Cordray: Say, what this CFPB needs is more power

posted at 10:25 am on February 17, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

When Senate Republicans blocked the confirmation of Richard Cordray to run the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, they did so in protest of the ambiguous and open-ended power granted to CFPB by the previous Democratic-controlled Congress.  Barack Obama blasted Republicans for obstructionism, defended Cordray as a mainstream, responsible choice to lead the CFPB, and gave him a recess appointment [see update below].  Now that he’s ensconced at the CFPB, Cordray’s first action is to demand even more power at CFPB, including new federal oversight on collection agencies:

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau on Thursday sought to bring debt collectors and credit bureaus under its purview, marking the first time the often controversial industries would be subject to federal supervision.

Under its proposed rule, the CFPB would oversee the nation’s largest debt collectors, the primary credit reporting agencies such as Experian, Equifax and TransUnion, and other lesser-known consumer reporting agencies. It is the first attempt by the watchdog agency to define which businesses in the vast swath of nontraditional financial institutions will be subject to the same examination process as banks.

“This oversight would help restore confidence that the federal government is standing beside the American consumer,” CFPB Director Richard Cordray said in a statement.

There may be good reason to regulate debt collectors and so-called “fourth bureau” reporting agencies at the federal level.  If their businesses cross state lines, then federal jurisdiction would be easy to establish.  However, that kind of direction should come from Congress, not from unaccountable bureaucrats issuing “rules” to expand their bureaucratic fiefdoms.  In fact, that is exactly why we have a Congress and not just an executive branch — to ensure that the laws imposed on our nation come from the elected representatives of the people and not from self-appointed elites.

This demonstrates one of the most dangerous aspects of the 111th Congress and Barack Obama.  Both the Dodd-Frank and ObamaCare bills created shells for power rather than laws for enforcing.  Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid filled both bills with ambiguities and assigned the executive branch agencies the task of specifying their own boundaries, which has the practical effect of not putting any boundaries on the executive branch at all.  Phrases like “The Secretary/Director shall determine” pepper both bills and punts the task of lawmaking to unelected bureaucrats — and in this case, to an administration all too eager to exercise diktat power over Americans.

Cordray is no moderate, and the two of the biggest products (in impact and in size) from Obama’s first two years as President represent radical departures from representative government.  This is just the latest example of it.

Update: I assumed that Hot Air readers would recall that this recess appointment has been hotly disputed and will likely have to be resolved by the courts, and that this post didn’t need a dissertation on that issue.  However, if you’d like to read what we have written on that topic, these posts will be a good starting point:


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The next step in consolidating power in the fascist State.

rbj on February 17, 2012 at 10:28 AM

I mentioned in the Warren thread that CFPB would probably make a very unpopular move before November.

Looks like I was right.

teke184 on February 17, 2012 at 10:29 AM

last I checked Cordray doesn’t have any power because he was never confirmed by the senate as was required by the Frank-Dodd law.

Zaggs on February 17, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Cordray is illegitimate and anyone he attempts to order about should tell him to pound sand.

Murf76 on February 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Says someone who is committing a federal crime every time he cashes his paycheck…

Cordray should have to pay back every dollar in salary he has been paid and any expenses he’s claimed. The Senate WAS NOT IN RECESS when he was appointed.

wildcat72 on February 17, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Sigh… REAL America is broke but they are opposed to oversight of collection agencies. I wonder why they keep losing elections?

Freedumm! Undefeated!

KeninCT on February 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM

defended Cordray as a mainstream, responsible choice to lead the CFPB, and gave him a recess appointment.

No Mr. Morrissey,

Cordray was illegally installed as the head of the CFPB. Congress was not in recess. Obama simply decided to ignore the Constitution. We should not gloss over this crime by making statements about Cordray’s “recess appointment.”

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM

When doesn’t any government agency say it doesn’t need more power, more money, more things to control? This was an unneeded agency to begin with and instead of growing government we should be dismantling it in big chunks. Where to start, pick any damn agency you wish!

Bob in VA on February 17, 2012 at 10:38 AM

last I checked Cordray doesn’t have any power because he was never confirmed by the senate as was required by the Frank-Dodd law.

Zaggs on February 17, 2012 at 10:30 AM

The whole marxist lot of them have only “perceived power” only as long as NO ONE calls their BS

Roy Rogers on February 17, 2012 at 10:40 AM

This jackwagon was illegally put in place by a “recess appointment” when the Senate wasn’t in recess. Nothing he does has any validity.

OhioCoastie on February 17, 2012 at 10:41 AM

No Mr. Morrissey,

Cordray was illegally installed as the head of the CFPB. Congress was not in recess. Obama simply decided to ignore the Constitution. We should not gloss over this crime by making statements about Cordray’s “recess appointment.”

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Exactly. NOTHING Cordray does is legitimate or has to be obeyed.

And it’s not up to the courts to decide this. When ANY administration violates the Constitution this blatantly we don’t NEED to wait for a court to act, we are empowered to act on our own.

wildcat72 on February 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM

In fact, that is exactly why we have a Congress and not just an executive branch — to ensure that the laws imposed on our nation come from the elected representatives of the people and not from self-appointed elites.

Congress is not a co-equal branch of government under the jug-eared dictator. What stuns me is that the Congress goes along with this bastard’s actions instead of asserting their own power.

Eric Holder should be in jail.

Cordray and the members appointed to the NLRB should be booted from office and billed for their illegal salaries received with a huge fine on top of it all.

The Dems should be told to keep out of our bedrooms and places of worship.

These are just a few of the things that need to change.

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM

“I’ve given her as much as she can take and she canna take any more, Captain! She’s gonna blow!”

princetrumpet on February 17, 2012 at 10:44 AM

“This oversight would help restore confidence that the federal government is standing beside the American consumer,”

With friends like this who needs enemies. I don’t need you standing beside me. Every time the federal government does that my wallet gets lighter.

chemman on February 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Recess appointment? Really?

MeatHeadinCA on February 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM

No Mr. Morrissey,

Cordray was illegally installed as the head of the CFPB. Congress was not in recess. Obama simply decided to ignore the Constitution. We should not gloss over this crime by making statements about Cordray’s “recess appointment.”

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM

This cannot be repeated often enough….

SWalker on February 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

No Mr. Morrissey,

Cordray was illegally installed as the head of the CFPB. Congress was not in recess. Obama simply decided to ignore the Constitution. We should not gloss over this crime by making statements about Cordray’s “recess appointment.”

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Krauthammer is wrong to bring attention to Obama’s contraception orders as the first decree. Surely Cordray ranks farther back on the time line.

MeatHeadinCA on February 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Liberals ought to ask themselves how they will like it when Republican appointees have dictatorial power over the medical system, financial system and every other system the Regime is assuming control over.

A Republican will be president again sooner or later.

How about a Santorum appointee telling you what kind of health plan you are allowed to have? Hope you enjoy it, libs. “Fundamental change” might not turn out quite like you thought it would.

forest on February 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Obama, he don’t need no stiiinking Congress!

OldEnglish on February 17, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Krauthammer is wrong to bring attention to Obama’s contraception orders as the first decree. Surely Cordray ranks farther back on the time line.

MeatHeadinCA on February 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

This is why I’ve been referring to him as Emperor Hussein since January.

This year started with the signing of the NDAA and after that coronation our Jar-Jar Binks like young Emperor went on to decree that the Senate was in recess even though it wasn’t and gave us Cordray and the new NLRB members.

Those appointments are legal and valid only if the Republic no longer is.

wildcat72 on February 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Update: I assumed that Hot Air readers would recall that this recess appointment has been hotly disputed and will likely have to be resolved by the courts, and that this post didn’t need a dissertation on that issue.

But it isn’t a recess appointment. It is the jug-eared traitor simply installing somebody into a job without any legitimate confirmation process. We need to call it what it is and there is no question that Congress was not in recess.

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Can we impeach this jug eared Napoleon now, PLEASE!

Roy Rogers on February 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Update: I assumed that Hot Air readers would recall that this recess appointment has been hotly disputed and will likely have to be resolved by the courts, and that this post didn’t need a dissertation on that issue. However, if you’d like to read what we have written on that topic, these posts will be a good starting point:

Only use the title “recess appointment” if it really is a recess appointment. And we wonder how the left gets away with things? We spread their own misinformation for them!

MeatHeadinCA on February 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

The Federal Trade Commission already regulates credit bureaus, and it has done a fine job of it for many years. This is truly an “ain’t broke, don’t fix it” thing. The FTC also has powers to investigate and seek prosecution of debt collection firms for any fraud or deceptive practices, and it has done so. There are longstanding statutes that govern both of these industries.

The whole CFPB was set up as a propaganda agency to convince average people that large swaths of the financial services industry have never been regulated, and then to conduct shakedowns of industries that progressives don’t like.

rockmom on February 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Sigh… REAL America is broke but they are opposed to oversight of collection agencies. I wonder why they keep losing elections?

Freedumm! Undefeated!

KeninCT on February 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Food stamp use by county:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/11/28/us/20091128-foodstamps.html

Real America is doing just fine. Liberal cesspools are drowning in poverty.

angryed on February 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

CFPB = Cordray’s Funky Power Bid

Bitter Clinger on February 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Oh, and by the way, the credit bureaus are working just fine. What we need to watch out for is Cordray going after them over discrimination. They all use credit scoring models that the race-baiting activists claim discriminate against minorities.

rockmom on February 17, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Sigh… REAL America is broke but they are opposed to oversight of collection agencies. I wonder why they keep losing elections?

Freedumm! Undefeated!

KeninCT on February 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM

The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act

rockmom on February 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM

We need to castrate these people not just politically…literally!

KOOLAID2 on February 17, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Liberals ought to ask themselves how they will like it when Republican appointees have dictatorial power over the medical system, financial system and every other system the Regime is assuming control over.

A Republican will be president again sooner or later.

How about a Santorum appointee telling you what kind of health plan you are allowed to have? Hope you enjoy it, libs. “Fundamental change” might not turn out quite like you thought it would.

forest on February 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

They won’t like it.

But what I am afraid of is that if a Republican wins they will get to LIKE that power just like Obama got to like the PATRIOT Act… Which is why power, once seized by government, is seldom ever ceded…

wildcat72 on February 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Under its proposed rule, the CFPB would oversee the nation’s largest debt collectors, the primary credit reporting agencies such as Experian, Equifax and TransUnion, and other lesser-known consumer reporting agencies. It is the first attempt by the watchdog agency to define which businesses in the vast swath of nontraditional financial institutions will be subject to the same examination process as banks.

“This oversight would help restore confidence that the federal government is standing beside the American consumer,” CFPB Director Richard Cordray said in a statement.

Out: check your credit score – new hotness: the return of debtor prisons LOL!

Dr Evil on February 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Increasingly, I see that being “educated” is no indication of intelligence. In fact, the more the education and the greater the title, the more they can convince themselves of anything being right or good.

beatcanvas on February 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

I recognize no appointment to an executive agency without Congressional oversight.

The dictator-in-chief will just have to throw his tantrum and get over it.

Turtle317 on February 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Real America is doing just fine. Liberal cesspools are drowning in poverty.

angryed on February 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

That’s great news, patriot! You should thank your President. Here’s a sample letter:

Dear BHO,

I’m an angry, late middle-aged white person without any savings and a mountain of credit card debt. I just want to let you know that I, like the rest of my REAL American brethren are doing just fine! I won’t vote for you because you’re black and a muslim and all but, again, we’re doing just fine!

Sincerely,

REAL America

KeninCT on February 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM

defended Cordray as a mainstream, responsible choice to lead the CFPB, and gave him a recess appointment.

No Mr. Morrissey,

Cordray was illegally installed as the head of the CFPB. Congress was not in recess. Obama simply decided to ignore the Constitution. We should not gloss over this crime by making statements about Cordray’s “recess appointment.”

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Agree. The only way to stop Obama and his lawlessness is to completely invalidate any lawless act he has perpetrated. We are indeed “legitimizing” his lawless deeds by accepting them.
This is going to take some serious chutzpah to ignore directives from illegitimate sources, but it must begin and begin NOW!

katy on February 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Agree. The only way to stop Obama and his lawlessness is to completely invalidate any lawless act he has perpetrated. We are indeed “legitimizing” his lawless deeds by accepting them.
This is going to take some serious chutzpah to ignore directives from illegitimate sources, but it must begin and begin NOW!

katy on February 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM

And it should start at the level of state legislatures. Just because they put up with this crap in California and New York doesn’t mean we should have to in flyover country.

gryphon202 on February 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM

So Ed – Why support a crap weasel like Santorum who grew government at every turn and did NOTHING practical to stop judges who believe it’s a constitutional right to deny life contrary to what it says in the Declaration? Everything this post complains about is something Santorum supported when he Governed.

Whatever issues you have with Newt, he is the ONLY living Republican who REDUCED the size of government and balanced a budget.

Please give us one significant conservative accomplishment for St. Rick? What landmark legislation or accomplishment has he achieved?

I get he has a nice family. So does Obama – how’s that working out for us?

The fact is, prior to Obama becoming President, no one with as few credentials and successes as Santorum has would think of running for President as an R. Obama lowered the bar and we’ve got Santorum. At least Mitt was a governor and Newt Speaker of the House (No. 3 in our system).

Today Santorum makes his claims about what he’s against but when he GOVERNED he led us down this path just as much as Mitt Romney. His charity is a sham, his address in VA is a sham for the man from PA, his support for pro-choice judges makes his prolife positioning a sham. St. Rick’s pro-life credentials stop at the water’s edge of his political ambition. An American Santorum commenter pointed out pointed out how Santorum helped fast track Sotmayor to the supreme court. What conservative governs that way?

Governing records matter and St. Rick has passed the same types of laws as had H. Reid and N. ‘pope’ Pelosi.

His lack of accomplishment matches Obama.

Why invest in this guy?

NVA Patriot on February 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Governing records matter and St. Rick has passed the same types of laws as had H. Reid and N. ‘pope’ Pelosi.

His lack of accomplishment matches Obama.

Why invest in this guy?

NVA Patriot on February 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM

So NVA, why bring up Santorum when he has nothing to do with this thread? Douchebag.

gryphon202 on February 17, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Agree. The only way to stop Obama and his lawlessness is to completely invalidate any lawless act he has perpetrated. We are indeed “legitimizing” his lawless deeds by accepting them.
This is going to take some serious chutzpah to ignore directives from illegitimate sources, but it must begin and begin NOW!

katy on February 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Not just invalidate them, IGNORE them. Not just ignore them, MOCK them.

Government can’t act on authority it does not have.
It cannot enforce regulations issued by someone with no authority to issue them. Those officers do not exist and those regulations do not exist.

How far is Obama willing to go on this? Is he going to send armed thugs in? I admit that I have been somewhat surprised that we’ve gone 3 years with Eric Holder, who is even more corrupt than Janet Reno and we haven’t had another Waco or Ruby Ridge yet.

There comes a point where our duty as citizens is to not obey the government.

wildcat72 on February 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

And it should start at the level of state legislatures. Just because they put up with this crap in California and New York doesn’t mean we should have to in flyover country.

gryphon202 on February 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM

It will have to. The Federal legislature isn’t going to touch it.

katy on February 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

There comes a point where our duty as citizens is to not obey the government.

wildcat72 on February 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

But it will have to come with the imprimatur of the state legislatures. There’s a federal building in my home town, and I have fantasies of it sitting dark and abandoned because my home state no longer let’s federal agents do their [unconstitutional] work there.

gryphon202 on February 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM

wildcat72 on February 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Ignore. When challenged, sue and if the lefty judges aren’t upholding the law….you fill in the blanks.

katy on February 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM

If we need any more new laws, we need one only — criminalizing unconstitutional power grabs. 10 years for anyone voting “yea” in the legislature, 10 years for anyone in the executive who fails to veto, 10 years for anyone on staff who works to further, with any citizen able to access the courts to enforce at any Federal court in the nation.

cthulhu on February 17, 2012 at 11:31 AM

What the CFPB really needs is to be repealed, along with the rest of Dodd-Frank.

Furthermore, any member of Congress who votes to enact a bill containing the words “the Secretary shall determine” or similar language delegating the member of Congress’ lawmaking authority to the Executive, should be impeached for violating his/her constitutional oath.

AZCoyote on February 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM

There comes a point where our duty as citizens is to not obey the government.

wildcat72 on February 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

That’s right – revolution’s a-comin’, REAL America! Best wishes for the future People’s Republic of Redneckistan! Will President Palin go on the dollar bill or the 5? Will Dale Earnhart be on the penny or nickel?

KeninCT on February 17, 2012 at 11:34 AM

gryphon202 on February 17, 2012 at 11:19 AM

There is a faction that has decided to demonize anybody but Romney (and Ron Paul since Paul pretty much demonizes himself). Doesn’t matter the thread, it is all about unfairly painting Santorum as some sort of right wing crackpot.

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 11:44 AM

He’s like Zorin – “MORE, MORE POWER”

Wigglesworth on February 17, 2012 at 11:49 AM

KeninCT on February 17, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Hey stupid!

Are you honestly suggesting that you are better off now than you were when the jug-eared traitor took power? Are you suggesting that the nation is going in the right direction?

Fact of the matter is that we need hope and change to get rid of the hope and change. You can mock that which you clearly do not understand but if you do so, you need to point out why you are perfectly content to wallow around in the feces that is the Obama administration.

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Right after the election in November ’08, one of the Obama campaign committee came out to assure us that he “would be ready to rule on Day 1″.

Can’t say they didn’t tell us their intentions up front, even though the useful idiots on the left, if they even noticed it, assured us that it didn’t mean what it sounded like it meant.

LibraryGryffon on February 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Again, if it didn’t pass through Congress, it is not Law, therefore not unlawful to disregard or ignore.

John Kettlewell on February 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Cordray is no moderate…

That’s putting it mildly, Ed.

The voters booted Cordray as Ohio AG in 2010. I was so hoping that would be the last we’d see of him in a position of power.

GrannyDee on February 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM

The man is illegally employed. Rather than giving him more power, he should be on trial for capital treason.

georgej on February 17, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Now that he’s ensconced at the CFPB, Cordray’s first action is to demand even more power at CFPB

Oh yea? Well, Bush is Chimpy McHitler!

/it had to be said…

Mr_Magoo on February 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Please get Dewine to release when Cordray was Ohio AG in 2010. Many of the employees will tell you Cordray searched porn on Ohio’s dime

charmingtail on February 17, 2012 at 2:40 PM

What the CFPB really needs is to be repealed, along with the rest of Dodd-Frank.

Furthermore, any member of Congress who votes to enact a bill containing the words “the Secretary shall determine” or similar language delegating the member of Congress’ lawmaking authority to the Executive, should be impeached for violating his/her constitutional oath.

AZCoyote on February 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Agreed.

I think there is a fair argument to be made that passing a law which cedes lawmaking (or “rules making”) power from Congress to another branch of government is unconstitutional. The Constitution does not say that Congress can’t do it, however, I believe there is room to argue that the basic system of checks and balances invalidates any such law. I would argue that if Congress cedes any law making power to the executive branch, then it inherently loses it’s constitutional check on the power of the executive branch in the areas covered by that law. The result is that Congress loses oversight in that area which the Constitution mandates that it must have over the executive branch, thereby invalidating any such law as unconstitutional.

gravityman on February 17, 2012 at 2:48 PM

The voters booted Cordray as Ohio AG in 2010. I was so hoping that would be the last we’d see of him in a position of power.

GrannyDee on February 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Indeed. As for Obama stating that his performance as Ohio AG made him the best choice, as AG he was tasked by then-Governor Ted Strickland with finding several million dollars of tax revenues that had “gone missing” at the State Treasury. At the time of the disappearance, the state treasurer was.. Richard Cordray.

Needless to say, AG Cordray’s investigation of Treasurer Cordray’s activities found no evidence of wrongdoing, or incompetence. (He also never found the dough.)

I’m torn between wondering if he’s merely a fairly clumsy crook, or if (as George Kennedy said in The Eiger Sanction) he’s just so dumb he couldn’t find his you-know-what with a six-man search party.

Either way, the sooner he’s off the Federal payroll, the better for everyone concerned. Even Obama. (Another embarrassment in his staff he really doesn’t need.)

cheers

eon

eon on February 17, 2012 at 3:32 PM

GrannyDee on February 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM

In exchange, Ohio got a government that was even more big-government.

sethstorm on February 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM

“Consumer Financial Protection Bureau” pfft, socialist malarkey.

Under its proposed rule, the CFPB would oversee the nation’s largest debt collectors, the primary credit reporting agencies such as Experian, Equifax and TransUnion, and other lesser-known consumer reporting agencies.

All we American taxpayers need is to boost another federal fiscal bureaucracy that claims to protect us. Since when have the big 3 credit reporting agencies that actually do protect consumer clients’ credit needed Big Brother to stick another leaky Fed dick into our personal credit? The only guaranteed taxpayer return for funding the CFPB is easier access for hacks to steal our identities and open accounts without our knowledge.

Consider, btw, Newt’s reason to rely on the private sector (ex: VISA or AMEX) rather than the Federal Govt to run US Citizenship Identification for new employment processing of job applicants. Our Unionized Federal Employees are abusive incompetents. Sen. Fred Thompson sponsored a bill requiring all federal employees to prove their proficiency at work — as if that Republican Majority gave a damn. So all we need now is to require another tax funded federal fiscal fiasco bureau more power in order to “protect” or create more government unionized jobs filled by incompetents who only care about buttering their own slice of bread.

maverick muse on February 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM

TGIF: take it to a whole ‘nutha level…

Here’s Calderon’s version of a CFPB:

Dear friends of the United States, Mexico needs your help to stop this terrible violence that we’re suffering. The best way to do this is to stop the flow of automatic weapons into Mexico,” Calderon said in English during the unveiling ceremony

…of what may as well be Mexico’s CFPB “No More Weapons” billboard against America, made of firearms.

Nothing like forcing the natives into submission, unarmed victims of cartels. Imagine a “No More Drugs” billboard made of drugs.

Calderon keeps blaming the US consumers for the Mexican cartel profits. Tit for tat, Calderon can accept Mexico’s blame for that country’s consumers illegally trading/using firearms.

Were US private property owners to post “No More Cartels!” billboard against Mexico as if a billboard will stop the flow of illegal traffic across the border, halt drug and human trafficking through private lands, the violence against such an American rancher/farmer would be swift, costly and fatal.

Prohibition or Mandates certainly escalate violent crime.

maverick muse on February 17, 2012 at 4:49 PM

gravityman on February 17, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Furthermore, when Congress is no longer constitutionally responsible as each member is sworn to be, the citizenry is converted to subjects of rulers, no longer represented in governance.

You can’t selectively unravel our Constitutional Governance. Checks and balances require limitations per branch authority. Each branch has a role.

maverick muse on February 17, 2012 at 4:57 PM