Did Paul know about double reimbursements for travel expenses?

posted at 9:55 am on February 21, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Two weeks ago, Roll Call unearthed a number of occasions where Rep. Ron Paul took full reimbursements for travel from both taxpayers and from political groups, apparently pocketing the cash.  His campaign responded that a few errors might have occurred but no intentional fraud had ever occurred.  Today, Roll Call reports that they have found more cases of double-dipping, and get libertarian activist and former Paul ally David James to go on the record as saying he warned Paul of this very practice — and that it lead to a falling out between the two:

Roll Call reported Feb. 6 that Paul was repeatedly paid twice for flights between Washington, D.C., and his Congressional district, receiving reimbursement from taxpayers and also from a network of political and nonprofit organizations he controlled, according to public records and credit card statements for an American Express card in Paul’s name.

Spokesman Jesse Benton said then it was “possible that wholly inadvertent errors were made in a handful of instances” in which flights were reimbursed twice, but he maintained that “absolutely zero taxpayer funds were ever misused.”

But James’ recollection and new documents obtained by Roll Call suggest Paul was aware that he was often being reimbursed twice for individual flights. In all, Roll Call found 26 flights in which several layers of documentation show double payments: credit card statements that detail the ticket purchases, a payment to Paul from his taxpayer-funded House account for reimbursement of a flight and Federal Election Commission records or copies of checks that verify a second payment from a separate group for the same flight.

Roll Call obtained copies of checks from the Liberty Committee to American Express that paid for Paul’s expenses. The records obtained by Roll Call cover about 17 nonconsecutive months. Beyond the 26 flights, documents show an additional 31 flights where it appears Paul was double-reimbursed but the records lack sufficient detail to prove duplicate payments.

The issue between James and Paul goes back to 2005, when James first discovered the double-dipping and assumed it was an error.  As chair of the Liberty Committee, he pressed Paul’s office to get documentation for the flights that the Liberty Committee had already reimburses, but kept getting stalled by Paul and his Congressional staff.  James raised the issue directly with Paul and got a surprising response:

The office manager said Paul’s Congressional office no longer had documentation for that flight; Paul had sent it in to the House Finance Office for reimbursement. But Liberty Committee had already sent a check to American Express to cover the charge on Paul’s credit card.

“I don’t care what flights the Liberty Committee pays for,” James said, “because Ron never took enough in expenses to come anywhere near his value to us. And this was piddly. But it’s just what it was.”

James first thought it was accidental and faxed a letter to Paul’s office, requesting that its money be returned for the flight. Paul did repay the $403.70, but the episode strained their relationship and led to a falling out a year later.

In a subsequent conversation, James raised the issue, and Paul “was very curt, and he simply said, ‘Yep, well, happens all the time,’” James, 64, told Roll Call.

In the end, this contributed to a battle between James and Paul over control of Liberty Committee.  After a series of conflicts over this and other issues, Paul tried to get the LC’s board to toss James out of the group and align themselves with Paul.  The effort failed, and James remains in control of the Liberty Committee.  The group still backs libertarian-based legislation in Congress, including from Paul, but no longer have ties to Paul’s Congressional office.  Roll Call reports that James sent a demand last week for an explanation of $10,000 in reimbursements for almost twenty flights that may have been double-billed to taxpayers and the LC, and have yet to get a response.

Despite the response from the campaign earlier this month, Paul and his Congressional staff knew about this issue for years before Roll Call reported the story, and apparently did little to resolve it.  Two weeks ago, I wrote that this would likely end in some checks being cut and disclosure forms amended, but Paul’s team had better start working on that ASAP before this turns into an Ethics Committee hearing.


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This is lame. Move on.

HopeHeFails on February 21, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Yawn.

JohnGalt23 on February 21, 2012 at 9:58 AM

No – he was too busy playing Angry Birds

jake-the-goose on February 21, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Two weeks ago, Roll Call unearthed a number of occasions where Rep. Ron Paul took full reimbursements for travel from both taxpayers and from political groups, apparently pocketing the cash.
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So thats why Ron Paul is always smiling,er,wears a
Perma-Smirk!!
(sarc)

canopfor on February 21, 2012 at 9:59 AM

If Ron is smart, he will immediately fire his current staff (assuming he doesn’t truly know, and this story cast doubt on that). This sort of stuff would send private sector workers in jail.

nobar on February 21, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I think he once forgot to file the $20 he won at poker on his tax return.

V-rod on February 21, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Yeps, this is clearly a much bigger issue than voting to fund Planet Parenthood like Santorum – and boasting about it.

Ethics Committee? For this? Haha.

joana on February 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Oops!

James’s nonprofit group, the Liberty Committee, had paid for one of Paul’s flights, and James needed a receipt or boarding pass to document the expense. He’d been pushing Paul for the paperwork and now, on the phone, he was “putting his foot down.”

“So I called the office manager,” James recalled. “They knew me, like, as well as they knew Ron. And I said, ‘Liberty Committee is paying for this expense. I need to get the boarding pass or the ticket or something.’”

The office manager said Paul’s Congressional office no longer had documentation for that flight; Paul had sent it in to the House Finance Office for reimbursement. But Liberty Committee had already sent a check to American Express to cover the charge on Paul’s credit card.

“I don’t care what flights the Liberty Committee pays for,” James said, “because Ron never took enough in expenses to come anywhere near his value to us. And this was piddly. But it’s just what it was.”

James first thought it was accidental and faxed a letter to Paul’s office, requesting that its money be returned for the flight. Paul did repay the $403.70, but the episode strained their relationship and led to a falling out a year later.

In a subsequent conversation, James raised the issue, and Paul “was very curt, and he simply said, ‘Yep, well, happens all the time,’” James, 64, told Roll Call.

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/57_98/Associate-Confronted-Ron-Paul-About-Flights-212541-1.html?pos=htmbtxt

canopfor on February 21, 2012 at 10:03 AM

So they broke their friendship up over $400?

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Oh! No wonder during the debate he said he would be embarrassed to release his tax returns! Here, I thought it was because Newt and Mitt made so much money that he was hesitant.

KOOLAID2 on February 21, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Ethics Committee? For this? Haha.

joana on February 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM

joana:Maybe an investigation into FLOTUS trip,with her heram to
Spain,for starters!

canopfor on February 21, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Paul “was very curt, and he simply said, ‘Yep, well, happens all the time,’”

Ron’s been in Washington too long. Accidental double billing does happen, but once it’s pointed out, you make sure to make things right.

rbj on February 21, 2012 at 10:08 AM

i think this is indicative of a deeper problem, the man intentionally solicited income for years from a holocaust denying magazine by the name of spotlight, run by notorious nazi Willis Carto, so we know he’s not above morality when it comes to obtaining his income, i would like to see his tax returns, i’m personally of the belief that he uses all these PACS and “moneybombs” by his followers as a aort of piggybank to live a high end lifestyle, things like this are part and parcel of it.

remember at the CNN debate with Blitzer when he was asked about releasing his tax records?, he jokingly dismissed the notion because “it’s puny compared to the other guys”, well i think he has other reasons for not disclosing it. Would be interesting if he did so

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 10:08 AM

“Not groovy/”

Fallon on February 21, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Later this week RollCall will have an expose on Ron Paul – apparently when Ron was 7 he swiped a handful of gummy bears from the candy store.

Then in 1986 when attending the release of James Cameron’s ‘Aliens’ Ron Paul failed to dispose of his empty cup in the waste recepticle conveniently placed near the theatre exit.

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN!

McSmack on February 21, 2012 at 10:10 AM

People are really defending double dipping in this thread? Sometimes I hate human nature.

“That’s my guy. So yeah, no big deal. They all do it. Oh yeah?!? What about so and so doing this or that?!?”

NotCoach on February 21, 2012 at 10:13 AM

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 10:08 AM

You forgot to add that Ron has Nazi flags in his house where he worships and praises Hitler every day

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Funny how stuff like this is all Ed has. He can never argue against Paul’s votes, record, or positions.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Rep. Ron Paul took full reimbursements for travel from both taxpayers and from political groups, apparently pocketing the cash… Today, Roll Call reports that they have found more cases of double-dipping…

I think he once forgot to file the $20 he won at poker on his tax return.

V-rod on February 21, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Not what this is about.

Ethics Committee? For this?

joana on February 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM

If there is a pattern of abuse, yes.

Fallon on February 21, 2012 at 10:15 AM

ed, your obsession with Ron Paul only masks your fear of what is to come….the age of the Neocon is passing. Instead of having a fit like a baby in a soiled diaper, I suggest you make nice with Ron Paul. One way or another, the libertarians are taking over the Republican Party and we will drive. Get on board, get out of the way or get run down.//

standupandbecounted on February 21, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Pure as the wind driven snow. Talk about someone who went to Washington and never left.

Garym on February 21, 2012 at 10:16 AM

You forgot to add that Ron has Nazi flags in his house where he worships and praises Hitler every day

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:14 AM

He may as well. Sleep with dogs you get fleas. You can try and snark away his stupidity all you want, but it doesn’t work.

NotCoach on February 21, 2012 at 10:16 AM

People are really defending double dipping in this thread? Sometimes I hate human nature.

“That’s my guy. So yeah, no big deal. They all do it. Oh yeah?!? What about so and so doing this or that?!?”

NotCoach on February 21, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Absolutely not.

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM

The amounts are involved are ridiculously small – only if you compare them to the amounts that we EXPECT politicians to steal from us.

As I posted when the original news item came out, this doesn’t happen by “accident” more than once or twice. Paul is a thief – albeit a cheesy little two-bit thief.

peski on February 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM

People are really defending double dipping in this thread? Sometimes I hate human nature.

“That’s my guy. So yeah, no big deal. They all do it. Oh yeah?!? What about so and so doing this or that?!?”

NotCoach on February 21, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Same sort of people who defended horny hick Billy Jeff Clinton because “it was all about sex.” No it wasn’t. It was about lying his Arkansan ass off in front of a grand jury where he was called to testify in a sexual harassment case which he, as a lib, had set the rules for. Same here. It’s not about the $400. It’s about unethical behavior that would get anyone else a stint in the clinker.

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM

It’s about unethical behavior that would get anyone else a stint in the clinker.

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Or fired at the very least.

NotCoach on February 21, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Funny how stuff a credible ethics allegation like this is all Ed has. He can never argue against Paul’s votes, record, or positions.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:15 AM

By way of clarification, of course. And if you think that a voting record makes this all okay, Maxine Waters would like to have a word with you about adding you to her staff.

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 10:19 AM

You may argue that this is a small, insignificant matter. But Ron Paul has led no large, consequential movements (such as cutting government or spending), (or expanding the sphere of freedom.) So this kind of piddly thing is all we have to judge Ron Paul by.

In review… Paul brought billions of pork home to his own district.

He didn’t know about the racist, antisemitic tenor of his own newsletter, apparently.

And now we have Ron Paul double dipping for travel expenses.

Ron Paul is not fiscally responsible. He’s not a leader. He doesn’t take responsibility for what he should be in charge of. He has accomplished nothing as a congressman. Paul is condescending. He is willing to trash conservatives at the drop of a hat to get himself face time in the MSM.

These things should be a problem, even for his own supporters.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Ron Paul is not fiscally responsible. He’s not a leader. He doesn’t take responsibility for what he should be in charge of. He has accomplished nothing as a congressman. Paul is condescending. He is willing to trash conservatives at the drop of a hat to get himself face time in the MSM.

These things should be a problem, even for his own supporters.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM

But they’re not. So here we are.

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM

If you’re willing to steal a little, you’re willing to steal a lot.

tommyboy on February 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM

In review… Paul brought billions of pork home to his own district

Either him or O. Who do you choose?

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Meanwhile………………………………

O/T.WTH..WTF…why have inspectors…what a joke!

Iran:
******

UN inspection team ‘has no plans’ to visit nuclear sites, only holding talks with officials in Tehran

Submitted 24 mins ago from http://www.google.com
http://www.breakingnews.com/
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Iran says UN nuke inspectors will not visit sites
44 minutes ago
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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — A U.N. team visiting Iran has no plans to inspect the country’s nuclear facilities and will only hold talks with officials in Tehran, Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman said Tuesday.

The remarks by Ramin Mehmanparast cast doubt on how much the U.N. inspectors would be able to gauge whether Iran is moving ahead with its suspected pursuit of nuclear weapons.

The two-day visit by the International Atomic Energy Agency team, which started Monday, is the second in less than a month amid growing concerns over alleged Iranian weapons experiments.

Iran denies charges by the West that it seeks atomic weapons, insisting its nuclear activities are for peaceful purposes only, such as power generation.

Mehmanparast said the visiting IAEA team was made up of experts, not inspectors. He told reporters that the IAEA team was holding discussions Tuesday in Tehran to prepare the ground for future cooperation between Iran and the U.N. watchdog. He said this cooperation is at its “best” level.

“The titles of the members of the visiting delegation is not inspectors. This is an expert delegation. The purpose of visit is not inspection,” said Mehmanparast. “The aim is to negotiate about cooperation between Iran and the agency and to set a framework for a continuation of the talks.”

Visits to individual Iranian nuclear sites were also not part of the IAEA earlier visit three weeks ago.
(More…..)
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jtZn8DMTTJW7Qeyzeouq_L5S2sYg?docId=dce5d7c4680d4e848b74aa92396f768e

canopfor on February 21, 2012 at 7:19 AM

canopfor on February 21, 2012 at 10:22 AM

57 flights is not a mistake.

Voter from WA State on February 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM

There must be one freebee per state…

NotCoach on February 21, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Nice to know that integrity only means something when its the other guy in the line of fire and not your boy.

eva3071 on February 21, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Either him or O. Who do you choose?

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Neither.

NotCoach on February 21, 2012 at 10:23 AM

These things should be a problem, even for his own supporters.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM

It’s only a problem for the ignorant who are easily swayed by demagogues.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:23 AM

These things should be a problem, even for his own supporters.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative.

Garym on February 21, 2012 at 10:25 AM

No – he was too busy playing Angry Birds

jake-the-goose on February 21, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Paul and the Birds do seem to share the same frenzied eyebrow gene…

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Would’nt have to worry. He won’t make it through the Republican nomination regardless.

eva3071 on February 21, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Either him or O. Who do you choose?

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:22 AM

None of the above. Ron “Stormfront” Paul and Buraq “Rev. Wright” Obozo are cut from the same cloth.

G M on February 21, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Meanwhile………………………………

O/T.WTH..WTF…why have inspectors…what a joke!

canopfor on February 21, 2012 at 10:22 AM

So you are a UN supporter?

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM

It’s only a problem for the ignorant who are easily swayed by demagogues.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:23 AM

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM

See what I mean.

Garym on February 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM

These things should be a problem, even for his own supporters.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM

It’s only a problem for the ignorant who are easily swayed by demagogues.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Kind of… funny if you think about it.

Fallon on February 21, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Oh, goody. The next debate gets to be all about Ron Paul’s expense account. That’ll be fun and enlightening. You know who this helps…

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Oh, goody. The next debate gets to be all about Ron Paul’s expense account. That’ll be fun and enlightening. You know who this helps…

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Everybody but Ron Paul. The sooner Ron Paul and his goons for supporters are put down, the better.

eva3071 on February 21, 2012 at 10:29 AM

It’s only a problem for the ignorant who are easily swayed by demagogues.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:23 AM

I wish someone would demagogue Paul’s lack of accomplishments, his lack of leadership, his hypocrisy on spending, his inability to perceive the world as it is, and his crass opportunism of trashing conservatives to get himself a little press…

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM

O/T,

US Supreme Court to take new look at affirmative action for 1st time since 2003
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Submitted 15 mins ago from hosted.ap.org
http://www.breakingnews.com/
============================

Feb 21, 10:10 AM EST
High court to take new look at affirmative action
***************************************************

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court will once again confront the issue of race in university admissions in a case brought by a white student denied a spot at the flagship campus of the University of Texas.

The court said Tuesday it will return to the issue of affirmative action in higher education for the first time since its 2003 decision endorsing the use of race as a factor in admissions. This time around, a more conservative court is being asked to jettison that ruling and outlaw affirmative action in the university setting.

A federal appeals court upheld the Texas program at issue.

The case will be argued in the fall.
(more…)
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_AFFIRMATIVE_ACTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

canopfor on February 21, 2012 at 10:32 AM

You forgot to add that Ron has Nazi flags in his house where he worships and praises Hitler every day

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:14 AM

as of this moment his campaign chair in chicago is a white supremacist/neo-nazi, his second in command in california is a white supremacist/neonazi, and he met on a consistent basis with the board of directors of a neo-nazi group, this all came from hacking the private e-mails of a neo-nazi group by anonymous:

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/02/04/ron-paul-campaign-denies-white-supremacist-ties/

your snark is misplaced, i’m not even getting into the decades old ties he has with Don Black, founder of stormfront, he was implicated with Paul in illicit activity in the 80′s, including an attempt to invade a small west Indian island and turn it into some weird aryan outpost.

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Ed, are you regretting telling everyone and then open registration now? Have you noticed most of the regulars have left because of the idiots?

*shakes head*

upinak on February 21, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Oh, goody. The next debate gets to be all about Ron Paul’s expense account. That’ll be fun and enlightening. You know who this helps…

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Character should matter. At least in a rational world.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:36 AM

You forgot to add that Ron has Nazi flags in his house where he worships and praises Hitler every day

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:14 AM

as of this moment his campaign chair in chicago is a white supremacist/neo-nazi, his second in command in california is a white supremacist/neonazi, and he met on a consistent basis with the board of directors of a neo-nazi group, this all came from hacking the private e-mails of a neo-nazi group by anonymous:

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/02/04/ron-paul-campaign-denies-white-supremacist-ties/

your snark is misplaced, i’m not even getting into the decades old ties he has with Don Black, founder of stormfront, he was implicated with Paul in illicit activity in the 80′s, including an attempt to invade a small west Indian island and turn it into some weird aryan outpost.

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Oh snap! Notorious=PWNED!

G M on February 21, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Ed, are you regretting telling everyone and then open registration now? Have you noticed most of the regulars have left because of the idiots?

*shakes head*

upinak on February 21, 2012 at 10:33 AM

upinak:

GoodMorning Upper North,great to see ya,and you are correct!:)

canopfor on February 21, 2012 at 10:40 AM

I wish someone would demagogue Paul’s lack of accomplishments, his lack of leadership, his hypocrisy on spending, his inability to perceive the world as it is, and his crass opportunism of trashing conservatives to get himself a little press…

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM

You are exactly to whom I was referring. Ignorant means uninformed, and you, sir, are uninformed.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Ed, are you regretting telling everyone and then open registration now? Have you noticed most of the regulars have left because of the idiots?

*shakes head*

upinak on February 21, 2012 at 10:33 AM

What are you talking about? There are plenty of Santorum supporters in here.

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:42 AM

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 10:33 AM

OMG. . . there’s pics of Paul at a Klan rally!

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:47 AM

I wish someone would demagogue Paul’s lack of accomplishments, his lack of leadership, his hypocrisy on spending, his inability to perceive the world as it is, and his crass opportunism of trashing conservatives to get himself a little press…

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM

We need a better leader. Someone like Rick Santorum who led the charges to kill aright-to-work legislation. He’s the leader we need.

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Well, if Paul didn’t know it then, he sure knows it now.

What does he know? He knows that there isn’t a stone left unturned by the Obama “Politics Of Self-Destruction” squads of gossiping biddies that are out there looking, desperately, for anything that can be used to savage any possible opponent.

In reality, American politics should have a wave of real personal destruction, namely, duels to the death, to stamp out as many of the old biddies of the Democrat party as possible.

dockywocky on February 21, 2012 at 10:49 AM

I don’t mind that there are occasional hit pieces on Ron Paul here, I just wish that there were some positive ones from time to time as well.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM

…and his crass opportunism of trashing conservatives to get himself a little press…

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM

It looks like so-called conservatives are very successful in trashing themselves without any help from Ron Paul. Allow to enter exhibits A (Newt Gingrich), B (Rick Santorum), and C (Mitt Romney) into evidence, Your Honor?

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM

OMG. . . there’s pics of Paul at a Klan rally!

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Well, he’s got to thank his supporters in person, right? It’s not like he had to pay to fly there…..

G M on February 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM

your snark is misplaced, i’m not even getting into the decades old ties he has with Don Black, founder of stormfront, he was implicated with Paul in illicit activity in the 80′s, including an attempt to invade a small west Indian island and turn it into some weird aryan outpost.

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 10:33 AM

To clarify, Ron Paul was not implicated in the notoriously inept ‘Bayou of Pigs’ expedition to pull off a white supremacist takeover of the tiny Caribbean island country of Dominica. Black and his buddies managed to fail spectacularly on that one without help from Ron Paul, although I’m sure they could’ve used the good Doctor’s in-depth knowledge of the mind control powers of fluoridated water.

troyriser_gopftw on February 21, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Notorious GOP on February 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Deflectors on Santorum?

NotCoach on February 21, 2012 at 10:51 AM

We get the government we deserve.

We get the politicians we deserve.

Comments that seek to minimize or excuse a pattern of corruption and theft exemplify one of the reasons we have corruption in government.

Fraud is fraud, and theft is theft. A pattern of fraud and theft infers a serious defect of character.

Attempting to excuse or minimize a pattern of fraud and theft infers some real problems as well. People need to engage in some real soul-searching before they reflexively leap to the defense of such misconduct.

novaculus on February 21, 2012 at 10:53 AM

I don’t mind that there are occasional hit pieces on Ron Paul here, I just wish that there were some positive ones from time to time as well.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM

There are plenty of postive pieces on Loon Paul at prison planet and stormfront. I’m sure you have them bookmarked anyway.

G M on February 21, 2012 at 10:53 AM

It makes no sense to give a man more power, when he has demonstrated he cannot act ethically with less power.

According to Paul supporters, it is OK for Paul to act in an unethical manner because the dollar amount is sufficiently low. For the Paul supporters, the length of time over which he demonstrated his willingness to double-dip matters not. “Ethics Committee? For this? Haha.”

Paul can’t shrug this off. Either he knew and approved of the double-dipping, or his leadership allowed for an environment in which this was seen as acceptable. Either situation does not bode well for one who seeks the presidency.

I’m inclined to allow for the possibility that one can recover from a single lapse in judgment, rather than a persistent demonstration of being ethically challenged, as we see in Paul.

STL_Vet on February 21, 2012 at 10:54 AM

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Yes! Paul is such an anti-Semite, Nazi sympathizer that he has a relationship with the von Mises institute, and counts von Mises and Murray Rothbard among his friends and teachers. It’s why he is always saying Israel should act in her own interests without the US pulling her strings or giving money to her enemies.

It’s such a tired, intellectually dishonest argument by the willfully ignorant.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Later this week RollCall will have an expose on Ron Paul – apparently when Ron was 7 he swiped a handful of gummy bears from the candy store.

Then in 1986 when attending the release of James Cameron’s ‘Aliens’ Ron Paul failed to dispose of his empty cup in the waste recepticle conveniently placed near the theatre exit.

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN!

McSmack on February 21, 2012 at 10:10 AM

“Denial is not a river in Egypt!”

Boats48 on February 21, 2012 at 10:56 AM

I just hope that, at the next debate, someone asks Paul where in the Constitution the founders authorized double-dipping.

/s

cs89 on February 21, 2012 at 10:57 AM

There are plenty of postive pieces on Loon Paul at prison planet and stormfront. I’m sure you have them bookmarked anyway.

G M on February 21, 2012 at 10:53 AM

/middle finger

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Double reimbursements? END OF THE REPUBLIC! Oh… it’s Ron Paul… it’s all cool.

Using a Bible verse to establish a policy? THEOCRACY AND END OF THE REPUBLIC! Oh… it’s Ron Paul… it’s all cool.

Denying evolution? THEOCRACY AND END OF THE REPUBLIC! Oh… it’s Ron Paul… it’s all cool.

Remember, kids, it’s OK… if Ron Paul does it. After all, this election is about the future… availability of pot and pornography.

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mankai on February 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM

“Two weeks ago, I wrote that this would likely end in some checks being cut and disclosure forms amended, but Paul’s team had better start working on that ASAP before this turns into an Ethics Committee hearing.” – Ed

Which means that, being a Republican, he’ll resign of course.
He could always join Chollie Rangel (he served in Korea, ya know) on the beach.
NY Post
http://tinyurl.com/26mk2sd

Now that would allow RP and CR to double-dip in the water too.

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on February 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM

“It makes me damned angry that he would have taken the Liberty Committee, which was designed to work to pass liberty-oriented legislation and withstand any scrutiny and have contaminated it from the very beginning,” James said.

“It never in a million years occurred to me that this man would be capable of what we can now see. So when there’s mass hysteria and disbelief when this is published, I am not surprised. I was right with them.”

Between this, Dondero’s accounts, newsletters, fundraising letters, etc…it’s clear there’s a big disconnect between the Paul the Ronulans want to exist vs. the kind of guy Paul really is.

Read the whole article. There’s detail in there about how Paul didn’t want the Liberty Committee to be operating independently, instead “insisting its checkbook be kept in his Clute, Texas, business under the care of a family member — Nora LeBlanc, the mother-in-law of Paul’s youngest daughter, Joy.
Paul’s business office in Clute is where Lori Paul Pyeatt, his daughter, works as treasurer for Paul’s presidential and Congressional campaigns, Liberty PAC, the Campaign for Liberty and FREE.[/quote]

Herr Doktor has quite the family operation.

JohnTant on February 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM

So, if Israel believes that bombing the Shiite out of Iran (literally) is in her best interest… Ron Paul will be the first to the podium to defend her? We shall see.

mankai on February 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

We don’t need that . . . Paulbots are here to spread his word.

Voter from WA State on February 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM

We don’t need fair coverage of the candidates so that people can make their own informed choice? What about Reagan’s 11th commandment?

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

I wish someone would demagogue Paul’s lack of accomplishments, his lack of leadership, his hypocrisy on spending, his inability to perceive the world as it is, and his crass opportunism of trashing conservatives to get himself a little press…

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM

You are exactly to whom I was referring. Ignorant means uninformed, and you, sir, are uninformed.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Well, Dante, here’s your chance to educate me.

- Tell me of Ron Paul’s successes in cutting government regulation.

- Remind me of that time when the Ron-Paul-led-coalition slashed government spending.

- Reveal how Paul’s failure to take responsibility for his newsletter problem and travel expenses are really signs of great character and leadership.

- How billions in Paul pork made him fiscally responsible.

- How by refusing to go after Romney’s liberal record, Paul is really taking a stand for conservatism.

- How Paul’s tactic of ‘blame America first’ isn’t crass opportunism for MSM time, but really a brilliant plan which is bringing peace to the world.

Wow, that was snarky… but there you have it, Dante. For me, the case is devastating.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 11:02 AM

What racist fliers?

How did my signature get on there?

Get off my lawn!!!

crash72 on February 21, 2012 at 11:03 AM

We don’t need fair coverage of the candidates so that people can make their own informed choice? What about Reagan’s 11th commandment?

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Unless you are flat-out denying that Ron Paul is a double dipping fraud who is stealing from the taxpayers, this “hit piece” IS fair coverage.

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 11:03 AM

It was all done in Confederate currency so it’s okay.

Seth Halpern on February 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Between this, Dondero’s accounts, newsletters, fundraising letters, etc…it’s clear there’s a big disconnect between the Paul the Ronulans want to exist vs. the kind of guy Paul really is.

JohnTant on February 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

The disconnect is between the smears and the truth.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM

mankai on February 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM

You put it all in one Paulnut shell nicely.

peski on February 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM

I just hope that, at the next debate, someone asks Paul where in the Constitution the founders authorized double-dipping.

cs89 on February 21, 2012 at 10:57 AM

That was obviously intended to be a joke but shows blatant (and, unfortunately, rather typical) ignorance of the poster. The Constitution is intended to only impose restrictions on the government. Therefore, the right question to ask was whether the Constitution disallows double dipping, and the answer is “no, it does not”. That’s what statute code is for.

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM

The disconnect is between the smears and the truth.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM

I’ll ask again: Do you believe and are you asserting that Ron did not double dip and steal from taxpayers?

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Unless you are flat-out denying that Ron Paul is a double dipping fraud who is stealing from the taxpayers, this “hit piece” IS fair coverage.

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 11:03 AM

I have no idea. For all I know the guy making the accusation is a Santorum or Romney supporter engaging in the same sort of baseless smears that a lot of scumbag Republicans partake in here.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM

These things should be a problem, even for his own supporters.

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative.

Garym on February 21, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Doctor, heal thyself. Railing against government waste while engaging in double-dipping is sheer hypocrisy. Shinty is spot on.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on February 21, 2012 at 11:09 AM

I have no idea. For all I know the guy making the accusation is a Santorum or Romney supporter engaging in the same sort of baseless smears that a lot of scumbag Republicans partake in here.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Read the goddam article, chump! David James used to consider himself a very dear friend of Ron Paul’s! It was James’ “Liberty Committee” that got dipped once for the flights, and the taxpayers who got it in the tush the second time.

I’m just waiting for one Ronulan to tell me, on this thread, “Ron Paul did not double dip and steal from taxpayers.”

/crickets

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Yes! Paul is such an anti-Semite, Nazi sympathizer that he has a relationship with the von Mises institute, and counts von Mises and Murray Rothbard among his friends and teachers. It’s why he is always saying Israel should act in her own interests without the US pulling her strings or giving money to her enemies.

It’s such a tired, intellectually dishonest argument by the willfully ignorant.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Rothbard is a Jew as much as marx was, he was a racist and a self-hating individual who tried to mold the libertarian movement with White supremacists like David Duke, that’s probably where Pauls admiration came from, as far as the Israel thing, he’s been agitating for years to destroy the state according to his personal aides, and has been prattling along with cute soundbites defending suicide bombings and calling Jews nazis on Iranian propaganda channels,save your deflections for somebody less ignorant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1t4O9CcZQ0

golembythehudson on February 21, 2012 at 11:11 AM

The disconnect is between the smears and the truth.

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM

So, double-dipping aside, what is the truth about Paul and neonazis?

G M on February 21, 2012 at 11:11 AM

What about Reagan’s 11th commandment?

FloatingRock on February 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Remember when Paul trashed Bachmann for opposing a nuclear Iran? Paul said she wanted to go to war with all Muslims. Paul has no problem distorting and trashing conservatives.

Or, maybe Paul could go after the liberal Romney for a change?

shinty on February 21, 2012 at 11:12 AM

So, if Israel believes that bombing the Shiite out of Iran (literally) is in her best interest… Ron Paul will be the first to the podium to defend her? We shall see.

mankai on February 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Yes, and he’s said so, even during the debates. He was the lone voice in Congress to support Israel when she did it against Iraq.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Yes, and he’s said so, even during the debates. He was the lone voice in Congress to support Israel when she did it against Iraq.

Dante on February 21, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Because we all know that campaign rhetoric and debates is the best window into what a candidate believes./

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Here, let me straighten out that pretzel for you…

“Ron Paul- Does the Constitution authorize fraudulent payment to Congress for expenses already covered by other entities? Yes or no?”

(Oh, and BTW- Congressman Paul is part of the government, isn’t he?)

cs89 on February 21, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Time and time again I am struck how stingy, parsimonious and, yes, crooked famous people can be and frequently over such paltry amounts of money.

And when I see such stories, as we are seeing now with Mr. Paul, it makes me wonder how many other ways are they petty and venal? If they are obviously willing to lie and obfuscate for a lousy $400 what else are they willing to lie and obfuscate about?

Besides, $400 is not a minor amount. Let a G.I. deliberately falsify a travel voucher for $400 and see how hard the authorities will come down on him.

And as all of you readers excusing this for being minor, I ask you to consider this. If Mr. Paul’s integrity is worth about $400 what’s his character worth?

E9RET on February 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM

And as all of you readers excusing this for being minor, I ask you to consider this. If Mr. Paul’s integrity is worth about $400 what’s his character worth?

E9RET on February 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Less than Rick Santorum’s.

/BOMB

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM

I’m just waiting for one Ronulan to tell me, on this thread, “Ron Paul did not double dip and steal from taxpayers.”

/crickets

gryphon202 on February 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM

You usually make more sense when I read your posts. This particular question was, I believe, answered earlier. Which part of “we do not have enough information yet” was unclear?

Archivarix on February 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Doctor, heal thyself. Railing against government waste while engaging in double-dipping is sheer hypocrisy. Shinty is spot on.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on February 21, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Sometimes my poor writing gets in the way of my point. I’m with shinty on this. ; )

Garym on February 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM

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