Rasmussen tracking poll shows Romney and Santorum within 2 points of Obama

posted at 10:30 am on February 21, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

For all of the talk about the damage being done from a spirited Republican primary to GOP hopes, at least one indicator shows both leading candidates making gains against Barack Obama in polling.  Rasmussen’s daily tracking poll regularly tests head-to-head general-election matchups, and both Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum register at or near their strongest position:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -15 (see trends).

In potential Election 2012 matchups, both Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum have pulled to within two points of the president. Obama leads Romney 45% to 43% and if Santorum is the Republican nominee, the president leads 46% to 44%. Matchup results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern.

Today’s results are the closest Romney has been since shortly after the Florida primary. For Santorum, only once in polling since July 2011 has he performed better in a polling matchup than today.

That’s not the only good news for both Republicans from pollsters today.  Gallup’s new national poll has very good news for Santorum, and a silver lining for Romney:

Rick Santorum now holds a 10-percentage-point lead in Gallup’s Daily tracking of national Republicans registered voters’ preferences for the 2012 GOP nomination.

In the Feb. 15-19 Gallup Daily tracking rolling average, Santorum is ahead of Romney by 36% to 26%, with Newt Gingrich at 13% and Ron Paul at 11%. This marks Santorum’s largest lead to date. Santorum had moved to within two points of Romney, 30% to 32%, by the end of last week.

Prior to Santorum’s surge, Romney led Santorum 37% to 16% in Gallup Daily tracking ending Feb. 6, the day before Santorum won primaries and caucuses in Minnesota, Missouri, and Colorado.

The good news for Romney?  The electability argument still carries a lot of weight:

In a separate USA Today/Gallup survey conducted Feb. 16-19, all Americans were asked which of the two candidates — Romney or Santorum — they believed would have the best chance of beating Barack Obama in November. Overall, 54% of Americans named Romney and 29% chose Santorum.

Fewer Republicans are undecided on this issue, leaving 58% who say Romney has the best chance of beating Obama, while 32% choose Santorum.

However, the Rasmussen results tend to indicate that both candidates would have roughly equal standing against Obama in a general election, at least at the moment among likely voters.  The USA Today/Gallup results are based on perception of the candidacies rather than actual support in a head-to-head matchup.  It’s a measure of the Romney campaign’s success that this perception remains so strong in the minds of voters, but if Romney loses Michigan and Arizona next week to Santorum, it’s a perception that may not last for very long.  As long as it remains, though, this perception will exert a significant amount of influence on undecided voters in those states to break Romney’s way in the final days and hours before their primaries.


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First, Justin Bieber isn’t evil, he’s just Canadian.

Have you listened to his “music”? Justin Bieber is both Canadian AND evil.

guitarman67 on February 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM

El Dillo on February 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

hehehehehe…I know

I just thought it was re-post worthy

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Mitt Romney’s sons…..not so much.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM

One of his sons is a doctor who undoubtedly save lives. Time for you to support Romney because of his sons choice of career.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM

The islands in question have been American territory for well over a century. The agreement to give them away was drawn up in secrecy, as is so often the case under Obamunist “transparency.”

Akzed on February 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Doesn’t that kind of thing need Senate approval?

steebo77 on February 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 12:41 PM

shut up loser

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Joe Biden’s son served.
Sarah Palin’s son served.
Mitt Romney’s sons…..not so much.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Your point being?

GWB was probably the last “Presidential son” to have served in the military. And the last one before that was LBJ’s son-in-law Chuck Robb who had to serve what with LBJ’s sending off all those Americans to Vietnam. And the one before that would have been FDRs sons during WWII.

In other words, it’s pretty rare that Presidential offspring have served.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Drudge is going full steam on Santorum

liberal4life on February 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Drudge is going full steam on Santorum

liberal4life on February 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM

shut up loser

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Mitt was chosen to be a missionary…

right2bright on February 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Uh-huh. ‘Cause that’s how it works. /

I have no idea….

right2bright on February 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM

You should’ve stopped there.

Syzygy on February 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

No he doesn’t. Especially not in the article you linked to.

steebo77 on February 21, 2012 at 12:41 PM

My mistake. Not all, just Protestants.

“And of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is a shambles. It is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it…..”

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

First, Justin Bieber isn’t evil, he’s just Canadian.

El Dillo on February 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

This is the most compelling case for closing our northern borders I’ve seen yet.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Pat yourselves on the back, you guys have done your good deed for the day, poor DHChron has been trolling these threads desperately looking for attention, any kind of attention. Thanks for throwing him a bone.

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Sorry, I missed the memo of who I was and wasn’t allowed to comment with.

hawkdriver on February 21, 2012 at 12:49 PM

this election has never been about who the gop nominee is. This election is and will be an vote on Obama’s term. so why in the name of all that is holy would we nominate someone like Mitt who is simply a dem with an R behind his name?

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Sorry, I missed the memo of who I was and wasn’t allowed to comment with.

hawkdriver on February 21, 2012 at 12:49 PM

you can comment with me anytime hawkdriver :)

next time don’t be so tough on me :(

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Top of Drudge…. (though I suppose it’s linked upthread – just got home)

I told you – I told you – I told you….

They’re going to mock Santorum’s Church-Lady, Dana-Carvey, SATAN act right out of the general election and into the laughing stocks.

If you haven’t ever watched Dana Carvey’s “Church Lady” character on the threat of “Satan,” then you’d better watch here:

YouTube link to Dana Carvey giving a lecture on “Satan” on Saturday Night Live as the “Church Lady.”

Guys, I don’t know how Santorum can go this straight into the heart of the Beast and not get shredded.

There are too many “hip” voters who would rather mock God than dare elect Santorum once Hollywood and the MSM get through with him.

Maybe I’m wrong. And guess what = I AGREE with Santorum’s assessment 100&! But there are so many agnostics in this country who don’t want their lack of faith held up to the mirror, and that’s what Santorum does. This will drive them away.

Man, oh man…..

Church Lady has already reared her head and it’s not even March yet.

I’m telling you… if it isn’t Romney or Gingrich, 0bama’s going to win.

cane_loader on February 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM

shut up loser

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

How much money is Romney paying the drudgereport? Their blatant cheer-leading for Romney is a disgrace to any “objectivity” they ever had

liberal4life on February 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Just tell me to “Shut up loser”. I need to go hang some drywall anyways.

hawkdriver on February 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

How much money is Romney paying the drudgereport? Their blatant cheer-leading for Romney is a disgrace to any “objectivity” they ever had

liberal4life on February 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

hahahahahaha

you said Drudge and objectivity in the same sentence

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

3. Gas at $100 a gallon will still be blamed on Bush by the MSM/Obama machine.

angryed on February 21, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Yes, but I think that meme might be starting to wear thin.

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Just tell me to “Shut up loser”. I need to go hang some drywall anyways.

hawkdriver on February 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

;)

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

In this election year, with Obama as President, nominating Rick Santorum, whom I like as an individual, will be the most moronic thing republicans will have ever done.

We’ll have a candidate who has the “right” ideology, but one who’ll lose to Obama. And in that case, what good is having the right ideology, if Obama will still be President?

It reminds me of the Billy Joel song “Angry Young Man”

“I once believed in causes too, had my pointless point of view
Life went on no matter who was wrong or right.

And there’s always a place for the angry young man
With his fist in the air and his head in the sand
He’s never been able to learn from mistakes
He can’t understand why his heart always breaks
His honor is pure, and his courage as well
He’s fair and he’s true, and he’s boring as hell
And he’ll go to his grave as an angry old man.”

bigdubs on February 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Congressman Fred Upton, 6th District

Well, if anything, Romney received the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Cover Uncle’s support in Michigan!

Go Mitt!

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Yes, but I think that meme might be starting to wear thin.

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

shut up loser

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM

This is the most compelling case for closing our northern borders I’ve seen yet.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Well, they did give us hockey, poutine, Elisha Cuthbert, and Rachel McAdams, so they’re still in “more pros than cons” territory.

El Dillo on February 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM

shut up loser

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Dude, seriously, how does Santorum fight this?

He’s the Church Lady in a sweater, and I LIKE Santorum! :-(

Top of Drudge.

This reminds me of 43-year-old Bert Blyleven trying to blow his 85-mph “fastball” past a juiced-up Mark McGwire.

Guys, this scares me as bad as the thought of Perry trying to debate 0bama and just losing it on national television.

cane_loader on February 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Yes, but I think that meme might be starting to wear thin.

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Before I go, excuse the comment I made. I was on my way out and replied too quickly to yours. I do understand your point. There are certain trolls I never feed. There are certain comments I won’t pass.

hawkdriver on February 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM

cane_loader on February 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM

you still don’t get it do you. We tried to tell you when they did this with Palin. It doesn’t matter who it is they will laugh at you, they will ridicule you. they think republicans are stupid. If we put up Mitt SNL will be running skits about Mormons or carrying dogs on top of their cars, or have Mitt fire people. I can see a skit where they make Mitt as a Trump figure with the POTUS seal infront of him telling blue collar workers they are FIRED. If you are looking for a candidate the other side will not laugh at switch parties.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 12:58 PM

How much money is Romney paying the drudgereport? Their blatant cheer-leading for Romney is a disgrace to any “objectivity” they ever had

Ha, it’s not like HA is any better. They don’t even have a stock “bad photo” of Rick to use with critical posts they way they do with every other pol. Only flattering ones.

Anyway, I wouldn’t expect Drudge to be Santorum friendly in this race – he’s conservative, but not TrueCon™ .

Priscilla on February 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

hawkdriver on February 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM

No problem hawk, I didn’t mean it in any kind of admonition, sorry if it sounded that way.

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

How much money is Romney paying the drudgereport? Their blatant cheer-leading for Romney is a disgrace to any “objectivity” they ever had

liberal4life on February 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

As much as Santorum pays HA…/

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

He’s the Church Lady in a sweater sweater vest

cane_loader on February 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM

FIFY

Santorum CAN’T fight this…there’s a narrative and it must be fed

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM

you still don’t get it do you. We tried to tell you when they did this with Palin. It doesn’t matter who it is they will laugh at you, they will ridicule you. they think republicans are stupid. If we put up Mitt SNL will be running skits about Mormons or carrying dogs on top of their cars, or have Mitt fire people. I can see a skit where they make Mitt as a Trump figure with the POTUS seal infront of him telling blue collar workers they are FIRED. If you are looking for a candidate the other side will not laugh at switch parties.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 12:58 PM

We all understand that we could nominate a fwuffy kitty for POTUS and SNL would vilify them, but fer Pete’s sake, do we forever have to apply the bear trap to our own leg?

ECONOMY.
ECONOMY.
ECONOMY.
ECONOMY.

El Dillo on February 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

No problem hawk, I didn’t mean it in any kind of admonition, sorry if it sounded that way.

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

why do you talk about me but not to me?

fvcking pvssy

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

By the way…

With Romney closing back in with leader-like polling numbers…has Mike DeWine RE-endorsed Romney

Ohio check in…Status?

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:04 PM

We all understand that we could nominate a fwuffy kitty for POTUS and SNL would vilify them, but fer Pete’s sake, do we forever have to apply the bear trap to our own leg?

ECONOMY.
ECONOMY.
ECONOMY.
ECONOMY.

El Dillo on February 21, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Which part of your are fired is not economic. this what people don’t understand. It doesn’t matter if it is social issues, economic issues, religious issues, tax issues even believing in the constution. the left will ridicule it and laugh at any gop caniddate we put up. If you don’t want to be laughed at switch parties. It is really that simple.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:06 PM

It doesn’t matter who it is they will laugh at you, they will ridicule you. they think republicans are stupid. If we put up Mitt SNL will be running skits about Mormons or carrying dogs on top of their cars, or have Mitt fire people.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Of course. And the question is, which candidate will have a better chance of winning despite the MSM carrying Obama’s water? I think Romney is more palatable to most voters than is Santorum.

Syzygy on February 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

The fact that both Romney and Santorum are closing the gap with Obama shows that both of them may be “electable”.

Santorum may be surging NOW because of the recent flap over Obama mandating that insurance companies pay for birth control to religious groups who don’t want it, and he will probably fade later, possibly before Super Tuesday.

But even so, Santorum will probably pull Romney to the right, which will make Romney a stronger candidate if he wins the nomination.

Steve Z on February 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

the greatest feat Satan ever did was making people not believe in him. Anyone that can look at the world and not see the evil in the world are deaf, dumb and blind.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM

you still don’t get it do you. We tried to tell you when they did this with Palin. It doesn’t matter who it is they will laugh at you, they will ridicule you. they think republicans are stupid. If we put up Mitt SNL will be running skits about Mormons or carrying dogs on top of their cars, or have Mitt fire people. I can see a skit where they make Mitt as a Trump figure with the POTUS seal infront of him telling blue collar workers they are FIRED. If you are looking for a candidate the other side will not laugh at switch parties.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 12:58 PM

unseen…I get what you are saying here, however, people have been making fun of Mormons, and basically people mock anything they do not understand, for decades. Isn’t there a current Broadway play, by the South Park bubbas, still running about the Book of Mormon? So I do not put much stock into this “scaring” people away from Romney. Most people nowadays know Mormons or have worked with/around them and do not find them “scary” but good, honest, hard-working people.

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:09 PM

the greatest feat Satan ever did was making people not believe in him. Anyone that can look at the world and not see the evil in the world are deaf, dumb and blind.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM

the greatest feat the republicans ever accomplished was losing to a marxist dictator by nominating Santy

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:10 PM

deaf, dumb and blind.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM

you never finished the song…”that deaf, dumb, and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball!”

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Which part of your are fired is not economic. this what people don’t understand. It doesn’t matter if it is social issues, economic issues, religious issues, tax issues even believing in the constution. the left will ridicule it and laugh at any gop caniddate we put up. If you don’t want to be laughed at switch parties. It is really that simple.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:06 PM

What are the current major threats to the United States? Here’s my list:

1. Crushing debt with no viable plan to pull out of the tailspin
2. A President repeatedly acting unconstitutionally
3. A house of Congress that hasn’t passed a budget in over 1,000 days and doesn’t plan to anytime soon
4. Various other Constitutional outrages

Are we talking about any of these things? No, of course not. Despite the fact that all conservatives and libertarians are united on these issues, Republicans keep stepping on the social wedge issue landmine that puts us at each others throats, all to the benefit of the Democrats. There will be plenty of time to argue about gay marriage, abortion, and so on AFTER WE SAVE THE DAMN REPUBLIC.

El Dillo on February 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM

people make fun of Mormons because Mormons are funny.

Joe Smith.

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Of course. And the question is, which candidate will have a better chance of winning despite the MSM carrying Obama’s water? I think Romney is more palatable to most voters than is Santorum.

Syzygy on February 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

again a reaction to their actions. the answer to winning is having a candidate that fights this crap. Mitt will accept the MSM verdict, he will try to change to fit their worldview and in so doing he will be seen as weak and unable to push a vision that americans can rally behind. Mitt is a cake walk for Obama because Mitt cares what the MSM thinks. mitt has no core he has nothing he will not abandon if he thinks it will score him short term politcal points. His history shows this. this is a fact. Whatever is mitt’s strength the MSM will turn it inot a negative. Need evidence look at OWS. One of Mitt’s strengths is making it into the 1%. the OWS/dems/media made that a bad thing.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

1. Crushing debt with no viable plan to pull out of the tailspin
2. A President repeatedly acting unconstitutionally
3. A house of Congress that hasn’t passed a budget in over 1,000 days and doesn’t plan to anytime soon
4. Various other Constitutional outrages

Are we talking about any of these things? No, of course not. Despite the fact that all conservatives and libertarians are united on these issues, Republicans keep stepping on the social wedge issue landmine that puts us at each others throats, all to the benefit of the Democrats. There will be plenty of time to argue about gay marriage, abortion, and so on AFTER WE SAVE THE DAMN REPUBLIC.

El Dillo on February 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM

1) the crushing debt can not and will not be addresses until we change the social compact between ciotizens and gov. As long as the government is socialist and has stated they will take care of people the debt can not be addressed.

2) the consitution has no teeth to be able to enforce except maybe the 2nd amendment if we choose to exercise it. therefore the document has relied on honorable men or in others words men of moral fiber to follow within its boundries. Obama is showing what an amoral person a powermad person can do if given the chance. A slip of paper will not stop such men. a society of maral people can and has for 200+ years.

3) again an amoral society doesn’t care about no budget , about following rules and requirements. Only those that believe in right and wrong follow the rules. A society with no morals means a society where anything goes, bribes to lawmakers and their friends, stealing taxpayer money and not fullfilling your terms of office.

4) all would be handled if we as a nation were a moral society.

So all the things that bother you have their roots in the fact our society as a whole are off its rails and yet your answer is don’t talk about the causes of our problems but only about the problems themselves. typical short sighted thinking. and the reason ALL government programs and policies fail.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Are we talking about any of these things? No, of course not. Despite the fact that all conservatives and libertarians are united on these issues, Republicans keep stepping on the social wedge issue landmine that puts us at each others throats, all to the benefit of the Democrats. There will be plenty of time to argue about gay marriage, abortion, and so on AFTER WE SAVE THE DAMN REPUBLIC.

El Dillo on February 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM

You are right about the fact we are not discussing these issues. However this has been a problem during the whole primary season, and not only because of social issues. How much time have we spent discussing Perry’s brain fart, Bachman’s gardasil, Cain’s alleged bimbos, Newt’s baggage. Somehow this primary got off track right from the beginning.

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I can see a skit where they make Mitt as a Trump figure with the POTUS seal infront of him telling blue collar workers they are FIRED. If you are looking for a candidate the other side will not laugh at switch parties.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Seriously, I’m being totally serious and not trolling or shilling… I LIKE Santorum – I AGREE with his statement about Satan!

But that clip from ’08 throws darn near the ENTIRE agnostic vote out the window. And America is chock full of them these days. And, like it or not, we need their votes to get rid of 0bama and save them from themselves!

It’s one thing to make fun of Romney’s money. But man… try to show an agnostic a spiritual mirror and he will spew split-pea soup and bust the mirror over your head.

I gotta say, this Santorum Satan clip looks unrepairable if it goes viral in the MSM. And you can bet that there are plenty more just like it.

Keep an eye on Saturday-Night-Live. Anyone want to bet me they don’t have Dana Carvey on and go full bore after this? This is as ripe, or riper for MSM ridicule than Perry’s foot-in-mouth/amnesia disease.

Drudge may have just done the GOP a favor by breaking this now.

I was still hanging in there with Newt, and now my opinion is stronger.

The heart vote now goes to Santorum, but the head vote has got to be Romney or Gingrich. There are a lot of primaries left, and Newt may come back. Whoever’s standing, I’m voting for him. But Santorum’s video archive now officially scares me spitless.

And again, I LIKE the man!

cane_loader on February 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

cane_loader on February 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

About being chock-full of agnostics…

Per Gallup 92% of Americans believe in God.

kingsjester on February 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM

unseen…I get what you are saying here, however, people have been making fun of Mormons, and basically people mock anything they do not understand, for decades. Isn’t there a current Broadway play, by the South Park bubbas, still running about the Book of Mormon? So I do not put much stock into this “scaring” people away from Romney. Most people nowadays know Mormons or have worked with/around them and do not find them “scary” but good, honest, hard-working people.

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Most people don’t know Mormons. I don’t know where you live but form my vantage point a mormon might has well be a alien from MARS. you ask the avg person on the street what a mormon is and many thing of those guys in the airport passing out flowers. And it would be incredibly easy for the left to “show” people what mormonism is because right now it is a big blank slate in the minds of the majority of Americans. The left will be happy to fill in that blank slate like they were happy to fill in Black theology to the masses. Lying their butts off in the process. To this day after 4 years most people have no idea BLack theology and Trinity church was base din marxism, Had both Chrisitans and Muslims attending it, was founded with a racist belief.

You think the media will tell the truth on mormonism? You think even if thety did mormons would come off in the best light? You are deluded if you do. I would hate to be a mormon if Mitt is the nominee. It will destory their religion for decades to come.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM

OK, so what’s caused these problems, a drastic shift away from the Constiution and a republican (small R) system of government, or gay marriage and abortion?

If you can show me that social issues are causing the $16 trillion country-killing black hole, then I’ll fight those battles now.

El Dillo on February 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM

cane_loader on February 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

It is a fact that to win the religious vote you have to forget about the non religious vote you can’t be all things to all people. As of now the country’s majority is religious therefore chasing the non-religious vote at the expense of the religious vote is a loser. Hell even bush knew that.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM

and the pvssy doesn’t respond…big surprise

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:31 PM

It’s one thing to make fun of Romney’s money. But man… try to show an agnostic a spiritual mirror and he will spew split-pea soup and bust the mirror over your head.

You vicious liar. I prefer chicken with wild rice.

Seriously, you’re thinking of militant athiests. Agnostics would just shrug and go nuke a burrito.

El Dillo on February 21, 2012 at 1:31 PM

“And of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is a shambles. It is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it…..”

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

That’s not an attack on “Protestants;” he’s merely saying that the mainline (i.e., liberal) Protestant churches are in “shambles.” Which is borne out by the frequent splintering of the churches into new denominations, declining membership and attendance rates, dismissal of traditional doctrines, etc. I’m sure most Catholics and evangelicals, as well as a fair number of conservative Episcopalians, Presbyterians, etc., would agree with him there.

You are being either dishonest or disingenuous.

steebo77 on February 21, 2012 at 1:33 PM

As of now the country’s majority is religious therefore chasing the non-religious vote at the expense of the religious vote is a loser. Hell even bush knew that.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM

you must be kidding…the majority is pagan

the majority cares less about God than I care about the Black Eyed Peas

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:34 PM

About being chock-full of agnostics…

Per Gallup 92% of Americans believe in God.

kingsjester on February 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I’m not denying your poll numbers.

HOWEVER. I think this is one of those issues where a significant chunk of that 92% doesn’t want to be seen as Godless, and is telling the pollster something a little different than what would go on in the voting booth.

Ask that same 92% on the phone if they’d marry someone from a different race, and compare the spoken phone results to the courthouse records.

cane_loader on February 21, 2012 at 1:35 PM

unseen…I get what you are saying here, however, people have been making fun of Mormons, and basically people mock anything they do not understand, for decades. Isn’t there a current Broadway play, by the South Park bubbas, still running about the Book of Mormon? So I do not put much stock into this “scaring” people away from Romney. Most people nowadays know Mormons or have worked with/around them and do not find them “scary” but good, honest, hard-working people.

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Most people don’t know Mormons. I don’t know where you live but form my vantage point a mormon might has well be a alien from MARS. you ask the avg person on the street what a mormon is and many thing of those guys in the airport passing out flowers. And it would be incredibly easy for the left to “show” people what mormonism is because right now it is a big blank slate in the minds of the majority of Americans. The left will be happy to fill in that blank slate like they were happy to fill in Black theology to the masses. Lying their butts off in the process. To this day after 4 years most people have no idea BLack theology and Trinity church was base din marxism, Had both Chrisitans and Muslims attending it, was founded with a racist belief.

You think the media will tell the truth on mormonism? You think even if thety did mormons would come off in the best light? You are deluded if you do. I would hate to be a mormon if Mitt is the nominee. It will destory their religion for decades to come.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I believe MOST people know who Mormons are and the media can “have it” and those same 5-10% would have NEVER voted for a Mormon anyway.

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Mormonism is one step down from Scientology.

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:39 PM

However, the Rasmussen results tend to indicate that both candidates would have roughly equal standing against Obama in a general election, at least at the moment among likely voters.

So much for the “Santorum can’t possibly win meme”.

I’m no phrophet, just one in 300 million voices. But I’m certain of a couple of things, Obama has alienated quite a few of his own base with his limpdick economic incompetence, and his happy proggressive warrior leftwing crazyness.

The independents can’t stand him,.. ran away in droves..

Now, The Romney crowd want to nominate a “safe” candidate who couldn’t offend anyone.. well that’s a pipe dream when 30% of this country, is “offended” republicans haven’t all died in their sleep. They don’t care that you support Romney, to them, you’re still an inbred trailer park hick who sleeps with his cousins… you know.. the way you act towards anyone voting not Romney..

feel good about that?

Santorum, can win, but we know how savage the Obama machine will be, the difference is to us.. aside from his social conservative cred, is he’d fight back… not afraid to say, YES, I AM A CONSERVATIVE…

Romney, would just dodge the issue, and talk about his good work on democrat issues….. about his “moderation”..

Time to forget about “offending” people who spit on you for breathing. The independents aren’t going to see either Romney or Santorum, and start shaking in fear, they just aren’t. Trying to say the guy in the sweater vest is worse than Obama, and his actual attempts to stomp on religious freedom of thought… is insane.

Santorum, isn’t scarey, he just isn’t, so trying to say he is, just muddies the water, and makes the commenter look desperate.

Santorum, with his Sunday school teacher looks, is actually soothing to a lot of people.. and independents who are PO’d about jobs, gas prices, and Iran with WW III, aren’t going to stop feeling these things because Santorum sounds a bit too earnest on social issues.. they’ll vote for mild differences, over another stint in crazy town.

If Romney is your guy, go for it,.. it’s your choice..

but lay off the bitter hack stuff, it’s not doing any of us any good. It’s making bitter enemies, for nothing more than sour grapes that the Golden one, wasn’t supported by the rank and file primary voter… that happens.. I can still vote for Romney if he gets the nod..

It’d be nice to know, that the Romney crowd, is that sane,.. now, I’m not so sure.. the urban sophisticates sure got hill billy crazy when they didn’t get their way.. The other candidates are too-pid, the conservative media is too-pid, and the voters are too-pid.. everybodies else, is too-pid…. I’d expect that from my ten year old, but Hotair viewers?

come on..

mark81150 on February 21, 2012 at 1:39 PM

OK, so what’s caused these problems, a drastic shift away from the Constiution and a republican (small R) system of government, or gay marriage and abortion?

If you can show me that social issues are causing the $16 trillion country-killing black hole, then I’ll fight those battles now.

El Dillo on February 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM

the entire basis of a republic is the concept of people governening and caring for themselves. They have done this over the centruies by use of the family unit. By destroying that family unit you can not care for yourself in all stages of your life. You must have help form outside. You lose your job without a family you seek help form the government, you get with child without a family you seek help form the government in the form of free abortions, medicaid, food stamps, WIC etc. Out of wedlock births means taxpayer money going to those children, You grow old without a fmaily it means medicare and SOcial security form the gov to help you in your old age. The family was formed to raise children and secure people from youth to adulthood and into their goldden years. Any attack on that family unit and any weakening of that family unit means more power to other social insitutions like the church and government. when you has a sustained attack on both the family and the church then people are elft with only one place to seek help the government. Every person that is helped by the government since the government makes nothing, produces nothing, invents nothing but papaerwork means more tax dollars are spent which leads to bigger and bigger debt as the tax payers are slowing destroyed by the need to tax them more to feed the govenrment functions that the family and the church use to take care off. The less taxpayers, the more wealth flees the country the bigger the debt becomes until the end game and the failure of your society.

So yes abortion on demand, gay “marriage”, out of wedlock sex, porn, drugs, less religious freedom all make for bigger debt. ther eis no getting around that.

You strengthen the family you weaken the gov. You strengthen the church you weaken the gov. A republic can not last if its people turn to government for all their needs.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:39 PM

you must be kidding…the majority is pagan

the majority cares less about God than I care about the Black Eyed Peas

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:34 PM

DHChron, I detest the way you keep rudely telling people to shut up on this thread. But I agree with you on the “pagan” thing.

There’s verse in the Bible about luke-warm believers praising faith but denying the power thereof.

For folks who are agnostic about God, it makes many of them very insecure in themselves to have someone hold a religious mirror to them. It takes their fear of going to Hell because they can’t bring themselves to actually believe, and holds it up to them.

If Santorum was thinking of running for president in 2008, he should have known this would come up, and would play right into the wheelhouse of the pagan/anti-God Hollywood/MSM beast.

I think now the GOP had better dig ALL of Santy’s clips up and see what we’re dealing with. It’s really going to suck if saving America from 0bama the Destroyer comes down to Church-Lady ridicule.

But…. acknowledging the power of Satan in this world, it would not surprise me, either. We’re balanced upon a spiritual knife-edge as it is…. just turn on TV at “family hour” and see what’s being shoved out into the nation’s media-addicted living rooms.

cane_loader on February 21, 2012 at 1:40 PM

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:39 PM

porn is bad! gays suck! women should cook!

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM

I believe MOST people know who Mormons are and the media can “have it” and those same 5-10% would have NEVER voted for a Mormon anyway.

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM

How many people are mormons in this country? 5-10% maybe. what makes you think the other 90% know anything about the religion?

sure MOSt people have heard of it. but know one besides those who practice it or theologists really know it. and anything that is fuzzy in the minds of people can and will be defined by the enmy in the most unfavorable light. Just like most people knew AK but most people didn’t know anything about the state it allowed the MSM to define it as a backwaters state with 10 people living there.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:42 PM

DHChron, I detest the way you keep rudely telling people to shut up on this thread. But I agree with you on the “pagan” thing.

I was just joking, but also anyone I told to shut up deserved it :)

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:43 PM

porn is bad! gays suck! women should cook!

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM

No you are right let’s continue to treat women like objects instead of people, continue to become so obese as a country that we make the orcas look slim because and continue to allow the species to not reproduce.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is picking up a big Texas endorsement Tuesday — from Speaker of the House Joe Straus. http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2012-presidential-election/texas-speaker-straus-endorses-romney/

“How ’bout them Cowboys!”

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:47 PM

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:46 PM

now we’re talking!

barefoot and pregnant I always say

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM
That’s not an attack on “Protestants;” he’s merely saying that the mainline (i.e., liberal) Protestant churches are in “shambles.” Which is borne out by the frequent splintering of the churches into new denominations, declining membership and attendance rates, dismissal of traditional doctrines, etc. I’m sure most Catholics and evangelicals, as well as a fair number of conservative Episcopalians, Presbyterians, etc., would agree with him there.

You are being either dishonest or disingenuous.

steebo77 on February 21, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I’m Protestant and Santorum is right.. there is choas in this faith, between those who want to stick with the traditional views, and cafeteria Christians, who think a faith is like a buffet, where they can pick and choose which of God’s teachings they like and ignore the rest.

and cdseven has never been straight about anything regarding Santorums faith.. ironic in the extreme such a stuanch defender of a Mormon’s right to believe as he does, would so savagely attack the Catholic for simply believing his Churches doctrine.

I can’t name a single area where Santorum has contradicted his priest’s teachings, yet that is why he’s damned by the Romney partisans.

You can’t say with a straight face Santorum’s views on abortion are crazytown stuff, and not be attacking the Vatican for having those same views.. they should just admit it.

mark81150 on February 21, 2012 at 1:50 PM

the answer to winning is having a candidate that fights this crap.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Distractions. They’d like nothing more than to have our candidate spend all his time fighting on their terms. By getting into the mud with them, you’re only giving their position more credibility.

Syzygy on February 21, 2012 at 1:50 PM

I believe MOST people know who Mormons are and the media can “have it” and those same 5-10% would have NEVER voted for a Mormon anyway.

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM

How many people are mormons in this country? 5-10% maybe. what makes you think the other 90% know anything about the religion?

sure MOSt people have heard of it. but know one besides those who practice it or theologists really know it. and anything that is fuzzy in the minds of people can and will be defined by the enmy in the most unfavorable light. Just like most people knew AK but most people didn’t know anything about the state it allowed the MSM to define it as a backwaters state with 10 people living there.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I know because I have traveled all over this country and also served with multiple units in the military both here in Afghanistan and Iraq and EVERY SINGLE unit knows who Mormons are and for the most part have no issues with Mormons and their beliefs…that is the jist of my post that no matter what the MSM says it will not sway the 90-95% who already know Mormons and know they are hard working down to earth people. :o)

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:51 PM

now we’re talking!

barefoot and pregnant I always say

DHChron on February 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM

I don’t care who stays home but outsourcing child raising to someone else is not a good way to make a good society.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Other than providing easy post topics for lazy bloggers, these “daily tracking polls” of the general election match-ups are worse than useless. Polls this far out from an election have no predictive value at all, and Republicans’ lower name recognition and wounds from a brutal primary campaign translate into lower numbers.

The only key to watch is Obama’s number. As the incumbent, he is known by all voters and most have made a definite judgement about him, good, bad, or meh. Late-deciding voters tend not to break for the incumbent unless some breaking scandal or horrendous gaffe hurts the challenger, so incumbents need to be pulling 50% or more. Obama typically has not,

That doesn’t mean he cannot win, but it shows the electorate is not disposed to grant him a second term as things stand now – and there is little time for real improvement.

Adjoran on February 21, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Our favorite cow Mabel could be electable against the Category 5 disaster we have in the Oval Office.

MABEL 2012!!!

PappyD61 on February 21, 2012 at 1:56 PM

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:51 PM

I don’t think you understand what is coming.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:56 PM

I can’t name a single area where Santorum has contradicted his priest’s teachings, yet that is why he’s damned by the Romney partisans.

You can’t say with a straight face Santorum’s views on abortion are crazytown stuff, and not be attacking the Vatican for having those same views.. they should just admit it.

mark81150 on February 21, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Mark,
I do not know what csdeven has said but as a Mormon I have no issues with what Santorum said as it is true with the adversary’s influence on society is like a wrecking ball…however, being a presidential candidate this talk will make certain moderate R’s and indies look the other way. I know that it was given in 2008 but just as many here bring up Romney’s 1994 election it should not matter but it will affect some voters and hurt our chances overall of removing the larger, immediate problem, Obama.

(Did I just say Obama was worse than Satan in the above comment? hmmm…)

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:58 PM

I can’t name a single area where Santorum has contradicted his priest’s teachings, yet that is why he’s damned by the Romney partisans.

You can’t say with a straight face Santorum’s views on abortion are crazytown stuff, and not be attacking the Vatican for having those same views.. they should just admit it.

mark81150 on February 21, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Yes, unlike a good percentage of people who call themselves Catholic but reject significant portions of Catholic teaching, Santorum shows integrity in this regard. When people say his views are “extreme” they are actually saying the Catholic church is “extreme”. The interesting thing is that more than 20% of the population choose to identify themselves as “catholic” despite this.
That being said, I still think that Santorum needs to keep some of his beliefs out of policy discussions because if he wins he will be president of a diverse people.

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 2:01 PM

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:51 PM

There were several Mormon’s in my unit too, they weren’… umm.. strict ones,.. kinda sowing their wild oats before going home,.. we didn’t talk about their faith much.. and nobody had an issue.. so you are right about that.

But what about the great sea of American’s who have heard of them, but never met one, or know a thing about their faith?

That is who will decide this election, and they will have nothing but the media’s portrait to go on.. most won’t look past Good Morning America or CBS, CNN to think about it.. and to protect Obama, I have zero faith the MSM will be fair in how they cover the Mormon faith.

They just won’t.

The as you say,… 95% who know them won’t buy it.. but that’s still the tiny minority.

mark81150 on February 21, 2012 at 2:02 PM

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 1:51 PM

I don’t think you understand what is coming.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Sure I do. All Mormons know what to expect as we have been living with people for over 200 years mischaracterizing what we believe and we have been through the refiners fire because of it…

We actually do not mind attacks as it actually causes many to investigate what we TRULY believe and they come to realize what jokers like jfs, Dr Tesla, and others put out there is utter nonsense and see our Church is established EXACTLY as Christ’s was in his day…thus The Church of Jesus Christ…of LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

Well, good nite all!

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 2:02 PM

That being said, I still think that Santorum needs to keep some of his beliefs out of policy discussions because if he wins he will be president of a diverse people.

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 2:01 PM

We agree then.. I don’t think he should hide his views.. but they aren’t the biggest issue before us,.. and I think he’ll get, we are diverse. Catholics have always been socially tolerant in that direction, at least as I’ve known them.. My best friends have always ended up being Catholics… I suppose it just happened,.. but it always worked out they were.

mark81150 on February 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM

But what about the great sea of American’s who have heard of them, but never met one, or know a thing about their faith?

That is who will decide this election, and they will have nothing but the media’s portrait to go on.. most won’t look past Good Morning America or CBS, CNN to think about it.. and to protect Obama, I have zero faith the MSM will be fair in how they cover the Mormon faith.

They just won’t.

The as you say,… 95% who know them won’t buy it.. but that’s still the tiny minority.

mark81150 on February 21, 2012 at 2:02 PM

mark,
thanks for your service!

The LDS Church will just roll out Steve Young, Danny Ainge, Gladys Knight, Donny and Marie, Napoleon Dynamite…okay, maybe not him…but others who are LDS and they can ask them about the Church. There are so many famous LDS members that people will realize there is no “boogey-man” there and we are as normal as any other true blue American!

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Good nite…till tomorrow.

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Other than providing easy post topics for lazy bloggers, these “daily tracking polls” of the general election match-ups are worse than useless. Polls this far out from an election have no predictive value at all, and Republicans’ lower name recognition and wounds from a brutal primary campaign translate into lower numbers.

Adjoran on February 21, 2012 at 1:56 PM

As far as predictors of the winner in November I agree, but they do speak to the strength of the incumbent. Obama should not be this close to his challengers this far out from the election. It demonstrates how weak his is.

NotCoach on February 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM

I don’t care who stays home but outsourcing child raising to someone else is not a good way to make a good society.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM

My wife works full time as an engineer, and I’m in school full time for food science. We raise our child, thank you very much.

As for the social stuff, it’s not that certain peoples’ families have gone off a cliff; it’s that there’s an expectation that someone else should pay for it. Fix the entitlement mentality, and you’ll have a better society.

El Dillo on February 21, 2012 at 2:25 PM

thought this was interesting until I read it was just a Rasmussen poll.

Monkei on February 21, 2012 at 4:02 PM

The LDS Church will just roll out Steve Young, Danny Ainge, Gladys Knight, Donny and Marie, Napoleon Dynamite…okay, maybe not him…but others who are LDS and they can ask them about the Church. There are so many famous LDS members that people will realize there is no “boogey-man” there and we are as normal as any other true blue American!

g2825m on February 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM

+100

cane_loader on February 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

It’s unbelieveable how vulnerable Obama is despite the GOP primaries, the “improving” economy and being on continuous campaign since last September with his class warfare rhetoric and “pay roll tax cut” tricks. People aren’t buying it and his Gallup approval has actually dropped to 44% this week. I put that down to his assault on religious freedom which I predict will be an escalating problem for him this year. Plus we have had flip flops on super PACS and energy exploration that will upset the base. Obama is afraid of gas prices this year and he is very vulnerable on that front. Gallup is predicting that unemployment is about to rise and they are usually right. For Santorum and Romney to be level with him at this stage is remarkable and very encouraging. If unemployment rises and gas prices go up and the economy slows it will be very hard for him. Not too mention a possible mid East crisis that would expose his inability to lead yet again. A lot of chickens may come home to roost this year. So yes, both Romney and Santorum are electable. It’s good to have two solid candidates to choose from. I hope they keep it civil and constructive, remember who the enemy is and I hope Santorum takes the opportunity to stress cultural issues. People are more concerned about them than the liberals think. The country is moving to the right culturally as well as politically as the disaster that is the “cultural revolution” becomes more apparent. Santorum may be on a winner here.

breffnian on February 21, 2012 at 5:31 PM

why in the name of all that is holy would we nominate someone like Mitt who is simply a dem with an R behind his name?

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Very true. And remember, the “R” doesn’t stand for Republican–the “R” stands for Reform!

Mr. Prodigy on February 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM

I don’t think you understand what is coming.

unseen on February 21, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Look up Lilburn Boggs and the extermination order. Read it, and then come and tell those of the LDS faith that they have no idea what is coming from the Mormon haters.

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 6:26 PM

You are being either dishonest or disingenuous.

steebo77 on February 21, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I didn’t get the entire speech, but did he mention Satan’s influence in the Catholic church?

csdeven on February 21, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Old headline to find Romney…

Given that tonight’s debate is sponsored by the Arizona Republican Party and CNN, will any moderator represent the Arizona Republican Party?

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2012/02/21/20120221republican-debate-mesa-what-to-watch-for.html

The Babeu factor: Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu’s endorsement of Romney was barely noted when made, but now, the embattled lawman has become an issue in the 2012 presidential campaign. Babeu’s office and congressional campaign were rocked late last week by accusations that the Republican rising star and border-security hawk may have abused his power by threatening a former boyfriend. Babeu denies the allegations of misconduct but publicly acknowledged for the first time Saturday that he is gay. The Mesa debate is being held as news about the scandal dominates Arizona headlines. Nationally, much of the coverage has focused on Babeu’s decision Saturday to step down as Arizona co-chairman of Romney’s campaign. Romney can consider himself lucky if Babeu’s name doesn’t come up at the forum, but CNN moderators at past debates have not been shy about injecting late-breaking controversies into their line of questioning.

The Arizona Republic

maverick muse on February 22, 2012 at 8:58 AM

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