Three new MI polls show Santorum with lead

posted at 8:40 am on February 16, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

National pollsters have already released surveys showing Rick Santorum taking a lead over Mitt Romney in Romney’s native state of Michigan.  Today, three state-based polls concur, showing leads from just under four points to ten points in the key battleground state.  The Detroit News poll shows the tightest margin (via Politico’s Morning Blast e-mail):

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum has a slim lead over Mitt Romney, an indication the Michigan native son has yet to convince state voters he should be the Republican nominee for president, a Detroit News poll shows.

Santorum leads Romney 34 percent to 30.4 percent among likely Republican primary voters, but the gap is within the margin of error of 4.4 percentage points.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich had support from 11.6 percent of respondents, former U.S. Rep. Ron Paul had 8.9 percent and 12.4 percent was undecided.

USA Today reports on the other two polls, which show leads of nine and ten points:

The MRG Michigan Poll shows Santorum, a former U.S.senator from Pennsylvania, with 43% of the support to 33% for native son Mitt Romney, who has long been considered the front-runner in Michigan.

In the MRG poll, former House speaker Newt Gingrichcame in at 11% and Rep. Ron Paul of Texas had 8%. …

Mitchell Research, a polling firm in East Lansing, Mich., also has a new survey out showing Santorum with a 9-point lead over Romney in the Feb. 28 presidential primary in Michigan.

The Mitchell poll was done for MIRS, the Michigan Information & Research Service, and shows Santorum at 34% to Romney’s 25%. Less than two weeks ago, Romney was at 31%, with a 15-point lead over former Gingrich (16%), trailed by Santorum (15%) and Paul (15%).

In the new poll, which has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.6-percentage points, Paul trails Santorum and Romney with 11% and Gingrich is behind them with 5% of the survey respondents.

The MRG poll was conducted among 800 Republican voters, which might be problematic if USA Today means registered Republicans only.  Independents can vote in the GOP primary in Michigan, and the wording implies that the poll was conducted among registered rather than likely Republicans without any independents.  The Mitchell poll, however, surveyed 455 likely voters in the primary, which is a better sample — and one that came up with essentially same result.   The Detroit News poll surveyed 500 likely voters, similar to the Mitchell poll, but with somewhat more divergent results.

Clearly, Santorum has momentum in Michigan, and as Tina noted yesterday, in Arizona too, although he still trails in the latter.  One question that arises is that of timing.  Both of these contests are still almost two weeks away, which is plenty of time for Romney to spend a lot of cash to slow Santorumentum down, and possibly reverse it.   The danger for Santorum is peaking too soon and raising expectations in Michigan before the Super Tuesday contests.  If Santorum ends up losing Michigan after getting leads across the board in all these polls, it will be difficult to regenerate momentum in a single week to take on Romney in ten states.

Santorum’s fundraising has picked up and he’s trying an attack strategy on Romney designed to undercut Romney’s credibility by painting him as a mudslinger, but the effectiveness of that strategy has yet to be tested.  The four candidates return for another debate on February 22nd, and Santorum can expect the hot-seat treatment from Romney and perhaps Gingrich as well, a new role for Santorum in these debates. Romney has already gone after Santorum as a big-government, big-spending Washington insider, but the Weekly Standard defends Santorum on those charges:

The National Taxpayers Union (NTU) has been rating members of Congress for 20 years.  NTU is an independent, non-partisan organization that — per its mission statement — “mobilizes elected officials and the general public on behalf of tax relief and reform, lower and less wasteful spending, individual liberty, and free enterprise.”  Steve Forbes serves on its board of directors.

For each session of Congress, NTU scores each member on an A-to-F scale.  NTU weights members’ votes based on those votes’ perceived effect on both the immediate and future size of the federal budget.  Those who get A’s are among “the strongest supporters of responsible tax and spending policies”; they receive NTU’s “Taxpayers’ Friend Award.”  B’s are “good” scores, C’s are “minimally acceptable” scores, D’s are “poor” scores, and F’s earn their recipients membership in the “Big Spender” category.  There is no grade inflation whatsoever, as we shall see.

NTU’s scoring paints a radically different picture of Santorum’s 12-year tenure in the Senate (1995 through 2006) than one would glean from the rhetoric of the Romney campaign.  Fifty senators served throughout Santorum’s two terms:  25 Republicans, 24 Democrats, and 1 Republican/Independent.  On a 4-point scale (awarding 4 for an A, 3.3 for a B+, 3 for a B, 2.7 for a B-, etc.), those 50 senators’ collective grade point average (GPA) across the 12 years was 1.69 — which amounts to a C-.  Meanwhile, Santorum’s GPA was 3.66 — or an A-.  Santorum’s GPA placed him in the top 10 percent of senators, as he ranked 5th out of 50.

Across the 12 years in question, only 6 of the 50 senators got A’s in more than half the years.  Santorum was one of them.  He was also one of only 7 senators who never got less than a B.  (Jim Talent served only during Santorum’s final four years, but he always got less than a B, earning a B- every year and a GPA of 2.7.)  Moreover, while much of the Republican party lost its fiscal footing after George W. Bush took office — although it would be erroneous to say that the Republicans were nearly as profligate as the Democrats — Santorum was the only senator who got A’s in every year of Bush’s first term.  None of the other 49 senators could match Santorum’s 4.0 GPA over that span.

I’ve been seeing a lot of comments and tweets about Santorum’s supposed profligacy as Senator, but that doesn’t match his record vis-a-vis the NTU scoring.  People have honest differences with Santorum on the emphasis of social issues (although Santorum himself has emphasized his economic plans in this campaign), and I wrote that I have a few disagreements with Santorum’s positions, DADT among them.  He’s not a perfect conservative, to be sure, and questions about how he would stack up against Barack Obama in the general election are legitimate concerns.  However, the alternatives are the person who signed an individual health-care mandate into law in Massachusetts, and the man who both backed individual mandates until 2010 and sat on a couch with Nancy Pelosi to push global-warming alarmism a few years before that, and both of whom also spent three or four weeks sounding more like an Occupier on Bain Capital and Freddie Mac work than a Republican.  Those issues occurred  more recently than any sins committed by Santorum while in the Senate, which is why I’m not buying the idea that Santorum is the big-government candidate about which I should be worried.


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I am beginning to wonder how we are different from the left when our side engages in hero worship just as much as the left does. It is fairly obvious the man wasn’t ready for any type of political office, yet the masses were ready to force it upon him.

eva3071 on March 26, 2013 at 10:43 AM

this or a senate run would be the best thing. It will enable people to get to know Dr. Carson’s ideologies and principles before any time or funds are wasted on a POTUS run.

If he continues pushing the conservative message I’ll be happy to have him on the stage in whatever position he thinks is best for him and his family.

unseen on March 26, 2013 at 10:44 AM

To wit, why are we searching for a savior? The problems we face now are because we didn’t have the will to solve them ourselves, but instead left it up to the elites to solve them. Hence, this is why we now find ourselves dictated to by the many wanna-be dictators.

eva3071 on March 26, 2013 at 10:44 AM

I don’t mind him doing his thing on TV if he has the kind of platform that can reach tens of millions of Americans. Believe me, the conservative movement needs to start using the media to expand their base. Talk radio, blogs, and FoxNews is ok, but it’s not enough.

Doughboy on March 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Well, thank God for small favors. At least he won’t have to start pandering for votes, which is always a good thing.

platypus on March 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM

am beginning to wonder how we are different from the left when our side engages in hero worship just as much as the left does. It is fairly obvious the man wasn’t ready for any type of political office, yet the masses were ready to force it upon him.

eva3071 on March 26, 2013 at 10:43 AM

it has nothing to do with hero worship. It has everthing to do with a thirst for a leader. Conservatives have been leaderless for so long they are like the jews in the desert following Moses who tired of the search thought a golden calf was a good idea.

unseen on March 26, 2013 at 10:47 AM

At least he won’t have to start pandering for votes, which is always a good thing.

platypus on March 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Bad writing. s/b which is never a good thing.

platypus on March 26, 2013 at 10:47 AM

That’s really too bad. The City of Detroit could use someone like him to make it a two-party city again.

cpaulus on March 26, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Talk radio, blogs, and FoxNews is ok, but it’s not enough.

Doughboy on March 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM

the liberals have seen to it that all have been ridiculed so as to stop people from listening, reading or watching.

unseen on March 26, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Let’s say we look for saviors from the currently employed and not those who couldn’t get their old jobs back if they were running against an orange juice can (Mr Levin’s favorite comparison). They’re not going to waltz into the White House.

Got to love this one. The Big Cheese or nothing. But I’ve been around surgeons my entire career and am not surprised.

Marcus on March 26, 2013 at 10:48 AM

thought a golden calf was a good idea.

unseen on March 26, 2013 at 10:47 AM

LoL. I’d settle for a golden calf instead of the invertebrates we have now.

platypus on March 26, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Carson is just fine on the outside.

I blame tools like Sean Hannity who insist on pushing someone like Carson into politics.

How much time in any of his interviews is wasted on this subject when it could be better used to explain his suggestions for improving the healthcare system?

If a Cincinnatus type like Ron Johnson of Wisconsin is motivated enough to actually seek out office, fabulous. But not everyone is cut out for the particular task or interested in the that task. Everyone has his or her strengths, weaknesses, and interests.

BuckeyeSam on March 26, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Doughboy on March 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Yep, exactly. I’d rather see him on TV or other media venue also — we have a whole lot of catching up to do — and we keep playing defense.

PatriotGal2257 on March 26, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Marcus on March 26, 2013 at 10:48 AM

It’s always good to look for saviors from the group that caused all the problems. ///

Hey why don’t we hire the capt of the valdez to command the next oil tanker.

unseen on March 26, 2013 at 10:51 AM

If a Cincinnatus type like Ron Johnson of Wisconsin is motivated enough to actually seek out office, fabulous. But not everyone is cut out for the particular task or interested in the that task. Everyone has his or her strengths, weaknesses, and interests.

BuckeyeSam on March 26, 2013 at 10:49 AM

agreed somewhat. there is a long tradion within America of people calling on great men to serve their country regardless of their wishes. George Washington comes to mind.

unseen on March 26, 2013 at 10:54 AM

LoL. I’d settle for a golden calf instead of the invertebrates we have now.

platypus on March 26, 2013 at 10:48 AM

true. the calf might be a lot better then our present “leaders”

unseen on March 26, 2013 at 10:56 AM

That’s really too bad. The City of Detroit could use someone like him to make it a two-party city again.

cpaulus on March 26, 2013 at 10:47 AM

at this point I don’t think anything or anyone short of GOd can save Detroit.

unseen on March 26, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Good riddance. There are already too many gun grabbers in elected office.

hatecraft on March 26, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Dr. Carson reiterated his special Constitutional 2nd amendment Rights application depends on geography theory recently on Beck’s radio program…

So long and thanks for all the fish Dr. Carson.

workingclass artist on March 26, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Frankly I think Dr. Carson is wise in staying out of politics. If anything, it shows he is indeed a man of character; which is more than I can say for the majority of politicians in office these days.

pilamaye on March 26, 2013 at 10:58 AM

If Dr. Carson is about to retire as a neurosurgeon, he is probably in his mid-60′s. If he then ran for the Senate, and served a 6-year term, he would probably be too old to run for President, although he could probably serve a few terms in the Senate, as shown by the longevity of Senators like Robert Byrd, Strom Thurmond, and Orrin Hatch.

Regarding Dr. Carson’s desire to become a TV commentator, it is unclear whether conservative TV commentators have much influence on the electorate, although they are much better PAID than conservative politicians who serve as Governor, Senator, or Representative. If we consider former Governors like Sarah Palin or Mike Huckabee, who gave up politics for a TV career, did they lose their influence on the electorate while they make more money as TV commentators, preaching to the choir of the already convinced?

And what about former Senator Jim DeMint, who gave up 8 years of seniority in the Senate (and a possible assignment as Chairman or Ranking Member of a key committee) to lead the Heritage Foundation, whose influence is limited, but probably pays DeMint better than the Senate ever did? Are promising conservative politicians being lured away from truly serving their country in government by big money in TV and think tanks?

Steve Z on March 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Not prepared to surrender his principles?

Good for him!

OldEnglish on March 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Odds on him joining the “no-labels” movement next?

rrpjr on March 26, 2013 at 11:08 AM

The problem is that if you are true conservative the last thing you want to do is go around and tell people how they should be running their lives. You tend to think people should be running their own lives without interference from you or anyone else.

Whereas a liberal’s main goal in life is to tell everyone, everywhere, how to live and to MAKE them live that way whether they want to or not. They tend to be hardwired to run for office. Especially since, as far as they are concerned, the ends justify the means and anything goes if it is for the cause.

Lily on March 26, 2013 at 11:08 AM

playing hard to get.

ctmom on March 26, 2013 at 11:11 AM

the liberals have seen to it that all have been ridiculed so as to stop people from listening, reading or watching.

unseen on March 26, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Yep, and this is another problem that needs to be addressed. There needs to be a movement, not centered on a single person, but maybe groups of like-minded conservatives who take this on. Not to “persuade” the LIVs to listen to us rather than the Left, but to actively debunk what the Left is and has been doing and to demonstrate that conservatism works in real life.

Oh, and I would also add a healthy dose of ridicule right back at them, a relentless pounding, just as they do to us. To echo my previous comment, this is where we continually play defense and react to their fallacious characterizations. What is desperately needed is a strategic and targeted war plan to begin to counter and eventually vanquish it, right along with the teaching. IMHO, there is none of this “taking the gloves off and fighting” anywhere, save sometimes Rush, no one that I know of actively planning how to fight this. Yes, it will take time and we have a lot of catching up to do, but what is the alternative? Rolling over and dying? I doubt that is what most, if not all of us, here want.

PatriotGal2257 on March 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM

The problem with the Cinncinatus Analogy is that for every Cinncinatus, there are no shortage of people who would love to take power.

eva3071 on March 26, 2013 at 11:13 AM

It is fairly obvious the man wasn’t ready for any type of political office, yet the masses were ready to force it upon him.

eva3071 on March 26, 2013 at 10:43 AM

All the more reason for him to serve. After all, we can all see what havoc has been caused by those who are ready for political office. As far as I’m concerned, what is required for public office is the ability to stand by your convictions and make common sense judgements. By that standard, there are very few who hold political office who are ready for it.

kbTexan on March 26, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Good for him clarifying where he is at. People project their stuff all over others & he knew he wasn’t their stuff. I don’t know why the right repeatedly defaults to this tendency, but it does. And it makes the right look desperate and superficial. The left is very mission focused and plans years in advance on how to move people into positions of power. Our side seems a little too eager to rubber stamp people as “great” after the first introduction. We had endless debates last year between “great” candidates & still ended up with a loser. I don’t know what this is about on our side, but we need to take our assessment of candidates a little more seriously and not be so eager to grade them excellent after the first introduction or on one single point. Be more thoughtful & skeptical. The press plays a role in this, but it is our job to be skeptical of the liberal & conservative press & know when we are being played.

Charm on March 26, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Who can blame him?

Liberals would tear him apart; it would be Palin/Thomas on steroids.

Another way they control the debate.

blue13326 on March 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM

The problem with politics today is that people like Dr. Carson do not run for office and we are left, far too often, with career politicians who owe their very existence to interest groups and party elites.
Dr. Carson is the type of person the Founders wanted to seek office. Today, sadly, it would be a step down for someone as accomplished and decent as Dr. Carson to become President. We have drifted far from the Founders original intent.

fight like a girl on March 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM

The left is very mission focused and plans years in advance on how to move people into positions of power.

Be more thoughtful & skeptical. The press plays a role in this, but it is our job to be skeptical of the liberal & conservative press & know when we are being played.

Charm on March 26, 2013 at 11:24 AM

This! ^^^^

PatriotGal2257 on March 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM

It’s sad that when people say ‘he isn’t ready to run for office’, they mean he doesn’t tell lies effectively.

blue13326 on March 26, 2013 at 11:31 AM

It’s sad that when people say ‘he isn’t ready to run for office’, they mean he doesn’t tell lies effectively.

blue13326 on March 26, 2013 at 11:31 AM

EXACTLY!

fight like a girl on March 26, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Leadership can be thrust upon someone, but if Dr. Carson’s heart isn’t in the battle, he won’t make an effective leader.

This is however the state of government now, where good people of conscious don’t wish to be involved. The uneven cavity search by the media certainly push people away who 50 years ago would have their hat in the ring.

itsspideyman on March 26, 2013 at 11:39 AM

What normal, decent person would aspire to a career in politics?

Hard to fault Carson for being a normal, decent person at heart.

Anyone who thinks they deserve to be our leader isn’t fit for the job.

Tom Servo on March 26, 2013 at 11:43 AM

I can’t believe how many here are giving him a pass on his extremely idiotic view on the second amendment.

hatecraft on March 26, 2013 at 11:48 AM

the liberals have seen to it that all have been ridiculed so as to stop people from listening, reading or watching.

unseen on March 26, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Yep, and this is another problem that needs to be addressed. There needs to be a movement, not centered on a single person, but maybe groups of like-minded conservatives who take this on. Not to “persuade” the LIVs to listen to us rather than the Left, but to actively debunk what the Left is and has been doing and to demonstrate that conservatism works in real life.

Oh, and I would also add a healthy dose of ridicule right back at them, a relentless pounding, just as they do to us. To echo my previous comment, this is where we continually play defense and react to their fallacious characterizations. What is desperately needed is a strategic and targeted war plan to begin to counter and eventually vanquish it, right along with the teaching. IMHO, there is none of this “taking the gloves off and fighting” anywhere, save sometimes Rush, no one that I know of actively planning how to fight this. Yes, it will take time and we have a lot of catching up to do, but what is the alternative? Rolling over and dying? I doubt that is what most, if not all of us, here want.

PatriotGal2257 on March 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Damn. I wrote a GREAT post about how the talk radio format is in trouble and the page refreshed, losing everything in the process. >.<

But suffice it to say, the talk format is in deep, deep trouble. Aging demographics plus terrible station group owners plus a lack of new, invigorating programming (and some talk product like Hannity who have become so stale, they are now utterly unlistenable) are dooming the format. Station group owners like Cumulus’ Lew Dickey have expressed their disdain for the format, and how much of a money-loser they claim it is. It’s been going on well before Rush got Fluked, but the MSM now has him as a scapegoat.

If you want to root for someone, look at how Glenn Beck is slowly assembling a serious information service built around his Blaze concept. His Internet radio programming just got picked up by SiriusXM, who also signed up for a top-of-the-hour headline service he launched this week. He’s being very aggressive and shrewd about it, but because he’s mostly doing it under the radar now, he’s not being subject to as many daily character assassinations by the MSM as he did while he was with Fox. (Heck, Media Matters prolly still thinks that they destroyed his career.)

I can easily see what Beck is doing. He is working to turn The Blaze into a serious, credible information service that is on par with the MSM. And it just might work.

Myron Falwell on March 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM

I want him available for HHS Secretary in 2017; to help undo the catastrophic damage Obamacare will have done by then.

michaelo on March 26, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Who can blame him?

Liberals would tear him apart; it would be Palin/Thomas on steroids.

Another way they control the debate.

blue13326 on March 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM

With Palin, alleged conservatives were and still are willing to tear her apart right alongside the Socialists deeming her ‘unelectable,’ a ‘quitter’ and the like. At least Thomas had ARLEN SPECTER defending him.

There might have been a unified conservative front defending Carson from attacks, well, had he not revealed his true colors on the second amendment.

Myron Falwell on March 26, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Latest savior of the GOP not interested in running for office

This is the reason we’re stuck with the career politicians we have. Good people don’t want to deal with the scum in the media and opposing party. We the people are too stupid to make up our own minds.

cajunpatriot on March 26, 2013 at 12:06 PM

it has nothing to do with hero worship. It has everthing to do with a thirst for a leader. Conservatives have been leaderless for so long they are like the jews in the desert following Moses who tired of the search thought a golden calf was a good idea.

unseen on March 26, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I have not seen much support for cults of personality or golden calves at this website. (Both are high on image but low on real skill). I think a history of successful management of a large organization would go a long way in engendering support on the right of center political leaners. Romney got the GOP nomination based on his track record as a turn-around manager not because of his conservative views. We do not need magic or a superman, we can do just fine with simple competence.

KW64 on March 26, 2013 at 12:19 PM

I can easily see what Beck is doing. He is working to turn The Blaze into a serious, credible information service that is on par with the MSM. And it just might work.

Myron Falwell on March 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM

I’m praying Beck succeeds because Fox News desperately needs some competition on the right to keep them honest.

slickwillie2001 on March 26, 2013 at 12:25 PM

I have not seen much support for cults of personality or golden calves at this website. (Both are high on image but low on real skill). I think a history of successful management of a large organization would go a long way in engendering support on the right of center political leaners. Romney got the GOP nomination based on his track record as a turn-around manager not because of his conservative views. We do not need magic or a superman, we can do just fine with simple competence.

KW64 on March 26, 2013 at 12:19 PM

As much as Romney was celebrated as this competent business manager, he really sucked when it came to campaigning and message execution. The only reason he did as well as he did was because he got dragged to the finish line by the uninspired rank-and-file.

Just mere competence is not the answer. If anyone bothered to simply explain the fundamentals of conservatism, limited government, and independent thought, that would make him or her a literal rock star in the movement. But no one wants to spread that message, and we wind up with losers like McCant and Romney.

Myron Falwell on March 26, 2013 at 12:31 PM

I don’t mind him doing his thing on TV if he has the kind of platform that can reach tens of millions of Americans. Believe me, the conservative movement needs to start using the media to expand their base. Talk radio, blogs, and FoxNews is ok, but it’s not enough.

Doughboy on March 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM

lol. Americans already know what the wacko right wing is selling. While they continue to reject it in every presidential election, the out of touch right wing continues to blame this rejection on the messenger and not the message. Continue my friends.

HotAirLib on March 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM

GOOD!

I’m beginning to think that nobody can survive being put under the media microscope anymore, but certainly not someone like Carson who has almost zero political savvy.

JannyMae on March 26, 2013 at 12:52 PM

I can easily see what Beck is doing. He is working to turn The Blaze into a serious, credible information service that is on par with the MSM. And it just might work.

Myron Falwell on March 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Glenn Beck is an excellent example. What he’s doing with his various media outlets is terrific, and as you say, enough under the radar that he can work to assemble a powerful media presence without interference.

And he’s obviously spent enough time studying how the Left operates to know their tactics and how to deal with them effectively.

I used to listen to Hannity; now the radio goes off immediately the minute the top-of-the-hour news finishes. He is beyond stale and boring and I can’t stand to listen to him any more.

PatriotGal2257 on March 26, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Well I guess Ed can go back to pining for Pawlenty, then.

Cylor on March 26, 2013 at 2:58 PM