Did Paul know about double reimbursements for travel expenses?

posted at 9:55 am on February 21, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Two weeks ago, Roll Call unearthed a number of occasions where Rep. Ron Paul took full reimbursements for travel from both taxpayers and from political groups, apparently pocketing the cash.  His campaign responded that a few errors might have occurred but no intentional fraud had ever occurred.  Today, Roll Call reports that they have found more cases of double-dipping, and get libertarian activist and former Paul ally David James to go on the record as saying he warned Paul of this very practice — and that it lead to a falling out between the two:

Roll Call reported Feb. 6 that Paul was repeatedly paid twice for flights between Washington, D.C., and his Congressional district, receiving reimbursement from taxpayers and also from a network of political and nonprofit organizations he controlled, according to public records and credit card statements for an American Express card in Paul’s name.

Spokesman Jesse Benton said then it was “possible that wholly inadvertent errors were made in a handful of instances” in which flights were reimbursed twice, but he maintained that “absolutely zero taxpayer funds were ever misused.”

But James’ recollection and new documents obtained by Roll Call suggest Paul was aware that he was often being reimbursed twice for individual flights. In all, Roll Call found 26 flights in which several layers of documentation show double payments: credit card statements that detail the ticket purchases, a payment to Paul from his taxpayer-funded House account for reimbursement of a flight and Federal Election Commission records or copies of checks that verify a second payment from a separate group for the same flight.

Roll Call obtained copies of checks from the Liberty Committee to American Express that paid for Paul’s expenses. The records obtained by Roll Call cover about 17 nonconsecutive months. Beyond the 26 flights, documents show an additional 31 flights where it appears Paul was double-reimbursed but the records lack sufficient detail to prove duplicate payments.

The issue between James and Paul goes back to 2005, when James first discovered the double-dipping and assumed it was an error.  As chair of the Liberty Committee, he pressed Paul’s office to get documentation for the flights that the Liberty Committee had already reimburses, but kept getting stalled by Paul and his Congressional staff.  James raised the issue directly with Paul and got a surprising response:

The office manager said Paul’s Congressional office no longer had documentation for that flight; Paul had sent it in to the House Finance Office for reimbursement. But Liberty Committee had already sent a check to American Express to cover the charge on Paul’s credit card.

“I don’t care what flights the Liberty Committee pays for,” James said, “because Ron never took enough in expenses to come anywhere near his value to us. And this was piddly. But it’s just what it was.”

James first thought it was accidental and faxed a letter to Paul’s office, requesting that its money be returned for the flight. Paul did repay the $403.70, but the episode strained their relationship and led to a falling out a year later.

In a subsequent conversation, James raised the issue, and Paul “was very curt, and he simply said, ‘Yep, well, happens all the time,’” James, 64, told Roll Call.

In the end, this contributed to a battle between James and Paul over control of Liberty Committee.  After a series of conflicts over this and other issues, Paul tried to get the LC’s board to toss James out of the group and align themselves with Paul.  The effort failed, and James remains in control of the Liberty Committee.  The group still backs libertarian-based legislation in Congress, including from Paul, but no longer have ties to Paul’s Congressional office.  Roll Call reports that James sent a demand last week for an explanation of $10,000 in reimbursements for almost twenty flights that may have been double-billed to taxpayers and the LC, and have yet to get a response.

Despite the response from the campaign earlier this month, Paul and his Congressional staff knew about this issue for years before Roll Call reported the story, and apparently did little to resolve it.  Two weeks ago, I wrote that this would likely end in some checks being cut and disclosure forms amended, but Paul’s team had better start working on that ASAP before this turns into an Ethics Committee hearing.


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Between this, Dondero’s accounts, newsletters, fundraising letters, etc…it’s clear there’s a big disconnect between the Paul the Ronulans want to exist vs. the kind of guy Paul really is.

Read the whole article. There’s detail in there about how Paul didn’t want the Liberty Committee to be operating independently, instead “insisting its checkbook be kept in his Clute, Texas, business under the care of a family member — Nora LeBlanc, the mother-in-law of Paul’s youngest daughter, Joy.
Paul’s business office in Clute is where Lori Paul Pyeatt, his daughter, works as treasurer for Paul’s presidential and Congressional campaigns, Liberty PAC, the Campaign for Liberty and FREE.[/quote]

Herr Doktor has quite the family operation.

JohnTant on February 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

bingo, a slush fund for his family to live the high life, gotta make sure that sweet sweet moneybomb cash stays in house!!, the problem is, when you devote that much time and effort to an ideal, as most Paulbots do, when the actual facts on the ground refute your image of what you think that ideal was, either you accept it and move on, or just slide further into delusion. I sense a lot of delusion ahead

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM

…and then they had a falling out for some reason and for all we know this guy took it personally and is trying to get revenge on Ron Paul, perhaps for something entirely unrelated. Or maybe he’s just trying to help Romney or Santorum. There’s no way to know what his motivation is, but I do know that there are a lot of scumbag Republicans that have no gumption about viciously smearing Ron Paul with vile propaganda as bad if not worse than they did Palin and Bachmann.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:20 AM

It’s such a tired, intellectually dishonest argument by the willfully ignorant.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Congressman Ron Paul actively assisted conspiracy theorist Alex Jones in the making of the documentary, Endgame (in which Paul features prominently in person), where the central premise is that an evil cabal of ‘Zionist’ bankers headed by the Rothschild family is actively pursuing global domination, all of which is simply a modern update of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the virulently antisemitic screed that served as a major influence for just about any antisemitic movement and organization one might choose to name. I won’t even begin to go into some of the even more bizarre, arcane stuff that shows up in this happy little Ron Paul/Alex Jones collaboration, although the mention of spider-goat DNA hybridization experiments conducted in secret Bildersberger laboratories tends to stick in the mind.

Explain that one away, please.

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 11:20 AM

“Ron Paul- Does the Constitution authorize fraudulent payment to Congress for expenses already covered by other entities? Yes or no?”

(Oh, and BTW- Congressman Paul is part of the government, isn’t he?)

cs89 on February 21, 2012 at 11:16 AM

You cannot possible be that dense, can you? It is no wonder you cut out my response; it had the direct answer. The Constitution is a list of

negative

rights. It does not authorize anything.

Phew. Doing the work the civics teachers fail at…

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:22 AM

So, this is all HotAir can find to write about Dr. Paul? You conveniently missed the Veteran for Paul march and rally in DC yesterday. Here is a short video that shows the size of the march:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BbDIPj1U3Q&feature=player_embedded

Puma for Life on February 21, 2012 at 11:22 AM

bingo, a slush fund for his family to live the high life,

Oh, yeah, right..Paul is living the high life. That must be why he has turned down the congressional pension he is entitled to upon retirement. Paul has saved the taxpayer more money doing that than any possible double payment for anything if it even happened.

How about an article about Santorum’s connections to Opus Dei…if you want to talk about something weird.

Puma for Life on February 21, 2012 at 11:25 AM

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 11:20 AM

So are you Jewish? Are all of the people in this thread and others that smear Ron Paul so viciously Jewish? I’ve never had anything against Jewish people—but maybe I should! It sounds like maybe they’re trying to destroy my candidate with lies in order to further their own goals.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM

You cannot possible be that dense, can you? It is no wonder you cut out my response; it had the direct answer. The Constitution is a list of

negative
rights. It does not authorize anything.

Phew. Doing the work the civics teachers fail at…

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Wanna invite Ron Paul to your next class?

Paul’s nickname “Dr. No”[4] reflects both his medical degree and his assertion that he will “never vote for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution“.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

(Oh, if you don’t like wiki- that quote’s also on Paul’s website…)

/too easy

cs89 on February 21, 2012 at 11:29 AM

The scumbag Republican Party may be able to destroy Ron Paul but they won’t be able to win the election.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM

(Oh, if you don’t like wiki- that quote’s also on Paul’s website…)

/too easy

cs89 on February 21, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Okay, you got me there. He should have said “not prohibited by the Constitution” to satisfy your intellectual demands. Still beats wiping one’s behind with it, as most pols do, including Santorum.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:37 AM

The scumbag Republican Party may be able to destroy Ron Paul but they won’t be able to win the election.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Quick! Somebody get this guy a pacifier, next he’s going to hold his breath until we take back all the mean and hurtful things said about Ron Paul.

Garym on February 21, 2012 at 11:37 AM

I pointed out two weeks ago in comments to the original story that there was no double-dipping. Ed didn’t understand the story then, and he doesn’t understand it now. Although I’m willing to grant that figuring it out isn’t easy because Roll Call doesn’t understand it’s own story, either. But if I can figure this out, Ed can, and he should.

But James’ recollection and new documents obtained by Roll Call suggest Paul was aware that he was often being reimbursed twice for individual flights. In all, Roll Call found 26 flights in which several layers of documentation show double payments: credit card statements that detail the ticket purchases, a payment to Paul from his taxpayer-funded House account for reimbursement of a flight and Federal Election Commission records or copies of checks that verify a second payment from a separate group for the same flight.

Roll Call obtained copies of checks from the Liberty Committee to American Express that paid for Paul’s expenses.

Read that closely. The checks cut by the Liberty Committee went to Amex, not to Paul. According to the original story, Paul had a corporate card which was used to purchase his flight tickets. Most likely some admin in Paul’s office used the card number when booking flights for Paul. The Liberty Commitee then paid the bill, while Paul received reimbursement from the government for the flight.

There is a story here, but it is not what Ed and Roll Call think. A double dip could only occur if Paul paid his credit card bill, then received payment from both Liberty and the government. In this case, Paul is merely keeping the reimbursement that should technically go to Liberty. Or maybe not. If the Liberty-paid flights are campaign related, and not government business related, then Paul should not be applying for reimbursement, and an ethics investigation is warranted. Similarly, if Paul is using this rigamarole to funnel Liberty funds to himself, he has a problem. Maybe it is a tax dodge. But it may be completely innocent.

In 1998, two years after Paul returned to Congress after more than 10 years out of politics, Paul tasked James with founding the Liberty Committee, a nonprofit group that would lobby for libertarian legislation…the group kept meticulous records. “Liberty Committee was set up to be unassailable.”

Paul only reluctantly allowed the group to operate independently, insisting its checkbook be kept in his Clute, Texas, business under the care of a family member — Nora LeBlanc, the mother-in-law of Paul’s youngest daughter, Joy.

Paul’s business office in Clute is where Lori Paul Pyeatt, his daughter, works as treasurer for Paul’s presidential and Congressional campaigns, Liberty PAC, the Campaign for Liberty and FREE.

“I don’t care what flights the Liberty Committee pays for,” James said, “because Ron never took enough in expenses to come anywhere near his value to us. And this was piddly. But it’s just what it was.”

Sounds more like a story about accounting than about impropriety. James was pissed about documentation, not about money. Paul, impatient with accounting minutae, and feeling entitled to compensation from his own organization (and he hardly took any, according to James), may have been irritated by James’ nit-picking. This story will go no where, fast. Non of the majors have touched it, because it is stupid.

Mr. Arkadin on February 21, 2012 at 11:38 AM

GranPaul can always hitch a ride on Willard’s jet. He certainly has earned it from Mitt.

This phony liberaltarian has every scheme in the book to personally feed at the public trough. BigGov Mitt will take care of GranPaul at the Convention and (non) principled Paul will do his bidding.

kingsmill on February 21, 2012 at 11:39 AM

How about an article about Santorum’s connections to Opus Dei…if you want to talk about something weird.

Puma for Life on February 21, 2012 at 11:25 AM

LOL, I wonder how many Santorum supporters know what Opus Dei is.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:40 AM

The scumbag Republican Party may be able to destroy Ron Paul

Well…Ron Paul is a member of the “scumbag Republican Party”, by choice, and he’s starting to look more and more like a “scumbag” as the days go by.

Knott Buyinit on February 21, 2012 at 11:40 AM

So are you Jewish? Are all of the people in this thread and others that smear Ron Paul so viciously Jewish? I’ve never had anything against Jewish people—but maybe I should! It sounds like maybe they’re trying to destroy my candidate with lies in order to further their own goals.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Gosh, if you start hating JooooOOOOooooooo you won’t even have to change bumper stickers. How convenient. Almost like you were aligned that way anyway.

G M on February 21, 2012 at 11:43 AM

The scumbag Republican Party may be able to destroy Ron Paul but they won’t be able to win the election.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM

What is there to destroy? He’s never done anything but campaign and promise…

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Read the whole article. There’s detail in there about how Paul didn’t want the Liberty Committee to be operating independently, instead “insisting its checkbook be kept in his Clute, Texas, business under the care of a family member — Nora LeBlanc, the mother-in-law of Paul’s youngest daughter, Joy.

JohnTant on February 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

bingo, a slush fund for his family to live the high life, gotta make sure that sweet sweet moneybomb cash stays in house

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM

“I don’t care what flights the Liberty Committee pays for,” James said, “because Ron never took enough in expenses to come anywhere near his value to us. And this was piddly. But it’s just what it was.”

Read the whole article, indeed.

Mr. Arkadin on February 21, 2012 at 11:45 AM

LOL, I wonder how many Santorum supporters know what Opus Dei is.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:40 AM

I wonder how many Ronulans know what stormfront is?

Oh, yes all you. And you are fine with it, right?

G M on February 21, 2012 at 11:45 AM

- Tell me of Ron Paul’s successes in cutting government regulation.

- Remind me of that time when the Ron-Paul-led-coalition slashed government spending.

So let me get this straight. Although Paul always votes in line with the Constitution, although he constantly votes against big government, although he constantly sides with liberty in his votes, it’s his fault that others don’t do the same. The man is just one vote in Congress. He’s doing his part, even if the rest of our anti-liberty Congress isn’t.

- Reveal how Paul’s failure to take responsibility for his newsletter problem and travel expenses are really signs of great character and leadership.

He has taken responsibility and addressed these numerous times.

- How billions in Paul pork made him fiscally responsible.

Paul is a Representative. This is going to come as a shock to you, but that means he is his constituents’ representative voice before the federal government. His constituents’ wealth is seized through taxation, and when appropriations bills come up, he includes their requests in them. You see, the federal government has already decided to spend the wealth it has seized, and Paul, as their representative, is putting their requests in. That’s his job. Paul votes against the budget bills and even against the appropriations bills – and he tells his constituents this up front – because the amount of spending is out of control. If no Congressman made these requests, the money would go to the Executive and they would spend it how they see fit, and you’d never know where it went.

Every single cent spent by the federal government should be earmarked. That’s transparency.

- How by refusing to go after Romney’s liberal record, Paul is really taking a stand for conservatism.

This is both false and a logical fallacy.

- How Paul’s tactic of ‘blame America first’ isn’t crass opportunism for MSM time, but really a brilliant plan which is bringing peace to the world.

Also false and a logical fallacy.

Wow, that was snarky… but there you have it, Dante. For me, the case is devastating.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 11:02 AM

I know it is, because you are ignorant and easily swayed by demagoguery.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 11:47 AM

So, somebody is complaining that Ron Paul double-billed for airline tickets at his organization’s expense, and the one time he pointed it out to Paul’s office, they paid him back.

Is that about the size of it?

JohnGalt23 on February 21, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Puma for Life on February 21, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:40 AM

What’s next, The Da Vinci Code recommended as a serious critique of the Santorum campaign?

NotCoach on February 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM

I wonder how many Ronulans know what stormfront is?

Oh, yes all you. And you are fine with it, right?

G M on February 21, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Never heard of it until I came on here.

And yeah, I’m fine with the existence of Stormfront. The First Amendment is meant to protect unpopular, not to mention idiotic, speech.

JohnGalt23 on February 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM

I wonder how many Ronulans know what stormfront is?

Oh, yes all you. And you are fine with it, right?

G M on February 21, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Never heard of it until I came on here.

And yeah, I’m fine with the existence of Stormfront. The First Amendment is meant to protect unpopular, not to mention idiotic, speech.

JohnGalt23 on February 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Are you fine with Loon Paul’s conections to them and other neonazis?

G M on February 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Interesting.

What I’d personally like to see is a comparison or chart of how much each candidate has cost taxpayers, both by counting money personally taken away (including the congressional pension that Paul doesn’t partake in), and by counting up the cost of all the legislation each politician voted ‘yes’ on. I think the results would be revealing…

Nephew Sam on February 21, 2012 at 11:55 AM

How about an article about Santorum’s connections to Opus Dei…if you want to talk about something weird.

Puma for Life on February 21, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Never heard of it but based on Wikipedia’s description it would explain a lot about Santorum.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Are you fine with Loon Paul’s conections to them and other neonazis?

G M on February 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Such as?

And please, try something more than a picture with Don Black. That will force me to bust out the picture of Reagan with the Klansman.

JohnGalt23 on February 21, 2012 at 11:56 AM

I think I’m going to start smearing Santorum with Opus Dei like people are allowed to smear Ron Paul around here and see if I’m allowed to continue unchecked as they’ve been.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Oh, yes all you. And you are fine with it, right?

G M on February 21, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Isn’t it funny that I happen to be an Israeli Jew, and yet you are frothing at the mouth against Ron Paul’s alleged antisemitism instead of me?

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Something has always struck me as fishy about how Paul handles campaign cash ever since the 2008 Presidential election. I didn’t hear a single Paul ad on the radio until the day AFTER the polls closed. It struck me as odd that he was raising tons of cash and not running ads except for a few useless ones the day after the primary.

Sad thing is even if he was pocketing campaign cash and taxpayer money the Paulbots would be cool with it.

bj1126 on February 21, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Paul will use his usual lame-o, catch all excuse for feeding at the public trough:. “The funds are allocated and you better get your share…”

Then he’ll turn around and vote against every spending bill, knowing full well that he will always be able to line up and reap the benies from Uncle Sugar. Truly a first class political charlatan is this Ron Paul.

vilebody on February 21, 2012 at 11:57 AM

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM

…and then they had a falling out for some reason and for all we know this guy took it personally and is trying to get revenge on Ron Paul, perhaps for something entirely unrelated. Or maybe he’s just trying to help Romney or Santorum. There’s no way to know what his motivation is, but I do know that there are a lot of scumbag Republicans that have no gumption about viciously smearing Ron Paul with vile propaganda as bad if not worse than they did Palin and Bachmann.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Except that the Liberty Committee is still campaigning for Ron Paul. That’s an awful nice thing to do for someone you’ve supposedly had a falling out with, isn’t it?

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 11:57 AM

bingo, a slush fund for his family to live the high life

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Obviously you’ve never been to Clute, Tx.

And for a guy who cares about living off the government the sure does return a lot of his congressional allowance… how do you explain that?

Ed Morissey is a hack who is in the tank for the Big-government loving Santorum. Anybody who supports that idiot can’t be too smart and this article proves that.

rndmusrnm on February 21, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I wish someone would demagogue Paul’s lack of accomplishments, his lack of leadership, his hypocrisy on spending, his inability to perceive the world as it is, and his crass opportunism of trashing conservatives to get himself a little press…

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Hey,…he’s very proud of the fact he never has voted yes on a bill containing pork for his own district. Of course, he’s already sure the bill will pass without his support, so it gives him a fig leaf.
He’s a canny old geezer.

a capella on February 21, 2012 at 11:58 AM

What’s next, The Da Vinci Code recommended as a serious critique of the Santorum campaign?

NotCoach on February 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Well, at least you read that, I’ll grant you that. Illuminati might be the stuff of urban legends but Opus Dei happens to be quite real. Check the Wiki.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Oh, yes all you. And you are fine with it, right?

G M on February 21, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Isn’t it funny that I happen to be an Israeli Jew, and yet you are frothing at the mouth against Ron Paul’s alleged antisemitism instead of me?

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:56 AM

One need not be a Jew to fight against nazis.

G M on February 21, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Sad thing is even if he was pocketing campaign cash and taxpayer money the Paulbots would be cool with it.

bj1126 on February 21, 2012 at 11:56 AM

So you made up a fictional scandal out of thin air and then use it to smear Ron Paul supporters here? You’re just another scumbag Republican.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM

One need not be a Jew to fight against nazis.

G M on February 21, 2012 at 12:00 PM

One need to be a nazi first, to be fought against with such pigheaded enthusiasm. You don’t know squat about Jews or antisemitism, do you?

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:05 PM

The Republican Party: last redoubt of lowlife sleazeballs.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I love the depths ronulans will go to cling to their delusions.

Former employees who tell the truth about Luap Nor are out to get is out to get him.
He hates America, goes on Iranian TV to bash America, but is somehow a patriot. He is a porker on spending, but is fiscally Conservative and not a hypocrite. He lied about his newsletters, but he’s super honest.

You mindless Luap Nor lovers are seriously mentally ill.

Hard Right on February 21, 2012 at 12:05 PM

So are you Jewish? Are all of the people in this thread and others that smear Ron Paul so viciously Jewish? I’ve never had anything against Jewish people—but maybe I should! It sounds like maybe they’re trying to destroy my candidate with lies in order to further their own goals.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM

please elaborate on what you think these “goals” are?

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:56 AM

George Soros is a Jew,..Hungarian, I believe. IIRC, he lent the Holocaust effort a hand when they were short of labor. Being Jewish doesn’t automatically confer innocence in these matters.

a capella on February 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM

http://spectator.org/blog/2012/02/21/a-ron-paul-finance-scandal?nomobile=1

Paul spokesman Jesse Benton tells Strong that anything untoward can be chalked up to “wholly inadvertent errors,” and Paul’s comment to James that this “happens all the time,” while flippant, isn’t exactly wrong; congressmen often mix up the expenses from their campaigns, PACs, and other affiliated financial entities with their office expenses. But when it happens, it’s proper to reimburse the right entities so that the books come out clean, and not doing so can be a fairly serious crime. Paul’s office had better clear up this and similar financial issues as soon as possible. Paul’s reputation as a credible chamipion of the taxpayers will be hard to preserve if he’s embezzled money from them, inadvertently or not.

My emphasis added.

Gotta wonder about the management chops of this guy even under the best reading of this issue.

JohnTant on February 21, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Except that the Liberty Committee is still campaigning for Ron Paul. That’s an awful nice thing to do for someone you’ve supposedly had a falling out with, isn’t it?

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 11:57 AM

But does the guy that made the accusation still work for Liberty Committee? Was he fired for some reason and took it personally?

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM

So you made up a fictional scandal out of thin air and then use it to smear Ron Paul supporters here? You’re just another scumbag Republican.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Scumbag Republicans:
Make up a fictional scandal about Paul…

…Use it to smear his supporters.

or my favorite
Scumbag Republican:
Claims to be a fiscal conservative…

…Supports Santorum.

rndmusrnm on February 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM

So what happened to all the ‘frequent flyer’ miles accumulated by this double dipper?
I could never use the over a half million miles accumulated on my accounts during the 15 years flying on official business for the DoD.

News2Use on February 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM

How about an article about Santorum’s connections to Opus Dei…if you want to talk about something weird.

Puma for Life on February 21, 2012 at 11:25 AM

LOL, I wonder how many Santorum supporters know what Opus Dei is.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:40 AM

There’s nothing wrong with the Opus Dei. It’s a Catholic organization like many others. Basically a praying group. You can visit the site:
http://www.opusdei.us/ and read whatever you want about the prelature and its mission.

What we need is an article about Santorum’s connections to union bosses, K-Street project lobbyists and the steel industry bailouts.

joana on February 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Gotta wonder about the management chops of this guy even under the best reading of this issue.

JohnTant on February 21, 2012 at 12:08 PM

there was a similar financial embezzlement scandal in the 80′s with his campaign, it was kept quiet but tens of thousands of dollars went missing, possibly more, it’s floating around somewhere on the internet

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 12:14 PM

George Soros is a Jew,..Hungarian, I believe. IIRC, he lent the Holocaust effort a hand when they were short of labor. Being Jewish doesn’t automatically confer innocence in these matters.

a capella on February 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM

I wish I had Soros’s money, or his brains, without his political bias. From what I have read of him, he never forgave the Allies for abandoning European Jews to their fate; that’s where his embedded hatred for Western democracies, especially British and American, comes from. I have never seen any shadow of confirmation for the factoid you mentioned.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM

What we need is an article about Santorum’s connections to union bosses, K-Street project lobbyists and the steel industry bailouts.

joana on February 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM

That won’t be much of a problem in the general election. Much as Santorum tried, he cannot hope to out-union and out-corrupt Obama. :)

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM

So, Ron Paul is never going to be elected to any thing but the goofey dist. who sends him away to U.S..

So, Ron Paul gets two things correct for every 30 he gets wrong.

So, why waste the time with his as the U.S. comes apart due to the lies and fraud of the msm, the commie Democrats and the fraud they pay for to the AGW flat earth ones.

Then when very important things happen… crickets.

http://www.wattsupwiththat.com

This guy steals e-mails and documents, then lies, then lies about
the lies and not one thing here. Now it makes sense that the ABC,CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, etal NY Times lie about this but you would think that here more than crickets.

even Charles Johnson of lgf’s has dug himself to the bottom and reached the glory hole of s88t he deserves.

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com

62 post is all his rag tag gang of loons can manage on the facts.

back to your $ grubbing

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM

One need not be a Jew to fight against nazis.

G M on February 21, 2012 at 12:00 PM

One need to be a nazi first, to be fought against with such pigheaded enthusiasm. You don’t know squat about Jews or antisemitism, do you?

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I know history, I know this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html

G M on February 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM

So, this is all HotAir can find to write about Dr. Paul? You conveniently missed the Veteran for Paul march and rally in DC yesterday. Here is a short video that shows the size of the march:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BbDIPj1U3Q&feature=player_embedded

Puma for Life on February 21, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Puma, you can forget any positive articles on here about Paul. It’s comical really. They talk about the MSM being biased!

air_up_there on February 21, 2012 at 12:19 PM

“The Republican Party: last redoubt of lowlife sleazeballs.

FloatingRock”

Yes, but we are trying to clean it up by removing you ronulans.

Hard Right on February 21, 2012 at 12:19 PM

IIRC Soros helped remove the belongings from the homes of Jews after they’d been sent to the camps.
As for abandoning the Jews, we have many dead American soldiers who would say otherwise. Not to mention Ron would have been against going to their aid.
Good little ronulan, Archivarix. Don’t let facts or reality invade the world created by your mental illness. The voices are right.

Hard Right on February 21, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Earmarks are a gateway drug to more spending and an incumbent protection instrument. Without earmarks, some of the most obnoxious spending bills would have never passed – the Highway act, the Farm bill, the Energy biil, etc. They ended up passing because enough votes were bought with pork.

Santorum and Ron Paul are perfectly aware of this. They liked pork because it was the easiest way for re-election.

joana on February 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Voter from WA State on February 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM

This may have a little teeth if you at least knew the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

I know history, I know this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html

G M on February 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM

History, you obviously don’t know. What you do know is that a hit piece was ordered and paid for to attack Ron Paul charging that some of his supporters are white supremacists and/or anti-Semites. Ron Paul could denounce the group, and then another group, and then another, and turn his campaign into a full-time “I am not a witch” show, just to please some fools that will not vote for him anyway.

I wonder if crazy people who murder abortion surgeons got the “inspiration” from the same book that Santorum thumps so enthusiastically. Yes, you definitely should reject Santorum as a candidate based on this fact.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 12:31 PM

This may have a little teeth if you at least knew the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.

Dante

Well, when you learn the difference, let us know because you clearly don’t.

Hard Right on February 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Earmarks are a gateway drug to more spending and an incumbent protection instrument. Without earmarks, some of the most obnoxious spending bills would have never passed – the Highway act, the Farm bill, the Energy biil, etc. They ended up passing because enough votes were bought with pork.

Santorum and Ron Paul are perfectly aware of this. They liked pork because it was the easiest way for re-election.

joana on February 21, 2012 at 12:29 PM

You don’t know what an earmark is or what it’s purpose is. The spending amount has already been decided. Earmarks put a dollar amount on where the money goes. Look at TARP and the stimulus. No one knows where the money went or how much, but we would if Congress did their job and earmarked every penny instead of handing it all over to the Executive Branch to do with as they wished.

Every single penny should be earmarked. Educate yourself. You’re succumbing to demagoguery and being played.

Earmarks

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM

History, you obviously don’t know. What you do know is that a hit piece was ordered and paid for to attack Ron Paul charging that some of his supporters are white supremacists and/or anti-Semites.

Really? Who ordered it and paid for it? Please enlighten me.

G M on February 21, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Every single penny should be earmarked. Educate yourself. You’re succumbing to demagoguery and being played.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Oh, someone is being played alright, but it isn’t joana.

JohnTant on February 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM

ed, your obsession with Ron Paul only masks your fear of what is to come….the age of the Neocon is passing. Instead of having a fit like a baby in a soiled diaper, I suggest you make nice with Ron Paul. One way or another, the libertarians are taking over the Republican Party and we will drive. Get on board, get out of the way or get run down.//

standupandbecounted on February 21, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Riiiiiiiiight. Ok, then. LOL

Bitter Clinger on February 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Your continued attempted hit pieces on Dr. Paul are pathetic and disgraceful. In fact, they are borderline obsessive and delusional. You will go to any length to attempt to smear this man. You feebly attempt to take down the one candidate who has a clue about the mess we are in, how we got there, and how we get out. You are an embarrassment to journalism and have become just another partisan hack……no better than an opinion writer at HufPo or Media Matters.

bxy on February 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Somehow, Santorum is supposed to be in someway connected to it with no proof whatsoever.

Voter from WA State on February 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Now you know how it feels!

And you say there’s no proof, according to who? I haven’t seen any proof that Santorum isn’t a member of that group, which apparently supported fascist dictators and believes in authoritarian government, according to the wiki article. And before you complain about innocence until proof of guilt, based on the fact that so many scumbag Republicans seem to find such smears against Ron Paul acceptable, that concept doesn’t seem to apply.

Santorum is a monster, worse than Hitler!

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

– Tell me of Ron Paul’s successes in cutting government regulation.

– Remind me of that time when the Ron-Paul-led-coalition slashed government spending.

So let me get this straight. Although Paul always votes in line with the Constitution, although he constantly votes against big government, although he constantly sides with liberty in his votes, it’s his fault that others don’t do the same. The man is just one vote in Congress. He’s doing his part, even if the rest of our anti-liberty Congress isn’t.

Well, Dante, Santorum and Gingrich have shepherded conservative bills through the process and had them signed into law by a Democrat president. They showed leadership and against the odds made good things happen.

We can’t say this about Paul, who has accomplished nothing, agreed?

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 12:55 PM

As Hitleresque as Santorum is, Romney may be even worse. Romney spent years recruiting members into a racist organization of which he was himself a member, even as an adult who had every legal right to leave that racist organization. I myself have never been and have no desire to be a member of a racist group, unlike Romney.

Romney is worse than Mussolini!

The anti-Paul propaganda, how he is alternately ignored or smeared by the establishment has totally thrown me off the Republican Party. I hope it’s days are numbered.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Actually, Hitler was worse than Mussolini, of course…

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Well, Dante, Santorum and Gingrich have shepherded conservative bills through the process and had them signed into law by a Democrat president. They showed leadership and against the odds made good things happen.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 12:55 PM

This is laughable.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM

– Reveal how Paul’s failure to take responsibility for his newsletter problem and travel expenses are really signs of great character and leadership.

He has taken responsibility and addressed these numerous times.

When did he take responsibility, Dante?

When did Paul ever say, “You know, I allowed racist and antisemitic comments in my newsletter. I knew it was in there, but I was making so much money off it I let it slide. That was wrong. I should not have done that. It’s a character flaw which I have worked on.”

or, “I let a newsletter with offensive material go out with my name on it. I should have kept track of my own business. I should have had some idea about what was going on in my name. That was sloppy and irresponsible, and I was wrong to let that happen. Even though I blew this matter, I am now asking for the people’s trust to handle larger matters. Believe me, I’ve learned my lesson.”

or, “I shook off the warnings about double dipping travel expenses. It’s a character flaw which I admit and I’m sorry for abusing this matter which I should have showed more leadership and responsibility for. It’s also a breach of trust with the taxpayers. ”

Instead, what I seem to get from Paul is the idea that I might be crazy to worry about this trivia and I’m a little foolish not to see things his way.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

That will force me to bust out the picture of Reagan with the Klansman.

JohnGalt23 on February 21, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Please. Bust it out. Because I’ve never heard of this before.

But If you don’t have the picture or if this is a badly photoshopped picture, then the allegation is not true.

Conservative Samizdat on February 21, 2012 at 1:10 PM

– How billions in Paul pork made him fiscally responsible.

Paul is a Representative. This is going to come as a shock to you, but that means he is his constituents’ representative voice before the federal government. His constituents’ wealth is seized through taxation, and when appropriations bills come up, he includes their requests in them. You see, the federal government has already decided to spend the wealth it has seized, and Paul, as their representative, is putting their requests in. That’s his job. Paul votes against the budget bills and even against the appropriations bills – and he tells his constituents this up front – because the amount of spending is out of control. If no Congressman made these requests, the money would go to the Executive and they would spend it how they see fit, and you’d never know where it went.

Every single cent spent by the federal government should be earmarked. That’s transparency.

Paul has no success in the ‘cutting spending’ area, then, right, Dante?

No accomplishment, no success, no record.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Mr. Paul’s integrity can apparently be bought for $400

E9RET on February 21, 2012 at 1:15 PM

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

When did Romney ever apologize for recruiting members for a racist group? When did Santorum apologize for his questionable affiliations?

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Paul has no success in the ‘cutting spending’ area, then, right, Dante?

No accomplishment, no success, no record.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Yeah, right, like one guy in Congress is going to cut spending all by himself.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 1:16 PM

– How by refusing to go after Romney’s liberal record, Paul is really taking a stand for conservatism.

Here’s the point, Dante.

Paul needs to go after Romney, by far the most liberal of the GOP candidates. And he has not done so.

Don’t you wonder why Paul is giving Romney a pass?

Paul usually at least talks a decent (if often muddled) game. On this, Paul won’t even talk the talk.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Paul has no success in the ‘cutting spending’ area, then, right, Dante?

No accomplishment, no success, no record.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Yeah, right, like one guy in Congress is going to cut spending all by himself.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Santorum got good legislation through. Gingrich did as well.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 1:19 PM

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 11:20 AM
So are you Jewish? Are all of the people in this thread and others that smear Ron Paul so viciously Jewish? I’ve never had anything against Jewish people—but maybe I should! It sounds like maybe they’re trying to destroy my candidate with lies in order to further their own goals.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Er, no, I’m not Jewish. Dated a Jewish girl once and served in the Army with some Jewish guys, have been known to have Jewish friends, but I don’t think any of that counts. I might even be a neoconservative but I’m not quite sure what neoconservativism is, exactly, except that Ron Paul and his followers don’t seem to like them very much.

All I did was link Endgame, the viciously antisemitic Alex Jones’ documentary in which Ron Paul features prominently. Anyone can watch that conspiratorial dreck in its entirety and draw their own conclusions about Ron Paul and antisemitism.

Meanwhile, beware the dreaded onslaught of those hordes of Jew-created spider-goat hybrids prophesized by Ron Paul and Alex Jones, and be sure to stay away from fluoridated water.

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM

– How Paul’s tactic of ‘blame America first’ isn’t crass opportunism for MSM time, but really a brilliant plan which is bringing peace to the world.

Also false and a logical fallacy.

Rethink it, Dante.

Ron Paul was a regular on morning TV when he was trashing the Bush presidency. Oops! He played right into the democrats’ and MSM hands.

Paul has repeatedly appeared on foreign TV sabotaging US standing in the world.

Paul seems to be a ‘truther’.

Dante, do you really claim that Paul is not a ‘blame America first’ kinda guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuX73Ixqtbg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-pIFgvmY34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYbLR03JnYE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8L2mH-kAlw

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Floating Rock, isn’t there ANYTHING about Paul that makes you go “Whoa”?

Voter from WA State on February 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM

I’ve never said Ron Paul was perfect. It is just another part of the anti-Paul fiction that all of his supporters are fanatics and extremists. If you want to talk about extremists, let’s talk about the Republican Party, which is a party of generational thieves burying the future of the country under a mountain of debt that they’re spending on themselves and their cronies.

Generational theft, which the Republican Party continues to participate in to this day, is extremely immoral and indefensible.

No, I never said Paul was perfect, this is what I said:

I don’t mind that there are occasional hit pieces on Ron Paul here, I just wish that there were some positive ones from time to time as well.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 1:32 PM

except that Ron Paul and his followers don’t seem to like them very much.

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM

That’s because they’re bankrupting our nation and burying America’s young people under a mountain of debt they’ll never be able to get out from under, and they’re doing it in order to pay for numerous proxy wars and nation building exercises all over the world. Pay no attention to the fact that it also very profitable for Republican cronies.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Pardon, I meat scumbag Republican cronies.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Another reason to hate neocons is because they’re helping the spread of Islamonazi’s across the ME.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Another reason I hate neocons, or at least one of them, is because William Kristol of the Weekly Standard supported the Kelo verses City of New London decision, which allows government to confiscate private property and give it to their cronies. He said it would be “good for business”.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Neocons are enemies of freedom and liberty!

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Paul needs to go after Romney, by far the most liberal of the GOP candidates. And he has not done so.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

He “needs” to? So your want becomes a need? And this is somehow a knock against Paul?

Give me a break.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Anyone else remember the cute little dodge Ru came up with for not releasing his tax returns? He would be embarrassed because he didn’t make as much money as Romney and the others! The liberal media swallowed that and moved on!

Why is this guy handled by the media with velvet gloves?

slickwillie2001 on February 21, 2012 at 1:43 PM

There is nothing “fraudulent” in seeking or accepting reimbursements from both the appropriated expense fund and a private fund. However, all such overpayments DO constitute taxable income and failing to disclose this income IS a violation.

The degree of the violation and the remedy depends on several factors and is within the sole discretion of the IRS (unless the House Ethics Committee investigates, but they can only enforce the House rules).

There is a long history of IRS rulings and dealings with sitting members of Congress. Suffice it to say they stand a much better chance of a favorable ruling on their activities and minimal penalties than the average citizen. All gray areas tend to resolve in favor of the officeholder.

Maybe it has something to do with Congress’ control over budgets, salary and benefit ranges, oversight, and the like, or maybe it is just coincidence.

Adjoran on February 21, 2012 at 2:12 PM

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at multiple posts

You can squeal all you want, these are serious charges if Paul didn’t pay taxes on the overpayments.

And, the charges do not come from a “neocon” OR the Trilateral Commission, but from a fellow libertarian who is blowing the whistle.

Adjoran on February 21, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Neocons are enemies of freedom and liberty!

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 1:39 PM

I guess you decided to ignore those parts of my argument proving Ron Paul is an antisemitic conspiracy theorist and resort to vacuous sloganeering.

Either embrace and defend Dr. Paul’s wretched bigotry in toto or eschew it entirely. With him and those like him, you can’t cherry-pick the parts you like and ignore the rest. It’s all or nothing.

It’s true Mussolini made the trains in Italy run on time. It’s also irrelevant.

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I guess you decided to ignore those parts of my argument proving Ron Paul is an antisemitic conspiracy theorist and resort to vacuous sloganeering.

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

You did no such thing, you posted two links called “endgame”, made various claims about how it proves Ron Paul is antisemitic, but the links you posted are actually to a hot air thread about a Rick Perry speech.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Of course troy is so bereft of intellectual honesty, he will not even say who he is supporting, so this rule about “embracing” a particular candidate’s bad points does not apply to him.

iwasbornwithit on February 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Why was Romney a member of a group that did not allow blacks as members until the late 1970′s?

iwasbornwithit on February 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

It reminds me of how scumbag Republicans posted links to videos they claimed proved Ron Paul was a truther, when in reality the videos proved no such thing, and in fact one of the videos actually proved that Ron Paul is not a truther. No matter, they continued to claim the proof was there regardless, in spite of the facts.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Why was Romney a member of a group that did not allow blacks as members until the late 1970′s?

iwasbornwithit on February 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

He was a recruiter for them.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 2:58 PM

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