Obamateurism of the Day

posted at 8:05 am on February 17, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama offered some sage advice during his State of the Union speech about the importance of education and the need to keep students from dropping out before graduating from high school.  Well, semi-sage, anyway:

We also know that when students don’t walk away from their education, more of them walk the stage to get their diploma.  When students are not allowed to drop out, they do better.  So tonight, I am proposing that every state — every state — requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18.

Er, that’s an idea that sounds good for about a moment, until one considers the consequences of essentially jailing uncooperative older teens for several hours a day around other teens who might still get an education.  What do you do with a 17-year-old or a 16-year-old who doesn’t want to be there?  Stick him or her in a classroom, where he or she can end up distracting the teacher enough so that the other students get less attention than they need, apparently.  Either that or warehouse them for six to seven hours in a room with a lot of other malcontents, and then put the worst-performing teachers in the room as babysitters.  That sounds like a recipe for success!  Why not just send them to a trade school or let them get jobs instead?

But if graduation is the greater good, the Wall Street Journal wonders, then why exactly did Obama kill the DC Opportunity Scholarship Program?

The Opportunity Scholarship Program offers vouchers to low-income students to attend private schools. A 2010 study published by Patrick Wolf of the University of Arkansas found that the scholarship recipients had graduation rates of 91%. The graduation rate for D.C. public schools was 56%, and it was 70% for students who entered the lottery for a voucher but didn’t win.

I guess graduation really isn’t the greater good. The greater good is making sure that teachers unions get as much taxpayer money as possible by eliminating school choice.  Jail, indeed. (via Daniel Doherty)

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Lip service for the unions

Yahoo!

cmsinaz on February 17, 2012 at 8:09 AM

But if graduation is the greater good, the Wall Street Journal wonders, then why exactly did Obama kill the DC Opportunity Scholarship Program?

Imbecilic Putz!

Flora Duh on February 17, 2012 at 8:10 AM

Obama and the democrats would rather have kids learn nothing in union schools than allow them to be well educated in a non union one.

wildcat72 on February 17, 2012 at 8:10 AM

requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18.
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Herr sounds like a East Berlin brilliant idea,and I do
wonder,who will enforce this.

Hall moniter snitchs!
Hall Moniter KGB
Outside Secret Student SS
High School with Guard Towers!

When I heard,Hopey say that,my jaw dropped!
(snark)

canopfor on February 17, 2012 at 8:11 AM

This is just a two-fold game; Getting the teens out of the workforce so that one of Obama’s unemployed oil expert can make qa living wage at McDonalds

Or, it’s a setup for justification for a doubling of all union teacher’s salaries – during which time, they’ll be taught by community organizers how to paint protest signs

Don L on February 17, 2012 at 8:11 AM

But….but…The Ends will Justify the Means!!!!

canopfor on February 17, 2012 at 8:12 AM

His walk don’t quite match his talk.

Hypocrisy, thy name is barack.

DuctTapeMyBrain on February 17, 2012 at 8:12 AM

Barry first needs to prove that HE graduated. Where are the transcripts?

Yoop on February 17, 2012 at 8:12 AM

Shhhhh Canopfor don’t give them any ideas

:)

cmsinaz on February 17, 2012 at 8:13 AM

why exactly did Obama kill the DC Opportunity Scholarship Program?

Look Obama cannot support education because of the coming need to pay for re-education camps.

Don L on February 17, 2012 at 8:14 AM

Wow, nobody has ever thought of, and through the issue of compulsory graduation before. Our President really is the smartestest evah.

MNHawk on February 17, 2012 at 8:14 AM

Public schools are a life support system for teachers’ unions.

petefrt on February 17, 2012 at 8:15 AM

Oops!

Educrats Know Better Than Parents About School Choice
Added: 14 hours ago
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Debbie Squires, associate director of the Michigan Elementary and Middle School Principals Association, told the Michigan House Education Committee last week that educators – not parents – know what’s best for children. “

Chairman Thomas McMillin responded in disbelief. “Wow,” he said. “Parents don‘t know what’s best for their child…”
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95e_1329430309

canopfor on February 17, 2012 at 8:16 AM

Many kids are able to finish highschool before 18 – what about them. What about those pesky homeschool kids who are able to complete high school a year or two early & choose to go on to a trade vocation? Is he going to force them to stay in school for another 2 yrs?

poppieseeds on February 17, 2012 at 8:19 AM

Shhhhh Canopfor don’t give them any ideas

:)

cmsinaz on February 17, 2012 at 8:13 AM

cmsinaz:I know,but,knowing Hopey he might biuld a 1,000,000
man National Civilian Security Force,and they might
need work!(sarc):)

canopfor on February 17, 2012 at 8:19 AM

“So tonight, I am proposing that every state — every state — requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18.” – B. Hussein Obama

If that doesn’t tell Americans what a clueless dweeb is President SmartPower, nothing will.
How about the consequences when those angry 16 and 17 year-olds get out of jail, er, high screwl, Barry? Ever thought of that?
Naaaaaaa …

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Karl Magnus on February 17, 2012 at 8:20 AM

So tonight, I am proposing that every state — every state — requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18.

Ok Champ, what are you going to do if they refuse to stay in school past the age of 16?

Flora Duh on February 17, 2012 at 8:20 AM

Lol Canopfor

Catch ya later

cmsinaz on February 17, 2012 at 8:22 AM

Is he going to force them to stay in school for another 2 yrs?

poppieseeds on February 17, 2012 at 8:19 AM

poppieseeds:Oh gawd,your giving me nightmares,and knowing Hopey,
he might have Goons,swat style,dragging home schoolers
out of family homes and off to public schools!
(snark)

canopfor on February 17, 2012 at 8:23 AM

For the first time in my life, I’m going to fall on the side of the truant. See the 200 comments of the homeschooling thread that Jazz threw up in the headlines last night. The model of public school education is abysmal insofar as if you sequester 20-30 kids under the command of 1 person, expect them to toe the line, ignore their individual needs, and deconstruct their families, who’s surprised that this type of stuff doesn’t happen? I’m not any longer, but I’m also not justifying their truant behavior. Many, if not all, of them are punks, thugs, druggies and ne’er do wells that come from broken homes where the father is absent and/or the mother too.

Failing to graduate is merely a symptom of a failing family. If you want to intervene, condone strong families and graduation rates will improve. Natch, its hard to do that when you encourage abortion, fisting, sex at age 12, self-centeredness, and no responsibility for their actions.

pathology

ted c on February 17, 2012 at 8:23 AM

Ok – sorry, reread the quote & saw that he will release them before 18 if they graduate. The home school communities fight hard to keep the govt out of telling parents when they can graduate their child & if a law such as this would pass then watch out home educators b/c you will soon be told what you can & can’t do with your child.

poppieseeds on February 17, 2012 at 8:24 AM

We also know that when students don’t walk away from their education, more of them walk the stage to get their diploma.

Um… DUH!!!

Of course if you don’t drop out you’ll graduate (unless you’re a real disaster of a student and flunk all your requirements Senior year).

That’s like saying “We also know that when someone doesn’t leave their hammer in the toolbox, but picks it up and swings it at a nail, more nails get hammered.”

This is “TEH GENIUS PRESIDENT!!!11!1!!1!!” that liberals keep insisting he is? It’s been over three years and I’ve still seen no evidence of his “brilliant” intellect.

Where are those transcripts, again? Oh, that’s right. Sealed. I wonder why?

crazy_legs on February 17, 2012 at 8:25 AM

In Illinois, enrollment numbers determine how much money/state aid each school gets. This will bring more money to schools in poorer areas with higher drop out rates. It’s another redistribution scheme. When they say it’s for the children, it’s never for the children.

Fallon on February 17, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Lol Canopfor

Catch ya later

cmsinaz on February 17, 2012 at 8:22 AM

cmsinaz:Have “A” great day!:)

canopfor on February 17, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Public schools are a life support system for teachers’ unions.

petefrt on February 17, 2012 at 8:15 AM

You said it more succinctly than I.

Fallon on February 17, 2012 at 8:28 AM

Kind of OT, but…. Who wants to bet that the NC lunch inspector was SEIU?

Key West Reader on February 17, 2012 at 8:30 AM

I think Fallon is onto it. It’s boosting the 1-5% of the flunkies off of the streets back into the classrooms where they won’t do the work anyway and disrupt the 1-2 kids that will.

ted c on February 17, 2012 at 8:34 AM

So we’re going to pay extra so delinquents can continually disrupt class, resulting in even less learning than usual at our overfunded and horrendous public schools.

Sounds like a plan. An Obama plan.

NoDonkey on February 17, 2012 at 8:35 AM

Public schools are a life support system for teachers’ unions.

petefrt on February 17, 2012 at 8:15 AM

Life support? More like feeding trove!

Archivarix on February 17, 2012 at 8:35 AM

So tonight, I am proposing that every stateevery state — requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18.

So…education is back to being the responsibility of the states now? Does that mean we don’t need the Dept. of Education anymore?

Why not just pass a law called ObamaGrad and mandate that every kid get a diploma or their parents get taxe…er fined? Then Obama can hand out waivers to the worst schools in the country, because the teacher’s union won’t allow tenured teachers, no matter how lousy they are, get fired.

Oh, that won’t work. Obamagrad is what Washington D.C. is going to be renamed. Hey, it worked for Lenin.

Left Coast Right Mind on February 17, 2012 at 8:36 AM

So he’s proposing that “every state” institute a new requirement. How does the leader of the federal government propose a requirement by “every state”? It’s either just idle feel-good campaign talk or a masked proposal for another federal mandate. Both of these are well-worn Obama tools.

Sowell Disciple on February 17, 2012 at 8:38 AM

O/T,

US President Barack Obama raises $29 million for his campaign, the Democratic party in January

Submitted 5 mins ago from http://www.nydailynews.com
http://www.breakingnews.com/
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canopfor on February 17, 2012 at 8:38 AM

I don’t see the contradiction here. “Proposing” every state keep kids in school until they turn 18 costs the president nothing, and saying he cares about education might help him get re-elected.
Killing the voucher program costs the president nothing (the district will vote Democratic no matter what happens) and supporting teacher’s unions might help him get re-elected.

Mahna Mahna on February 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM

Ok Champ, what are you going to do if they refuse to stay in school past the age of 16?

Flora Duh on February 17, 2012 at 8:20 AM

Has “the President doesn’t have this authority” stopped him before? We don’t have a President of a Republic any more we have an Emperor.

wildcat72 on February 17, 2012 at 8:41 AM

Barry first needs to prove that HE graduated. Where are the transcripts?

Yoop on February 17, 2012 at 8:12 AM

I don’t even think they’ll have found those transcripts before the B H O Library has been built and completed, in Hawaii or Indonesia.

KOOLAID2 on February 17, 2012 at 8:46 AM

So…education is back to being the responsibility of the states now? Does that mean we don’t need the Dept. of Education anymore?

Why not just pass a law called ObamaGrad and mandate that every kid get a diploma or their parents get taxe…er fined? Then Obama can hand out waivers to the worst schools in the country, because the teacher’s union won’t allow tenured teachers, no matter how lousy they are, get fired.

Oh, that won’t work. Obamagrad is what Washington D.C. is going to be renamed. Hey, it worked for Lenin.

Left Coast Right Mind on February 17, 2012 at 8:36 AM

Very well writ, Left/Right.

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Karl Magnus on February 17, 2012 at 8:47 AM

A Question, if I may: At what age would a school-leaver be allowed to go on the unemployment rolls?

OldEnglish on February 17, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Ok Champ, what are you going to do if they refuse to stay in school past the age of 16?

Flora Duh on February 17, 2012 at 8:20 AM

They will become ‘group leaders’…at ACORN.

KOOLAID2 on February 17, 2012 at 8:49 AM

If that doesn’t tell Americans what a clueless dweeb is President SmartPower, nothing will.
How about the consequences when those angry 16 and 17 year-olds get out of jail, er, high screwl, Barry? Ever thought of that?
Naaaaaaa …

|^^^^^^^^^^^\||____
| NØ Øbama 2012 |||°‘|”°””\____,
| _____________ l||__|_|__|____|);
|(@)@)”””””””**|(@)(@)**|(@)

~(Ä)~

Talent from Michigan! err.. “Imported from Michigan”!

KOOLAID2 on February 17, 2012 at 8:52 AM

I am proposing that every state — every state — requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18.

 
Wow. I never imagined there would someday be students holding up the low performers who are already slowing down the semi-capable kids.
 
A truly impressive goal, Mr. President.

rogerb on February 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM

All this is for the Leninist in Chief is one more rung on the ladder to total government control of our everyday lives.

He knows full well these inner city kids aren’t gonna stay in school. It’s simply a pretext for mandating some other govt program to get them onto the public dole and on the voting rolls when things don’t “work out”.

OkieDoc on February 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM

This might work out for him if he has a specific course to teach them. Like marching in the streets and sign making. Naturally, they’ll all be given a brown shirt to wear so they’ll fell more closely associated to their fellows.

Kissmygrits on February 17, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Hey,alot of those 16-18 year olds just go there for the free struedel.

docflash on February 17, 2012 at 9:03 AM

We also know that when students don’t walk away from their education, more of them walk the stage to get their diploma.

Our President provides us with such gifts. What on earth would we ever do without this remarkable insight?
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lynncgb on February 17, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Well, semi-sage, anyway:

Fitting from half a President. Half a man. Half a human being.

Obama doesn’t care. His brats go to an elite DC school that costs $40K/year. This truly is all about making sure the unions have a full 12 years to indoctrinate innocent children in the ways of socialism.

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Our President provides us with such gifts. What on earth would we ever do without this remarkable insight?
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lynncgb on February 17, 2012 at 9:06 AM

It may be a bit brave but I’m willing to find out just what we would do without the bleatings of the Kenyan dictator.

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 9:10 AM

lynncgb on February 17, 2012 at 9:06 AM

If he continues in this manner, the Nokos will throw a fit of jealousy!

OldEnglish on February 17, 2012 at 9:11 AM

I have to say Ed, I disagree with your reasoning here. There are 14, 15 and 16 year olds who don’t want to be in school and have to. The schools have to make them stay. Making the age 18 is just a different cut off. The problem is schools appropriatelly addressing the students needs and making them WANT to be there. Where I live, high schoolers can take tech courses during the school day if they are not college bound. If teachers are doing their jobs correctly they are addressing the students who have different needs (and we all know that doesn’t always happen in public school). There needs to be two different diplomas, one for college bound students and one for kids who may end up in a trade school or other work. Then there should be courses to suppport both those paths. Of course, if there was competition between schools those options would already be out there. The goal should be preparing kids to support themselves in the real world, whatever their abilities and interests and not necessarily the “one size fits all, everyone goes to college, and if you can’t hack it you end up dropping out” method that now exits.

hopeful on February 17, 2012 at 9:12 AM

So tonight, I am proposing that every state — every state — requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18.

Here’s what I propose: that the federal government concern itself with the duties actually assigned to it by the U.S. constitution (for example, protecting and defending our borders, etc.), and stay the hell out of the states’ business. We don’t need, or want, federal overlords lecturing us about how to educate our kids.

AZCoyote on February 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Why not just send them to a trade school or let them get jobs instead?

Boot camp.

CurtZHP on February 17, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Here’s what I propose: that the federal government concern itself with the duties actually assigned to it by the U.S. constitution (for example, protecting and defending our borders, etc.), and stay the hell out of the states’ business. We don’t need, or want, federal overlords lecturing us about how to educate our kids.

AZCoyote on February 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Yep. Ditch the Dept. of Ed., NCLB and the teachers’ unions and most of the rest will sort itself out

hopeful on February 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Boot camp.

CurtZHP on February 17, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Great suggestion. They can learn such useful stuff like sign-making, community agitation, mob logistics, and occupation 101.

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 9:30 AM

that the federal government concern itself with the duties actually assigned to it by the U.S. constitution (for example, protecting and defending our borders, etc.), and stay the hell out of the states’ business. We don’t need, or want, federal overlords lecturing us about how to educate our kids.

AZCoyote on February 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Oh no! You did not just go there you right wing extremist nutjob!!! Where is the Truth Squad?!

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csdeven on February 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM

We also know that when students don’t walk away from their education, more of them walk the stage to get their diploma. When students are not allowed to drop out, they do better.

Yeah, if only Steve Jobs or Bill Gates had been made to get their college degree. And don’t get me started on Thomas Edison, or George Washington. . .

rbj on February 17, 2012 at 9:37 AM

In education, both public and private, we tend to expend 90% of our energy on the 10% of students who want or deserve it the least. All to the detriment of the students who want to learn, or could realistically be encouraged to learn. I have always stressed effort over actual grades. The idea being if a student really gives a sincere effort, things generally work out. Students who couldn’t care less simply don’t deserve the teachers’ time. There are only so many hours in a day.

teacherman on February 17, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Well, they could be janitors…../

askwhatif on February 17, 2012 at 9:41 AM

We don’t need, or want, federal overlords lecturing us about how to educate our kids.
 
AZCoyote on February 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM

 
Don’t be silly. I’m sure a male 17 year old illegal alien gang member in California should be managed the same as a pregnant 17 year old in rural Kentucky.
 
These folks are smart, remember?

rogerb on February 17, 2012 at 9:43 AM

We have a Career Center adjoined to our regional high school with a very good training program in Electrical, Computer Arts, Nursing, Automotive, etc.
As I turn 3 times and spit, I have to agree with him.
I have always thought that children should remain in some kid of educational program, be it with 1/2 school, 1/2 apprenticeships, or full college prep.
No child should leave school without basic life-skills (what it means when you sign a mortgage, how to balance a checkbook, how to be responsible with credit cards and how to avoid debt).
Children are really in fantasy land when it comes to finance. If they had a real grasp of finances, this would affect there way of thinking, voting, being a responsible community member.

askwhatif on February 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

When students are not allowed to drop out fail, they do better.

 
Next logical step, btw. They’ll just make a C the lowest grade possible and our graduation rates will immediately improve.
 
High school diplomas already mean very little. Soon they’ll mean nothing at all.

rogerb on February 17, 2012 at 9:51 AM

I refuse to be lectured on education by this moron.

There is no definitive proof he even graduated his colleges and the more he goes on I wouldn’t be surprised if he bought his degrees along with a bottle of Colt 45 from some hobo in a Southside liquor store parking lot.

CorporatePiggy on February 17, 2012 at 9:51 AM

OT ~ Chicago teachers asking for 30% raises over next 2 years

Fallon on February 17, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Hey, somebody’s got to be the janitor

inviolet on February 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Next logical step, btw. They’ll just make a C the lowest grade possible and our graduation rates will immediately improve.

High school diplomas already mean very little. Soon they’ll mean nothing at all.

rogerb on February 17, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Already well on their way. At my child’s middle school the computer grading system will not accept a grade below 50. A child can only be left back if they have an average below 54. They have to work really hard to get an average below 54. Most of the teachers pad the grades in some way. Meanwhile my child entered highschool without basic skills like math computation (I’m told they don’t need this skill there are calculators), cursive (not needed there are computers) or spelling (not needed there is spell check).

hopeful on February 17, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Teach your children well, their father’s hell did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams, the one they picked, the one you’re known by.

Long haired country boy on February 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Under the management of the unions, schools’ relative pay is established by butts in seats. More butts, more money. The top goal isn’t education. It is getting more of your tax dollars into socialist-sympathetic union hands. The secondary goal is having more young minds to destroy with garbage like the PP assault, turning out more dependent people who cannot live without Big Nanny.

Freelancer on February 17, 2012 at 10:34 AM

No child should leave school without basic life-skills (what it means when you sign a mortgage, how to balance a checkbook, how to be responsible with credit cards and how to avoid debt).

askwhatif on February 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

When did it become the school’s duty to teach “basic life skills?”
Isn’t that what parents/guardians are for?

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM

why exactly did Obama kill the DC Opportunity Scholarship Program?

To keep ‘em stupid and on the Democratic plantation.

GarandFan on February 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Talent from Michigan! err.. “Imported from Michigan”!

KOOLAID2 on February 17, 2012 at 8:52 AM

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(chuckle)

Naaaaaaaaaaa …
I ripped it off somewhere (maybe even here … ahem) and modified it.
That shore aint no Volvo.

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Karl Magnus on February 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

He’s Brilliant!!!!

Tim_CA on February 17, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Sowell Disciple on February 17, 2012 at 8:38 AM

exactly what I was thinking. If presidenting is SO hard, why doesn’t owebama stick to his job and stay the heck out of the states’ business.

I also heard the other day that Owe is paying states to adopt a federal curriculum for schools. Just another way to get the federal government in the business of the states.

katablog.com on February 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM

No child should leave school HOME without basic life-skills (what it means when you sign a mortgage, how to balance a checkbook, how to be responsible with credit cards and how to avoid debt).

askwhatif on February 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

FIFY

katablog.com on February 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Obama and his liberal supporter are single minded in that they overcome themselves with their brilliance. A teenager get’s pregnant and they rush to make sure that the baby will be well taken care of, which means the mother must be, which means others must assume all responsibility for the babies’ relatives. But nothing is done about the baby growing? up in the same environment as did the mother.

Or a drunk driver takes a corner too sharply in a 4-wheel off road SUV and turns over. Obama will insist that the makers of the SUV pay for all damages, as well as medical care for the driver; and then re-design the SUV so it is safe for such cornering maneuvers.

Brilliant solutions. Just Brilliant, I say.

dahni on February 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I have seen too many young teens being forced to be in school when they did not want to. Why? all they do is disrupt classes and cause trouble. They know they have to be there so no matter what they do they have permission to be as rowdy as they please.

old war horse on February 17, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Wow – is there any problem that the all knowing, omnipotent King Putt can’t solve!

natasha333 on February 17, 2012 at 11:49 AM

We also know that when students don’t walk away from their education, more of them walk the stage to get their diploma. When students are not allowed to drop out, they do better. So tonight, I am proposing that every state — every state — requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18.

Don’t they already do that? I seem to remember truancy laws….

tom on February 17, 2012 at 1:02 PM

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Karl Magnus on February 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Nicely done.

Bmore on February 17, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Many kids are able to finish highschool before 18 – what about them. What about those pesky homeschool kids who are able to complete high school a year or two early & choose to go on to a trade vocation? Is he going to force them to stay in school for another 2 yrs?

poppieseeds on February 17, 2012 at 8:19 AM

Local school districts require that home-schooled children be registered with their districts. Given O-Tyrant’s hatred of the Constitution and love of the teachers’ unions, I can easily foresee a day when his jackbooted thugs will be knocking down the doors of homeschoolers and dragging little Johnny and Janey off to the nearest school.

GrannyDee on February 17, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Totally clueless about education, except for the fact it is the best tool to insure proper social indoctrination for a socialist society that does not question that the government knows what is best for them. His communist grandfather and mentor Frank Davis would have made sure he understood that concept of changing our America to their America.

Franklyn on February 17, 2012 at 1:44 PM

@docflash:

Hey,alot of those 16-18 year olds just go there for the free struedel.

Don’t forget the singing, Doc. Everybody, join in!

Earflaps, earflaps, uber alles…

(repeat as necessary, until Republic dies.)

GrassMudHorsey on February 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Why not just send them to a trade school or let them get jobs instead?
Boot camp.
CurtZHP on February 17, 2012 at 9:23 AM

It is not a new concept to have alternative trade schools. They had them decades ago when I was in high school. Every school district that I have taught in has had some sort of alternative education in trades.

My current district has an expanded trade school that not only includes the hands on trades, but the white color trades and professions as well. For many students they will find careers from a trade school, but in all honesty, today’s trades need more than what can be offered at a high school level. Even though I am a teacher in academic subjects, I speak with wide experience in most of the skilled trades. Some of them that I have worked in when I was younger, I would not be able to enter today because of the requirements of higher education and certifications.

The main problem that our incompetent great leader does not understand is that not all students want an education of any kind, or even see the need for one. I have had long discussion with many of those with only a few that listened and did something to change the direction they were heading, or at least tried to. Sometimes life is not fair in the hand it deals.

Franklyn on February 17, 2012 at 2:51 PM

For the greater good I want to see his grades.

Schadenfreude on February 17, 2012 at 3:05 PM

I either skimmed over this or haven’t seen it posted yet, but NH has this law on the books right now. As a substitute teacher in my local district, all I see are those more disruptive students just “biding their time” by either not doing their work or being as disruptive as possible in the classroom, causing trouble for those kids who want to learn. The House here recently passed a bill that would allow for the dropout rate to go back down to 16 with parental permission. But with the current governor I don’t know if it’s going to pass.

ScoopPC11 on February 17, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Next logical step, btw. They’ll just make a C the lowest grade possible and our graduation rates will immediately improve.

High school diplomas already mean very little. Soon they’ll mean nothing at all.
rogerb on February 17, 2012 at 9:51 AM

They already do that. In my career I have been told that a student could not be given a grade lower than 50 or even 65, because hurts their self esteem or creates a situation where they have no hope of bring up a failing grade if they decide to actually try, usually at the end of the grading period. I have been told to change grades and had to risk the consequences of saying no. Teachers everywhere are know that if you have too many truly earned failures, there will be administrative consequences. Too many failures mean the administrator is going to be held accountable for not doing their job, and in turn the teacher will get the blame, faily or not.

It is not just the school districts. Many states, mine included, have laws that prevent students that failed from not being promoted to the next grade. I guess you can figure out that it is again a liberal touchy feely thing about harming the child’s self esteem, as if somehow it will not make any difference the next year when they don’t know enough to do that grade levels work. Ever wonder why we have students that have given up and drop out?

Franklyn on February 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Apparently it makes more sense to Obama to keep in school those who do not want an education, and to remove a powerful incentive to attend for those who do want an education. To a leftist—or at least to the teachers union—keeping troublemakers in poor schools is more logical than keeping motivated students in good schools.

Colony14 on February 17, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Can’t the poor students just buy diplomas, like Barry did?

Colony14 on February 17, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Public schools are a life support system for teachers’ unions.

petefrt on February 17, 2012 at 8:15 AM

Partially true

Not all fifty states have the public school system ruined by teacher unions. And I send my sympathies to those states who do have this problem.

jazzuscounty on February 17, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Obama simply wants to keep the youth of America in the indoctrination camps as long as possible, otherwise, they might start thinking for themselves.

Theophile on February 17, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Public schools are a life support system for teachers’ unions.
 
petefrt on February 17, 2012 at 8:15 AM

 
Not all fifty states have the public school system ruined by teacher unions. And I send my sympathies to those states who do have this problem.
 
jazzuscounty on February 17, 2012 at 3:50 PM

 
Even in right-to-work states (NC here) the teachers are treated as a higher caste by the governor because they’re a reliable voting bloc. Raises during financially-difficult years when “regular” state employees don’t get them, different pay scales, separate retirement plan IIRC, etc. You scratch their back…
 
Union membership might not be a condition of employment, but don’t believe for a minute that they’re not active here.
 
NC Association of Educators (NCAE)

direct quote from site:
 

Union representing teachers in the state. Affiliated with the NEA.

rogerb on February 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM

They neglected to mention that he meant federal aid.

MSNBC claims that Senator Santorum wants to cut off all aid to our schools.

Just disbanding NEA would likely help a lot more than green jobs and trying to outspend any the per pupil expenditure of any two nations on the planet.

IlikedAUH2O on February 17, 2012 at 6:33 PM

We also know that when students don’t walk away from their education, more of them walk the stage to get their diploma. When students are not allowed to drop out, they do better. So tonight, I am proposing that every state — every state — requires that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18.

A speech made for Obama; Short phrases and sentences that will fit on a left and right teleprompter, devoid logic, no fact checking or supporting data, and there is a moment for his smile as he issues his command to the states, said twice in case they were not paying attention.

Why is it when this idiot opens his mouth, fresh cow paddies roll out?

Of course this has something to do with the recent revelation that DC union controlled public schools have more students dropping out than graduating, and worse, the private none union schools have most of their students graduating? That does not fit well with the unions image nor his hope and change to a socialist system. If a few are missing their indoctrination of socialist behavior modifications, it is not a big issue, but half or more, that is way too many to expect to be indoctrinated after the fact. Not getting an education is not problem since they will make better government dependent citizens, but not getting the socialist behavior and tolerance indoctrination is not going to be tolerated.

Let’s move on to his data. As with his birth certificate and college transcripts and an explanation for his SS card question, we can be assured he does have it, somewhere. Would he lie to us? Of course someone has seen it and pointed out that the union controlled public school in DC has at least half its students dropping out before graduation. Is it the democrat and union control? Don’t be silly, of course not.

We can bet that Barry got his 3 AM call from his union bosses. He most likely told them he would give a speech and that would fix it, trust me, he says, would I lie? Before hanging up he adds that it will give him a chance to remind the states who is really in charge now that he has made Congress, and the Constitution, irrelevant.

Of course Barry has no clue as to why the students are “choosing to walk away from their education”. That does sound so much better that “dropping out”. Barry is a liberal and a socialist, which means he can discern the answer to the problem with just a moment of hindsight. That would be foresight, but as we know he is a leader from behind. The answer he decides is to just tell them they cannot drop out. Brilliant! If they are locked into staying in school they have to do better and everyone will be happy. Now being the smartest president we have ever had, he remembers some of those drop outs “choosers “from his days of community organizing. He could not get them to do anything either, so he knows there will still be some that will refuse to get an education, even if they have to sit there all day warming that student seat, so better to just say “more” of them will get and education. That will make his union bosses happier at least.

He gives the speech and tells the states that they better be listening, twice he calls them out, just to make sure they heard, and tells them he expects them to pass laws that make students stay in school until they graduate or turn 18, upon which he can assign them to a factory to work. Wait, that part is for later after he has is declared president for life.

Someone did mention the problem of students who don’t want to be in school causing a lot of disruption and preventing other students from learning. No problem he says, I will just give another speech and fix that. Besides he adds, the new presidential decree will be no grades below the new passing level of 50%. See how easy that will be! Education will be so overrated his and Michelle’s America. Our friends in China know how to make everything we need anyway.

Franklyn on February 17, 2012 at 7:52 PM