Just what you want to hear: Planned Parenthood works around the clock to hook your kids on sex

posted at 9:35 pm on February 16, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Recently, American Life League came out with a six-minute exposé of Planned Parenthood that was so appalling that I would have had a hard time believing it was true had it not been about Planned Parenthood. The video included clips and images from PP educational materials — cartoons and the like — and the gist of the clips was that teens should learn to pleasure themselves and each other as soon as possible.

At the time, I was so disgusted that I couldn’t bring myself to post it. Now, I wish I had. Because of a copyright claim, YouTube pulled the video. No worries, though: You can read more about its contents here. As the smallest of samplings, here’s a screenshot:

The cartoon in the corner speaks for itself.

The point of the ALL’s video was simple: Planned Parenthood has a vested interest in hooking the next generation on sex. They’re in the abortion business. They depend upon unwanted pregnancies to stay in business. They know no unwanted pregnancy occurs without sex, so they encourage sex — albeit “safe” sex.

Over at BuzzFeed, BigRedH mocks the American Life League for its concern, writing, “Yes, this is both real and terrible. How dare Planned Parenthood try to educate people?” But pamphlets, coloring books, mascots, banners, outrageously-shaped lollipops … These aren’t the hallmarks of education. They’re the hallmarks of marketing. Fortunately for Planned Parenthood, the product they’re marketing is the easiest in the world to sell — and, when teens buy it and then have need of other products (a.k.a. contraceptives, STD testing, abortions), Planned Parenthood cashes in.

It sounds extreme, but, in the end, isn’t that the foundational idea of Planned Parenthood — that customers should be able to have sex without consequences, unless those “consequences” are “planned”?

If it all still sounds like a stretch to you, consider Planned Parenthood’s latest effort to meet teens where they are:

Whether they are texting high school students, lecturing in public schools, or coaxing students to their cringeworthy “Teen Information” website, Planned Parenthood relentlessly tries to appeal to the nation’s youth. Their most recent attempt is the newly-launched “HeyPP!” Twitter account. The page is meant to reach teenagers with sexual health information[.]

Sexual health information like, oh, how to have a conversation with your boyfriend about using a condom, how to know when the time is “right” to have sex or how to know if you’re a “cheater” (hint: it depends on your particular relationship’s rules).

The good news is, teens are unimpressed:

Planned Parenthood’s reputation is fading in popularity as quickly as their choice of words. (Another HeyPP tweet reads, “Sounds like a solid plan!” I’m still watching for the word “groovy.”) Planned Parenthood has been exposed for lyingfailing to report statutory rape, and not only concealing, but aiding in the sex trafficking of minors.

But it isn’t only Planned Parenthood that has a dwindling reputation among teens. Abortion as a whole is becoming increasingly unpopular with our nation’s youth. Unlike generations before, today’s teens are a part of what can be called the “refrigerator generation.” Unborn children are not an abstract “blob of tissue” to us, as we have grown up seeing ultrasound images of our unborn brothers, sisters, and cousins on our refrigerator doors. Combine this with an increase in pro-life activism, and it makes sense that more of our generation reports to be pro-life than pro-choice.

Abortion and Planned Parenthood are losing popularity among youth, and no excessive use of the words “like” and “totally” is going to change that.

It’s irritating — and a little insulting to the intelligence — that the “experts” at Planned Parenthood really think teens need help figuring out how to follow their natural urges.

But what angers me most about Planned Parenthood’s perpetual attempts to perpetuate knowledge about every last perversion that plagues the human race is that it robs marriage and sex of mystery and romance. If everybody’s business is everybody’s business, then nothing is private. How ironic that the “right to privacy” has made public in a huge way what was once between just two people.

Incidentally, what evidence we have still suggests it’s better when people keep it to themselves. Let’s please bring back the conversational taboo; surely sex was more exciting that way.

Update: A kind Twitter follower supplied me with a link to a still-working version of the video. “Enjoy” isn’t exactly the right word, so … be appalled:


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Tell me again why Santorum is a bad candidate?

Ed Snyder on February 17, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Because of a copyright claim leftist garbage being ashamed of who they are, YouTube pulled the video.

Fixed for reality

MNHawk on February 17, 2012 at 7:28 AM

Why are we surprised? For gosh sake, we were publically treated to the spectical of a smiling Joyclyn Elders (wearing her finest admiral suit)demanding that we give the government (Hillary’s village)our children earlier in life so they can learn to masturbate, before parents are able to teach them moral values and right and wrong. She was fired quietly in days for speaking the secret truth out loud.

Now that Obama is in (and the media has openly exposed itself(as anti-God/socialist souls)the soul of the Godless left is unabashedly open – conscience and man’s dignity must be subserviant to the state and sex gods. Alinsky didn’t dedicate the book they all follow, to Lucifer as a joke. They are straight from Hades, and winning. (55% of Connecticut “Catholics”are going to vote for the anti-Church messiah

The left-the Dems-are the party of perversion, unconsequential sex, and the slaughter of unwanted and inconvenient precious humans, a party that has rejected 2000 years of western civilization’s embrace of Judeo-Christian values. The right is right behind them. Right now the west is in full decay for all to see. Civilizational suicide is a frightening thing.

Don L on February 17, 2012 at 7:33 AM

Tell me again why Santorum is a bad candidate?

Ed Snyder on February 17, 2012 at 7:20 AM
============================================

He voted against Right to Work laws
He repeatedly and actively supported the growth of federal spending
In the Congress and Senate he had no distinguishing accomplishments
He could not even get re-elected in his own state
He is constant whiner and complainer a/k/a Mr Sourpuss
He is total and active supporter of earmarks
No one will ever call him the smartest person in the room
He has a weird gay fetish
His positions on privacy are total BIG BROTHER Government in the bedroom– he would never get the libertarian vote
He would not even carry the 43% of the women’s vote McCain got

He does not have a snowball’s chance in hell of defeating Obama which means a Santorum nomination is equivalent to handing Obama 4 more years on a silver platter

Other than that, he is great

georgealbert on February 17, 2012 at 7:50 AM

And yet, “Fiscal Conservatives” are upset that Santorum’s a Christian.

Relative Morality…Priorities.

kingsjester on February 17, 2012 at 7:51 AM

He does not have a snowball’s chance in hell of defeating Obama which means a Santorum nomination is equivalent to handing Obama 4 more years on a silver platter

Other than that, he is great

georgealbert on February 17, 2012 at 7:50 AM

Funny, that’s what a lot of us think of Romney. So, who’s your candidate?

swinia sutki on February 17, 2012 at 8:00 AM

It’s the curvature of spacetime, more or less.
triple on February 17, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Do you enjoy risking total humiliation by making stuff up??
By all means, please explain how, more or less, the “curvature” of “spacetime” holds my feet on the ground.
And we know relativity is solid because otherwise your GPS wouldn’t work.
What in the world does this have to do with the force that holds my feet on the earth???
So maybe next time instead of assuming we don’t know something, google it.
Oh, you found the force that causes gravity by Googling it? Wow, let me alert physicists worldwide. They would love to know that they can simply learn about this mystery by Googling it.
Ok, triple, it’s confirmed. You know very little about science.
blink on February 17, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Evidently Googling is now the new knowing of everything!
No reason to do anything anymore to contribute to knowledge. Instead we are going to Google it!
And when we do that, we KNOW it.
Triple I’m sure, Googled “Is there a God?” and found a militant atheist’s website that said NO!
So you see, triple now ‘knows’ there is no God. Bcs he read it on the Interent, where all the collective human knowledge of the world exists!
I want triple to Google “How to work cows” & then come & show me.

Militant Atheists: We don’t know how we got here either but we f—– hate Christians b/c they think they know.
Dr. Tesla on February 17, 2012 at 12:33 AM

I think this just might be a threadwinner.

How much has religion (in general) discovered about the truths and mysteries of the universe in the last 1000 years?
Now, how much has science discovered about the truths and mysteries of the universe in the last ten?
Just a thought.
triple on February 17, 2012 at 12:34 AM

I just mentioned Mendel. And although he wasn’t investigating peas for the sake of God probably, I’m sure he was a religious man, considering him being a monk & all.
But remember, religion isn’t around to advance science.
It’s around to fill a human NEED.
They CAN co-exist.
One is not necessary to prove the other. But they can work nicely together, unless you’re a bitter old prune who delights in trying to destroy people’s faith by ridicule.

N

ot much, but you don’t even know what is and isn’t science, Mr. Gravity.
We’ve discovered 2,326 candidate extrasolar planets.. from kepler.. which was launched in March 2009.
Not much?
triple on February 17, 2012 at 12:39 AM

What? What kind of drugs are you on? Goggling something makes you an expert on what ‘science’ is?
Do you know how ADHD this statement is?
Of course it isn’t nearly as out of place as your wondering how blink feels about gay people.

So the answer is nothing, collectively? Just checking, because it seemed like you guys were unimpressed with r/Atheism’s $212k.
triple on February 17, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Blink already answered you. Are you blind?

Okay, so just so we’re clear, you guys are openly hostile to modern science.
Yes?
triple on February 17, 2012 at 12:51 AM

No one here has even alluded to that.
Okay, just so we’re clear, you are openly hostile to religion.
Yes?

Science without engineers applying it in practical ways is like a great steak that you can’t eat b/c you don’t have arms.
Dr. Tesla on February 17, 2012 at 12:53 AM

I’m reminded of a T-Rex trying to eat with a fork. LOL!

What you did here is utter trash. That commenter did not use an example of anything close to rape. The example was a woman being jilted by a man. Furthermore, she had no way of knowing about your fiancée and using that to make her look like an insensitive jerk is beyond low.
NukeRidingCowboy on February 17, 2012 at 12:53 AM

Thank you, Sir. I certainly thought so myself. And as a rape victim/survivor, insert additional label here, I would certainly never have done anything like that.

Mr. Gravity, most of us on this thread knew more science 20 years ago than you ever will. Many of us learned science via a proper foundation – unlike you who throws out the first answer Google gives you regardless of how ridiculous it makes you look.
blink on February 17, 2012 at 12:53 AM

But Googling now is the new ‘knowing’!

They are parasitic on the moral codes of others because there is no moral code to be found in atheism. They can be good or evil as chance may have it. A atheistic system is a different thing entirely. It is almost always a horror story. Individual fascists were often very nice folks, but as a system it was brutal.
sharrukin on February 17, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Wonderful point. Triple has already admitted he believes in not a go$$amned thing!

I’m already exhausted. Can’t look for more stupidity on the remaining pages to respond to.

Badger40 on February 17, 2012 at 8:11 AM

Waiting.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Here is a good place to start for you. Research it yourself: I suspect you won’t look or do any research, I suspect you don’t want to find evidence so you can continue promoting sex with/for children. Probably not a parent either.

razorbackchick on February 17, 2012 at 8:27 AM

Now with the rise of planned parenthood kids are going to start being interested in sex.

The horror!!!!

Just learn to put effective website filters on your computers for your kids if you don’t want them to see these specific videos. There’s much worse they could be accessing with the internet. With proper parenting this really isn’t an issue, I’m just more annoyed that they get federal funding.

Kriggly on February 17, 2012 at 8:29 AM

Sociologist Daniel Chirot claims that around 100 million people suffered and at least one million people, and perhaps as many as 20 million, died in China.

sharrukin on February 17, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Your numbers are low. 20-30 million died from starvation from the Great Leap Forward alone. Most estimate the total number of deaths in Mao’s China to be between 70 – 80 million.

Pattosensei on February 17, 2012 at 8:34 AM

I have two scientific degrees from well-known and well-respected university, and I’m hostile to “modern science” which does not follow the scientific model at all but rather focuses on politically-motivated group-think and ostricizes anyone who doesn’t submit to the “consensus”.
Science is not about “consensus”.
Not very long ago, Eugenics was the “consensus”…
ITguy on February 17, 2012 at 1:07 AM

I have found this to be true myself. I juist think of all the instances where the ‘leading’ scientists in a field got together to screw over a guy with a new idea.

And religion is what, blinding yourself from new discovery.. just because your ego can’t take being wrong since you were a kid.
triple on February 17, 2012 at 1:08 AM

You really have some issues. What I see is someone who is in a lot of pain about something.
And you are spending your life lashing out at anyone who is connected in anyway to those you think did you wrong.
Very sad.

And you blindly accepted the teachings of wil wheaton?
blink on February 17, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Why not? He was on a sciency show!
Although I’m still a little confused here.
Triple claims to not believe in a go$$amned thing, and yet espouses the wisdom of a fictional character from a TV show.

Btw, this might be the fault of poor journalism. Poor journalism can be blamed for half your lack of scientific inadequacies. Your tiny IQ can be blamed for the other half.
blink on February 17, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Comedy gold.

My belief that murder is flawed comes from wil wheaton, and his rule to live by: Don’t be a dick.
triple on February 17, 2012 at 1:10 AM
Yet, you have broken this rule over and over again tonight.
jawkneemusic on February 17, 2012 at 2:40 AM

LMAO!

Badger40 on February 17, 2012 at 8:39 AM

With proper parenting this really isn’t an issue, I’m just more annoyed that they get federal funding.

Kriggly on February 17, 2012 at 8:29 AM

The issue IS that they get federal funds to make such trash.

Badger40 on February 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM

This has got to be one of the most pathetic, lazy, and hyperbolic excuses of an “Expose” that I have ever seen in my life. The sheer amount of ignorance displayed in this video is absolutely mind boggling. It seems like something that The Onion would put out rather than an actual organization.

I hate to break it to you, but guess what? Abstinence-only education does not work. It is a failure-there are plenty of studies and statistics to back up my claim. One example being that Texas has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the entire country-and they also have abstinence-only sex education being taught in their public schools.

You honestly expect me to take this video seriously when one of it’s biggest complaints against PP is that their website tells teenagers that they shouldn’t feel bad for being gay?

Or for telling teenagers that there is no reason to be ashamed or embarrassed for deciding to masturbate?

If you want to force your religious bronze-age view of human sexuality onto your children, fine, you do that. But don’t try and force the rest of us to use your outdated and dis-proven methods of dealing with teenage sexuality in our public schools.

If you believe that abstinence-only sex education should be mandatory in every public school in the country, you are just as ignorant as the people who want creationism taught in science classrooms.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM

The whole issue here, as stated above, is that Federal Funds should not be used to fund such things.
The Federal govt has speciallit enumerated powers, with the rest of the nonenumerated powers being left to the individual STATES.

Badger40 on February 17, 2012 at 8:47 AM

And yet, “Fiscal Conservatives” are upset that Santorum’s a Christian.

Relative Morality…Priorities.

kingsjester on February 17, 2012 at 7:51 AM

Actual “fiscal conservatives” would not support Romney. If these guys really want a “fiscal conservative and social moderate” like they claim, Chris Christie would be running for president as the frontrunner right now. They don’t want a fiscal conservative; they want a liberal.

Doomberg on February 17, 2012 at 8:53 AM

But remember, religion isn’t around to advance science.
It’s around to fill a human NEED.

Yeah it feeds the need to remain small minded, fear filled, ignorant and stupid.

Your Mamma loves me on February 17, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Why, this smacks of the same marketing statergy that the govt/libs/dogooders accused Big Tobacco of using to hook people on cigarettes. How dare PP do this. With all the abortions being performed, diseases being passed around, who needs this so called education from the leading killer of babies in the world.

Kissmygrits on February 17, 2012 at 8:54 AM

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM

“Amen” brother and bravo well said.

Your Mamma loves me on February 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Yeah it feeds the need to remain small minded, fear filled, ignorant and stupid.

Your Mamma loves me on February 17, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Another damaged emotional wreck here I see.
I am much like Bishop in my views of religion. And I attach myself to one bcs it fills my spiritual needs.
As a science teacher who is very open minded, I don’t live in fear & I’m not filled with ignorance, no r am I stupid.

If religion has done that to you, that is very unfortunate.
Religion is a tool.
If you use it for ill, you might end up being dissatisfied, like you seem to be.

Badger40 on February 17, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Personally, I think it’s important to realize that the motives behind promoting promiscuous sex in Planned Parenthood are not based entirely in greed (as Tina suggests). More important is the myth of Natural Man which liberals champion. The myth of Natural Man is that in a state of nature, there are no conservative rules, and sex is plentiful. In a state of nature, everyone is spontaneous and therefore they can have sex like innocent rabbits and bunnies with no unintended consequences. Conservatives with their rules, according to liberals, are preventing us from reaching heaven on earth.

In contrast, conservatives support the traditional idea that sex is best accompanied by love and commitment and that that sort of special involvement should be the basis of the nuclear family, which itself is the foundation of a wholesome society. Liberals hate nuclear families because they interfere with what they see as the government’s important parental role. So there is that basic conflict of liberal mythology versus the conservative perspective which has nothing to do with money and more to do with values and vision.

Burke on February 17, 2012 at 9:01 AM

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM

“Amen” brother and bravo well said.

Your Mamma loves me on February 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM

I think you two should get together with triple.
You seem to have a lot in common.

Badger40 on February 17, 2012 at 9:01 AM

With proper parenting this really isn’t an issue, I’m just more annoyed that they get federal funding.

Kriggly on February 17, 2012 at 8:29 AM

Sweet Mary, mother of God…

THAT’S THE ENTIRE POINT of all of this crap. No federal funding. They can do whatever they want, I have no issue with that.

It’s ALL about federal funding.

If our moronic GOPers could stop arguing about the evils of contraception and the immorality of the wheelbarrow position, and spend their time saying a few simple words, “The Federal Gov’t should not be paying for _____” then we’d all be better off.

Spliff Menendez on February 17, 2012 at 9:07 AM

You honestly expect me to take this video seriously when one of it’s biggest complaints against PP is that their website tells teenagers that they shouldn’t feel bad for being gay?

Or for telling teenagers that there is no reason to be ashamed or embarrassed for deciding to masturbate?

If you want to force your religious bronze-age view of human sexuality onto your children, fine, you do that. But don’t try and force the rest of us to use your outdated and dis-proven methods of dealing with teenage sexuality in our public schools.

If you believe that abstinence-only sex education should be mandatory in every public school in the country, you are just as ignorant as the people who want creationism taught in science classrooms.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM

That’s all fine and dandy.

Now you explain to me why I should be taxed so that Planned Parenthood can be given my hard-earned money. I’ll wait.

Spliff Menendez on February 17, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Oh, and “sex education” has no part in public schools, so there’s that.

Spliff Menendez on February 17, 2012 at 9:10 AM

That’s all fine and dandy.

Now you explain to me why I should be taxed so that Planned Parenthood can be given my hard-earned money. I’ll wait.

I completely agree-Planned Parenthood shouldn’t be given any tax money. The whole Susan G. Komen incident shows that PP would be just fine surviving on private donations.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 9:12 AM

If our moronic GOPers could stop arguing about the evils of contraception and the immorality of the wheelbarrow position, and spend their time saying a few simple words, “The Federal Gov’t should not be paying for _____” then we’d all be better off.

Spliff Menendez on February 17, 2012 at 9:07 AM

The Democrats are the ones who keep bringing it up, not the GOP, with the exception of Romney supporters trying to embarrass Santorum.

Doomberg on February 17, 2012 at 9:13 AM

For just about every other pleasure in life… probably every other pleasure there is… the libs demand regulation, control and stigmatization if you don’t comply with their views!
Take eating for instance! They want to control and regulate the food we eat! Take away our choices, attack the food industry, inspect children’s school lunch boxes and even stigmatize children who are overweight!

According to the libs.. we talk too much on our cell phones, we play too many video games, we watch too much TV and our sports are too violent. We drive the wrong cars and we build the wrong kinds of houses and we drink too much alcohol.
Everything we do is wrong and needs to be regulated and controlled….. except sex. When it comes to sex no limits allowed! In fact… even discussing limitations at all is mocked and ridiculed! Admitting you are a virgin or stating you want to wait until marriage is just a big joke! Yeah… you’re viewed as an ignorant backwards Neanderthal… out of touch and possibly a threat to the nation and humanity itself.

Saying something like “if women just kept their legs closed and guys kept their zippers up” is met with shock and disgust by the media and liberal left! But no problems at all with taking away salt in restaurants, forcing our troops to eat salads and stealing a child’s lunch made because it doesn’t meet their definition of “good!” No.. that’s not extreme at all! That’s just “common sense” from the libs!

You know what.. Santorum should have just said point blank that yeah… I think more teenage boys should keep their pants on and more girls should say no and not be mocked for that decision by the left or by the media! Abstinence works! It is the best form of birth control there is! The people will understand that even if the media doesn’t!

JellyToast on February 17, 2012 at 9:17 AM

If you want to force your religious bronze-age view of human sexuality onto your children, fine, you do that. But don’t try and force the rest of us to use your outdated and dis-proven methods of dealing with teenage sexuality in our public schools.
theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM

No problem as long as you don’t force your perverted fisting GAY is OK group sex curriculum on the whole school either. The militant gay agenda does not belong in schools.

Schools trying to normalize abnormal behavior is wrong wrong wrong.

Robert Jensen on February 17, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Go Penis! Go Penis! Go Penis!

Seriously, ALL makes a good point. An adult would be jailed for showing 10-year-olds the smut that Planned Parenthood peddles as educational material (funded by taxpayer dollars).

This is an evil organization which should be driven out of business not matter what feminists claim about the necessity of PP being around to kill off those 330K children each year.

Happy Nomad on February 17, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Awesome vidio!

The guys right, if some dirty old lefty was showing the same pictures to kids in a park he would be arrested, but maybe defended by our current DOJ.

As with edumacators who procure abortions for underage girls, I see no problem dragging these vermin into the streets and giving them the old ” Nigerian nEcklace ”

lefty / commies always liked to cry sovereignty with regards to issues say, Iraq during Ws term

but when it comes to your family, eff you.

Nigerian necklace

Sonosam on February 17, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Your Mamma loves me on February 17, 2012 at 8:53 AM

You have a lot in common with Karl Marx.

kingsjester on February 17, 2012 at 9:24 AM

No problem as long as you don’t force your perverted fisting GAY is OK group sex curriculum on the whole school either. The militant gay agenda does not belong in schools.

Schools trying to normalize abnormal behavior is wrong wrong wrong.

If you don’t want your teenagers exposed to the idea that other teenagers happen to be gay and that being gay is not something to be ashamed of, then put them in a private religious school. I could care less what your religion says about gay people and what you personally think about gay people. School is supposed to be a safe environment where teens don’t feel like they are under constant threat of being bullied and harassed. Keep your ignorance to yourself.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Now I would like you to cite one example of something that has a scientific explanation but where the religious explanation is a better one. Go.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Ok I am not gonna waste time but I showed yesterday Alexander Tsiara’s YouTube video “From Conception To Birth” wonderful book and video and he covers the scientific part with the marvel of how everything works together to produce a BABY.

He is one of the smartest man I have ever heard speak.

ProudPalinFan on February 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM

whether you like it or not

homosexuality is an anomoly

if civilization rested on homos there would be none

waiting for the TY to heteros for creating you

Sonosam on February 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM

I find it enlightening that the man in the cartoon is a penis with arms and legs, and the woman is a walking vagina. That seems like a very “progressive” view of humanity and the many facets of our individual values and personalities, and not the least bit objectifying or demeaning.

BlueCollarAstronaut on February 17, 2012 at 9:33 AM

I suggest anyone interested in the evolution debate go to YouTube and search for ‘Expelled’. The entire film is online.
At least it gives y’all an idea of the battle that rages, and the atheists views are very interesting, to say the least.

pambi on February 17, 2012 at 1:52 AM

1) “Expelled” is an excellent movie. And when it came out, the post that Ed Morrissey wrote about it generated a then-record number of comments. I know that multiple HotAir new user registrations since then have greatly increased the number of commenters and comment count, but 2300+ comments four years ago was a big deal. To say that the battle rages is an understatement. If there truly were “consensus”, then why does the battle rage? It’s only in environments where dissent is silenced that there isn’t any real debate. But silencing dissent is not “science”.

2) If one defines fascism as “a radical authoritarian political ideology”, a strong case can be made that the “leaders” of the “scientific” community today are fascists. Dissent is not tolerated.

2a) Dissent from the radical authoritarian political ideology of macro evolution is not tolerated. For the record, there is plenty of evidence of natural selection, also called micro evolution, where certain aspects of a gene pool are less favorable in an environment, and may lose/die out, resulting in a LOSS of genetic information. But there is no scientific evidence of “macro evolution”, where one can conclusively prove that NEW genetic information was created through mutations and survived to passed on to future generations. The concept of the second law of thermodynamics has parallels in the world of genetics. Over time, we have moved from more order and more information, to less order and less information. But dissent from the radical authoritarian political ideology of macro evolution is not tolerated. Any suggestion or discussion of Intelligent Design is not tolerated. Dissent must be silenced.

2b) Dissent from the radical authoritarian political ideology of Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is not tolerated. Dissent must be silenced.

ITguy on February 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM

whether you like it or not

homosexuality is an anomoly

if civilization rested on homos there would be none

waiting for the TY to heteros for creating you

Actually, you are wrong. Your religion says that homosexuality is an “anomoly”. And, since I am not apart of your religion, I don’t believe that homosexuality is a sin, or unnatural, or perverted, or wrong in any way.

By the way, I find it amusing that you assume I myself am gay, because I actually am not.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 9:25 AM

I was hetero(still am) but in school I was bullied because I was different…odd. My son also gets it because he’s tall and nerdy.
I tell my son to ‘suck it up-Princess!’-because no one likes a victim.
The homosexual kids would do themselves and everyone else a favor if they did likewise.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 17, 2012 at 9:42 AM

If you want to force your religious bronze-age view of human sexuality onto your children, fine, you do that. But don’t try and force the rest of us to use your outdated and dis-proven methods of dealing with teenage sexuality in our public schools.
theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Right.. have as much sex as you want with whoever or whatever you want anytime you want anyplace you want with no consequences except to the baby you produce. We’ll just kill the baby.

But that cheeseburger you want, well.. you’re extreme and it’s people like you who are destroying our healthcare in America! Yeah.. you like bacon with your salt and it’s people like you who are making the rest of us pay higher and higher healthcare costs! We’ve got to control you and take those choices away! But sex.. go for it! There’s never a negative dark side to free sex anywhere or anytime or with anyone or in any fashion! Heck no! Why free sex never destroys marriages, or lives or causes any harm to anyone! Sexually transmitted diseases? Have all the sex you want anyway! Just wear a condom if you have it!

Heart disease and obesity? Don’t you dare eat that pizza! You are all that’s wrong with America! You need to be controlled! Those choices have got to be taken away from you!

JellyToast on February 17, 2012 at 9:43 AM

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM

And your Religion (atheism), a very small (8%) minority of Americans, seems to believe in relative morality (at least the majorty of the ones who show their backsides on Hot Air, such as yourself) semm to.

By the way, having graduated all the way back in 1976, in the heart of the Bible Belt, I knew several homosexual students. nobody made a big deal out of it, they were not picked on, and they were just other students to us.

Get off of it.

kingsjester on February 17, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Now I would like you to cite one example of something that has a scientific explanation but where the religious explanation is a better one. Go.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Please give me your scientific explanation for why Y-chromosomal Adam is younger than Mitochondrial Eve.

I have a Biblical explanation that makes perfect sense.

ITguy on February 17, 2012 at 9:46 AM

If you want to force your religious bronze-age view of human sexuality onto your children, fine, you do that. But don’t try and force the rest of us to use your outdated and dis-proven methods of dealing with teenage sexuality in our public schools.
theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM

And as for dis-proven.. it doesn’t take a genius to see how the sexual revolution has destroyed our culture. There’s is plenty of evidence over the last 50 years proving how disastrous the so called sexual revolution has been to America.
It hasn’t been a sexual revolution. It has been a sexual holocaust. We just don’t see the bodies because they are thrown into buckets and taken out the back door and burned like trash in incinerators.

JellyToast on February 17, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Actually, you are wrong. Your religion says that homosexuality is an “anomoly”. And, since I am not apart of your religion, I don’t believe that homosexuality is a sin, or unnatural, or perverted, or wrong in any way.
By the way, I find it amusing that you assume I myself am gay, because I actually am not.
theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM

It’s not a sin to me and I’m not religious though I do favor Christianity since I feel that we owe most of what we have to it and I firmly believe it’s the last voting block that has a clue to what liberty is

did you watch that video?

Was it the least bit repulsive to you

Sonosam on February 17, 2012 at 9:56 AM

And as for dis-proven.. it doesn’t take a genius to see how the sexual revolution has destroyed our culture. There’s is plenty of evidence over the last 50 years proving how disastrous the so called sexual revolution has been to America.

Destroyed our culture? That’s odd. I could have sworn that, in the past few decades, statistics have shown that the rate of teen pregnancy has gone down, the rate of teenagers who engage in safe sex has gone up, and the transmission of several STD’s has gone down. Or do you mean “destroyed” as in less people view sex from a shameful religious viewpoint?

It hasn’t been a sexual revolution. It has been a sexual holocaust. We just don’t see the bodies because they are thrown into buckets and taken out the back door and burned like trash in incinerators.

You do realize that if you actually encouraged teenagers to use and have access to condoms and birth control, and weren’t against through non-abstinence sex education in public schools, that there would be less accidental, non-wanted pregnancies, which would lead to less abortions.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Late to the party here . . .

We have ad hominems galore by the PP apologists along with fallacies of changing the subject (you are against sex! please), and the ironies of pushing the intellectually lightweight arguments of the new atheism.

Defend the outrage of the amateuristic cartoon neo-paganism of PP propaganda. Let’s have one PP apologist stick to the subject. One outrage is enough to the condemn and ridicule PP in their totality (and they are guilty of countless outrages). The “good” you do will not outweigh the evil. You do even see that this is not anything new. Fertility religions have been pushing phallus worship for thousands of years. PP is not artful in doing so; they are marketing hucksters. Please defend this cartoon without changing the subject.

mwbri on February 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

If you can stand to do it, look at Planned Parenthood’s web site and see what they’re tempting kids to do. What youngster wouldn’t love to have adults tell them that any sexual activity they want to try is good, normal and healthy?

The most insidious thing, perhaps, that PP gets across to kids is that they (the kids) can (and should) do whatever seems right to them. Hey, kids, parents are great, but you have the right to do whatever you think your body is ready for!!!! Go for it!!!

In addition, there are Q&As and other segments in which young girls ask about things they’re doing with their boyfriends. PP tells the girls everything — except that the guy is committing statutory rape and should be reported to the cops (and her parents).

The American Life League’s site http://www.stopp.org (as in Stop Planned Parenthood) has more information.

KyMouse on February 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Other than that, he is great

georgealbert on February 17, 2012 at 7:50 AM

Another Gabe Malor/Madison “Conservative” voter representing the squeals of (maybe) 2 million voters–max–who won’t vote for someone who denies their rights to have anonymous sex in public restrooms.

Thank you for playing. Buh-bye.

Ed Snyder on February 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM

mwbri on February 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

wouldn’t be suprised if ” hustler ” produced that vid in some way

it was purile and rank and if you showed that to a child you should be on the sex offender data sheet

it’s a shame some children grow up in seedy surroundings and could use guidance, but this ain’t it

On top of the fact our pervert commies feel then that their solution not only must cover thetragic child, but the healthy too

family sovereignty be damned

Sonosam on February 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Sonosam on February 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Yep, if you don’t the cover of PP, you could be thrown in jail for showing something like this to kids.

mwbri on February 17, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Tina dear, I’ve been trying to get anyone to listen about this for years. All anyone has to do is visit their Teenwire to see how disgusting and subversive this organization is. Glad you’re taking them on.

Speechlesstx on February 17, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Yeah it feeds the need to remain small minded, fear filled, ignorant and stupid.

Your Mamma loves me on February 17, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Ironic that you jst described “triple” perfectly.

This is one heckuva thread to wade through.

To oddmanout. Just because you have no morals, that doesn’t mean your philosophy of no morals should be promoted by our government, through our tax dollars.

JannyMae on February 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Pssst, defenders of unabashed sexual freedom…don’t tell anyone but it is the major goal of the Communist party to take over the nation by destroying the family,parenting is the village, the entertainment industry, the culture, to infiltrate the Churches, to turn them onto a “social justice by Caesar” path and away from salvation and all that sin stuff.

They know who their enemy is – God. Why do you think every thing they support flies in His face? Why do you think Obama is attacking Christion conscience?
so far , after watching gazillions of comments from the fiscal and libertarian right -they’ve already won.

Don L on February 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM

The baffling thing about these kinds of threads is that folks who can think for themselves can’t come to grips with the idea that folks who can’t think for themselves want to force everyone to have their thoughts thought for ‘em, if you take my meaning.

Progressives see the need for big brother everywhere. Can’t think, can’t teach their children how to think, need someone from the government to tell them what to think.

WeekendAtBernankes on February 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM

To oddmanout. Just because you have no morals, that doesn’t mean your philosophy of no morals should be promoted by our government, through our tax dollars.

So, because I do not belong to the Christian faith, and I don’t believe that gay people are twisted deviant freaks of nature, I suddenly have no morals?

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:21 AM

So, because I do not belong to the Christian faith, and I don’t believe that gay people are twisted deviant freaks of nature, I suddenly have no morals?

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:21 AM

All other posters can go by is how you present yourself on a thread.

kingsjester on February 17, 2012 at 10:25 AM

What is the basis for your morals?

I base my morals off of the golden rule-don’t do to others what you wouldn’t like done to yourself.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Destroyed our culture? That’s odd. I could have sworn that, in the past few decades, statistics have shown that the rate of teen pregnancy has gone down, the rate of teenagers who engage in safe sex has gone up, and the transmission of several STD’s has gone down. Or do you mean “destroyed” as in less people view sex from a shameful religious viewpoint?

The past few decades? Yeah.. that’s like saying our unemployment is down to 8% from 10% now and we should be happy… forgetting it was like 3 or 4% under Bush. How nice. Also.. teens are, I guess, have less intercourse if you believe some statistics, but are still having sex. I realize sex has been redefined to not include oral sex, thanks to Bill Clinton.

you do realize that if you actually encouraged teenagers to use and have access to condoms and birth control, and weren’t against through non-abstinence sex education in public schools, that there would be less accidental, non-wanted pregnancies, which would lead to less abortions.

You make it sound like the only negative of teen sex, or any sex, is disease. How about broken hearts and ruined lives, date rapes, pedophiles or teen suicides to just list a few. And lower abortions? By what number? We’re killing over a million babies every year in America. Once an abortion has been done, you can’t take it back! How about even the link to breast cancer that abortion causes! For the love of God… let some so called scientist in his basement send out a memo stating he thinks that maybe there might be sort of a link to brain cancer and our cell phones and the media reports it like fact and congress is ready to look into regulations and lawyers are ready for lawsuits but a link to breast cancer from abortion? We’ll sweep that under the rug. Can’t be true if it puts killing babies into a negative light!

Just for the record…. Christianity does not look at sex as a sin! You have implied that in your comments. Christianity glorifies sex! It was created by God for both our pleasure and our survival! Mankind didn’t make sex! God did! But He did set limits! Just like libs do for every other aspect of our lives! Whether it’s eating or throwing a football on a beach! Libs love to control our lives down to the tiniest details but let some Christian say we ought to have a few limits to sex, that maybe sex should be best left to marriage and we are met with shrieks of horror!

Christians view sex as something special and sacred that should be protected and encouraged in marriage! Liberals view it as something dirty and common… no more different that spiting in a mud puddle or an itch in your crotch! Scratch it like you would any other bug bite or infected hair and you wonder why and how we have arrived at the place we have! Teen suicides, sexual predators, date rapes and disease and abortions! It’s not the church that has caused that! It is a the sexual holocaust pushed by the left!

JellyToast on February 17, 2012 at 10:35 AM

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

You call Christians “stupid”, and, yet, you embrace a passage from “the words in Red”.

kingsjester on February 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Let me get this straight: This stuff is supposed to make sex more attractive?

Seth Halpern on February 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM

I base my morals off of the golden rule-don’t do to others what you wouldn’t like done to yourself.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Except that’s not the Golden Rule. Close, but no cigar. And the difference is an important one.

ITguy on February 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM

By the way, that’s Luke 6:31.

kingsjester on February 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM

STDs, overall, are on the rise again.

Why look at the rates of Gonorrhea infection over time. First there is the WWII cases (soldiers) then it drops in the 50′s. The sexual revolution causes an insane spike that just began to taper off in the late 90s. It is on the rise again as well. Syphilis has a similar projection, and is on the rise among men.

The whole report is enlightening. Especially these statements:

While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain STDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.

Must be that sex education preventing that from being more than half, eh?

The rate of P&S syphilis among men has risen 54 percent over the past five years (from 3.7 per 100,000 in 2002 to 5.7 per 100,000 in 2006), driving overall increases in syphilis rates for the nation. Several sources of data suggest that increased transmission of P&S syphilis among MSM may be largely responsible for these increases. Over time, the disparity between male and female case rates has grown considerably. The P&S syphilis rate among males is now nearly six times the rate among females, whereas the rates were almost equivalent a decade ago.

Interesting…

The good news is that awareness of the dangers of disease have helped decrease cases of most STDs among adults. The bad news is the generation of children that has been exposed to sex-education is driving an overall increase.

STD awareness education is fine. Nobody is going to argue against that. What we don’t want is SEX education, where kids are told how to have sex, how great it is, and that any sex is safe so long as there is a thin layer of latex surrounding the male genitalia. I already reported several pages back how this is a fallacy.

Pattosensei on February 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Tell me again why Santorum is a bad candidate?

Ed Snyder on February 17, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Bravo! We need to start pushing back and not allowing those of us with some moral and religious convictions to be ridiculed and labeled as extremists because we don’t want to end up as some kind of decadent pagan Roman society. Ok, melodramatic but we are being bulldozed into accepting all kinds of sexual deviant behavior as the norm. And now they’re aiming at children. Sean Hannity said it best when he described it as a coarsening of our society when children can’t have innocence anymore. And I agree with a previous poster about the sanctity, beauty, and mystery of marriage disappearing. I always believed that abstinence and chastity aren’t bad things. The best form of birth control in my book, and cheap, too!

mozalf on February 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Oh, my post above was in response to this:

I could have sworn that, in the past few decades, statistics have shown that the rate of teen pregnancy has gone down, the rate of teenagers who engage in safe sex has gone up, and the transmission of several STD’s has gone down.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Pattosensei on February 17, 2012 at 10:44 AM

OK, but you don’t mind if I don’t follow the golden rule, right? You’re ok with the rest of society benefiting from your good will, but not reciprocating, right?

You don’t mind if I harm others or harm you because that’s not a violation of your adherence to the golden rule, right?

There is no such thing as objective morality-it does not exist, period. All morality is subjective, and varies from culture to culture, and from person to person.

Even people who belong to the same religion do not agree to the same view of morality. There are some Christians who believe that hell is actually right now on Earth-and that when everyone dies, they go to heaven. There are denominations of Christianity that believe homosexuality is not a sin, that that God created gay people and they should be celebrated and not condemned.

For example, if you believe that murder is wrong, and that morality is objective, then you must believe that all murder is wrong-no matter what. Meaning that, if you believe that morality is objective, and you celebrated the death of Osama Bin Laden, then you are a hypocrite. It is that simple.

Christianity is not the end all, be all to morality, no matter what you’d like to think. Our species adhered to certain moral codes thousands of years before Christianity even existed-and we shall continue to do so thousands of years after Christianity fades away.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Again, I will put the challenge out there again: Please, let’s have one PP apologist defend their cartoon without changing the subject.

My post from earlier is below:

We have ad hominems galore by the PP apologists along with fallacies of changing the subject (you are against sex! please), and the ironies of pushing the intellectually lightweight arguments of the new atheism.

Defend the outrage of the amateuristic cartoon neo-paganism of PP propaganda. Let’s have one PP apologist stick to the subject. One outrage is enough to the condemn and ridicule PP in their totality (and they are guilty of countless outrages). The “good” you do will not outweigh the evil. You do even see that this is not anything new. Fertility religions have been pushing phallus worship for thousands of years. PP is not artful in doing so; they are marketing hucksters. Please defend this cartoon without changing the subject.

Do not think any of the apologists can stick to the subject without bloviating about the dangers of religion or bantering an ironic complaint about forcing one’s morality upon another.

mwbri on February 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

I base my morals off of the golden rule-don’t do to others what you wouldn’t like done to yourself.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

ROFLMAO!!!!

Matthew 7:12, Therefore all things whatever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Roy Rogers on February 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

…dissent is silenced…
…silencing dissent…
…Dissent is not tolerated…
…Dissent from…is not tolerated…
…Dissent must be silenced…
Dissent must be silenced

ITguy on February 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Speech like this was never silenced during Bush’s Terms in office.

As much as I hated the guy for going after bad policies… he at least tolerated dissent.

The lack of tolerance now leads me to believe that calls like this will soon follow from the left.

Chaz706 on February 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Why does Obama look like a jug eared dique head?

Roy Rogers on February 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Roy Rogers on February 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

The idea of the golden rule long predates Christianity.

It is common sense, it doesn’t require belief in celestial prime movers.

Pablo Honey on February 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

So, because I do not belong to the Christian faith, and I don’t believe that gay people are twisted deviant freaks of nature, I suddenly have no morals?

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:21 AM

I made no such statements. You might want to consider why you think these are my beliefs about you.

Destroyed our culture? That’s odd. I could have sworn that, in the past few decades, statistics have shown that the rate of teen pregnancy has gone down, the rate of teenagers who engage in safe sex has gone up, and the transmission of several STD’s has gone down. Or do you mean “destroyed” as in less people view sex from a shameful religious viewpoint?

You are irresponsible in promoting the idea that kids can have “safe sex.” Even the CDC admits that condom use is not effective enough to label their use “safe.” Condom use makes sex “less risky.”

So, there should be absolutely no restraints on kids, when it comes to sex? They should have all the sex they want, without any “shame” whatsoever? Tell me, at what age should this philosophy begin to be promoted? 18? 16? 13? 10? I mean, after all, all humans are sexual beings. Why don’t we just go all the way back to the day after we’re born? Right?

JannyMae on February 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

For example, if you believe that murder is wrong, and that morality is objective, then you must believe that all murder is wrong-no matter what. Meaning that, if you believe that morality is objective, and you celebrated the death of Osama Bin Laden, then you are a hypocrite. It is that simple.

But, since Osama bin Laden was an admitted murderer, it would be a perfectly logical point to apply his own morality to him, and it is “hypocritical” for him and his defenders like you to oppose his own murder.

Alinsky Boys like yourself play these little games to try to get people to tie their own hands. The answer is simple; if you value life, you will do what needs to be done to stop a murderer. You claim to value life, yet you support and endorse the actions of murderers like Osama bin Laden and Planned Parenthood.

Furthermore, consider your own morality: you protect the life of those who murder others, but you murder those who have never had the chance to kill anyone.

northdallasthirty on February 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

While we’re checking sources, do you have sources for God existing?

triple on February 16, 2012 at 9:51 PM

That’s awesome.

sob0728 on February 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

By the way, just to address everyone who is claiming that I am a hypocrite because the golden rule came from the bible, you are all wrong. The golden rule did not originate from the bible or Christianity whatsoever. Here, allow me to help you correct your mistake:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule#Ancient_Babylon

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Meaning that, if you believe that morality is objective, and you celebrated the death of Osama Bin Laden, then you are a hypocrite. It is that simple.

Christianity is not the end all, be all to morality, no matter what you’d like to think. Our species adhered to certain moral codes thousands of years before Christianity even existed-and we shall continue to do so thousands of years after Christianity fades away.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

So, a Christian cannot be satisfied when a mass murderer receives justice?

As far as your pronouncement concerning Christianity, you don’t have a clue.

kingsjester on February 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

The idea of the golden rule long predates Christianity.

It is common sense, it doesn’t require belief in celestial prime movers.

Pablo Honey on February 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

What’s the earliest known reference to this “Golden Rule”?

darwin on February 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule#Ancient_Babylon

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Wikipedia?

No bias there. RFLOL.

kingsjester on February 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Thank you for clarifying who/what I am dealing with.

Have a nice day!

JannyMae on February 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

So, because I do not belong to the Christian faith, and I don’t believe that gay people are twisted deviant freaks of nature, I suddenly have no morals?

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Perhaps we need a reminder of what so-called “enlightened” individuals like theoddmanout consider to be “homophobic”.

If you are against gays and lesbians being left free to molest children, you are homophobic.

If you are against gays and lesbians dressing toddlers as slaves and taking them to a sex fair to “show off” and perform for adults, you are homophobic.

If you believe gays and lesbians who sexually harass their coworkers should be subject to the same penalties, including firing, as their heterosexual coworkers would be, you are homophobic.

Are we clear on that now?

northdallasthirty on February 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

No, it’s not. The pursuit of self-interest is common sense.

blink on February 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Pretty much.

I wonder if the “Golden Rule” applies to abortion.

darwin on February 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

I hate to break it to you, but guess what? Abstinence-only education does not work. It is a failure-there are plenty of studies and statistics to back up my claim. One example being that Texas has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the entire country-and they also have abstinence-only sex education being taught in their public schools.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Funny, I went to school in Texas. Sex Ed was a must, and I don’t remember any abstinence classes I had to take.
Teen pregnancy has nothing to do with religion. It falls on society in general, with a huge dose of bad parenting/no parenting.

Garym on February 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

There is no such thing as objective morality-it does not exist, period. All morality is subjective, and varies from culture to culture, and from person to person…

For example, if you believe that murder is wrong, and that morality is objective, then you must believe that all murder is wrong-no matter what. Meaning that, if you believe that morality is objective, and you celebrated the death of Osama Bin Laden, then you are a hypocrite. It is that simple.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

You don’t know the difference between killing and murder?

Seriously, I challenge you to find the culture in which a man killing his 10-year old son and then eating him is considered normal.

Your moral relativism doesn’t stand up to reality.

Pattosensei on February 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

There is no such thing as objective morality-it does not exist, period. All morality is subjective, and varies from culture to culture, and from person to person.

Even people who belong to the same religion do not agree to the same view of morality. There are some Christians who believe that hell is actually right now on Earth-and that when everyone dies, they go to heaven. There are denominations of Christianity that believe homosexuality is not a sin, that that God created gay people and they should be celebrated and not condemned.

For example, if you believe that murder is wrong, and that morality is objective, then you must believe that all murder is wrong-no matter what. Meaning that, if you believe that morality is objective, and you celebrated the death of Osama Bin Laden, then you are a hypocrite. It is that simple.

Christianity is not the end all, be all to morality, no matter what you’d like to think. Our species adhered to certain moral codes thousands of years before Christianity even existed-and we shall continue to do so thousands of years after Christianity fades away.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

And there it is. The Holocaust is no problem, in the right culture. Stalin would be a great guy, in the right culture. You’ve totally disarmed yourself. You can’t speak to any moral issue outside yourself. You can’t even speak coherently about evil.

At least you’re honest.

Nom de Boom on February 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

By the way, just to address everyone who is claiming that I am a hypocrite because the golden rule came from the bible, you are all wrong. The golden rule did not originate from the bible or Christianity whatsoever. Here, allow me to help you correct your mistake:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule#Ancient_Babylon

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

From your source:

The Golden Rule also has roots in the two old testament edicts, found in Leviticus 19:18 (“Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself”; see also Great Commandment) and Leviticus 19:34 (“But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God”).

Your ignorance of the Bible and of antiquity is becoming glaringly obvious.

Or perhaps we shouldn’t say ignorance; more like an unwillingness to consider or even look at religious and other sources, which would be sheer bigotry.

That’s more likely. You are an antireligious bigot.

northdallasthirty on February 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Come on, Planned Parenthood apologists!

What is your defense of the “educational” cartoon itself without becoming moralistic about us being moralistic?

What is your defense of the “educational” cartoon itself without waxing “eloquent” on your version of metaphysical reality while complaining about others’ versions of metaphysical reality?

You cannot defend the cartoon! Defend that outage presented by Planned Parent!

mwbri on February 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Seriously, I challenge you to find the culture in which a man killing his 10-year old son and then eating him is considered normal.

Your moral relativism doesn’t stand up to reality.

Pattosensei on February 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Modern liberalism. After all, fathers and their HIV-positive sex partners have sex with children that young all the time, and you don’t hear liberals like theoddmanout screaming or demanding that the gay and lesbian community repudiate such behavior; indeed, gay and lesbian community leaders regularly state that adults having sex with children is “common” and normal to gays and lesbians.

northdallasthirty on February 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM

While we’re checking sources, do you have sources for God existing?

triple on February 16, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Yep. Look at the creation. It proves there is a Creator, we just don’t want to accept that. Of course we use the same rule in every other aspect of our lives but we change that rule when it comes to God.

If you see a lunch made you know there was a lunch maker. If you see a computer you know there was a computer maker. If you see a baby, you know there were two baby makers. Heck, for that matter, if you see a ditch dug we know someone somewhere dug the ditch. But when it comes to who made the dirt in the first place… oh.. that just happened.

JellyToast on February 17, 2012 at 11:11 AM

There is no such thing as objective morality-it does not exist, period. All morality is subjective, and varies from culture to culture, and from person to person.

Even people who belong to the same religion do not agree to the same view of morality. There are some Christians who believe that hell is actually right now on Earth-and that when everyone dies, they go to heaven. There are denominations of Christianity that believe homosexuality is not a sin, that that God created gay people and they should be celebrated and not condemned.

For example, if you believe that murder is wrong, and that morality is objective, then you must believe that all murder is wrong-no matter what. Meaning that, if you believe that morality is objective, and you celebrated the death of Osama Bin Laden, then you are a hypocrite. It is that simple.

Christianity is not the end all, be all to morality, no matter what you’d like to think. Our species adhered to certain moral codes thousands of years before Christianity even existed-and we shall continue to do so thousands of years after Christianity fades away.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

I mean, seriously, have you thought about the hell you would unleash on the whole world if we accepted your theory of morality? If we took a vote, we could strangle your mother with your intestines while you were still alive and watching, and you would have zero justification for complaint. Because, hey, what’s right for you may not be right for the rest of us.

Nom de Boom on February 17, 2012 at 11:11 AM

And for the record, I am anti-strangling-people’s-moms-with-their-intestines-while-they-watch. I’m comfortable making that an objective moral rule.

Nom de Boom on February 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM

While we’re checking sources, do you have sources for God existing?

triple on February 16, 2012 at 9:51 PM

I do. He tolerates fools like you.

Roy Rogers on February 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM

This reminds me of some atheist “bio-ethicist” (Peter Singer, I think) who admitted in a debate that the logical consequences of his position on subjective morality would lead to horrific violence, but he was comfortable with preaching his garbage because “most people wouldn’t actually believe him.”

Nom de Boom on February 17, 2012 at 11:15 AM

There are denominations of Christianity that believe homosexuality

is not a sin, that that God created gay people and they should be celebrated and not condemned.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Mozlems are a Christian denomination???

Photographs To Help Explain Why There Are No Homosexuals In Iran [Content Warning: Graphic Photos] (Updated: Video Added)

Roy Rogers on February 17, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Better

There are denominations of Christianity that believe homosexuality is not a sin, that that God created gay people and they should be celebrated and not condemned.

theoddmanout on February 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Mozlems are a Christian denomination???

Photographs To Help Explain Why There Are No Homosexuals In Iran [Content Warning: Graphic Photos] (Updated: Video Added)

Roy Rogers on February 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM

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