You mean it’s not possible to provide contraception insurance at no cost to … anybody?

posted at 8:25 pm on February 16, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Well, duh. What’s crazy is that the administration has ever tried to say otherwise. Fortunately, insurers aren’t afraid to state the obvious. Hidden — or not-so-hidden — in the administration’s insistent mandate that insurers provide coverage for contraception to the employees of religiously-affiliated organizations is a very real cost:

The administration has said insurers should ultimately make up any initial costs by avoiding expenses associated with unintended pregnancies. But a new survey of 15 large health plans shows they are dubious of such savings.

Asked what impact the requirement will have on their costs in the year to two years after it goes into effect, 40 percent of the participants said they expect the requirement will increase costs through higher pharmacy expenses.

The survey of pharmacy directors at the health plans was conducted on Wednesday by Reimbursement Intelligence, which advises pharmaceutical, medical device and other companies on reimbursement issues. The firm did not name the insurance plans it surveyed.

Of the health plans, 20 percent said costs would even out because they already budget for contraception in the premium, 6.7 percent said it would drive up pharmacy costs but decrease medical costs, while 33.3 percent weren’t sure. None said it would lead to net savings.

Nobody should be surprised by this, not least the president, even if he did recently try to sell the mandate as driven by a desire to lower health care costs. Apparently, the administration actually prohibited the panel of health-care experts commissioned to craft a list of recommended preventive services — the list that ultimately led to the contraception mandate — from considering cost-effectiveness. So, they didn’t — and predictably recommended that the administration mandate coverage of contraception.

Let’s think about this for a minute: Insurers expect this to increase their costs. Will they just swallow that increase or will they — oh, I don’t know — raise premiums? Once again, I’m reminded that it sucks to be a conservative because we have to be the ones to say fun facts like this one: There’s no such thing as a free lunch.

The conservative talking point on this issue so far has been this: “This isn’t about contraception. This is about religious liberty.” Let’s take that one step further: “This isn’t about religious liberty. This is about plain ol’ liberty.” Even if I were the biggest proponent of contraception in the world, even if I spent my weekends passing out condoms to college kids, even if I spent my days pleading with my female peers to pop the pill, I would still say no one should be forced to subsidize another person’s contraception.


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JugEars will pay my mortgage and fill my car with gas. It’s all free!

KOOLAID2 on February 16, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Economic Stooge!

KOOLAID2 on February 16, 2012 at 8:28 PM

The insurance companies just have to borrow the money, and never intend to pay it back, just like the federal government.

RBMN on February 16, 2012 at 8:29 PM

No wonder JugEars almost went BK until he wrote his book!

KOOLAID2 on February 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Contraceptives are produced for free from unicorn droppings.

Alferd Packer on February 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

It just astounds me that contraception is an issue.
Until it was made an issue it was not an issue.
It’s all about liberty.
And what I pack my kid for lunch.

ORconservative on February 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Can we talk about he f**king economy? The GOP is determined to give Obama a second term.

My wife and her friends were talking about some contraceptive hearing today and they were really pissed off, this are suburban conservative mums who have voted republican all their life. It is time to move on and talk about Obama’s failures.

celticdefender on February 16, 2012 at 8:31 PM

magical birth control unicorns will pick up the tab…so no one will pay!

these people went to harvard, after all, why should they understand how insurance actually works?

of course many insurance policies that already do no pay for contraceptives pay for viagra… why should i be forced to pay for other people’s-uh- ere@tions ???? it’s an outrage!

mittens on February 16, 2012 at 8:32 PM

The Candyman can

Electrongod on February 16, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Can we talk about he f**king economy? The GOP is determined to give Obama a second term.

My wife and her friends were talking about some contraceptive hearing today and they were really pissed off, this are suburban conservative mums who have voted republican all their life. It is time to move on and talk about Obama’s failures.

celticdefender on February 16, 2012 at 8:31 PM

What’s a bigger Obama failure than trashing the Constitution?

RBMN on February 16, 2012 at 8:34 PM

What does this remind me of? Oh, yeah:

“You know, huh, we actually learned that there aren’t any shovel-ready jobs.”

Syzygy on February 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM

How about Obama show us how it’s done….and abort his Re-election campaign!!!!

Chant with me…….

Abort the campaign!!!
Show us how it’s done.
Abort the campaign!!!!
Let Hillary have a turn.

PappyD61 on February 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Let’s think about this for a minute: Insurers expect this to increase their costs. Will they just swallow that increase or will they — oh, I don’t know — raise premiums go to court to fight against an unconstitutional diktat to provide something for “free”

Charlemagne on February 16, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Good try KOOLAID2

Math is very hard, sure I’m a business man, I understand that. Of course a make a product completely in the service of others. I don’t need money to pay for raw goods, employees, and all the other overhead cost’s. I use my wealth to provide for you, at no charge, because you deserve it. P.S. Did I mention I’m filing Chapter 11 at the end of the month?

Bmore on February 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

The administration has said insurers should ultimately make up any initial costs by avoiding expenses associated with unintended pregnancies. But a new survey of 15 large health plans shows they are dubious of such savings.

Of course they are. This is all a bunch of nonsense. People can and ARE paying for this already. So all this would do, aside from the issues of liberty, is provide an entitlement where one is not needed.

I want to see the statistics of the vast number of people who are getting preganant because they can’t AFFORD contraceptives. Let’s get real here.

Liberal mantra: There can be no freedom until everything is free.

PackerBronco on February 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Never mind the election. Yahoo news says Obama wins. He gets 303 electoral votes including Alaska, Missouri, and Nevada.No need to vote… The oracle has spoken…

sandee on February 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

He would be better off trying to get the DoEnergy to supply their own power. or maybe the Congress to work for free.

KenInIL on February 16, 2012 at 8:42 PM

You keep calling abortion “contraception”.

I do not think this word means what you think it means.

Jaibones on February 16, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Has the Downgrade Administration ever explained where they get the authority to do this?

Chip on February 16, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I have a question. What happens when the contraception coverage is rolled out, will underage girls be able to go to a doctor and get free contraception without their parents knowledge?

xdwall on February 16, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Never mind the election. Yahoo news says Obama wins. He gets 303 electoral votes including Alaska, Missouri, and Nevada.No need to vote… The oracle has spoken…

sandee on February 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

The why bother having the election?

/ Beverly Perdue

Chip on February 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Once again, I’m reminded that it sucks to be a conservative because we have to be the ones to say fun facts like this one: There’s no such thing as a free lunch.

I beg your pardon, Tina, but there is such a thing as a free lunch. They serve them everyday in the public schools. From your perspective, they aren’t free because you pay taxes that fund them.

From the eaters perspective, he just shows up and lunch is ready. What a country!

BobMbx on February 16, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Has anybody bothered to think about what happens when payment is guaranteed and the prices are no longer consumer-driven???

When you tell these pharma companies that the sky’s the limit, Uncle Sugar’s gonna pay whatever it costs… those insurers aren’t going to be seeing patients making cheap medication choices anymore. The pharma reps will be out in droves, convincing doctors that such-n-such new medication is The Thing, and it’s gonna be Game On.

No data used before the mandate goes into effect is going to be worth the paper it’s printed on.

Murf76 on February 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Pick up your free birth control, soylent green and bread at the nearest central city.

tjexcite on February 16, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Nobody should be surprised by this, not least the president…

That’s absurd, this man doesn’t know the first thing about economics or business and neither does anyone that has ever been within 20 feet of him.

This man is dead set on destroying America, turning it into a third world socialist worker’s paradise.

clippermiami on February 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

This isn’t about religious liberty. This is about plain ol’ liberty.” ……

……I would still say no one should be forced to subsidize another person’s contraception. Anything.

But maybe that’s my hang-up – and my right to my property, livelihood and all that.

Chip on February 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Abortionists scream about the government “keeping their hands off my body”. Well ladies, when it comes to birth control, “Keep your hands out of my wallet!”

GarandFan on February 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Liberal mantra: There can be no freedom until everything is free.

PackerBronco on February 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

FDR, 1944 State of the Union: “Necessitous men are not free men.”

visions on February 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Nobody should be surprised by this, not least the president…

That’s absurd, this man doesn’t know the first thing about economics or business and neither does anyone that has ever been within 20 feet of him.

This man is dead set on destroying America, turning it into a third world socialist worker’s paradise.

clippermiami on February 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Oh come on! Downgrade is a certifiable genius – just look at his college transcripts!

Chip on February 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Tina… do you look into issues before you write about them.

The largest insurance pool in the United States (FEHB) adopted this policy by law in 1998. The law allowed the insurance providers to raise premiums if compliance with the law caused them to incur higher costs through reconciliation but it hasn’t happened.

Actuarial studies don’t necessary support this (they estimated 0.05% increase) but in actual practice there haven’t been increases and in 27 states where this has been implemented they have managed savings of about $400 million over ten years in Medicaid costs due to this policy according to the CBO.

The economics are irrelevant to the ethical problems of the policy but in terms of pure economics, your article does not reflect what is going on the real world.

lexhamfox on February 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

ORconservative on February 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

I think everyone of these posts (and elsewhere) should have a headline that begins with something like Obama’s Assault On American Freedom.

This is about plain ol’ liberty

Tina, take that thought and use it as the lead until people get the message.

Obama’s Assault on Liberty: Attempted Deflection With False Free Deal

INC on February 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Barry & Kathy continue to argue that this will save insurance companies money (birth control ultimately being cheaper than a baby).

I argue that, if that’s the case, why aren’t they doing this already?

You know, being capitalist pigs and all.

A wild guess: the insurance companies have already studied this and determined it is not cost effective.

pain train on February 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

You keep calling abortion “contraception”.

I do not think this word means what you think it means.

Jaibones on February 16, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Always like a Princess Bride referrence.

dirtseller on February 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Even if I were the biggest proponent of contraception in the world, even if I spent my weekends passing out condoms to college kids, even if I spent my days pleading with my female peers to pop the pill, I would still say no one should be forced to subsidize another person’s contraception.

Because if you’re using contraception, then by definition you’re only having sex for pleasure. Nothing more.

Why is that pleasure subsidized, and where are my free ballgame tickets?

Typhoon on February 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

You just know that that the word “free” polls well. Obama plays Americans like a violin.

lexhamfox on February 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Do you know how and when to use a question mark ?

CW on February 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Everything should be free then, it would only be fair..

tinkerthinker on February 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

“Keep your hands out of my wallet!”

GarandFan on February 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

That’s our wallet. It is not yours. When will you ever learn?

CW on February 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

One thing that puzzles me about the argument that this will somehow save money because fewer women will become pregnant is – how do we know this? Where’s the research that there are all these women out there that are getting pregnant because their insurance plan won’t pay $9 for birth control pills? I’m just not hearing this is an issue anywhere.

But, also, why should the federal government care whether women are getting pregnant intentionally or not? Is this all part of the liberal scheme to control the population, and that this is only the beginning of bigger plan.

sydneyjane on February 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Even libtards like Blumenthal know it’s not really free
.
.

CNSNews:“Right, but it’s the insurance companies, the compromise was”

Sen. Blumenthal: “They have to cover the cost, so no one’s giving it away for free.”

Wigglesworth on February 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

So since the Pill is now going to be “Free” to anyone in America now, there will be over-prescription and over-use. After the body absorbs what it needs, where does the rest go to? Ah yes, that’s right – into our waterways to be consumed by fish and perhaps re-consumed by humans?

And aren’t there some increased risks for cancer with taking the Pill? http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/oral-contraceptives

Unintended consequences indeed

mdenis39 on February 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

One thing that puzzles me about the argument that this will somehow save money because fewer women will become pregnant is – how do we know this? Where’s the research that there are all these women out there that are getting pregnant because their insurance plan won’t pay $9 for birth control pills? I’m just not hearing this is an issue anywhere.

sydneyjane on February 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

In the long run forced sterilization would be cheaper. /

CW on February 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

No cost to anyone. They just appear every morning with the dew.

Pattosensei on February 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Tina… do you look into issues before you write about them…

Actuarial studies don’t necessary support this (they estimated 0.05% increase) but in actual practice there haven’t been increases and in 27 states where this has been implemented they have managed savings of about $400 million over ten years in Medicaid costs due to this policy according to the CBO.

lexhamfox on February 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

You’re actually going to site the financial disaster known as Medicaid as your argument? Maybe for them it’s cheaper to have less “born into government assistance” babies vs., you know, future paying customers.

pain train on February 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Because some people are too lazy and stupid to go buy condoms.

CW on February 16, 2012 at 9:10 PM

We have got to stop letting the liberals and the media, I know I’m repeating myself, set the narrative on this issue. It is not just about contraception, it’s about attacking the First Amendment. The contraception kerfuffle is smoke and mirrors while the separation of Church and State is being dismantled before our very eyes.

If they succeed at this, what’s next? What other liberties will they attempt to remove? We already know they’re going after our 2nd amendment rights too.

Ask yourselves, if this was just a “Santorum” issue, why did George Stephanopolous spend 10 minutes asking questions about contraception while Santorum was still a blip on the radar? Fortunately Romney didn’t fall into their trap, but now that Santorum has gained recognition they’re increasing the intensity and volume on the issue.

The GOP, and conservative blogs like Hot Air, need to stop focusing so much on the contraception mandate and start letting the public know loudly and often that this administration has waged war against religious rights in this country, unless it’s the religion of Islam.

I also watched a few minutes of the congressional hearings mentioned above. And in the few minutes I watched, the Religious Leaders that were testifying were sounding the very same alarm that I just mentioned.

Faith Leaders Testify in Solidarity at Congressional Hearing on Contraception Mandate Violating Religious Freedom

btw, I am not a Santorum supporter. I’m still sticking with Gingrich, the only candidate, beside Perry, who drew attention to this issue months ago. And the only candidate who has said he will undue all of Obama’s religious restrictions his first day in office.

Flora Duh on February 16, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Contraceptives are produced for free from unicorn droppings.

Alferd Packer on February 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Wait! Wait! Obama’s unicorns make droppings? Who is required allowed to clean them up?

rwenger43 on February 16, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Can we talk about he f**king economy? The GOP is determined to give Obama a second term.

My wife and her friends were talking about some contraceptive hearing today and they were really pissed off, this are suburban conservative mums who have voted republican all their life. It is time to move on and talk about Obama’s failures.

celticdefender on February 16, 2012 at 8:31 PM

You should tell your wife and friends to do some research. The “contraceptive hearing” today was NOT about contraceptives BUT OBAMA overstepping his Constitutional authority on mandating what must be bought and sold for by taxpayers. A few Democrat women tried to change the agenda of the meeting by insisting a young college woman speak about contraceptives. She was not granted the opportunity to speak because, as told to them by the Committee, that was NOT what the meeting was about. Obviously pissed off because they couldn’t get their way, the women walked out of the meeting and directly went to the media to spread false information. The meeting was NOT about Republicans against contraceptives … just more media spin and propaganda for Obama to use in his campaign!!!

Hobbes on February 16, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Beware the ‘it’s a health care/cost’ meme !!
If the Ocare mandate is NOT overturned, we’ll all have to watch what we eat, drink, construct within our own homes (can’t have that stair riser more than ‘some’ dimension, it might cause a trip, broken hip, drain on the healthcare system) !! Forget the fact that it’s so dam*ed hard to SEE the stairs with the required newfangled lightbulbs we’re forced to buy…

Dam*, I already miss the concept of personal responsibility & liberty… sigh.

pambi on February 16, 2012 at 9:18 PM

What was it my old Econ prof told us back in the day?

TANSTAAFL?

If the Obama Administration can use the hammer of government to force or require private citizens purchase anything (free goodies included or not)…then where is the end limit?

Once that Rubicon has been crossed, there is no limit…ever. Precedent has been set.

And there are millions and millions of Americans (legal and otherwise) who want this bozo to have another four years?

coldwarrior on February 16, 2012 at 9:19 PM

No wonder JugEars almost went BK until he wrote his book!

KOOLAID2 on February 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

You mean Bill Ayers wrote Barry Soetoro’s book. Oops, I mean the JEF’s book.

Robert Jensen on February 16, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Currently with 98% of the people taking the pill that want to already,according to HHS Secretary Sebelius, because it is so popular, how can there be any unintended pregnancies to offset the cost with?

You pay now on your prescription plan, for the entire cost or whatever co pay you have. And the people that want them buy them, no one is going without pills even though they have to pay something. The people that think they don’t need pills are not buying them, and they are the ones having the unintended pregnancies…or intended, and Obama just THINKS they are unintended. Those people will not be taking them when they are free just because they are free, they don’t think they need them!

The poor have free stuff already, and you know how well they use contraception…The middle class does not need to pay up front for pills in the cost of their insurance policy.

We are paying for this policy or our employer is, it is not FREE.

Fleuries on February 16, 2012 at 9:24 PM

If contraception and abortifacients were free, why would anyone need insurance to cover them?

Montjoie on February 16, 2012 at 9:30 PM

I do not understand. Why would something like the actual cost of something matter to someone who is willing to mandate under an authority not enumerated in the Constitution? Seems to me that if someone like Obama is willing to go well beyond any powers granted by the Constitution to do things like mandate contraception and the like, then real world consequences like the cost of implementing such mandates are irrelevant.

The point is that Obama and the gang are well aware of what has been done and that they do not have the power to do what they did, but they did it anyway, for whatever rationalized reason. They did it, and thus far, the Republicans have let them get away with it.

Weebork on February 16, 2012 at 9:30 PM

I hear vasectomies are not free.
Is that discrimination or is its still the women’s fault if she gets pregnant? /sarc

The highest rate of “unwanted” pregnancies and out of wedlock births is in the population that is currently the most highly subsidized. I would expect this policy to expand that number ever more.

MHatch on February 16, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Back in 1964, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet fired Khrushchev for doing a lot less than Obama has done thus far.

coldwarrior on February 16, 2012 at 9:33 PM

It’ll save insurance companies money the same way it saves regular old people money.

Seriously, what’s cheaper?

a) Birth Control

b) A newborn

And.. who pays for the newborn’s health costs? Wait for it.. insurance companies.

It’s basic math and reasoning that the religious right turns a blind eye to because they would rather force their religious beliefs on everyone else.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 9:35 PM

I am going to demand free Invitro Fertilization Services, or I won’t have reproductive freedom. FREE for me, because it costs too much. (Oh, yes don’t forget the free diapers I heard about, do you remember that?)

Free sex change operations would be fairness, so that rich people and poor people can equally alter their sex away from their chromosomes. Right now, only the rich have that priv. (I hope I can get a free haircut too.) A lot of people are just one free operation away from fairness. Hormone Therapy too, I hope that is free.

Will they pay for my cat if he needs fixing too? My cat is like a person to me, like my child, in my eyes he is human. Because I think it, it must be so.

I really did hear the President of the United States today, say he wanted contraceptives to be Free. He was going to make them free. What an idiot, nothing is free.

Fleuries on February 16, 2012 at 9:35 PM

MHatch, I think the vasectomy ought to be free, I can think of some marriages it might have saved!

Of course the Vas snip will be free you idiot, hardly anyone will want one.

Fleuries on February 16, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Obama has morphed the entire concept of freedom into the far more progressive free-dumb.

coldwarrior on February 16, 2012 at 9:39 PM

triple on February 16, 2012 at 9:35 PM

It’s only ‘basic math’ to those who refuse to see the constitutional abridgement involved.
That’s the smokescreen.
Sigh.

pambi on February 16, 2012 at 9:43 PM

It’s been ‘for the children’ for ages … but, alas, at the moment, they don’t vote, so………
now, it’s ‘for the women’.
Oh, people, wake up !!

pambi on February 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

How long before it’s mandatory to take the “free contraceptives” ??

nacho475 on February 16, 2012 at 9:59 PM

It’ll save insurance companies money the same way it saves regular old people money.

Seriously, what’s cheaper?

a) Birth Control

b) A newborn

And.. who pays for the newborn’s health costs? Wait for it.. insurance companies.

It’s basic math and reasoning that the religious right turns a blind eye to because they would rather force their religious beliefs on everyone else.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 9:35 PM

You forget: It is not within the scope of the Federal Government’s enumerated powers to force insurance companies to offer a certain service.
It is not within the Federal Government’s enumerated powers to provide old age pensions and health care.
None of these things would be as expensive as they are if the Federal Government would stop interfering by inadvertently setting the price of services.
College tuition is yet another example.
Americans only have a right to pursue their own happiness.
The government is not the entity that provides happiness.

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Let’s apply this to Free cars and gasoline:

It’ll save insurance companies money the same way it saves regular people money.

Seriously, what’s cheaper?

a) Unemployment benefits

b) A Free Car and Gas to people so they can get to a job

And.. Who pays for the unemployed costs? Wait for it.. Everyone else!

It’s basic math and reasoning that the religious right turns a blind eye to because they would rather force their religious beliefs on everyone else and keep their precious earnings instead of turning them over to the Downgrade Administration and United Socialist States of Amerika!

See how that works – it’s fine as long as you forget about that pesky rule of law stuff…

Chip on February 16, 2012 at 10:15 PM

The longer this goes on, the more I begin to suspect the administration has floated this as a red herring.

The more time we spend griping about the contraception mandate, the less time we spend griping about the individual mandate, which deprives all of us of freedom, not just employers with objections on religious grounds.

Worse still, what if at the end of all this, they “cave” and work something out for Catholic employers… and in the process of arguing in this context, it pulls us into a de facto acceptance of the circumstances – particularly, the right of the government to regulate and enforce health insurance protocols for the entire nation?

The Schaef on February 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Chip on February 16, 2012 at 10:15 PM

I personally think we should seriously consider Soylent Green.
After all, there’s a hell of a lot of baby boomers & think of all the $$ in Medicare & SS we could save……

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Duh Won

Philly on February 16, 2012 at 10:38 PM

It’s basic math and reasoning that the religious right turns a blind eye to because they would rather force their religious beliefs on everyone else.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Look at the lib telling us about forcing . . . like forcing us all to buy the clinically approved, promised to be perfect health insurance.

You guys are a blast.

Nemesis of Jihad on February 16, 2012 at 10:50 PM

I didn’t go to Harvard, matter of fact I didn’t go to college; but you can be sure that free birth control will not make a difference in the amount of unwanted pregnancies; unless the Feds send their Pill Police around to make sure birth control pills are being taken.

aknews on February 16, 2012 at 10:56 PM

When obamacare decrees by law that all employers must offer insurance that covers contraception, and churches are exempt from doing so, and every other non-religious employer must still do so, guess who is subsidizing whom?

Allahs vulva on February 16, 2012 at 11:10 PM

It’s basic math and reasoning that the religious right turns a blind eye to because they would rather force their religious beliefs on everyone else.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Hey, you guys are the ones who are trying to force YOUR religious beliefs (or lack of) on US, by force of law. And you complain when we push back?

cptacek on February 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Who is Obama, or Sibelius for that matter, to mandate ANYTHING? I was almost SURE I was voting for president and not dictator

jayhawkingeorgia on February 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I wonder if Stephanopoulos knew something about Obama strategy when he asked Romney about banning contraception in that debate, when everyone thought he was nuts to ask it? And here we are, talking about, not banning contraception, but forcing it on everyone.

Democrats may think the right can’t defend themselves on this, but they seem to be doing so.

It certainly irked the churches and has anyone who cares about personal freedom riled up. The only faction happy about this are left-wing extremists. Good luck getting elected on that.

I suggest Obama take some photos and soak up his final months in office, perhaps start a scrapbook, or something.

virgo on February 17, 2012 at 12:30 AM

When you tell these pharma companies that the sky’s the limit, Uncle Sugar’s gonna pay whatever it costs… those insurers aren’t going to be seeing patients making cheap medication choices anymore. The pharma reps will be out in droves, convincing doctors that such-n-such new medication is The Thing, and it’s gonna be Game On.

Murf76 on February 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

This. However, this is part of The Plan. When the pharmaceutical companies start doing this, and raising prices because, hey, “The Feds can confiscate enough money to pay for anything!”, the next Democrat administration will parlay this into an excuse to nationalize the pharmaceutical industry, because they will be, “Ripping off The People!”

Seriously, what’s cheaper?
a) Birth Control
b) A newborn
And.. who pays for the newborn’s health costs? Wait for it.. insurance companies.

It’s basic math and reasoning that the religious right turns a blind eye to because they would rather force their religious beliefs on everyone else.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Hooray, another Don Quixote tilting at windmills!

Where to start…alright. First off, insurance companies will only pay for the care of a newborn if the parents are paying the insurance premiums for that newborn, at least under a free market system. Cost covered.

Second, the “religious right” is not trying to ban contraceptives, or ban coverage of contraceptives, they don’t want the federal government forcing churches to buy contraceptives when it directly conflicts with their beliefs. I’ve never heard of a Catholic hospital firing a non-Catholic employee for using contraceptives.

Third, what about the economic activity that baby will eventually produce? That far outweighs the cost of bearing that child in most cases.

Fourth, you’re an idiot.

Asurea on February 17, 2012 at 12:35 AM

And I thought it was just Obama who was a total moron, now I realize he has surrounded himself with like minds.

2eagles on February 17, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Why is that pleasure subsidized, and where are my free ballgame tickets?

Typhoon on February 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

And my Boxster for commuting.

Freelancer on February 17, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Insurance is a bet against the unforeseen.

How is routine stuff covered by unforeseen protection?

bbhack on February 17, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Guess What? Since I will be paying for everyones healthcare and condoms, I “get a say” in other peoples business soon.

YES, thats right! All you fatso’s in America, get ready, I will make sure you eat what I think is in your BEST interest. So dont be pissed when I overtly tell you to drop the burger and eat a salad instead.

Since I will be paying for the condoms, I might envoke the right of jus primae noctis, a noble’s right to partake in sex with a new bride. Or I might give my opinion over whether or not you should have children.

So many options, I just dont know yet…..

mr_west on February 17, 2012 at 1:30 AM

How ObamaWorld Works 101:

Nobody should be surprised by this, not least the president, even if he did recently try to sell the mandate as driven by a desire to lower health care costs force private insurance companies out of business and allow government single-payer to fill the vacuum.

Now it all makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?

Logic on February 17, 2012 at 6:25 AM

“Once again, I’m reminded that it sucks to be a conservative because we have to be the ones to say fun facts like this one: There’s no such thing as a free lunch.”

By which you mean it falls upon the conservatives to be the responsible adults in the room.

joated on February 17, 2012 at 7:15 AM

Liberals are psychotic. I cannot believe they are so willing to throw away their liberties and freedoms.

I do give the Democrats some credit. They seem to have succesfully turned us all away form the economy issue and made it a social issue again. Bravo, well done!

gator70 on February 17, 2012 at 7:55 AM

Democrats, as a solid rule, do NOT live in the real world and appear to have absolutely no understanding of the concept of cause and affect.

A couple of months back I had dinner with a friend, her nephew, her daughter and her daughter’s six month old baby. We got on the subject of the pill. I opined that the pill alone was not enough, a guy needs to use a condom too. There was weak disagreement on this point, but then my friend said, “Well, I was a ‘pill baby’. My mom was on the pill when she got pregnant with me.” Her nephew thought about it and said, “So was I.” Her daughter smiled meekly and raised the baby’s hand. Of the four people at dinner, THREE were pill babies. THAT is the real world.

PorchDawg on February 17, 2012 at 8:53 AM

WASHINGTON–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced today that the Affordable Care Act provided approximately 54 million Americans with at least one new free preventive service in 2011 through their private health insurance plans. Secretary Sebelius also announced that an estimated 32.5 million people with Medicare received at least one free preventive benefit in 2011, including the new Annual Wellness Visit, since the health reform law was enacted.

~

Oh yeah, and one of them is “domestic violence counseling.”

Akzed on February 17, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Logic on February 17, 2012 at 6:25 AM

EXACTLY!!

You don’t increase premiums by 33%, as Obamacare has done, and expect this to have a positive affect on costs of health care. But Obama’s a genius. He KNOWS that the memory of the American people is similar to that of a gnat and will have forgotten the cause of this increase, blaming insurance companies rather than the man who forces this increase on them.

“Mandating that GM equip all cars with solid gold bumpers will lower costs and make these vehicles more affordable and available.” ~ President Obama

Now, would that fly? No. Then why did Obamacare?

PorchDawg on February 17, 2012 at 8:58 AM

I can’t wait until they force all the women to take contraceptives after they give birth to their first and only child allowed by law… wait, has that happened yet??

MrStabone on February 17, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Mark my words, the moment birth control becomes “free” will be the moment that the cost for the pill will go sky-high!

fbcmusicman on February 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM

A couple of months back I had dinner with a friend, her nephew, her daughter and her daughter’s six month old baby. We got on the subject of the pill. I opined that the pill alone was not enough, a guy needs to use a condom too. There was weak disagreement on this point, but then my friend said, “Well, I was a ‘pill baby’. My mom was on the pill when she got pregnant with me.” Her nephew thought about it and said, “So was I.” Her daughter smiled meekly and raised the baby’s hand. Of the four people at dinner, THREE were pill babies. THAT is the real world.

PorchDawg on February 17, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Read this on the thread about how Planned Parenthood works around the clock to hook your kids on sex.

A few years ago, Nancy Alcorn (founder of Mercy Ministries) spoke at our church and shared what a former Planned Parenthood manager had personally told her. The now-repentant former PP manager said that it was PP’s common practice to intentionally give teenage girls the absolute lowest hormone level dosage of birth control pills. They knew that if the teenage girls did not take the pill at the same time of day, every single day, the hormone level in their body would not be sufficient to prevent ovulation. They did not tell the girls that, and PP knew that the overwhelming majority of teenage girls would not be self-disciplined enough to take the pill at the same time of day, every single day. PP knew that most of these girls would continue to ovulate, thinking they weren’t because they were on the pill, and when these girls were sexually active, they would likely conceive.

The now-repentant former PP manager went on to say that it was part of PP’s business model that young girls who were given the pill “for free” would end up coming back to PP for an average of THREE abortions before they reached the age of 21.

Very interesting…..

fbcmusicman on February 17, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I can’t wait until they force all the women to take contraceptives after they give birth to their first and only child allowed by law… wait, has that happened yet??

MrStabone on February 17, 2012 at 11:31 AM

That won’t happen so long as the Democrats can fund illegitimate children with welfare money. A large part of their voting base depends on low-income people breeding like rabbits, existing off the dole, and then paying them back with votes.

MelonCollie on February 17, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Can we talk about he f**king economy? The GOP is determined to give Obama a second term.

My wife and her friends were talking about some contraceptive hearing today and they were really pissed off, this are suburban conservative mums who have voted republican all their life. It is time to move on and talk about Obama’s failures.

celticdefender on February 16, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Ok, so how much liberty do we give up as we cave to Obama for the next year in order to try to win the election?

And we’d better hope we win, or everything we’ll give to Obama for the next year will end up locked in forever.

I’m sorry that our defense of individual and religious freedoms inconveniences you; but I’m not going to give up a ton of freedoms just because you’re a bit put out.

gekkobear on February 17, 2012 at 2:06 PM

… from the same people who in the same breath described a play-or-pay system and told people “If you like your health plan you can keep it.”

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: It is the definition of insanity that I know when Sarah Palin’s water broke but don’t know whether Barack Obama took an Economics class in college.

DrSteve on February 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM