Comeback? Romney back in front in Michigan by two

posted at 7:12 pm on February 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

It’s just one poll, but that’s the first time he’s led in the state in nearly three weeks — and the same poll had him trailing Santorum by nine just a week ago. Another poll out today has the race tied and PPP’s new one, while showing Santorum still ahead by four, has Romney roaring back from a 15-point deficit over the past seven days. (Rasmussen also has Santorum up by four.) How’d he do it? Relentless laser bursts from the Super PAC death star taking their toll on Sweater Vest or something else happening on the ground? Dave Weigel notes that Santorum remains popular among Michigan voters despite losing 11 points to Mitt this week, so the death star’s probably not the culprit. Rather, he speculates that the recent media attention to contraception and Santorum’s outspoken criticism of it might be starting to bite: According to PPP, Michigan voters view birth control favorably by a 56/22 spread. Dig further into the crosstabs and you find this:

Santorum crushes Romney among men but trails by four among women, a gender gap between them that we’ve seen before. Just one little wrinkle in the theory, though: If contraception is hurting Santorum with women in Michigan, how come he’s surging among women nationally?

In a week when much of the national media attention on former Sen. Rick Santorum’s presidential campaign focused on his views on contraception, the Gallup tracking poll showed Santorum’s support among women increasing by 12 points, vaulting him into a 10-point lead among women over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney…

In the week of Feb. 13-19, according to Gallup’s presidential primary tracking poll of registered Republican voters and Republican-leaning independents, Santorum led Romney 34 percent to 29 percent among men and 36 percent to 26 percent among women

In Gallup’s previous week of polling–Feb. 6-12–Romney had led Santorum among men by 32 percent to 28 percent, and among women by 36 percent to 24 percent.

Not only did Santorum gain twice as many points among women last week than he did among men, he actually now does better overall among the former group than the latter. At the very least, then, the contraception issue isn’t impeding his surge in the national polls with either gender; at most, it might actually be helping him insofar as it’s drawing socially conservative women who object to the new HHS contraception mandate into his camp. In fact, in Arizona, where Romney still leads by four, there’s almost no gender gap at all. He beats Santorum by three points among men and five points among women. The problem for RS is that, even though he leads Romney by 10 points nationally in Gallup’s tracker, fully 58 percent of Republicans still think Mitt is more electable against Obama. That’s a high hurdle for Santorum to overcome with undecideds. Could be that Weigel’s right insofar as Michigan voters like RS and respect his views on contraception but have gotten increasingly worried that he simply won’t play in the general election.

According to Nate Silver’s statistical model, the state is now almost a perfectly even toss-up. Seven days and counting.


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Everyone is my family is voting for Mitt Romney.

NO to Rick Santorum the BIGOT!

bluegill on February 21, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Why is Santorum a bigot?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

How about Santorum’s claim that certain segments of Protestantism are not Christians. Can you imagine what Hot Air, Fox News, and Rush would have done if Romney made these claims or that Satan has intruded into the Christian Church, Political Process, and Hollywood?

Hot Air is running out of bad Romney photos and they have had to resort to using the same ones at the same time.

mark cantu on February 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Everyone is my family is voting for Mitt Romney.

NO to Rick Santorum the BIGOT!

bluegill on February 21, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Hi deven. What state are you in?

cynccook on February 21, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Everyone is my family is voting for Mitt Romney.

NO to Rick Santorum the BIGOT!

bluegill on February 21, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I am, too…though, in Virginia, my choices are him and Paul. Not really much to decide, there.

changer1701 on February 21, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Polling in Michigan seems really volatile. That PPP poll last week seemed fishy. I think that Romney ultimately will pull it out.

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Why is Santorum a bigot?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Seriously? You even have to ask? Have you heard how he talks about Satan and his minions???

cynccook on February 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Seriously? You even have to ask? Have you heard how he talks about Satan and his minions???

cynccook on February 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM

So, he’s bigoted against Satan?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Apparently Mitt also thinks that the national agenda should be driven by religion??

SHELBY TOWNSHIP, Mich.—Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Tuesday that President Barack Obama’s administration has “fought against religion” and sought to substitute a “secular” agenda for one grounded in faith

Read more: Romney says Obama has ‘fought against religion’ – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20009544#ixzz1n4NRvF2l

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Hang in there Newt…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on February 21, 2012 at 7:27 PM
+++++7%

Flora Duh on February 21, 2012 at 7:30 PM
+14%?

Night Owl on February 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM

+21% We’re getting there:-)

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Why is Santorum a bigot?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I don’t presume to know the causes of Rick Santorum’s bigotry.

bluegill on February 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

So, he’s bigoted against Satan?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Well, yeah. It’s like he’s obsessed with the Evil One or something.

cynccook on February 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

3 Days Straight … DRUDGE has been running wall to wall anti-Santorum headlines.

Is he in cahoots with Romney? Are there issues here… of campaign collusion? Drudge has a huge following, and this obviously deliberate full out smear of Santorum must be questioned.

anotherJoe on February 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

I don’t presume to know the causes of Rick Santorum’s bigotry.

bluegill on February 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Deven, when is your primary? What state are you in?

cynccook on February 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Why is Santorum a bigot?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I don’t presume to know the causes of Rick Santorum’s bigotry.

bluegill on February 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

(Sigh) Fine. Why did you call him a bigot?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Man, you should have heard Hannity on the radio talk it up how Santorum’s Satan speech really was dead on, and when Santorum said that Obama did believe in the Christian Bible, it was out of context..even though when you listen to what he said, there really is no other way to misinterpret Santorum’s comment.

mark cantu on February 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM

3 Days Straight … DRUDGE has been running wall to wall anti-Santorum headlines.

Is he in cahoots with Romney? Are there issues here… of campaign collusion? Drudge has a huge following, and this obviously deliberate full out smear of Santorum must be questioned.

anotherJoe on February 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

You are familiar with the First Amendment, aren’t you?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

3 Days Straight … DRUDGE has been running wall to wall anti-Santorum headlines.

Is he in cahoots with Romney? Are there issues here… of campaign collusion? Drudge has a huge following, and this obviously deliberate full out smear of Santorum must be questioned.

anotherJoe on February 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Will see if Drudge puts up any incendiary headlines about Mitt complaining today that Obama is substituting a secular agenda for one rooted in faith. I don’t have a problem with what he said, but all things being equal I would expect hysterical outrage about his “technocratic” pronouncement.

neuquenguy on February 21, 2012 at 8:34 PM

3 Days Straight … DRUDGE has been running wall to wall anti-Santorum headlines.

Is he in cahoots with Romney? Are there issues here… of campaign collusion? Drudge has a huge following, and this obviously deliberate full out smear of Santorum must be questioned.

anotherJoe on February 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

And what do you say to Hot Air? You think there could be an Anti-Romney bent here?

mark cantu on February 21, 2012 at 8:35 PM

this obviously deliberate full out smear of Santorum must be questioned.
anotherJoe on February 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Linking to news stories is “a smear” now? Oy. Attaaaack Waaaatch!!

whatcat on February 21, 2012 at 8:37 PM

I got it! Drudge is the Establishment!

mark cantu on February 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

I got it! Drudge is the Establishment!

mark cantu on February 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

If not there, certainly moving there.

astonerii on February 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Just a comment on this Religious aspect that’s being discussed.

Christians themselves have disagreements about the Bible and the interpretations thereof. And that involves all sects of Christianity. Non-Christians may think that all Christians are in agreement, but that is not so:-)

Christians understand what Santorum is saying and what he means.

Santorum is explaining his personal views from the Christian perspective. From what I’ve read and can tell, he’s not voicing policy. The reason he is doing this is due to the HHS mandate and what that means in it’s entirety, not just one aspect of it. This mandate is not just birth control, it’s not just contraceptives, it’s not just abortion, not just the morning after pill and etc. & etc. It’s all of it. Notwithstanding it being Unconstitutional.

Personally, I would have not addressed the effects of the mandate, but the cause, i.e. Unconstitutional.

I think his personal views are being understood to mean these are his positions if he were President, which is not the case.

He needs to clarify these issues, in my opinion.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Oh, Newt & Palin on Hannity tonight.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM

You are familiar with the First Amendment, aren’t you?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:31 PM

We are, but Obama and HHS isn’t, LOL

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Bring back Tim Pawlenty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DavidW on February 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

…He needs to clarify these issues, in my opinion.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Precisely which views do you think need to be clarified? I don’t feel a burning need to know his theological views. They are irrelevant. I want to know what he would do as president.

For my part, I would like for him to drop this subject, and move on to something more fruitful. There are two tacks to take here one is the constitutional question route, and the other is the fiscal question route. The former has been discussed at length. I think that Santorum (or Romney, or Gingrich…ANY Republican candidate!) would hit Obama on the cost of this benefit that he has now declared “free.” Was HHS full of it when they called this benefit costly? What are the projected costs? By what authority can Obama order the insurance companies to give away this benefit for free? Really—Where the Hell are the Republicans on this????

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

I got it! Drudge is the Establishment!
mark cantu on February 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM

So he’s what the hippies were protesting against in the 60s!
:D

whatcat on February 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

How about Santorum’s claim that certain segments of Protestantism are not Christians. Can you imagine what Hot Air, Fox News, and Rush would have done if Romney made these claims or that Satan has intruded into the Christian Church, Political Process, and Hollywood?

Hot Air is running out of bad Romney photos and they have had to resort to using the same ones at the same time.

mark cantu on February 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I agree. Can you just imagine if Romney had said the things about Protestants and Satan that Santorum did?! The not-Romneys on here would be apoplectic in their condemnation and ridicule. It would be wall to wall “magic underwear” and “cult,” but Santorum makes the stupid religious comments, and suddenly we all need a Sunday School lecture because we just don’t understand. Sheesh.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

We are, but Obama and HHS isn’t, LOL

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

:)

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I got it! Drudge is the Establishment!

mark cantu on February 21, 2012 at 8:38 PM
If not there, certainly moving there.

astonerii on February 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Nah, he’s playing both sides against the middle. The Dems want Romney and the Establishment have selected Romney.

When you have Ron Paul & Romney tag teaming you with ads, Drudge slamming you, the Dems and the Establishment, you’re in a world of hurt, LOL

The good side? Newt can save money on ads:-)

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Christians understand what Santorum is saying and what he means.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Speaking for myself, I do.

As for the latest Drudge siren headline that has everyone so worked up, I’m going to re-post something I wrote in another thread.

1. Contrary to what some headlines are inferring, and some people here have repeated, the comments are not recent. They were made in 2008.

2. Again, contrary to what’s being inferred, the comments were not off the cuff in an interview, they were part of a speech he gave at a Catholic University.

3. Other than the mention of politics, he didn’t say anything that I haven’t heard coming from the pulpits of Baptist churches.

Flora Duh on February 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I didn’t call Santorum a bigot – but agree with bluegill that he is. I listened to a Santorum campaign speech in 2006 when he stated that “being gay is an evil lifestyle, and gays choose to live it”.

Santorum hasn’t a clue on this issue. Being gay is not a lifestyle, and it is not a choice. Those who are gay were made so by their Creator.

If Santorum wants to oppose gay marriage I will disagree with him but respect his right to that position. However, he can stuff his bigotry on gays choosing to be evil. I was happy to vote him out in 2006 and if he’s still running when the race gets to PA (not aure when that will be after the state Supreme Court threw out the redistricting plan) I’ll happily voite againsts him again.

independentvoice on February 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

shoot – fatfinger typing strikes again.

independentvoice on February 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

By what authority can Obama order the insurance companies to give away this benefit for free? Really—Where the Hell are the Republicans on this????

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Probably the same place he got the authority to make lenders, title companies, attorneys, county recording offices, etc. modify existing mortgages into unsaleable crap for free. His newest refi scam is probably as unconstitutional as the ObamaCare scam.

Night Owl on February 21, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Everyone is my family is voting for Mitt Romney.

NO to Rick Santorum the BIGOT!

bluegill on February 21, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Why is Santorum a bigot?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Because he’s not voting for Romney!

Duh!

/sarc

tom on February 21, 2012 at 9:04 PM

The Dems want Romney

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Sure they do. That’s why Obama’s super pac is running anti-Romney ads in Michigan ahead of that state’s primary. They want to run against Romney so badly that they’re spending money on ads in the other party’s primary hoping to make sure the president doesn’t have to…run against Romney. Wake up, pal.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Everyone is my family is voting for Mitt Romney.

NO to Rick Santorum the BIGOT!

bluegill on February 21, 2012 at 8:10 PM
Why is Santorum a bigot?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I don’t presume to know the causes of Rick Santorum’s bigotry.

bluegill on February 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

If what you don’t know can’t hurt you…bluegill is invulnerable!

KOOLAID2 on February 21, 2012 at 9:10 PM

I didn’t call Santorum a bigot – but agree with bluegill that he is. I listened to a Santorum campaign speech in 2006 when he stated that “being gay is an evil lifestyle, and gays choose to live it”.

Santorum hasn’t a clue on this issue. Being gay is not a lifestyle, and it is not a choice. Those who are gay were made so by their Creator.

If Santorum wants to oppose gay marriage I will disagree with him but respect his right to that position. However, he can stuff his bigotry on gays choosing to be evil. I was happy to vote him out in 2006 and if he’s still running when the race gets to PA (not aure when that will be after the state Supreme Court threw out the redistricting plan) I’ll happily voite againsts him again.

independentvoice on February 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Thanks for responding. (I honestly had forgotten about his views on gays!)

You can correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve never heard Santorum say a word against homosexuals. His condemnation of homosexuality has always been reserved for the act. He believes that the act is wrong, and that people should not engage in it (regardless of whatever their genetic predisposition may be). He probably also believes that not going to Mass on Sunday is wrong, taking communion while in a state of sin is wrong, etc.

Can’t his faith inform him on what is proper conduct? Couldn’t your intolerance of his views be also be considered bigotry? Doesn’t he have a right to believe according to his faith, and to tell others of his beliefs?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Message to those in the beltway pushing Romney……

If Santorum is destroyed like Cain and Perry were by your SuperPacs, etc. I’m voting for Ron Paul next month.

The gop is dead anyway.

PappyD61 on February 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Message to those in the beltway pushing Romney……

If Santorum is destroyed like Cain and Perry were by your SuperPacs, etc. I’m voting for Ron Paul next month.

The gop is dead anyway.

PappyD61 on February 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Have you been following the news? Santorum is being destroyed by Santorum. Will you be able to admit that to yourself, or will his inevitable fall back to earth be someone else’s fault no matter what?

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Message to those in the beltway pushing Romney……

If Santorum is destroyed like Cain and Perry were by your SuperPacs, etc. I’m voting for Ron Paul next month.

The gop is dead anyway.

PappyD61 on February 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Funny… I thought that Cain was destroyed by his inability to discuss issues beyond platitudes, and Perry was destroyed by his tendency to insult his would-be constituents by calling them “heartless.”

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Couldn’t your intolerance of his views be also be considered bigotry?
ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 9:17 PM

I’m intolerant of intolerance!!!
:D

whatcat on February 21, 2012 at 9:24 PM

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM
Precisely which views do you think need to be clarified? I don’t feel a burning need to know his theological views. They are irrelevant. I want to know what he would do as president.

For my part, I would like for him to drop this subject, and move on to something more fruitful. There are two tacks to take here one is the constitutional question route, and the other is the fiscal question route. The former has been discussed at length. I think that Santorum (or Romney, or Gingrich…ANY Republican candidate!) would hit Obama on the cost of this benefit that he has now declared “free.” Was HHS full of it when they called this benefit costly? What are the projected costs? By what authority can Obama order the insurance companies to give away this benefit for free? Really—Where the Hell are the Republicans on this????

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM

He needs to make clear that he is addressing the effects of that HHS mandate from a Christian perspective and then address it from a Constitutional/1st Amendment perspective. And make it clear that he would fight this HHS on that latter basis and not from his own personal Christian views.

I agree, he should have not entered into the personal views as much, but I think due to him being Catholic and this mandate targeted them first could have caused him to enter into that area.

I agree, I’m done with this aspect and he and we as well need to move on and cover some of the issues you’ve raised. One thing before I move on here is that we need to understand this HHS mandate effects all Americans & businesses.

We know the costs will be enormous and we can discuss that aspect as well. However, keep in mind that we may enter into that aspect of it as Santorum did into the Christianity perspective. If this HHS mandate, part of Obamacare goes to Court (pending at SCOTUS) we won’t be arguing from a cost angle. It will be from a Constitutional/1st Amendment position. As to what authority does Obama/HHS have for issuing this mandate? They don’t have any. But who is stopping them? From what I can tell the 7,000 page Obamacare contains a lot that we don’t know. I know under that the HHS/Sebelius has almost complete authority. When Congress passed this, I think only one person had taken the time to read it!!! So, that to me was like giving the President a blank check. Are they now filling it in? I have no idea. We are all so disgusted over this. I would love to see every House and Senate member that voted for this to be voted out of office.

I’m as sick as everyone as where the Republicans are. All I see is they are giving B.O. everything he asks for.

All we have is our vote and I hope when we finally have a Nominee, we get to the polls with every man, woman and child, LOL Well, you know what I mean:-) Feel free to add to my lengthy comments.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 9:30 PM

I don’t presume to know the causes of Rick Santorum’s bigotry.

bluegill on February 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM

So you’re just throwing lies and innuendo at the man, just because he’s beating Mitt.

Funny thing is, I am MORE compelled to vote FOR Rick precisely because of sock-puppet Dems like you that are squealing like pigs stuck in the mud. Because he represents something THAT YOU ALL HATE: an America of good moral values, limited government, and actual FREEDOM.

Nice try, bud.

Myron Falwell on February 21, 2012 at 9:33 PM

1. Contrary to what some headlines are inferring, and some people here have repeated, the comments are not recent. They were made in 2008.

Ahh… so anything that happened before 2008 doesn’t matter. So much for Romneycare.
2. Again, contrary to what’s being inferred, the comments were not off the cuff in an interview, they were part of a speech he gave at a Catholic University.
So saying what the audience wants to hear is ok… doesn’t mean you really MEAN it.
3. Other than the mention of politics, he didn’t say anything that I haven’t heard coming from the pulpits of Baptist churches.
Why I avoid Baptist churches.
Flora Duh on February 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM

PKinMI on February 21, 2012 at 9:33 PM

We know the costs will be enormous and we can discuss that aspect as well. However, keep in mind that we may enter into that aspect of it as Santorum did into the Christianity perspective. If this HHS mandate, part of Obamacare goes to Court (pending at SCOTUS) we won’t be arguing from a cost angle. It will be from a Constitutional/1st Amendment position.

The courts can adjudicate the constitutional angles. We need the voters to weigh in on the cost issues. This is an election year. I don’t understand why we let Obama get away with this ridiculous “accommodation” of his. And the issue of an imperious president declaring that a private company must provide a good or service free of charge also must be aired out in this election. A lot of what Obama has done smacks of authoritarianism, to me.

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 9:36 PM

2. Again, contrary to what’s being inferred, the comments were not off the cuff in an interview, they were part of a speech he gave at a Catholic University.
So saying what the audience wants to hear is ok… doesn’t mean you really MEAN it.

I don’t think that he should just be restricted to expressing his views just in Catholic institutions or to Catholic audiences. It’s called freedom of religion for a reason.

That said, I don’t think that it’s terribly wise for a politician to opine on religious issues. It’s kind of hard to build consensus when you are pissing off half of the stakeholders. And it would be terrible judgment in the extreme for a presidential candidate to discuss it in any depth.

At the end of the day, what difference does it make what informed a politician’s position on an issue? If it is a good idea, then it is a good idea, regardless of the source of the idea.

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 9:44 PM

: If contraception is hurting Santorum with women in Michigan, how come he’s surging among women nationally?

Because at a national level, only political junkies pay close attention to the campaign before it hits their state.

joana on February 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Flora Duh on February 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Thanks for posting that. I haven’t been on Drudge for 2 weeks or more. I would think that expressing Catholic beliefs at a Catholic Uninversity would be routine. Every Church I’ve been to preach from the Bible and I’ve heard what is good and what is evil too.

Taking things out of context seems to be par for the course and hoping the voter won’t be the wiser:-)

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

You can correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve never heard Santorum say a word against homosexuals.

Can’t his faith inform him on what is proper conduct? Couldn’t your intolerance of his views be also be considered bigotry? Doesn’t he have a right to believe according to his faith, and to tell others of his beliefs?

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 9:17 PM

As I posted above I listened to him make a 2006 speech when he was running for reelection to the Senate. In it he said that homosexuals were evil, not that homosexual acts were evil.

If Santorum believes that homosexual acts are evil he has the right to say so. But that was not what he said in 2006. He focused on the person, not the act.

I do not accept his view on choice and his use of the term “lifestyle” – from personal knowledge.

independentvoice on February 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM

ghostwriter – sorry it took me a while to respond. We just had a power surge here – happens a lot in Amish country – and my PC went down. If I don’t respond later it’s because I’m going to get off to watch Justified in 10 minutes or so.

independentvoice on February 21, 2012 at 9:49 PM

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM
Sure they do. That’s why Obama’s super pac is running anti-Romney ads in Michigan ahead of that state’s primary. They want to run against Romney so badly that they’re spending money on ads in the other party’s primary hoping to make sure the president doesn’t have to…run against Romney. Wake up, pal.

Rational Thought on February 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

How do you know this is an Obama SuperPac ad? Do you have a link?

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 9:54 PM

As I posted above I listened to him make a 2006 speech when he was running for reelection to the Senate. In it he said that homosexuals were evil, not that homosexual acts were evil.

If Santorum believes that homosexual acts are evil he has the right to say so. But that was not what he said in 2006. He focused on the person, not the act.

I do not accept his view on choice and his use of the term “lifestyle” – from personal knowledge.

independentvoice on February 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Link?

BTW, From what I know about the man, what you suggest would be out of character for him and not in line with Catholic beliefs, as I understand them. I can’t know what he said without seeing the speech for my self. However, the words, “choice” and “lifestyle,” suggest activities or acts, which would be consistent with the Christian view on homosexuality.

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 9:55 PM

ghostwriter – sorry it took me a while to respond. We just had a power surge here – happens a lot in Amish country – and my PC went down. If I don’t respond later it’s because I’m going to get off to watch Justified in 10 minutes or so.

independentvoice on February 21, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Fair enough. I enjoyed our exchange. Good night!

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Thanks for posting that. I haven’t been on Drudge for 2 weeks or more. I would think that expressing Catholic beliefs at a Catholic Uninversity would be routine. Every Church I’ve been to preach from the Bible and I’ve heard what is good and what is evil too.
bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

I am a life long Catholic… never have I heard the kind of things Rick Santorum has said in the churches I have attended. What does he really believe? Is it ok to say one thing to Catholics… and another to voters? Who is Rick Santorum?

PKinMI on February 21, 2012 at 9:57 PM

independentvoice on February 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM

BTW, I agree that if he intentionally said that homosexuals were evil (as opposed to engaged in an sinful lifestyle), then he is a bigot. I just strongly doubt that he said that.

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I get it now; If only we had added gay rights and free contraception to the Constitution, unemployment would be 4% right now and gas would be $2/gal nationally. Everybody, “Kumbaya my Lord Kumbaya!”

racquetballer on February 21, 2012 at 10:00 PM

bluegill on February 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM
So you’re just throwing lies and innuendo at the man, just because he’s beating Mitt.

Funny thing is, I am MORE compelled to vote FOR Rick precisely because of sock-puppet Dems like you that are squealing like pigs stuck in the mud. Because he represents something THAT YOU ALL HATE: an America of good moral values, limited government, and actual FREEDOM.

Nice try, bud.

Myron Falwell on February 21, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Nicely stated. I think this kind of a statement and the many media attacks against not only Santorum but the previous R Candidates are having an opposite effect.

These attacks to me, are against our Country and the American People. This is how I’m looking at them, at US. The Candidates represent Americans and our Country. And that makes me angry and I hope it makes all Americans angry. And we need to rise up and say, enough!!

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:06 PM

I have been getting 3-4 Romney robo calls a day and I am sick of it.
If I get one more Romney call I am going to vote for Rick Santorum, swear to God…..excuse me the phone is ringing.

mechkiller_k on February 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM

I have been getting 3-4 Romney robo calls a day and I am sick of it.
If I get one more Romney call I am going to vote for Rick Santorum, swear to God…..excuse me the phone is ringing.

mechkiller_k on February 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM

lol! I hate those things! Take your phone off the hook…

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM

PKinMI on February 21, 2012 at 9:33 PM

You may want to issue a correction of your comments you posted.
Make it clear that you inserted a sentence that was not in Flora Duh’s comment.

If you don’t, you won’t be posting on HA very much longer.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Nicely stated. I think this kind of a statement and the many media attacks against not only Santorum but the previous R Candidates are having an opposite effect.

These attacks to me, are against our Country and the American People. This is how I’m looking at them, at US. The Candidates represent Americans and our Country. And that makes me angry and I hope it makes all Americans angry. And we need to rise up and say, enough!!

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Hear hear! You and I are far from the only ones, I have no doubt.

Myron Falwell on February 21, 2012 at 10:14 PM

What’s Rev Wright’s stance on gay marriage and free contraception? Wasn’t he Obama’s preacher for 20 years? Didn’t the Dems own the Presidency and Congress for 2 years? Why wasn’t anything done then about these 2 issues? I guess they’re all bigots and misogynists in Washington.

racquetballer on February 21, 2012 at 10:19 PM

The courts can adjudicate the constitutional angles. We need the voters to weigh in on the cost issues. This is an election year. I don’t understand why we let Obama get away with this ridiculous “accommodation” of his. And the issue of an imperious president declaring that a private company must provide a good or service free of charge also must be aired out in this election. A lot of what Obama has done smacks of authoritarianism, to me.
ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 9:36 PM

It is an affront to our Freedom, I agree. Obamacare was passed in Congress and signed into law by B.O. So there is not much that can be done now. I worked with a group for a long time, faxing/emailing/calling every House & Senate member in Congress. And multiple times. It didn’t matter; they did what they wanted. Not one reply. 535 members in Congress and not one response. They certainly did not represent the American people and I don’t see them doing it yet.

Maybe in tomorrow night’s debate, some answers can be forthcoming about this HHS and the costs. I had hoped the Mar 1 debates would not have been cancelled so we could have more clarification.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:20 PM

PKinMI on February 21, 2012 at 9:33 PM

You may want to issue a correction of your comments you posted.
Make it clear that you inserted a sentence that was not in Flora Duh’s comment.

If you don’t, you won’t be posting on HA very much longer.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Thanks bluefox. I was just going to point out to PKinMI that I make it a habit to NEVER alter, or add to someone’s comments, I’d appreciate the same courtesy.

3. Other than the mention of politics, he didn’t say anything that I haven’t heard coming from the pulpits of Baptist churches.

Flora Duh on February 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Why I avoid Baptist churches.

PKinMI on February 21, 2012 at 9:33 PM

You’re choice. Aren’t you grateful we live in a country where we are still able to choose what church we want to attend?

I am.

Flora Duh on February 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Cmon Allah….

You’re starting to feel it right?……

The fact that Romney was the best of this bunch all along.

I started checking them out at the start with an open mind and the attacks on Romney have been relentless in the Conservative media even when he does well in debates, fought back against and destroyed Gingrich in Florida and is now pushing back against Santorum. The mini “scandals” against him from running the most negative campaign (not true) to saying “severely Conservative” are highlighted as much as possible but still he’s fighting hard.

He’s really starting to impress me….and I could’nt stand him in ’08.

Santorum’s getting vetted now and looks about as electable as an old boot so the proud principled not-Romneys are going to have to switch their votes back to Newt or whoever else not a Romney in order to keep this thing moving right?

Zybalto on February 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM

As I posted above I listened to him make a 2006 speech when he was running for reelection to the Senate. In it he said that homosexuals were evil, not that homosexual acts were evil.

independentvoice on February 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM

I’m sorry but to make that kind of an accusation against anyone, you are going to have to provide proof. That is the only way that it can be proven whether what you say is the truth or a lie.

The burden of proof is on you, since you’ve made this charge.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:25 PM

It is an affront to our Freedom, I agree. Obamacare was passed in Congress and signed into law by B.O. So there is not much that can be done now. I worked with a group for a long time, faxing/emailing/calling every House & Senate member in Congress. And multiple times. It didn’t matter; they did what they wanted. Not one reply. 535 members in Congress and not one response. They certainly did not represent the American people and I don’t see them doing it yet.

Maybe in tomorrow night’s debate, some answers can be forthcoming about this HHS and the costs. I had hoped the Mar 1 debates would not have been cancelled so we could have more clarification.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I don’t know about not getting a response. Not one Republican voted for it. Even a few Democrats defected. And they had to resort to tricks and corrupt bargains to get it through the Senate. We came damn close to pulling out a victory, even with a minority in both houses.

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Santorum’s getting vetted now and looks about as electable as an old boot so the proud principled not-Romneys are going to have to switch their votes back to Newt or whoever else not a Romney in order to keep this thing moving right?

Zybalto on February 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM

What has Mitt done to convince people he should vote FOR him?

**crickets**

Yup.

Destroying yet another deranged Mittbot… that’s my job.

Myron Falwell on February 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM

These attacks to me, are against our Country and the American People. This is how I’m looking at them, at US. The Candidates represent Americans and our Country. And that makes me angry and I hope it makes all Americans angry. And we need to rise up and say, enough!!

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Sounds to me you’d probably agree with, as I did, what was said in this video.

Flora Duh on February 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM
I am a life long Catholic… never have I heard the kind of things Rick Santorum has said in the churches I have attended. What does he really believe? Is it ok to say one thing to Catholics… and another to voters? Who is Rick Santorum?

PKinMI on February 21, 2012 at 9:57 PM

I don’t know what he said at the Catholic University that Flora Duh mentioned. Do you? It seems some of this came from Drudge and I don’t use that site anymore, so have no way of knowing what was said.
Maybe another HA thread is talking about it. Flora Duh brought that over to this thread, so you may want to take a look at it.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:33 PM

PKinMI on February 21, 2012 at 9:33 PM
You may want to issue a correction of your comments you posted.
Make it clear that you inserted a sentence that was not in Flora Duh’s comment.

If you don’t, you won’t be posting on HA very much longer.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Don’t forget this!!

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:06 PM
Hear hear! You and I are far from the only ones, I have no doubt.

Myron Falwell on February 21, 2012 at 10:14 PM

I get my Irish/Scot dander up!! I’m sure we are not the only ones.
Have to keep reminding myself that the posters here that ridicule the Candidates are just a few.

Never give up, never, never, never! Our Military are on the battlefields out of the Country and we must be in the Country, with our voice and our vote!! And our Prayers, first and foremost.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I don’t know what he said at the Catholic University that Flora Duh mentioned. Do you?

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:33 PM

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/santorum-satan-systematically-destroying-america

Flora Duh on February 21, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I have been getting 3-4 Romney robo calls a day and I am sick of it.
If I get one more Romney call I am going to vote for Rick Santorum, swear to God…..excuse me the phone is ringing.

mechkiller_k on February 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM

I know what you mean. My phone has been ringing off the hook too. Not to mention the ads thru the mail.

Ok, don’t leave us in suspense. That last phone call, was it a Romney robo call? LOL

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Flora Duh on February 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Editing anyone’s comments I’m sure is a violation of the terms of use. I don’t recall ever seeing anyone doing that. I’m going to follow up on this and make sure that he makes a correction.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Back in 2008, Rick Santorum traveled to Ave Maria University in Florida to deliver an address to students attending the Catholic university founded by Domino’s Pizza founder Tom Monaghan which he moved from Michigan as part of his effort to build his own personal theocracy in Naples.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/santorum-satan-systematically-destroying-america

Oy. Liverals are so frickin’ stupid. Endowing a Catholic school is building a theocracy.

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Editing anyone’s comments I’m sure is a violation of the terms of use. I don’t recall ever seeing anyone doing that. I’m going to follow up on this and make sure that he makes a correction.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I don’t see what the problem is. His post was confusing, but it didn’t seem malicious. He may not have know how to format his post properly….

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Oops. If I’m going to call somebody stupid, I should at least get the spelling wight:

Oy. LiveralsLiberals are so frickin’ stupid: Endowing a Catholic school is building a theocracy…

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 10:53 PM

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 10:57 PM

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:20 PM
I don’t know about not getting a response. Not one Republican voted for it. Even a few Democrats defected. And they had to resort to tricks and corrupt bargains to get it through the Senate. We came damn close to pulling out a victory, even with a minority in both houses.

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I know the R’s didn’t vote for it. Well, I just would have expected a reply after so many contacts. Don’t even mention those blue dogs, LOL That’s where the tricks came in, Ha-Ha. It was like musical chairs watching those tricks.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Here is the whole speech: http://www.avemaria.edu/NewsEvents/Podcasts.aspx

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 11:00 PM

So, at this point, if Mitt Romney wins Michigan, it will be partly due to his debate performance tomorrow night. Yet he’s still glad he withdrew from the scheduled March debates? C’mon, Romney, you should have kept the March debates on the table in case you needed them, but noooooo, you had to withdraw from them and lead to their cancellation. Now what are you going to do for Super Tuesday? In your circumstance, how are you going to win multiple states on the same day if you don’t display some well needed leadership before they vote? C’mon, Romney, this is not the kind of actions that’ll defeat Obama!

The Nerve on February 21, 2012 at 11:03 PM

I am a life long Catholic… never have I heard the kind of things Rick Santorum has said in the churches I have attended. What does he really believe? Is it ok to say one thing to Catholics… and another to voters? Who is Rick Santorum?

PKinMI on February 21, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Same here.

Actually, I was just noting about how Santorum always underperforms with Catholic voters in another thread. I think he has a Catholic problem.

I think it’s more about the style. Catholics have a tradition of suppressed enthusiasm, of religious restraint. Santorum sounds like one of those evangelical preachers you see on tv. I don’t know, he comes across as the type of person who would be comfortable screaming and raising arms during the services as they do.

Seeing a layman ranting about how Satan is attacking the world in that tone just freaks me out a bit. He talks about things too directly. And about fringe issues. It’s just weird. Lots of Catholics I know – even some of those supporting him – agree with this.

joana on February 21, 2012 at 11:04 PM

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM
I don’t see what the problem is. His post was confusing, but it didn’t seem malicious. He may not have know how to format his post properly….

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Well, you may be right. Perhaps he doesn’t know how to format. However, he’ll need to learn fast. You can’t add to someone else’s comments because it looks like they said that, instead of you. People would love to do that, LOL

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 11:05 PM

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:33 PM
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/santorum-satan-systematically-destroying-america

Flora Duh on February 21, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Thanks! Now I’ll see if this is the great disaster that’s been portrayed. LOL I have a feeling I’ve heard worse on TV:-)

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Sounds to me you’d probably agree with, as I did, what was said in this video.

Flora Duh on February 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Ha-Ha, Sarah was wound up herself tonight!! They make me sick too!!

Thanks!!

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Oy. Liverals are so frickin’ stupid. Endowing a Catholic school is building a theocracy.

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 10:53 PM

This is the same one that Flora Duh posted up thread.
Thanks tho for the additional comments. Good grief! What gets people bent out of shape.

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 11:17 PM

What has Mitt done to convince people he should vote FOR him?

He’s convinced me that he’s not Jesus H. Christ himself.

He’s convinced me that he’s not a libertarian loon.

He’s convinced me that his own personal moral convictions are not subject to “open relationships.”

And, he’s convinced me that he is still the best ABO that there is in the race. I am purely, 100% ABO……….and that’s all I am about.

Dislike me for it if you like. Okay. Understand that my position is that this country will certainly be better off with anyone other than BO for the next 4 years. ANYBODY. And I’m for that “ANYBODY” who has the broadest appeal and money to make it so.

Hate me for it? Fine. Our kids will be grateful.

JoeinTX on February 21, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Same here.

Actually, I was just noting about how Santorum always underperforms with Catholic voters in another thread. I think he has a Catholic problem.

I think it’s more about the style. Catholics have a tradition of suppressed enthusiasm, of religious restraint. Santorum sounds like one of those evangelical preachers you see on tv. I don’t know, he comes across as the type of person who would be comfortable screaming and raising arms during the services as they do.

I grew up in the Catholic Church, and I’ve heard that kind of talk before. Santorum’s views on homosexuality are right in the mainstream of Church teaching. And as for this “suppressed enthusiasm” thing, the charismatic movement has been quite active in the Church for at least 30 years that I can recall (and it’s probably been longer than that), and they are very demonstrative in their faith. And in fact, they can be quite evangelical and demonstrative.

Finally, his take on “Satan attacking American institutions,” it certainly seems like a novel view of the world. I haven’t heard the whole speech yet, so I’m going to reserve judgment, but the snippets that I’ve heard thus far seem reasonable enough, even if they are of the beaten path.

Really, I wish that we could get away from the ad hominem attacks on candidates that we oppose. I’m for Romney. I think that Santorum would be a risky candidate. I also think that it’s fair game to talk about Santorum’s background, and the pitfalls associated with his candidacy. However, I don’t think that it’s reasonable to call him a bigot, or to suggest that he’s weird, or anything else that attacks his intentions with innuendo that can’t be confirmed or denied. There are plenty of legitimate grounds on which to prefer Romney over Santorum, without getting in the mud.

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Thanks! Now I’ll see if this is the great disaster that’s been portrayed. LOL I have a feeling I’ve heard worse on TV:-)

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Make sure you read his comments about mainstream Protestants no longer being Christians. Should help him a lot in the general election if he’s nominated. The donks can’t wait to have a whack at that one, and it won’t matter what year he said it, or to whom he was lecturing.
I had no idea this kind of thing was presented at Catholic educational meetings.

a capella on February 21, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Make sure you read his comments about mainstream Protestants no longer being Christians. Should help him a lot in the general election if he’s nominated. The donks can’t wait to have a whack at that one, and it won’t matter what year he said it, or to whom he was lecturing.
I had no idea this kind of thing was presented at Catholic educational meetings.

a capella on February 21, 2012 at 11:41 PM

They don’t talk about Protestants that way in Catholic education. That part is Santorum’s theory/view of the world. However, I agree with you that these quotes will get used against him, regardless of how they were meant or the setting in which they were delivered. I think that quotes like these could be his undoing.

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 11:52 PM

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bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM
I don’t see what the problem is. His post was confusing, but it didn’t seem malicious. He may not have know how to format his post properly….

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Well, you may be right. Perhaps he doesn’t know how to format. However, he’ll need to learn fast. You can’t add to someone else’s comments because it looks like they said that, instead of you. People would love to do that, LOL

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Thanks bluefox for correcting me… and yes ghostwriter… I did not format my post properly. Rookie error. No malice intended; was just trying to answer Flora Duh point by point. Please accept my apologies Flora Duh.

PKinMI on February 22, 2012 at 12:07 AM

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Make sure you read his comments about mainstream Protestants no longer being Christians. Should help him a lot in the general election if he’s nominated. The donks can’t wait to have a whack at that one, and it won’t matter what year he said it, or to whom he was lecturing.
I had no idea this kind of thing was presented at Catholic educational meetings.

a capella on February 21, 2012 at 11:41 PM

I will read the comments, since I’m also interested in what he said and also meant by that particular comment. I’ve never attended any Catholic Educational meetings, although I’ve attended a Catholic Church for services.

One thing that has resulted in what Santorum has been speaking about is that TV networks and the internet and blogs and forums are mentioning God and Jesus more than I recall hearing in a long time:-)

bluefox on February 22, 2012 at 12:19 AM

I think that quotes like these could be his undoing.

ghostwriter on February 21, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Perhaps. But don’t underestimate God. Remember Joseph:-)

bluefox on February 22, 2012 at 12:21 AM

bluefox on February 21, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Thanks bluefox for correcting me… and yes ghostwriter… I did not format my post properly. Rookie error. No malice intended; was just trying to answer Flora Duh point by point. Please accept my apologies Flora Duh.

PKinMI on February 22, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Sorry if I was a little harsh. I haven’t been able to recognize all of the newly registered yet:-) The easiest way if you want to copy and paste someone’s comment is copy it first. Then in the space you are going to comment,with your left mouse click quote and you’ll see blockquote appear. Then right click your mouse and paste the person’s comment. Then click quote again and blockquote will appear again. Then you are ready to post whatever you want to say. When you are finished, hit preview and if you want to change, correct or add anything to your comments you can do so. Then hit preview again and when you are ready, hit Submit Comment. If you have any questions, just ask. People are very helpful. Hope that helps.

bluefox on February 22, 2012 at 12:32 AM

Please accept my apologies Flora Duh.

PKinMI on February 22, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Apology accepted. If you have any questions about formatting just ask, someone will always be willing to help.

Flora Duh on February 22, 2012 at 12:33 AM

Please accept my apologies Flora Duh.

PKinMI on February 22, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Apology accepted. If you have any questions about formatting just ask, someone will always be willing to help.

Flora Duh on February 22, 2012 at 12:33 AM

We’d love to have more new people like you PKinMI!!!

bluefox on February 22, 2012 at 12:36 AM

One thing that has resulted in what Santorum has been speaking about is that TV networks and the internet and blogs and forums are mentioning God and Jesus more than I recall hearing in a long time:-)

bluefox on February 22, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Which is why Obama’s numbers are up: nobody is mentioning him and the economy anymore because Santorum turned American politics in a conversation about Satan and contraception.

Of course, some freaks like that because to them politics is just another mean to fight their culture wars and promote their pet causes.

joana on February 22, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Flora Duh on February 22, 2012 at 12:33 AM

bluefox on February 22, 2012 at 12:32 AM

Thank you!!

PKinMI on February 22, 2012 at 12:08 PM

The RepublicRAT establishment has now infected Michigan AND Arizona with the dreaded LEMMING disease, MHIT-For-Brains!?! Just goes to show that elections can still be bought!?! Michigan! Arizona! Shake off this dreaded LEMMING disease, MHIT-For-Brains before it’s too late!!! MHIT-For-Brains will CAUSE another four years of the current Obastard syndrome, ending what we used to call the United States of America!?!

Colatteral Damage on February 23, 2012 at 5:18 PM

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