. And you Mittbots, please don’t make yourselves look foolish. Don’t cloud the issue with the 10th amendment straw man.

they lie on February 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Romneycare is the blueprint for Obamacare in the same respect that the creation of the English language is the blueprint for hate speak.

Romney defends Romneycare as a solution to Reagan signing EMTALA into law. It is a fiscally conservative solution to the single payer system that would have been railroaded through the 85% dem controlled legislature. Obamacare is an experiment in social engineering.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM

They lie .. they spin.

Tell us again how Romneycare was a small government free-market solution. I enjoyed that one.

tom on February 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

That deserves its own thread.

22044 on February 21, 2012 at 12:35 PM

The warmists are going nuts all over the place…LOL

d1carter on February 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM

This still not an election issue. Romney will be your nominee

liberal4life on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

It’s betting the basement!

KOOLAID2 on February 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Behind every successful man, there is a woman. Behind every defeated candidate, there is Mitt Romney.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM

The truth is: behind every good woman is a good behind.

Bevan on February 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Behind every successful man, there is a woman. Behind every defeated candidate, there is Mitt Romney.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM

I thought Santorum objects to a man being behind another man.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

tom on February 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

T-Paw was a candidate until he came up against Romney.

And St Palin the Victimized declined to run because Romney was beating her in the polling….among the GOP even!

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

The statement about rationality of atheists redefines “groundless”. Do you have any numeric data to back it up? Oh wait, numbers are for infidels, Santorum told you so!

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I will remind you that you made the inference about rationality not being among the religious, ergo only an atheist state so the burden of proof rests on your shoulders.

What exactly are your numbers and proof for the first proposed fact of this discussion which you opened with:

Most rational voters don’t believe in Satan. Well, unless you count the black guy in the White House that wants newborn sacrifices and enslaved population.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Skwor on February 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

I’m betting SCOTUS takes it off the table for us. It’s just a matter of whether they sever the mandate from the rest of the beast.

The Count on February 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM

They will split the baby and strip out the mandate. This is the worst possible outcome. If SCOTUS “compromises” and strikes the mandate as unconstitutional, but leaves the balance of the law intact, it will bankrupt private insurers and throw us screeching into the abyss that is single-payer.

Total repeal is going to be the only solution unless SCOTUS surprises and kills the entire thing.

Lost in Jersey on February 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Drudge headline

“SANTORUM’S SATAN WARNING”

liberal4life on February 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Somebody is calling you!

KOOLAID2 on February 21, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Somebody is calling you!

KOOLAID2 on February 21, 2012 at 12:55 PM

They talk regularly.

Sporty1946 on February 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM

The truth is: behind every good woman is a good behind.

Bevan on February 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM

A 8utt man are you?

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Romneycare is the blueprint for Obamacare, which Romney sayshe will repeal, but Romneycare is great and he vigorously defends it. I love that logic. And you Mittbots, please don’t make yourselves look foolish. Don’t cloud the issue with the 10th amendment straw man.

they lie on February 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM

1. SCOTUS has a thing or two to say about it.

2. After repeal, good Americans will want to know what plan REPLACES obie-care. After all- Pre-existing coverage, young adult and catastrophic coverage as well as other changes the Insurance companies hate- AINT GOING AWAY- so American’s will want some change in Health Care dilemma- not just ignored.

3. Mitt Rominee has way more experience working on Health Care legislation isues than we could ever hope for. The perfect candidate for post-repeal HC! – I see him hooking up with the HERITAGE FOUNDATION AGAIN to solve the problems that plague the problems with health care- MANDATE FREE.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I thought Santorum objects to a man being behind another man.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

A thought just occurred…..perhaps Sanctorum is protesting too much about it?

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

A thought just occurred…..perhaps Sanctorum is protesting too much about it?

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Ok. We get it. You are a Romney butt boy.

Sporty1946 on February 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Yes, I did read it. The big dummy is now attacking Protestants.

Mirimichi on February 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Eh. Jews have long said the same sort of thing about Reform Judaism. It’s true.

Where I grew up, Episcopal Academy was one of the best schools around. It was over half reform Jews! Seriously. Chapel and all.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 21, 2012 at 1:04 PM

What exactly are your numbers and proof for the first proposed fact of this discussion which you opened with:

Most rational voters don’t believe in Satan. Well, unless you count the black guy in the White House that wants newborn sacrifices and enslaved population.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Skwor on February 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

You want me to prove a negative? Talk about rationality and logic. Let’s check anecdotal evidence. Have you ever seen Satan? Have any of your friends? Relatives? Mother in law doesn’t count. Oh, I forgot, Santorum obviously did. Maybe they are big pals.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

2. After repeal, good Americans will want to know what plan REPLACES obie-care. After all- Pre-existing coverage, young adult and catastrophic coverage as well as other changes the Insurance companies hate- AINT GOING AWAY- so American’s will want some change in Health Care dilemma- not just ignored.

Incorrect. Wrong. Mistaken. Dumb.

And 24 years old is not “young adult”. That’s an adult. As far as being forced to cover pre-existing conditions, that is beyond stupid. Next, you’ll want to force life insurers not to give physicals – “Discrimination against the dying!!”

Repeal. Period. There was no “crisis” in health insurance. There is now, though.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

He’s correct. My denomination – Methodist – has been taken over by a bunch of liberals. I have read anecdotes of it happening in other denominations as well.

Sporty1946 on February 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I agree. Lutheran church is suffering the same problems.

Bitter Clinger on February 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM

tom on February 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

T-Paw was a candidate until he came up against Romney.

And St Palin the Victimized declined to run because Romney was beating her in the polling….among the GOP even!

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

That spin gives new meaning to the word lame.

But it is interesting how you concede that it’s counter-intuitive for Republicans to vote for Romney.

tom on February 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Only for atheists and agnostics.

Sporty1946 on February 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Welllll…I’m a Christian, and I cringe about trying to defend him when he says things like this. I WILL vote for whomever is the party nominee, but I don’t think this is a good route to go.

catwrangler on February 21, 2012 at 1:22 PM

This still not an election issue. Romney will be your nominee

liberal4life on February 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Y’know, the reason why people like Tokyo Rose were occasionally effective is because some of what they said was at least somewhat believable. You’re doing it wrong.

CurtZHP on February 21, 2012 at 1:22 PM

RomneyCare is really the only issue that makes me pine for a different candidate. Romney has a nuanced defense of his plan vs ObamaCare, but national campaigns are not known as a realm of nuance. He argues the primary difference is that ObamaCare is a federal mandate and that the states are the proper place for experimentation. Granted, but insisting on the success of RomneyCare in the face of the evidence is a loser. It severely constrains his ability to attack Obama. Anyone who cares about federalism is already in the “puddle of warm spit over Obama” camp.

Worse yet is that there will be a strange mixed message between the presidential compaign and conservative down-ticket races. The contradiction will weaken both especially in marginal races. Acknowledging the failings of the Massachusetts system can be used simultaneously as a vindication of federalism and a powerful attack on ObamaCare. Romney need only be humble enough to own failure.

deadman on February 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Must suck to be csdeven, carrying the media’s water and not even getting paid for it.

CurtZHP on February 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM

And 24 years old is not “young adult”. That’s an adult. As far as being forced to cover pre-existing conditions, that is beyond stupid. Next, you’ll want to force life insurers not to give physicals – “Discrimination against the dying!!”

Repeal. Period. There was no “crisis” in health insurance. There is now, though.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

.
Wouldn’t it be great if life was that easy. Kinda like a reset button. If it ain’t broke – don’t fix it ! LOL – You’ve got 75 million boomers coming through- and that’s a big problem. Go ahead. Ignore the problem- You’ll be just fine.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Most rational voters don’t believe in Satan.
 
Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

 
You want me to prove a negative?
 
Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

 
I do not think that means what you think it means.
 
Belief in Satan is ~60-70% of the population per polls cited by Reuters, NYT, ABC, etc.
 
That means “don’t believe in Satan” would be ~30% or so.

rogerb on February 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Wouldn’t it be great if life was that easy. Kinda like a reset button. If it ain’t broke – don’t fix it ! LOL – You’ve got 75 million boomers coming through- and that’s a big problem. Go ahead. Ignore the problem- You’ll be just fine.

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

That is a problem with SS, Medicare and MediCAID (MediCAID is its own major problem, much worse than SS or MediCare). That is NOT a problem with the normal health insurance needs of private individuals and their health care. The government has no business – and there is not moral defense – in trying to screw up the health insurance/health care of the bulk of the population (who have their individual rights) just to make things not look so bad in the incredible federal government f#ck-ups of SS, MediCare and the unbelievably dangerous and incidious nature of MediCAID (which is supercharged by ObamaCare and means that ObamaCare absolutely, positively, definitely, completely must be gone if we are to have any chance at saving this nation). This is not hyperbole. Nothing drains the finances so quickly and completely as guaranteeing endless amounts of medical care to those who can’t pay and MediCAID will be the death of the US just like the little, itty-bitty KikiCare ran out of its budget window in less than 6 months and had to be shut down. IT doesn’t matter where the death panels eventually put themselves, the costs will be absolutely unbelievable and devastating and will grow and grow and grow without bound, not to mention the intrusion into all parts of our lives that the feral government then feels entitled to “because the feral government is paying for it”.

This is where the fight for America has to be joined before anything else – to get completely rid of ObamaCare. Your ideas about what sacrifices you want to force on uninvolved third parties to save feral government programs that are the source of the problem could hardly be further from mine.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 21, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Best thing about ObamaCare: everyone (including the MSM) calls it that. NO ONE calls it PPACA or “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.” He and it are joined at the neck. Whatever else the eventual Republican nominee does, making the election a referendum on ObamaCare should be job #1.

Marcola on February 21, 2012 at 1:36 PM

He’s correct. My denomination – Methodist – has been taken over by a bunch of liberals. I have read anecdotes of it happening in other denominations as well.

Sporty1946 on February 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

See O’Sullivan’s Law.

slickwillie2001 on February 21, 2012 at 1:39 PM

They ain’t seen nothing yet, wait until the special surtax on capital gains kicks in, and the tax on real estate sales, and the IRS fines, etc, etc. We have barely scratched the surface of Bammiecare, and the average American has no idea of the horrors that lie within.

slickwillie2001 on February 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM

FlaMurph on February 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

My reply to you got eaten. I must have slipped a bad word in there. It was too long to rewrite. In short, you describe a problem for SS and Medicare, not health insurance or health care, in general. You are not allowed to screw up everyone else’s private insurance and care in order to cover the problems with the feral government programs.

On top of that, MediCAID must be cut before either SS or Medicare, since it is supported by NOTHING and is purely a state responsibility. At least, with SS and Medicare you could argue that it was self-funded (yeah … a bad joke, I know, but you could still say it). Well, MediCAID is super-charged in ObamaCare. That is an additional (and near most important) reason that ObamaCare just has to be done away with. That’s it.

And stop trying to defend forcing insurance companies to ignore their actuarial tables. That is a totally indefensible position. And pretty nasty, when it comes down to it. You want to cover people who are known to cost, say, $40,000/month in care? Well, good. You pay for them. Don’t tell an insurance company that they have to offer full insurance for $300/month to that person who is known to cost $40,000/month. I mean, just think about it for a second.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Welllll…I’m a Christian, and I cringe about trying to defend him when he says things like this. I WILL vote for whomever is the party nominee, but I don’t think this is a good route to go.

catwrangler on February 21, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Well, you must be one of those Sunday-go-to-meeting Christians who makes appearances at church for appearances or socializing. If you find it hard to defend what Santorum said then you must find it even more difficult to defend the Bible and it’s teachings.

So sad.

Sporty1946 on February 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM

I don’t understand the logic of people who insist that Romney is in no position to attack Obamacare because of Romneycare. The fact that Romney enacted something similar to Obamacare on the state level, in a very Liberal state, puts him in a perfect position to come off as being pragmatic in his opposition to Obamacare on the national level.

It’s like being able to tell Liberals that FDR, champion of labor unions that he was, was adamantly against public unions. Coming from someone like that, opposition to public unions has more credibility than it would coming from someone who is percieved as anti-union in general. The same way that opposition to the contraceptive and abortion mandate has more credibility coming from someone like Joe Lieberman, as opposed to someone like Allen West.

ardenenoch on February 21, 2012 at 1:57 PM

I have wondered for some time now? The photo you use with this article, are these two “WHITE COATS” actually doctors? If so where and what kind?

jpcpt03 on February 21, 2012 at 2:42 PM

I’m a conservative Protestant, and I’ve thought and said for years that mainline Protestant denominations are in shambles. This really is a big nothing. I think the Southern Baptists are the only exception.

As for ObamaCare, of course this is a problem for Mitt. It’s spin and denial to say otherwise.

ObamaCare is massive government control.

Romney still doesn’t get it. In December he defended the MA mandate as a conservative principle because it makes people take personal responsibility for health insurance. That is silly. If he really thinks that he’s clueless about liberty and government.

INC on February 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM

So sad.

Sporty1946 on February 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Wait. You don’t know me. You don’t need to feel sad for me, though. No need to be judgmental. Not saying he isn’t right in some respects. HOWEVER, this is an important election. Don’t want to blow it. He just sounds so extreme.

I won’t hold your attack against me personally.

catwrangler on February 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

obamacare? the real issues confronting america today are casting out demons, burning infidels, hunting witches, ensuring the earth is recognized as being made flat by god, rechristening our founding fathers as espousing certain religious beliefs that perfectly reflect our own ( conveniently when they are dead and cannot protest or state their own opinions of the matter of their own beliefs), keeping women bare foot and pregnant in the home where they belong, and stopping sodomites and of course- satan.

besides that, i like mandates. mandates work.

if we focus on the snake we’ll miss the scorpion. everyone will lose the ability to worship freely as they wish if we resist focusing on the constitution and the rights it recognizes as belonging to everyone not just to the religious. because people are admittedly not christians-or find mystical beliefs ridiculous and irrational- is not an attack on you or your religion. it’s a disagreement. it is a statement of someone else’s personal beliefs and opinions to which everyone is entitled . i may reject certain religious beliefs which is my right but i do not reject the bill of rights. protect the bill of rights and we’ll all be equally protected.

christians in egypt are really being attacked -being oppressed, denied the right to worship, being killed. that’s an attack against a religion. people thinking your beliefs are ridiculous, regressive, irrational, immoral, or plain old stupid – the right to critique religious institutions- establishing that right to one’s on conscience- is what made a free america possible. all the other rights flow from the right to freedom of religious belief- or lack thereof. it’s freedom of conscience- securing that freedom ensures all the rest.

mittens on February 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM

mittens on February 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM

You don’t have to take the word of Conservatives regarding the beliefs of our Founding Fathers… READ THEIR OWN WORDS. Our Founding Fathers made LOTS of references to not “the God of Nature”, but also their personal belief in the salvation of Jesus Christ.

And Christians (as well as most others) have not believed in a flat earth. The Greeks demonstrated in early times that the Earth was indeed round. There were a few “miscalculations” as the accurate size. But concept of Christians believing in a flat-earth was propaganda spread in the 1800s to try and make Christians look ignorant.

And yes, real Christians believe in a real Satan. Jesus himself referenced him MANY times. And yes, there is a very real spiritual war going on.

Other than those, I’m not sure where you were going with the rest of your comment.

dominigan on February 21, 2012 at 8:06 PM