Videos: Three faces of forced unionism and political contributions

posted at 8:40 am on February 14, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Last week, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee held a hearing into forced unionism and the misleading ways in which unions use the dues and other contributions for political purposes.  The committee will release three videos of witnesses who discussed their own experiences with being denied a choice in joining a union in order to highlight the problem.  First up is Terry Bowman, Ford assembly-line worker who wants his First Amendment freedom of association restored — and a way out of contributing to political causes with which he disagrees:

Next is Claire Waites, a teacher from Alabama, who describes how the NEA pulls a bait-and-switch with its “children’s fund,” which is nothing more than a PAC for electing Democrats:

But by far the most heartbreaking story comes from Sally Coomer, who was forced to join the SEIU by the state of Washington because she received Medicaid for caring for her developmentally-disabled daughter. They take $95 a month out of the funds she needs to give care to her daughter, which “is going to causes I do not support,” and which could pay for several hours of care:

I wrote about this last November, when both Michigan and Minnesota tried to extend this forced-unionism into day-care operations as well as home-care situations. There is no reason to force parents who receive Medicaid to care for developmentally-disabled children into unions, except to pick their pockets for the benefit of union bosses and political parties. It’s positively ghoulish, as I wrote at the time, and only the efforts of Republican-controlled legislatures in both states kept them from forcing babysitters into unions.

The Oversight Committee promises more investigations into forced unionism:

On February 8th, the Committee published a report finding that the Obama Administration and recent court cases have directly contributed to the loss of workplace freedom as well as worker rights violations endured by Ms. Coomer, Mr. Bowman and Ms. Waites.  As the federal government aids and abets these violations, union leaders spent more than $1.1 billion on partisan politics during the 2010 election cycle.  The Committee will continue to investigate the growing lack of accountability and transparency in how union leaders take dues money from rank-and-file members and spend that money on political causes many of their own members oppose.

The full report can be found here.

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I would argue that altruism is the worst concept foistered on mankind because of your exact reasoning; it would take perfect people to govern it, and people are not perfect.

itsspideyman on February 14, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Exactly. That’s the same reason pure libertarianism won’t work.

after today we’ll do it just to pi$$ you off cozmo, anything else get on your last frayed nerve?

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Heck, this doesn’t even get on my nerves. Just tryin’ to make you sound less ignorant.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 11:42 AM

All that needs to be done to correct this is make all states right to work states.

harvey1 on February 14, 2012 at 11:38 AM

No, no, no Harvey! Let the losers pick themselves! Texas is chock a block full of very happy former union workers from the rustbelt. A great migration of labor and intellect that has been happening for over 30 years. And you know what? You don’t ever hear of unions making a stand here do you?

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 11:45 AM

it is people who assume communism is “altruistic” who are easily beguiled into following populist leaders towards socialism.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 11:38 AM

No, it is people who cannot tell the difference between communism and totalitarian socialism (or intentionally sugarcoat totalitarian socialism with communism) that move folks unknowingly towards totalitarian socialism.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Ok, personal insults mean the end of productive conversation. Adios!

pm123 on February 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Raises??? We’re you referring to that deeply red state…Rhode Island??

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 11:48 AM

In Illinois very few of the groceries(Wal-Marts excluded)-are non-union. If you want a job @ a grocery-you must join the union(UFCW).
In TX-working art a Wal-mart-I’m getting more hours and bigger paychecks than I EVER received in the unionized groceries.
Most-if not ALL-of the groceries…even the teachers…are non-unionized.
We Texans like our freedom.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 14, 2012 at 11:48 AM

No, it is people who cannot tell the difference between communism and totalitarian socialism (or intentionally sugarcoat totalitarian socialism with communism) that move folks unknowingly towards totalitarian socialism.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 11:46 AM

You know that’s not true. Totalitarian socialists ALWAY use the benevolence of COMMUNISM to push their agenda. That’s what they brainwash the kids with. (“it would work, if it was just implemented right (ie. by our party)”) Johnny never comes home saying how his teacher just loves Hitler and Musolinni(sp?).

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 11:53 AM

And none of them understand the lesson of Turkey Day either.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 11:54 AM

No, no, no Harvey! Let the losers pick themselves! Texas is chock a block full of very happy former union workers from the rustbelt. A great migration of labor and intellect that has been happening for over 30 years. And you know what? You don’t ever hear of unions making a stand here do you?

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Agreed. My brother hires for offshore workers and the migration is crazy, especially over the last year. The iceberg priniciple is that only 10% of what’s happening is what you see, the remaining 90% is happening under water. While the employment rate hangs steady at a horrific 8.5%, the migration from union to right-to-work states continues unabated.

And the people that leave are happy to get work.

itsspideyman on February 14, 2012 at 11:55 AM

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Very good, you just made my argument.

Those who describe totalitarian socialism as communism actually want totalitarian socialism.

Whew, that lesson only took a page.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 11:55 AM

SO we all agree that unions were created for worthy, necessary reasons. And yet you’re all proposing that we destroy unions. Don’t you think you’re throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Do you really want to bring the country back to 1900?!

pm123 on February 14, 2012 at 11:10 AM

You have an amazing ability to stack invalid argumentative tactics on top of each other in a single post.

Unfortunately, this does not make your post more valid.

Equivocation: “Unions were created for worthy, necessary reasons” does NOT mean that unions are either necessary or worthy.

Equivocation: “Proposing that we destroy unions” is NOT the same as passing RTW (Right To Work) laws.

Third, “throwing the baby out with the bathwater” is a strikingly inept characterization…especially in the three cases cited in the subject article: can you identify “the baby” in ANY of these cases?

Fourth, you manage to add the (equally invalid) “straw man” argumentative technique to your pile of equivocations. “Bring the country back to 1900″ has not been proposed in either the article or the posts which follow it.

landlines on February 14, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Whew, that lesson only took a page.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 11:55 AM

It’s Valentine’s Day buddy, we’re trying to remind ourselves to pick a card up on the way home. :)

itsspideyman on February 14, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Communism is altruistic.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Altruism – unselfish concern for the welfare of others. Since you’re trying so hard to make us better I guess that makes you a communist. Not that you care of course.

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 11:57 AM

pm123-Unions have a place but they got too enamored of their own power and became a law unto themselves. They have to be curbed before they harm everyone–especially the public sector unions.

jeanie on February 14, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Very good, you just made my argument.

Those who describe totalitarian socialism as communism actually want totalitarian socialism.

Whew, that lesson only took a page.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Um. No. Read again. People who describe communism as altruistic set up the stage for a populist to come in and lead the misinformed to socialism.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Altruism – unselfish concern for the welfare of others. Since you’re trying so hard to make us better I guess that makes you a communist. Not that you care of course.

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Au contraire, mon frère. The concern is almost completely for my own self interest. My desire to remain as free as possible from totalitarian socialism. Helping you helps keep me free.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 12:01 PM

People who describe communism as altruistic set up the stage for a populist to come in and lead the misinformed to socialism.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Communism is altruistic. Calling totalitarian socialism communism is what leads the herd that way.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Communism is altruistic.

OK. We’ll play by your rules.
Since there is such a thing as altruism (and many examples of it), and since you can provide no workable example of communism, please, pray you, explain what is altruistic about communism.

I am sure all the people with Jim Jones will want to know.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 12:21 PM

SO we all agree that unions were created for worthy, necessary reasons. And yet you’re all proposing that we destroy unions. Don’t you think you’re throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Do you really want to bring the country back to 1900?!

pm123 on February 14, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Rain is necessary, but it’s neither necessary nor desireable for rain to fall every day.

How will allowing non-union workers to work alongside union workers destroy unions?

You sound just like a royalist asking how a nation freed from British rule could possibly guarantee her citizens’ rights without a King on the throne to protect them. Kings worked very well until we found a better way. Same for union dominion.

shuzilla on February 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

I once had a beagle that would hang on to a swinging towel as hard as cozmo hangs on to his blinkered thesis. MaGroo’s barking was as tedious as it was unique too.

Peace cozmo, at this point I now care less than you do concerning the nuances of discerning the differences between the isms.

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 10:03 AM

meh

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Actually, more driveway. Check in later

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

OK. We’ll play by your rules.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 12:21 PM

The claim is false.

The rules are the rules, they ain’t mine.

The definitions are easy enough to look up.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

The quote is from a Marxist, but it was used to describe communism.

Can you get any more altruistic than that?

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 12:26 PM

I have a beagle. He scours the yard looking for non-niceties to eat.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Can you get any more altruistic than that?

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Yes. Starting with a basic recognition of human nature. sandstone makes for lousy foundations that are not altruistic to the people who buy the house.

gotta go

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 12:29 PM

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Well, if y’all want to continue to defend totalitarian socialism as communism, go right ahead. But, y’all will continue to be wrong.

I must say though, y’all are some of the better behaved Obama-nation members than most of those here.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 12:39 PM

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Bub I bet there is no day light between us politically but your passion to argue over minutiae is incredible. I bet you’re a hoot at the dinner table. The real ringer is your claim that simply not caring to make the critical distinction between totalitarian socialist communism vs. communistic totalitarian socialism is what will cause the eventual down fall of our society.

No, it is people who cannot tell the difference between communism and totalitarian socialism (or intentionally sugarcoat totalitarian socialism with communism) that move folks unknowingly towards totalitarian socialism.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 11:46 AM

My take is the rejection of liberty as defined in our founding and the notion that everybody deserves equality through outcome is what driving our down fall these days. I’ll let you squab over what you want to call that.

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Once ObamaCare takes effect, a democrat government will try to force healthcare providers, health equipment manufacturers, and drug makers into unions.

jaime on February 14, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Anyone remember the history of the Mayflower and William Bradford? It took them a year to understand communism would be a failure at any level.

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 1:37 PM

My take is the rejection of liberty as defined in our founding and the notion that everybody deserves equality through outcome is what driving our down fall these days.
DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 1:08 PM

ie, socialism.

I’ll let you squab over what you want to call that.

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 1:08 PM

And when a government mandates it eg: totalitarian socialism.

Neither of which is communism.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 1:39 PM

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

The quote is from a Marxist, but it was used to describe communism.

Can you get any more altruistic than that?

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 12:26 PM

So forced labor, to work to the full amount of your ability… without choice or freedom is “altruistic” in your view?

I never considered that… so slavery is truly the greatest good, as we provide food and shelter for the slaves; and in return simply force them to work as hard as we possibly can.

Who knew that Abraham Lincoln was such a selfish jerk ending slavery… we need it back to be more “altruistic”.

Or is it altruistic except for the enslaved forced labor part?

gekkobear on February 14, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 1:37 PM

And it starts all over again.

Its not communism if some of the farm animals are more equal than others.

The financial backers who stayed in the old world wrote up the original contract. They were the “more equal than others”. That would make it indentured servitude socialism. Indentured servitude was a common practice at the time.

The pilgrims only got part of the shares of the original contract.

It wasn’t communism, but the pilgrims showed that free capitalism is better than all other forms of governing in use then, or now.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 1:55 PM

gekkobear on February 14, 2012 at 1:47 PM

someone else ignorant of communism…

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 1:56 PM

It wasn’t communism, but the pilgrims showed that free capitalism is better than all other forms of governing in use then, or now.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 1:55 PM

You keep telling yourself that sport. I’m not buying your defense of communism.

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM

You keep telling yourself that sport. I’m not buying your defense of communism.

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Fair enough, though to explain what something is, is not a defense.

It just is what it is.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Something tells me I may have picked on cozmo in the third grade…

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Fair enough, though to explain what something is, is not a defense.

It just is what it is.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:01 PM

You are the only one here who doesn’t believe you are defending communism.

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM

You are the only one here who doesn’t believe you are defending communism.

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM

That’s okay, I’m in good company. Galileo’s detractors thought they knew what they were talkin’ about too.

Which of these are/were communists?

A) USSR
B) People’s Republic of China
C) North Korea
D) Cuba
E) Venezuela
F) People’s Temple

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM

SO we all agree that unions were created for worthy, necessary reasons. And yet you’re all proposing that we destroy unions. Don’t you think you’re throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Do you really want to bring the country back to 1900?!

pm123 on February 14, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Nonsense. Unions may have had value for a few years around the turn of the last century. Since then very, very comprehensive sets of labor law at all levels of government have made unions no longer necessary.

We need to start by throwing out Wagner.

slickwillie2001 on February 14, 2012 at 2:14 PM

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I don’t accept your premise. All who have practiced anything resembling communism have failed. It will always will fail. The only way to keep it running is by force. That force has always ended in hundreds of millions of death and torture and starvation.

But go ahead and compare your defense of communism to what Galileo could prove with facts concerning the Sun and Earth. You don’t have provable facts. Galileo did.

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM

The only way to keep it running is by force.

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Then it isn’t communism and you don’t pay attention.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Then it isn’t communism and you don’t pay attention.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

You keep saying this. You are a broken record. You have failed to convince. Your failure is just like the failure of communism. You lie to yourself, as you lie to us. Just like leaders lie to themselves and to the masses.

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Something tells me I may have picked on cozmo in the third grade…

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 2:02 PM

:-)

Paybacks a B!tch.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Hey Cozmo:

According to you, we can never truely “know” communism, because to approach it is to distort it (sorry, can’t… stop…laughing) Sort of like the eisenberg uncertainty thing…right????
I’m getting it now.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Hey Cozmo:

According to you, we can never truely “know” communism…

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Only as much as you can “know” a unicorn.

Y’all keep being afraid of something that hasn’t existed, does not exist and can never exist.

Kind of like the commie in your closet.

Your time would be better spent going after threats that exist in the real world.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Unicorns ARE altruistic

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Your time would be better spent going after threats that exist in the real world.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Yet you just can’t help wasting your time defending unicorns, er I mean communism.

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Unicorns ARE altruistic

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 2:52 PM

I will defer to your expertise on that. I’ve never known them to exist in the real world.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Yet you just can’t help wasting your time defending unicorns, er I mean communism.

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Nope, just tryin’ educate those less fortunate.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:56 PM

I’ve never known them to exist in the real world.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Like communism!!!!
See..I AM getting it.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Nope, just tryin’ educate those less fortunate.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Your enthusiasm defending something doesn’t exist is commendable comrade.

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Like communism!!!!
See..I AM getting it.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM

And now we are back to where we were at the top of the page, before you regressed.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Very good, you just made my argument.

Those who describe totalitarian socialism as communism actually want totalitarian socialism.

Whew, that lesson only took a page.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Next maybe, you can work on retention.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Your enthusiasm defending something doesn’t exist is commendable comrade.

Conservative4Ever on February 14, 2012 at 3:02 PM

You however, still need work on comprehension.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Again Cozmo

I must thank you for the enlightenment. Shovelling the drive has never been so fun. Now I am in an exceptionally good mood upon the eventual return of my wife (who is currently working her fingers to the bone in our own selfish best interests) and tonight we shall go and join in a publicly sanctioned exploitation of some poor schmuck chef (and probably some wait staff too) just so we can lord it over them. Might even throw some loose change their way. Possibly even a buck, cause hey, this has been hysterical.

Much thanks.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Shovelling the drive has never been so fun.

Much thanks.

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM

If its any consolation, it didn’t make mowing the yard any more fun.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Beyond the FACT that unions are heavily supported by the Communist Party USA, unions remain the primary reason goods producers prefer to have all of their products made overseas. Add to that mix all sorts of assinine EPA and other regulation, it’s no small wonder producers produce elsewhere. Unions and DoltocRATS, the most corrupt relationship in the history of man.

Colatteral Damage on February 14, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Communism is altruistic.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 8:50 AM

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 3:17 PM

man what’s left of that chicken after 6 1/2 hours…

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 4:15 PM

It sure is nice to see that peeps around here will still spend hours uselessly batting around an intellectually tendentious chew toy.

It’s what gives the comments here such a low signal-to-noise ratio.

Seriously, all abuse of language and ideas is self-abuse, and self-abuse is best done alone.

Merovign on February 14, 2012 at 4:21 PM

man what’s left of that chicken after 6 1/2 hours…

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 4:15 PM

That some of y’all can’t tell communism from totalitarianism.

Intentionally going after the wrong target is a bad thing.

Maybe y’all will do better with Shinola.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 4:29 PM

It sure is nice to see that peeps around here will still spend hours uselessly batting around an intellectually tendentious chew toy.

It’s what gives the comments here such a low signal-to-noise ratio.

Seriously, all abuse of language and ideas is self-abuse, and self-abuse is best done alone.

Merovign on February 14, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Or I could go pay to see a Samuel Jackson movie…/s

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Forcing people to join Unions is political corruption at its worst. No one should be forced or have no other option. It all comes down to money and political power of course. It’s a revolving door of money which forces people to finance agendas that which they disagree with.

Yakko77 on February 14, 2012 at 5:23 PM

…Committee published a report…

Get back to me when they upgrade their action to a sternly worded memo, or a slap on the wrist. /sarc

Here is a thought. Change the damn laws!

AnotherOpinion on February 14, 2012 at 5:35 PM

“Forced Unionism.”

That’s Santorum’s voting pattern.

Voted against National Right to Work Law; voted for Davis-Bacon Union Jobs Protectionism at taxpayer’s expense.

Why does Ed Morrissey LOVE UNIONS SO MUCH?

mountainaires on February 14, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Why does Congress need committee after committee to investigate what we already know? With the track record of the GOP since 2010, this is nothing more than smoke and mirrors in the hopes of gaining support of those of us who helped them, and now regret, take back the House.

They lied before, they’ll do it again.

madmonkphotog on February 14, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Communism, even the sort that has never existed and cannot exist, is not altruistic at all. Because it requires taking things from one group of people and giving them to another group of people. Altruism, instead, involves giving of yourself to someone else. And that is the difference.

Communism: Poke you to stroke them.
Altruism: Stroking them on your own.

That cozmo, in his hog-wild defense of communism, cannot be brought to understand this is an intellectual and emotional failing on cozmo’s part.

John Hitchcock on February 14, 2012 at 9:19 PM

That cozmo, in his hog-wild defense of communism, cannot be brought to understand this is an intellectual and emotional failing on cozmo’s part.

John Hitchcock on February 14, 2012 at 9:19 PM

And it shows your ignorance of communism versus socialism.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Rick Santorum is a long time supporter of Unions. Look at his voting record:

Voted against National Right to Work Act
Voted against Real of Davis-Bacon Prevailing union wages
Voted for Alexis Herman to be Secretary of Labor
Voted for mandatory Federal child care funding
Voted for Trade Adjustment Assistance.
Voted for Job Corps funding
Voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization
Voted against allowing a waiver of Davis-Bacon in emergency situations.
Voted for minimum wage increases six times here here here here here and here
Voted to require a union representative on an IRS oversight board.
Voted to exempt IRS union representative from criminal ethics laws.
Voted against creating independent Board of Governors to investigate IRS abuses.

Thanks to Santorum’s support of Unions, it makes it easier for Unions to strong arm people in to paying their union dues.

Conservative Samizdat on February 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM

And look how well unions are doing Samizdat. Santorum isn’t running on currying favor with unions anymore.

DanMan on February 15, 2012 at 2:08 PM

And look how well unions are doing Samizdat. Santorum isn’t running on currying favor with unions anymore.

DanMan on February 15, 2012 at 2:08 PM

But he supported them in the past. Yet, conservatives aren’t bothered by this on the same level that they’re upset with RomneyCare.

There’s no reason why a “conservative” like Santorum supported a Union and did so regularly.

Conservative Samizdat on February 16, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Y’all keep being afraid of something that hasn’t existed, does not exist and can never exist.

Kind of like the commie in your closet.

Your time would be better spent going after threats that exist in the real world.

cozmo on February 14, 2012 at 2:45 PM

So Don’t fear communism, ass it can’t exist… although there are people “North Korea, USSR, etc. who claim to sue communism, and they’ve killed hundreds of millions of people brutally.

So fear people who think they want communism, which doesn’t exist; and push for communism, which doesn’t exist…

Which is different from fearing actual communism, almost nothing at all because there is no actual communism.

So I still fear people who try to push communism, because although they’re wrong in thinking what they’re pushing is communism, I’m right that what they’re pushing has already gotten hundreds of millions of innocent people killed.

You’re needlessly complicating things, while not actually moving the position of where I’m at to the position of where you think I need to be. Was this useful?

It just is what it is.

And before we can figure that out, we need the meaning of IS … OMG, you’re Bill Clinton aren’t you?

That explains why you never seem to actually say anything that has any meaning or value.

gekkobear on February 17, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Wow, need to fix the typo’s before I submit next time… “as” “use” … bleh.

gekkobear on February 17, 2012 at 5:59 PM

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