Just what you want to hear: Planned Parenthood works around the clock to hook your kids on sex

posted at 9:35 pm on February 16, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Recently, American Life League came out with a six-minute exposé of Planned Parenthood that was so appalling that I would have had a hard time believing it was true had it not been about Planned Parenthood. The video included clips and images from PP educational materials — cartoons and the like — and the gist of the clips was that teens should learn to pleasure themselves and each other as soon as possible.

At the time, I was so disgusted that I couldn’t bring myself to post it. Now, I wish I had. Because of a copyright claim, YouTube pulled the video. No worries, though: You can read more about its contents here. As the smallest of samplings, here’s a screenshot:

The cartoon in the corner speaks for itself.

The point of the ALL’s video was simple: Planned Parenthood has a vested interest in hooking the next generation on sex. They’re in the abortion business. They depend upon unwanted pregnancies to stay in business. They know no unwanted pregnancy occurs without sex, so they encourage sex — albeit “safe” sex.

Over at BuzzFeed, BigRedH mocks the American Life League for its concern, writing, “Yes, this is both real and terrible. How dare Planned Parenthood try to educate people?” But pamphlets, coloring books, mascots, banners, outrageously-shaped lollipops … These aren’t the hallmarks of education. They’re the hallmarks of marketing. Fortunately for Planned Parenthood, the product they’re marketing is the easiest in the world to sell — and, when teens buy it and then have need of other products (a.k.a. contraceptives, STD testing, abortions), Planned Parenthood cashes in.

It sounds extreme, but, in the end, isn’t that the foundational idea of Planned Parenthood — that customers should be able to have sex without consequences, unless those “consequences” are “planned”?

If it all still sounds like a stretch to you, consider Planned Parenthood’s latest effort to meet teens where they are:

Whether they are texting high school students, lecturing in public schools, or coaxing students to their cringeworthy “Teen Information” website, Planned Parenthood relentlessly tries to appeal to the nation’s youth. Their most recent attempt is the newly-launched “HeyPP!” Twitter account. The page is meant to reach teenagers with sexual health information[.]

Sexual health information like, oh, how to have a conversation with your boyfriend about using a condom, how to know when the time is “right” to have sex or how to know if you’re a “cheater” (hint: it depends on your particular relationship’s rules).

The good news is, teens are unimpressed:

Planned Parenthood’s reputation is fading in popularity as quickly as their choice of words. (Another HeyPP tweet reads, “Sounds like a solid plan!” I’m still watching for the word “groovy.”) Planned Parenthood has been exposed for lyingfailing to report statutory rape, and not only concealing, but aiding in the sex trafficking of minors.

But it isn’t only Planned Parenthood that has a dwindling reputation among teens. Abortion as a whole is becoming increasingly unpopular with our nation’s youth. Unlike generations before, today’s teens are a part of what can be called the “refrigerator generation.” Unborn children are not an abstract “blob of tissue” to us, as we have grown up seeing ultrasound images of our unborn brothers, sisters, and cousins on our refrigerator doors. Combine this with an increase in pro-life activism, and it makes sense that more of our generation reports to be pro-life than pro-choice.

Abortion and Planned Parenthood are losing popularity among youth, and no excessive use of the words “like” and “totally” is going to change that.

It’s irritating — and a little insulting to the intelligence — that the “experts” at Planned Parenthood really think teens need help figuring out how to follow their natural urges.

But what angers me most about Planned Parenthood’s perpetual attempts to perpetuate knowledge about every last perversion that plagues the human race is that it robs marriage and sex of mystery and romance. If everybody’s business is everybody’s business, then nothing is private. How ironic that the “right to privacy” has made public in a huge way what was once between just two people.

Incidentally, what evidence we have still suggests it’s better when people keep it to themselves. Let’s please bring back the conversational taboo; surely sex was more exciting that way.

Update: A kind Twitter follower supplied me with a link to a still-working version of the video. “Enjoy” isn’t exactly the right word, so … be appalled:


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Yes darwin, but you have to keep in mind there is a difference between opening your mind to new scientific discovery and opening your mind to blind faith and ancient stories with absolutely no scientific backing whatsoever.

That’s not thinking, its regression.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Regression is is what the left is currently imposing on mankind today. An importantance on oneself, identifying by gender, race, culture and sexual identity and promoting sexual behavior at the earliest age. It emphasizes the human animal instead of the human thinker and bans any thought of spirituality.

darwin on February 16, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Congratulations – and welcome back!

massrighty on February 16, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Thank you! And I haven’t been gone I am a fiend for HA and am formally known as the original seesalrun

My daughter had an awful first pregnancy with tons of complications and lost her first, Angel.

We are incredibly thrilled. And hope for a healthy happy and HA reader for the future!

seesalrun2 on February 16, 2012 at 11:05 PM

you guys need better partners. Really? People have to get indoctrinated to like sex? Now that explains your frustrations

Isserley on February 16, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Africanus on February 16, 2012 at 11:02 PM

I tried three times. He has zero ability to talk about the actual subject of the blog pos. He’s just an atheistvangelist, and for some reason there are plenty of commenters here that are willing to dodge the subject with him.

Is there anyone that can give a coherent argument why my taxes should pay for this video?

Ted Torgerson on February 16, 2012 at 11:06 PM

“Christened automatically?”

Is it something like a car wash ? I didn’t seen anything like one of those in Stockholm….

viking01 on February 16, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Your presidential candidates are. You know, the people you’re planning on electing? Or were you going to vote obama? If so – my apologies.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:04 PM

They’re not ‘my’ candidates.
No one I like is running.
I don’t like any of them.
But in the end, a sphincter muscle smeared with feces would be a far better choice of a candidate than Obama.

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Other than your horror about the prospect of college students having sex, I didn’t think you really had much of a point. If they’re already having sex, giving them condoms is hardly encouraging them, and may help prevent a greater evil.

cam2 on February 16, 2012 at 11:00 PM

The point was that PP was encouraging college kids to have sex. That followed perfectly with the article we (well, I guess I can’t speak for you) just read about PP encouraging sex rather than just teaching about how to reduce risk.

I also would like to reiterate my point about critical thinking skills becoming more rare.

Pattosensei on February 16, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Majority of PP income from abortion: Planned Parenthood: 51% of Its Clinics Income Comes From Abortions, 46% From Government Funding

“By comparing PP’s abortion income with its clinic income, we get a much more accurate picture of Planned Parenthood’s business model. In 2010, Planned Parenthood’s abortion income was 51.5 percent of its clinic income.”

slickwillie2001 on February 16, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Bishop on February 16, 2012 at 11:02 PM

:-)

pambi on February 16, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Thinking that someone who has faith CANNOT POSSIBLY walk in critical thinking, reason, and logic is one flat out lie.

A delusion is a delusion, no matter how widely held it is.

Look, I know I’m a minority. It would be comfortable to just “go with it” and be a christian. But it’d be a lie. I’d be lying to myself, because I know there’s nothing else – its a comfortable lie.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Regression is is what the left is currently imposing on mankind today. An importantance on oneself, identifying by gender, race, culture and sexual identity and promoting sexual behavior at the earliest age. It emphasizes the human animal instead of the human thinker and bans any thought of spirituality.

darwin on February 16, 2012 at 11:05 PM

B b b but I was told that was PROgression!

Lanceman on February 16, 2012 at 11:07 PM

LMFAO masturbation the gateway drug

Isserley on February 16, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Your presidential candidates are.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Another lie. Santorum clearly stated he would not do that, and I don’t recall Romney suggesting it either so where did you find that bit of nonsense?

sharrukin on February 16, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Regression is is what the left is currently imposing on mankind today. An importantance on oneself, identifying by gender, race, culture and sexual identity and promoting sexual behavior at the earliest age. It emphasizes the human animal instead of the human thinker and bans any thought of spirituality.

darwin on February 16, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Why would those in power want those of us not in power to be able to think?

Pattosensei on February 16, 2012 at 11:09 PM

seesalrun2 on February 16, 2012 at 11:05 PM

My welcome back was in response to your comment about not having commented in a while. I remember your posting from back in the day.

God bless you, and your family, as you await more proof of God’s love.

massrighty on February 16, 2012 at 11:09 PM

There’s nothing funnier than christians pretending to lecture me about “the human thinker”.

What church was it that held back all scientific thought in favor of religion for centuries? We’d have flying cars by now if that never happened. Shit, we might not even need cars – teleporters.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:10 PM

LMFAO masturbation the gateway drug

Isserley on February 16, 2012 at 11:08 PM

When are you publishing your thesis ?

viking01 on February 16, 2012 at 11:10 PM

A delusion is a delusion, no matter how widely held it is.

Look, I know I’m a minority. It would be comfortable to just “go with it” and be a christian. But it’d be a lie. I’d be lying to myself, because I know there’s nothing else – its a comfortable lie.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:07 PM

And you really think you are free of such delusions because you shake your fist at the very idea of God?

sharrukin on February 16, 2012 at 11:10 PM

A delusion is a delusion, no matter how widely held it is.

Look, I know I’m a minority. It would be comfortable to just “go with it” and be a christian. But it’d be a lie. I’d be lying to myself, because I know there’s nothing else – its a comfortable lie.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:07 PM

As a reincarnationist who has no qualms with abortion, I am not a ‘Christian’ in the biblical sense.

But I don’t find the need to dance on someone else’s beliefs.

Unless they’re liberals. Then I HATE.
Yep. You heard me – I HATE.

A ‘natural’ human emotion. Legislate that away, fool.

Lanceman on February 16, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Santorum clearly stated he would not do that

Santorum has said we need to live by “christian law”, whatever that means. He just said hes going to hold a law above the law of the land – the constitution.

Just a heads up!

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:11 PM

There’s LOTS of supporting evidence of evolution. We’ve even seen it happen in realtime, in a lab. (Google fruit flies.)

triple on February 16, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Being someone who is ambivalent about these food wars I do need to rain on your parade. At the end of the day they are still fruit flies and when the offending mutagen is removed they return to wild type.

chemman on February 16, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Your bitter ugliness is showing like a cancerous tumor in the middle of your forehead.

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:00 PM

A common malady of the “religious” atheist.

CW on February 16, 2012 at 11:02 PM

You are correct.
Notice the whole point of this is that the federal govt has no place in any of this.
These are state & local community issues.
The Fed is very limited.
The Fed has no business providing welfare to people, healthcare, college, birth control services, etc.
This has nothing to do with its enumerated powers.
And yet ol’ triple there wants to just keep tripling down on stupid by getting all religious about atheism.
It’s pathetic.
Triple-the Constitution states the Fed’s powers.
None of this has anything to do with what they are allowed to do.
So instead of evangelizing about your atheism, you could address the real issue here.

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:12 PM

And you really think you are free of such delusions because you shake your fist at the very idea of God?

sharrukin on February 16, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I’m not sure. I can’t be by definition – its a delusion we’re talking about, here.

But I can say for sure I’m not aware of any possible delusions. Can you say the same? Can you show proof for everything you believe in? I can.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:12 PM

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:07 PM

It keeps opening its mouth and removing all doubt.

viking01 on February 16, 2012 at 11:12 PM

A delusion is a delusion, no matter how widely held it is.

Look, I know I’m a minority. It would be comfortable to just “go with it” and be a christian. But it’d be a lie. I’d be lying to myself, because I know there’s nothing else – its a comfortable lie.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:07 PM

A belief in God is no more delusional than a non-belief in God. Both are accepted on faith.

darwin on February 16, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Santorum has said we need to live by “christian law”, whatever that means. He just said hes going to hold a law above the law of the land – the constitution.

Just a heads up!

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:11 PM

The fundamental basis of this Nation’s law was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings which we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. I don’t think we emphasize that enough these days.

If we don’t have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.

- President Harry S. Truman

ITguy on February 16, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Breaking the speed of sound? Impossible.

-some guy, circa the 19th century

Bishop on February 16, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Santorum has said we need to live by “christian law”, whatever that means. He just said hes going to hold a law above the law of the land – the constitution.

Just a heads up!

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Where is the source for him suggesting that religious law should trump the constitution? The reason I ask is that you play fast and loose with the truth so I think you are lying.

sharrukin on February 16, 2012 at 11:14 PM

There’s nothing funnier than christians pretending to lecture me about “the human thinker”.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:10 PM

There’s nothing funny about turgid atheists. They are without peer in the realm of the humorless.

trapeze on February 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM

For anyone who’s interested here’s a pretty relevant Christian blog post that will help you understand the philosophy underlying Planned Parenthood’s marketing of sex and how we as a culture got to the point of being unable to articulate objections to it.

Nom de Boom on February 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM

I know there’s nothing else – its a comfortable lie.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:07 PM

The fallacy in your argument is the claim to omnipotence. To the limits of your knowledge you believe their is nothing else.

chemman on February 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM

If we don’t have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.

– President Harry S. Truman

ITguy on February 16, 2012 at 11:13 PM

The last good ‘rat President. Would he be a ‘rat today?

Lanceman on February 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Pattosensei on February 16, 2012 at 11:01 PM

So, you don’t engage in faith whenever you sit into a chair ?
How do you KNOW it won’t collapse, will support you ?
Must your faith in its support be somehow proven first ?
You might want focus real hard on that.

pambi on February 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Santorum has said we need to live by “christian law”, whatever that means. He just said hes going to hold a law above the law of the land – the constitution.

Just a heads up!

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I don’t like anyone, left or right, getting into anyone’s business using the Federal Government to do so.
By providing women with free contraceptives, you are letting the federal govt engage in non-enumerated powers.
THIS is the point of this.
I agree with Santorum on some things.
But I don’t like busy bodies on either side.
You are a busy body who is trying to push your atheistic views upon others.
You are trying to force people to accept something that they believe is wrong.
And you are evidently in agreement with the left that the Federal government should somehow be involved in all of this, or it’s somehow ‘discriminating’.
You’re full of it.
Let’s just make the Fed do only what they are allowed & leave the rest to the STATES, as it was originally intended.

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM

There’s no such thing as “non-belief”. God, contrary to popular belief, is not an either-or scenario. It’s a commonly held myth that has never, ever been proved one way or the other. Right now, if we’re talking about rational thought, god does not exist until you have reason to believe he does. God does not exist by default.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM

But I can say for sure I’m not aware of any possible delusions. Can you say the same? Can you show proof for everything you believe in? I can.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Do you believe in truth? Justice? Equality? Human Rights?

Can you show any proof for your silly belief in such things?

sharrukin on February 16, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labour to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men & citizens.

- President George Washington, in his Farewell Address

ITguy on February 16, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Bishop on February 16, 2012 at 11:13 PM

There’s a quote by the phenomenal scientist and very religious man Wernher von Braun which goes something like:

“The longer I live the more cautious I am to use the word “impossible.”

viking01 on February 16, 2012 at 11:17 PM

The fallacy in your argument is the claim to omnipotence. To the limits of your knowledge you believe their is nothing else.

chemman on February 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM

That’s about the extent of it. For claiming to be a deep critical thinker, triple seems awfully short of understanding how the lack of proof doesn’t mean something doesn’t exist. And I say this as an agnostic myself.

Bishop on February 16, 2012 at 11:17 PM

“He’s just an atheistvangelist, and for some reason there are plenty of commenters here that are willing to dodge the subject with him.

Is there anyone that can give a coherent argument why my taxes should pay for this video?

Ted Torgerson on February 16, 2012 at 11:06 PM”

A being they claim that does not exist yet they want to talk about him all the time. Okay TRIPLE, you don’t believe in God, so what!
Tell us why we should pay for the videos, condoms for losers too cheap to pay for their own and supposed profitable business!

If they are raking in the cash, they don’t need tax payer funds!

Africanus on February 16, 2012 at 11:18 PM

There’s nothing funnier than christians pretending to lecture me about “the human thinker”.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:10 PM

There’s nothing funny about turgid atheists. They are without peer in the realm of the humorless.

trapeze on February 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM

He’s just like the bitter feminist who used to like men, until she got jilted.
Now she roams the earth without shaving, ranting about the evils of men & using her newfound bitterness to attack every man in sight.

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Less than four months before signing the Declaration of Independence, John Hancock and other Founders consented to this…

In CONGRESS,
SATURDAY, March 16, 1776.

IN times of impending calamity and distress; when the Liberties of America are imminently endangered by the secret machinations and open assaults of an insidious and vindictive Administration, it becomes the indispensible duty of these hitherto free and happy Colonies, with true penitence of heart, and the most reverent devotion, publickly to acknowledge the over ruling providence of God; to confess and deplore our offences against him; and to supplicate his interposition for averting the threatened danger, and prospering our strenuous efforts in the cause of Freedom, Virtue and Posterity.

The Congress therefore, considering the warlike preparations of the British Ministry to subvert our invaluable rights and privileges, and to reduce us by fire and sword, by the savages of the wilderness and our own domestics, to the most abject and ignominious bondage: Desirous, at the same time, to have people of all ranks and degrees, duly impressed with a solemn sense of God’s superintending providence, and of their duty devoutly to rely in all their lawful enterprizes of his aid and direction–do earnestly recommend, that FRIDAY, the seventeenth day of May next, be observed by the said Colonies as a day of HUMILIATION, FASTING, and PRAYER; that we may with united hearts confess and bewail our manifold sins and transgressions, and by a sincere, repentance and amendment of life, appease his righteous displeasure and through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ, obtain his pardon and forgiveness; humbly imploring his assistance to frustrate the cruel purposes of our unnatural enemies; and by inclining their hearts to justice and benevolence, prevent the further effusion of kindred blood. But if continuing deaf to the voice of reason and humanity, and inflexibly bent on desolation and war, they constrain us to repel their hostile invasions by open resistance, that it may please the Lord of Hosts, the God of Armies, to animate our Officers and Soldiers with invincible fortitude to guard and protect them in the day of battle, and to crown the Continental arms by sea and land with victory and success: Earnestly beseeching him to bless our civil Rulers and the Representatives of the People in their several Assemblies and Conventions; to preserve and strengthen their Union, to inspire them with an ardent disinterested love of their Country; to give wisdom and stability to their Councils; and direct them to the most efficacious measures for establishing the Rights of America on the most honorable and permanent basis–that he would be graciously pleased to bless all his People in these Colonies with Health and Plenty, and grant that a spirit of incorruptible Patriotism and of pure undefiled Religion may universally prevail; and this Continent be speedily restored to the blessings of Peace and Liberty, and enabled to transmit them inviolate to the latest Posterity. And it is recommended to Christians of all denominations to assemble for Public Worship, and abstain from servile Labour on the said Day.

By Order of Congress,
JOHN HANCOCK, President

Attest………..CHARLES THOMPSON, Secretary.

Colony of the
Massachusetts-Bay.

In COUNCIL, April 3, 1776.

READ and accepted, and Ordered, That a suitable Number be printed, in order that each of the religious Assemblies, in this Colony, may be furnished with a Copy of the same.

Sent down for Concurrence………..PEREZ MORTON, Dep. Sec’ry.

In the House of REPRESENTATIVES, April 4, 1776.

Read and concurr’d………..SAMUEL FREEMAN, Speaker, pro Tem.

Consented to,

JAMES OTIS,
BENJAMIN GREENLEAF,
CALEB CUSHING,
JOHN WINTHROP,
JOHN WHETCOMB,
ELDAD TAYLOR,
MICHAEL FARLEY,
JOSEPH PALMER,
SAMUEL HOLTEN,
MOSES GILL,
JOSEPH GERRISH,
BENJAMIN LINCOLN,
CHARLES CHAUNCY,
JOHN TAYLOR,
BENJAMIN WHITE.

GOD SAVE THE PEOPLE.

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ITguy on February 16, 2012 at 11:18 PM

But I can say for sure I’m not aware of any possible delusions. Can you say the same? Can you show proof for everything you believe in? I can.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Triple, I don’t mean to add to your ongoing beating, but you can’t possibly be a serious philosophical thinker and say stuff like this. Everyone smuggles in assumptions. The whole thrust of epistemology since Kant (and possibly earlier) has been about that very thing.

Nom de Boom on February 16, 2012 at 11:19 PM

– President George Washington, in his Farewell Address

ITguy on February 16, 2012 at 11:17 PM

He was so 18th century. We have progressed beyond the need for God. Can’t you see that all around you? Get with it, IT Guy!

Lanceman on February 16, 2012 at 11:19 PM

viking01 on February 16, 2012 at 11:17 PM

That’s a good quote. I often refer to a British scientist (I can never remember his name) from the 18th century who claimed that everything which could be invented had already been invented.

Boy howdy, was he wrong.

Bishop on February 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM

You are a busy body who is trying to push your atheistic views upon others.

Do you have a problem with.. lets say.. government providing healthcare services such as flu shots?

Then why do you get all bent out of shape when its womens health and contraception?

Oh right – you’re trying to push your religious beliefs on everyone else. That’s what this is.

You can’t suddenly say, oh, you’re so anti-religion.. the only reason I’m even here is because you people are confusing church and state again.

And me? I don’t want to shove anything down your throats. In fact, I have absolutely nothing to shove down anyone’s throat, as I don’t believe in a goddamn thing. So cheers.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM

God, contrary to popular belief, is not an either-or scenario. It’s a commonly held myth that has never, ever been proved one way or the other. Right now, if we’re talking about rational thought, god does not exist until you have reason to believe he does. God does not exist by default.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM

I’m glad to hear that you are the purveyor of all truth.
It must be wonderful to go through life knowing you’re the only one who knows the truth about everything.
Honestly, IDK why you even bother talking to lower beings like us.
You are clearly a more evolved & enlightened being.
You should ascend as quickly as possible.
Your massive talents are obviously only going to be appreciated elsewhere.

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:21 PM

The, er “ongoing beating” is likely why “triple” resents Catholic school.

viking01 on February 16, 2012 at 11:21 PM

massrighty on February 16, 2012 at 11:09 PM

So nice of you to say, and I appreciate it more than you know. I know what I say and say what I mean. It doesn’t really change.

What I feel lacks in the psyche of some of the posters is parenting. I think most of the pro abortion people have never had one. A parent.

I think that Planned Parenthood fosters ideals that are non-American. By that I mean self reliance. Self governance.

I think all services provided by Planned Parenthood are better suited to family Doctors but we’ve pretty much destroyed that role in Society.

Let’s try to bring it back. Parenting, Family Doctors, Communities and RESPONSIBILITY. It might be too late, but with a more skilled person than me of course, we could resurrect a family care system. In my opinion, much better than a government one, or a government subsidized one hell bent on destroying a beautiful and wonderful thing called life.

If it wasn’t for my kids, all born out of wedlock and all beautiful wonderful and successful, I have no idea how I would have turned out. All I know is without my 3 gifts from God I would not be the woman I am today, and for that I am eternally grateful.

They kept me reaching, they kept me going and to this day I keep going, grandmother to almost 2.

I ROCK

seesalrun2 on February 16, 2012 at 11:21 PM

He’s just like the bitter feminist who used to like men, until she got jilted.

Now she roams the earth without shaving, ranting about the evils of men & using her newfound bitterness to attack every man in sight.

I’m actually engaged to a former rape victim, who has every right to be “upset” with men in general. But thanks for using those types of personal tragedies for making a point. That was so classy of you.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Do you love anything? A woman, a child? Can you prove that love exists or do you simply tell that special person that your feelings for them are simply a complicated hash of chemicals being stimulated by electrical signals?

Valentines Day must be super fun at the triple house.

Bishop on February 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Then why do you get all bent out of shape when its womens health and contraception?

Abortion kills a child or it does not. That is about a lot more than womens health and contraception.

Oh right – you’re trying to push your religious beliefs on everyone else. That’s what this is.

Someone’s religious/ideological beliefs will prevail and you want it to be yours while claiming to be just a rational observer.

And me? I don’t want to shove anything down your throats. In fact, I have absolutely nothing to shove down anyone’s throat, as I don’t believe in a goddamn thing. So cheers.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM

You sure seem to be upset about this ‘nothing‘ thing.

sharrukin on February 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

The whole thrust of epistemology since Kant (and possibly earlier) has been about that very thing.

Nom de Boom on February 16, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Presuppositions are a bear even when you know you are operating out of them. When you don’t recognize that fact the are a momma bear protecting her cubs.

chemman on February 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

What’s a former rape victim? Is that like a former female?

trapeze on February 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

And me? I don’t want to shove anything down your throats. In fact, I have absolutely nothing to shove down anyone’s throat, as I don’t believe in a goddamn thing. So cheers.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Seems kind of odd for an atheist to use that term. Maybe it’s just me.

Bishop on February 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

The Congress therefore… do earnestly recommend, that FRIDAY, the seventeenth day of May next, be observed by the said Colonies as a day of HUMILIATION, FASTING, and PRAYER; that we may with united hearts confess and bewail our manifold sins and transgressions, and by a sincere, repentance and amendment of life, appease his righteous displeasure and through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ, obtain his pardon and forgiveness;

1) It sure sounds like the Founders had this on their mind:

if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

2 Chronicles 7:14

2) These are some of the same people who passed the First Amendment. Clearly, they endorsed Christianity and did not intend a “separation of church and state”. Yes, they explicitly forbid Congress from establishing (creating, owning, operating) a state-run church, but they never intended for the practice and endorsement of Christianity to be forbidden in our government.

ITguy on February 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

You are a busy body who is trying to push your atheistic views upon others.

Do you have a problem with.. lets say.. government providing healthcare services such as flu shots?

Then why do you get all bent out of shape when its womens health and contraception?

Oh right – you’re trying to push your religious beliefs on everyone else. That’s what this is.

You can’t suddenly say, oh, you’re so anti-religion.. the only reason I’m even here is because you people are confusing church and state again.

And me? I don’t want to shove anything down your throats. In fact, I have absolutely nothing to shove down anyone’s throat, as I don’t believe in a goddamn thing. So cheers.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Yes I do.
You have no clue as to my religious beliefs.
Religion has nothing to do with the FACT that the Fed has certain enumerated powers.
And women’s contraceptives have nothing to do with that.
I don’t believe in denying women the right to buy the stuff.
But tax dollars are not to be used.
As far as you not trying to shove your views down our throats, your constant badgering of everyone here attests to the fact that you live in Irony-land.
You have not once weighed in on Federally enumerated powers.
That’s what I care about.
Working for Catholics doesn’t mean you can’t have an abortion or go get birth control.
It just means you’ll have to buy the stuff yourself.
SO?
As to you’re not believing in anything, it is clear you believe in not believing.
And that is a belief in of itself.
You have a religious fervor about you in your ‘non-belief’.
It’s fricking hilarious.

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM

You sure seem to be upset about this ‘nothing‘ thing.

sharrukin on February 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

It’s not a thing. That’s the point. I don’t have a thing.

What upsets me are the people who try to push their thing, i.e. religion, into a law – which affects everyone.

If catholics or mormons want to make laws that only affect mormons or catholics, you know what? Put it in your church rules. Don’t screw the rest of us over.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Bishop on February 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM

IBD today (Thurs.) had a great quote by the PM Harold Wilson which more or less goes:

“Courage is the art of being the only one who knows how scared you are.”

viking01 on February 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM

“That Man is the product of causes that had no prevision of the end they were achieving; that his origin, his growth, his hopes and fears, his loves and his beliefs, are but the outcome of accidental collocations of atoms; that no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling, can preserve individual life beyond the grave; that all the labors of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system, and that the whole temple of Man’s achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of a universe in ruins — all these things, if not quite beyond dispute, are yet so nearly certain that no philosophy which rejects them can hope to stand.

Only within the scaffolding of these truths, only on the firm foundation of unyielding despair, can the soul’s habitation henceforth be safely built.”

–Bertrand Russell, cheerful atheist

Nom de Boom on February 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Anywho, politifact, wikipedia, PP, and all available sources (except hot air commenters) says im correct. So take that however.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Actually, what you said was that Sweden was one of the most atheist countries on earth, and what your source (specifically, Wikipedia and its corresponding source) said was that Swedes balk at the notion of being referred to as atheists. So “however” is exactly how I will take that, in contrast to how I will take the word of the Swedes themselves.

there is a difference between opening your mind to new scientific discovery and opening your mind to blind faith and ancient stories with absolutely no scientific backing whatsoever.

There’s also a difference between being rational about scientific things and being scientific about EVERYthing. There are other things in the world besides science. I had eight or nine classes a day in school, and as I recall, only one of them was science.

So no, I don’t push every single thing I see and do in everyday life through a science filter, and no, I don’t think that makes me irrational or unthinking. I just think about different things in different ways.

The Schaef on February 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Clearly, they endorsed Christianity and did not intend a “separation of church and state”. Yes, they explicitly forbid Congress from establishing (creating, owning, operating) a state-run church, but they never intended for the practice and endorsement of Christianity to be forbidden in our government.

ITguy on February 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

They practiced church mass in the Capital Building itself for years and several early presidents attended and even gave sermons IIRC. They did not envision any wall between Christianity and public service.

sharrukin on February 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

What’s a former rape victim? Is that like a former female?

trapeze on February 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

I think you can achieve former victim status at your local county administrators office. It costs about $10 and you fill out a form which requests your status be changed from victim to former victim.

Bishop on February 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

What upsets me are the people who try to push their thing, i.e. religion, into a law – which affects everyone.

If catholics or mormons want to make laws that only affect mormons or catholics, you know what? Put it in your church rules. Don’t screw the rest of us over.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM

The left is imposing their rules on people that don’t want them. You know what? Put it in the left’s rules, don’t screw the rest of us over.

People want to be left alone. They don’t want what the left is selling. To the people that do want it, get it some other way.

darwin on February 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

I’m actually engaged to a former rape victim, who has every right to be “upset” with men in general. But thanks for using those types of personal tragedies for making a point. That was so classy of you.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

I’ve been raped also.
So?
Using your victimhood to attack other’s beliefs is pathetic.
You’re so classy to denigrate others’ faith.
And I said ‘jilted’.
I never alluded to rape.
Funny how you’re so quick to judge my intentions.
But it’s more & more obvious just how bitter you are.
Bitterness is a cancer.
It will eat you alive.
Clearly, you’re half eaten through with nastiness.

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Do you really want to know what “spirituality” really is?

Confirmation bias.

Like when chemo clears a patient of cancer, and the patient “thanks the lord”.

Or when tebow connects on a touchdown.. oh, thanks jesus.

Confirmation bias.

Look it up.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

People want to be left alone. They don’t want what the left is selling. To the people that do want it, get it some other way.

darwin on February 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

THIS

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

And a former victim is a survivor, btw.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Presuppositions are a bear even when you know you are operating out of them. When you don’t recognize that fact the are a momma bear protecting her cubs.

chemman on February 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Yup. They’re necessary for basic human functioning (who could live in a state of absolute doubt), but epistemic humility is one of the best qualities we can cultivate in ourselves. “What am I assuming here?” should be a frequent question. Audit yourself and prepare to be surprised.

Nom de Boom on February 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Do you really want to know what “spirituality” really is?

Confirmation bias.

Like when chemo clears a patient of cancer, and the patient “thanks the lord”.

Or when tebow connects on a touchdown.. oh, thanks jesus.

Confirmation bias.

Look it up.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Seriously, if you don’t like being judged as to your intentions about why you are denigrating people here, then why is it you are doing your level best to insult & denigrate people’s faith here?
Your bitter agenda is pathetic.
You should go spend some time with your girlfriend instead of here with people you don’t know & you clearly despise.

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

What upsets me are the people who try to push their thing, i.e. religion, into a law – which affects everyone.

If catholics or mormons want to make laws that only affect mormons or catholics, you know what? Put it in your church rules. Don’t screw the rest of us over.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM

I hear ya, that whole Christmas day being recognized as a federal holiday is bullshiit.

Next Christmas you should send photos to HotGas of yourself sitting all alone in the office while everyone else is at home.

Or do you take the time off and pretend you aren’t being a raging hypocrite?

Bishop on February 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

It’s not a thing. That’s the point. I don’t have a thing.

What upsets me are the people who try to push their thing, i.e. religion, into a law – which affects everyone.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Why is a theocratic state wrong with the obligatory Army Of The Holy Inquisition searching out unbelievers if you don’t have any ‘delusional beliefs’ in justice, equality, and morality? They have power and are using that power to bend others to their will just as any healthy group of animals would do. What’s wrong with that?

sharrukin on February 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I’m actually engaged to a former rape victim, who has every right to be “upset” with men in general.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

With men in general ? Every right ?

Wouldn’t that be the same moed of wrongheaded thinking that would put an inept Obama into Harvard, say, to get back at George Wallace ?

viking01 on February 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I don’t despise you. I despise the effects people like you have on society. No religion.. gas prices would be a buck fifty. WTC would still be standing. We wouldn’t be wondering if Israel was going to attack Iran for having a nuclear weapon.

Do I despise you as a person? No. You’re just naive enough to believe what you were told. If anything, I’m trying to help you.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

And a former victim is a survivor, btw.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

And someone who uses victimhood (or worse, someone else’s victimhood) to make an unrelated point in an argument is pathetic.

Take your anger and your self absorption somewhere else. It’s boring.

trapeze on February 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

If the bottom line is human happiness, promiscuity isn’t the way to go. This “no boundaries” lifestyle that’s being pushed is guaranteed to create even more unhappiness.

disa on February 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

There’s also a difference between being rational about scientific things and being scientific about EVERYthing. There are other things in the world besides science. I had eight or nine classes a day in school, and as I recall, only one of them was science.

So no, I don’t push every single thing I see and do in everyday life through a science filter, and no, I don’t think that makes me irrational or unthinking. I just think about different things in different ways.

The Schaef on February 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Great post. A professor of mine would always remind us that the nature of the object of inquiry dictates the methods of inquiry. People who act like the scientific method is the gold standard for e…very….thing have a stunted view of the universe.

Nom de Boom on February 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

And a former victim is a survivor, btw.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

You seriously have problems.
Your agenda is to attack the faith & beliefs of others you don’t agree with.
My agenda is to hold the Federal government to the Constitution.
You have not addressed the Federal govt’s overreach of power beyong it’s enumerated powers.
Which reveals you are only interested in bashing organized religions.
Get a grip dude.
Go spend time with your family.
It’ll make you happier, less bitter, and will give you more of a purpose in life instead of trying to insult strangers’ belief in God.
If He isn’t real, then seriously, why do you care?
Unless you’re only interested in advancing your belief of atheism.

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Pattosensei on February 16, 2012 at 11:01 PM

So, you don’t engage in faith whenever you sit into a chair ?
How do you KNOW it won’t collapse, will support you ?
Must your faith in its support be somehow proven first ?
You might want focus real hard on that.

pambi on February 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM

You are all over the radar on this.

I simply said that proof and faith are not mutually exclusive. I used the example of a chair to show that I can have faith that the chair will hold me up without proof of it. However, having faith in it does not mean that it cannot be proven. Just like having faith in God does not mean there is no, or cannot be any, proof of it.

Then you said:

You just proved that faith DOES believe in something that cannot be proven.. before you sat down, right ??
Or do you need proof, first ??

pambi on February 16, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I told you to focus on the word cannot. Just because I have faith in something does not mean it cannot be proven. You added “before you sit down.” I can only assume that you were trying to imply that there can be no proof before I sit down. If that is so, then you must think proof is something that is 100% conclusive.

For example, I could put a 200lb weight on the chair before I sit on it. That still wouldn’t be 100% conclusive that it would hold me when I sit in it, but it would still be proof. Regardless, I would have faith that it wouldn’t collapse when I sat in it.

In fact, I engage in faith even when I AM sitting in the chair. It is not outside of the realm of possibility that the chair will cease holding me even though I have 100% conclusive proof that it is currently holding me and, base on that, proof that it can hold me.

So my point stands. Having faith does not mean there is a lack of proof.

Pattosensei on February 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

moed = mode

viking01 on February 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Come on now, when I almost got killed while out riding by a woman driving a minivan, I decided right then and there that I had every right to be upset with all women and minivan drivers.

Bishop on February 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:32 PM

got to lay low and watch them self destruct. As sad as it is, I call it empty cores.

Can’t fear them because there is no core. Sheeple is disrepectful. It’s more sad than that, but pity is wasted, they want the fight and I dare say they will get one. Problem is they are fighting for a worthless check. And it will most likely bounce….soon

Flyover Country is in total while silent, the Goliath. The Sleeping Giant.

OBO and good night all
Sal

seesalrun2 on February 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Classy. It’s actually her PTSD. Men trigger it. FYI

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

You’re just naive enough to believe what you were told. If anything, I’m trying to help you.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

You can help me by joining with me to stop the growth of the Federal govt & advance the 10th Ammendment.
Beyond that, I don’t need the counseling of an atheist.
I am open minded enough to tolerate your opinion on religion & God.
But the difference btwn you & I is that I don’t use my religion or beliefs, whatever they may be, to attack you.
I’m asking you to believe in one thing: The Constitution of the United States Of America.
That is what is important in 2012.

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Right now, if we’re talking about rational thought, god does not exist until you have reason to believe he does. God does not exist by default.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM

So rationally, you did not exist until I had reason to believe you did; in this case, through this newfangled form of interaction that directed us each to this site.

How disheartened were you to discover that, by default, you did not even exist until very recently? Kinda makes all those years of Catholic school kind of confusing, since they never existed either.

OR… here’s another thought: the existence or non-existence of things is completely unrelated to whether we believe they exist. I would have thought that would be an axiom for a naturalist, and yet here I am, the spiritual man, making the case.

The Schaef on February 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Classy. It’s actually her PTSD. Men trigger it. FYI

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Hook her up with that one feminist broad who said “All sex is rape.”

Lanceman on February 16, 2012 at 11:40 PM

How disheartened were you to discover that, by default, you did not even exist until very recently?

wow, deep! But easily disproved.

I exist because I was acknowledged by others from 9 months before I was even born. So yes, I exist, whether you were aware of me or not.

Now we could do a neat string theory thing here, where like there’s parallel universes where you and I never meet, and maybe in your universe, I don’t exist. Creepy!

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

You’re just naive enough to believe what you were told. If anything, I’m trying to help you.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

After seeing the tiresome phrase “look it up” several times now the time is come to shelve your book and think on your own feet.

viking01 on February 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Again, a great point. Without religion there wouldn’t be 150 homeless families being sheltered and fed at “Mary’s Place” in Minneapolis.

Without religion there wouldn’t be Catholic hospitals providing all sorts of charitable care.

Without religion the 60 girls of a ghetto in Mombasa, Kenya wouldn’t have a school to attend, a school built with donations from the congregation of my wife’s church.

All that ugliness is due to religion. It needs to stop and stop now!

Bishop on February 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

The video was one of the dumbest things I’ve seen in a long while. Yup, without Planned Parenthood, young boys aren’t going to want to masturbate.

libfreeordie on February 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I don’t despise you. I despise the effects people like you have on society. No religion.. gas prices would be a buck fifty. WTC would still be standing. We wouldn’t be wondering if Israel was going to attack Iran for having a nuclear weapon.

Do I despise you as a person? No. You’re just naive enough to believe what you were told. If anything, I’m trying to help you.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Slightly biased I see. It’s been Iran that’s been threatening to vaporize Israel for a few years now.

We could have cheap gas if the left would corral their environmental hordes and let us use the world’s largest deposit of fossil fuels. We don’t have to buy from anyone. We could have cheaper gas if the leftist in the White House had approved the keystone pipeline.

As far as trying to help people, you’re just embarrassing yourself. For all your supposed “enlightenment” it’s quite obvious you’ve taken the easy way and just said “hey, there’s no God”. Anyone who actually made a serious effort to seek the truth wouldn’t demean others for seeking the same.

darwin on February 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Classy. It’s actually her PTSD. Men trigger it. FYI

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:38 PM

What are you talking about?
Do you think anyone here is attacking your GF?
Are you still harping on this bull$hit?
I used the term ‘jilted’ regarding YOUR crazy bitterness against anything related to God.
No one knows anything about your woman.
You bringing her up as some kind of shield here is disgusting.
Answer to the main point here: Federal enumerated powers.
Bah. Whatever.
You can’t see through your faith.
You’re nuts.
Obviously religion is on your mind quite a lot.
You & your mind need to get a room & sort the craziness out.
Wheww!

Badger40 on February 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

What upsets me is when people like you push your sense of morality on others.

blink on February 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM

But here’s the thing – my sense of morality is not to push my morality on others. I have morals, sure. I didn’t sleep with anyone until I was 24. I’ve never done drugs and never will. I believe in a sense of family.

But I will never, EVER, pretend that just because I have morals, everyone else in the whole freaking country needs to do the same.

If you like sleeping with your cousin, that’s kinda weird, but good for you, free country.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:43 PM

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Awww, trip .. Ya hadda go there ?
Where the H do you think I actually MET Him, for real ?
My hospital bed, after removal of a cancerous kidney.
I was laying there, shaking my fist @ Him, mad as hell that He’d ‘allowed’ such to happen to me !
What He revealed is a very long story, but had I not even considered the possibility of His existence, to begin with, I’m sure that He would not have shown me what He did.
Jus sayin’. Stay open.

pambi on February 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

What upsets me are the people who try to push their thing, i.e. religion, into a law – which affects everyone.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM

What upsets me are the people who try to push their thing, i.e. a complete lack of morality or personal responsibility, onto religious people. That is EXACTLY what the state is forbidden to do, as designed by the Founders.

I must say that people like you exasperate me to no end – dishonest or ignorant, probably both.

Why can’t you be content with having coarsened modern life to the point where tacky behavior parades in the public square, where we all have to see it. Why must people get birth control and abortions for free? Those are elective activities and others shouldn’t have to pay for them, especially when they are morally repugnant.

disa on February 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Yup, without Planned Parenthood, young boys aren’t going to want to masturbate.

libfreeordie on February 16, 2012 at 11:42 PM

So is that what taxpayers are getting out of $500,000,000 dollars?

sharrukin on February 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

They practiced church mass in the Capital Building itself for years and several early presidents attended and even gave sermons IIRC. They did not envision any wall between Christianity and public service.

sharrukin on February 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

The approval of the Capitol for church was given by both the House and the Senate, with House approval being given by Speaker of the House, Theodore Sedgwick, and Senate approval being given by the President of the Senate, Thomas Jefferson. Interestingly, Jefferson’s approval came while he was still officially the Vice- President but after he had just been elected President.

- from: Church in the U.S. Capitol

Yes, the same Thomas Jefferson who wrote to the Danbury Baptists to assure them that “a wall of separation between church and state” would keep the Federal Government from interferring with their 1st-Amendment protected free exercise of religion, is the same Thomas Jefferson who approved of using the U.S. Capitol building for church services.

Yet liberals think that Jefferson wanted to keep religious practice and religious endorsement out of our government. They could not be more wrong. Our government has endorsed Christianity since its very foundation.

ITguy on February 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Slightly biased I see. It’s been Iran that’s been threatening to vaporize Israel for a few years now.

Yeah. But its going to be Israel that fires the first real shot.

Not an Israel hater or anything, that’s just the facts.

triple on February 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

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