The curious link between MMFA and the White House war on Fox

posted at 9:50 am on February 14, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Apparently, the people at Media Matters take the term “investigative journalism” seriously — even if they misunderstand it.  According to a September 2009 e-mail obtained by Tucker Carlson at the Daily Caller, Media Matters Director of Media Relations Karl Frisch proposed to founder David Brock and MMFA president Eric Burns that the organization conduct a campaign to “embarrass and discredit” Fox News, which Frisch called the “enemy” which the progressive movement needed after winning the presidency and control of Congress.  Among the ideas Frisch proposed was hiring private investigators to dig up dirt on Fox News anchors and staff:

A little after 1 p.m. on Sept. 29, 2009, Karl Frisch emailed a memo to his bosses, Media Matters for America founder David Brock and president Eric Burns. In the first few lines, Frisch explained why Media Matters should launch a “Fox Fund” whose mission would be to attack the Fox News Channel.

“Simply put,” Frisch wrote, “the progressive movement is in need of an enemy. George W. Bush is gone. We really don’t have John McCain to kick around any more. Filling the lack of leadership on the right, Fox News has emerged as the central enemy and antagonist of the Obama administration, our Congressional majorities and the progressive movement as a whole.”

“We must take Fox News head-on in a well funded, presidential-style campaign to discredit and embarrass the network, making it illegitimate in the eyes of news consumers.”

What Frisch proceeded to suggest, however, went well beyond what legitimate presidential campaigns attempt. “We should hire private investigators to look into the personal lives of Fox News anchors, hosts, reporters, prominent contributors, senior network and corporate staff,” he wrote.

After that, Frisch argued, should come the legal assault: “We should look into contracting with a major law firm to study any available legal actions that can be taken against Fox News, from a class action law suit to defamation claims for those wronged by the network. I imagine this would be difficult but the right law firm is bound to find some legal ground for us to take action against the network.”

Did MMFA actually put Frisch’s plan into action?  At the moment, the answer appears to be no, at least not in terms of hiring the investigators.  In the two-plus years since Frisch’s e-mail, MMFA hasn’t dropped a personal bomb on anyone from Fox.  The lawsuits haven’t piled up, either.   They have sent trackers to public events and bitterly criticized Fox’s reporting, but that’s a legitimate form of activism, if often tedious and tiresome.

What is interesting about this memo is the timing.  Yesterday, I wrote that the true red flag in The DC’s exposé wasn’t the fact that MMFA successfully got its message out via the media; lots of orgs manage to do that, including some we like, and reporters/commentators like Ben Smith and Greg Sargent didn’t do anything the rest of us eschew.  The real issue was the fact that MMFA did that while coordinating closely with the White House, which prompted the question of whether Barack Obama and his staff weren’t really the hands pulling the strings on its MMFA marionette.

So what was going on at the White House at the time that Frisch sent this memo to Brock?  It was just within days that Obama and his administration launched their weird war on Fox News.  On October 11th, White House communications chief Anita Dunn — one of MMFA’s main contacts at the White House — went on a nine-minute tirade about Fox on CNN, calling it “an arm of the GOP.”   On October 12th, Fox announced that the White House had told them a week earlier that Obama would not do an interview with their network.  The same day, John Nichols at The Nation — a leading progressive magazine — called Obama the “Whiner in Chief” over the ongoing battle with Fox.  Obama himself joined the attack on October 22nd, complaining that Fox was more like a talk-radio station than a news outlet.  Only after this ill-advised war began to unsettle more friendly media outlets and expose the President to gales of criticism over the spectacle of the government launching an attack on a media outlet did the White House retreat at the end of the month from the war they had started.

This looks like a strong circumstantial case for coordination between MMFA and the White House, and once again, it’s not entirely clear just which of the two ran the show.  It’s getting pretty easy to connect the dots and see the outline of a covert attempt to influence and bully the media through sock-puppetry with MMFA.  If the White House war on Fox had gotten a more sympathetic reaction, I wonder whether that army of PIs would have been deployed.

Update: Fox News Insider picked up this post early this afternoon.  I thought they might take an interest in it.


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Now see here, PBHO didn’t actually fail to close Gitmo if the left can prove that the FOX anchor reporting that fact got stupid drunk at a party 10 years ago.

Media Matters: Changing reality one unscrupulous story at a time.

Bishop on February 14, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Maybe Fox should take MMFAs plan and use it against them.

Karma. But, on the other hand, how in the hell do you shame or embarrass a libtard?

BobMbx on February 14, 2012 at 9:55 AM

This coordination is a surprise? To whom?

publiuspen on February 14, 2012 at 9:55 AM

MMFA is tax exempt organisation. What’s being done to repeal their tax exempt status? They are nothing more than a progressive propaganda arm.

Dr Evil on February 14, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Nothing new.

En route back to the States after his Weltkaiser Berlin free sausage and beer public address, Alinsky Obama perfectly illustrated the targeting of the Fox press corp journalist Major Garrett for public ridicule from peers Obama’s media pussies, Barack trying to instigate a cat fight on flight.

maverick muse on February 14, 2012 at 9:58 AM

What’s being done to repeal their tax exempt status?

Dr Evil on February 14, 2012 at 9:56 AM

This.

Fallon on February 14, 2012 at 9:59 AM

They controlled both houses and the White House and still felt the need to do an all out attack on Fox News? What would this country be like if these people actually had their way and did what ever they wanted to do? I have a feeling I’d be in a concentration camp somewhere.

kam582 on February 14, 2012 at 10:00 AM

MMFA is tax exempt organisation. What’s being done to repeal their tax exempt status? They are nothing more than a progressive propaganda arm.

Dr Evil on February 14, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Electing a Republican in 2012 would be a good start.

MMFA isn’t losing their tax-exempt status while Obama is in office, but the Catholic Church might if he gets upset that they’re fighting him over a First Amendment issue.

teke184 on February 14, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Dr Evil on February 14, 2012 at 9:56 AM

As if being “fair and balanced” is legally required of tax exempt organizations, of the press in general, of any blog or individual.

maverick muse on February 14, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Anybdoy ever see Karl Frisch on TV? He comes across like the resident playground booger eater who talks tough when his older brother is around to protect him.

radjah shelduck on February 14, 2012 at 10:01 AM

teke184 on February 14, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Fatwa v. Fatwa

maverick muse on February 14, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Shades of Alinsky

WordsMatter on February 14, 2012 at 10:03 AM

I wonder whether that army of PIs would have been deployed.

Mmmmmmmmmmm…army of PIs!

WashJeff on February 14, 2012 at 10:03 AM

What’s being done to repeal their tax exempt status?

Dr Evil on February 14, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Good point — Levin was talking about the same last night: wonder if Landmark’s going after them any time soon…

affenhauer on February 14, 2012 at 10:04 AM

There is no truth to this whatsoever.

The only truth I know of media corruption is Fox news refusing to cover Iraq at the height of the violence and being used as a propaganda mouth peace for the Illegal war which was never declared

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Possibly, they DID deploy their army of investigators, who were unable to find any legitimate reasons to criticize Fox News.

Mr. Prodigy on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Capt. Renault is shocked, shocked.

either orr on February 14, 2012 at 10:07 AM

being used as a propaganda mouth peace for the Illegal war which was never declared

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Iraq? Or Libya..?

affenhauer on February 14, 2012 at 10:08 AM

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

“I don’t like it, so it isn’t true!” /Stomps widdle feet.

Mord on February 14, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Some of the Media Matters insiders really want to get rid of David Brock…he must be nuts.

d1carter on February 14, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Remember when some “plumbers” plundered DNC campaingn offices in DC looking for dirt on opposition candidates and their associates? What ever became of them?

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 10:10 AM

If the shoe were on the other foot, and Fox News was “coordinating” with the White House to “take down” Progressive media…the howls of protest would raise the dead all across the globe.

But, this planned, coordinated attack, with White House complicity, an assault on the First Amendment by the President…and other than a few “conservative” blogs or so…where is the protest?

Have we become so passive as to allow and witness our own demise without a whimper because it cuts in to the Super Bowl, or the Grammies, or the latest episode of American Idol?

I’m getting older, and health is a major issue and I’d at least like to meet my end safe in the knowledge that the Republic continues, that the values with which I led my life, and for which I devoted most of my adult life, will endure. That my kids and grand kids have a future…a good and decent future.

Doesn’t seem like they will endure.

coldwarrior on February 14, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Bishop on February 14, 2012 at 9:54 AM

See what a screw-up I am!
I try to do it for him…mess up…and I can just hear him…
” SLACKERS!….Looks like I’m just going to have to do this… myself!”

KOOLAID2 on February 14, 2012 at 10:11 AM

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

How did you feel about CBS and Dan Rather blatantly lying about Bush? Or the NYT refusing to run stories on the John Edwards scandal while running a bogus story hinting that McCain was having an affair?

Flange on February 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Social Justice was juxtaposed over Equality Under Constitutional Law by “our” activist Judicial Branch that usurps powers illegitimately. What achievement is expected as authoritarianism trickles down and up simultaneously?

White House War on FOX The Constitution

maverick muse on February 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM

which was never declared (Iraq)
 
liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

 
And to think your vote counts the same as mine.

rogerb on February 14, 2012 at 10:13 AM

I wonder whether that army of PIs would have been deployed.

I’m betting they did deploy and a “major law firm” probably saw the danger in this and their price was astronomical.

docflash on February 14, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Coordination between the WH and a marxist media organization? Was there ever any doubt? And that goes for the entire LSM, or the SOTUS as they accurately could be called (Stenographers of the United States).

TXUS on February 14, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Fox News, which Frisch called the “enemy” which the progressive movement needed after winning the presidency and control of Congress.

Welcome to 1984.

Fox was merely chosen as the left’s “Emmanuel Goldstein” and frequent bouts of Two Minutes Hate were sent in their direction. The evidence of that is quite clear.

ted c on February 14, 2012 at 10:15 AM

being used as a propaganda mouth peace for the Illegal war which was never declared

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Iraq? Or Libya..?

affenhauer on February 14, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Lol, I think they covered both. I guess they’re fair and balanced after all, eh lib4life?

Mitch Rapp on February 14, 2012 at 10:16 AM

If the shoe were on the other foot,

it would cause discomfort. Elitists do not tolerate their own discomfort, that being what they force upon others via MANDATED PURCHASES and taxation.

maverick muse on February 14, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Well, there was Soros/MM/Brock’s successful campaign against Glen Beck, involving a Revrint Jesse Jackson-style Goon Squad Shakedown racket, i.e., calling corporations and threatening to boycott them if they continued to sponsor, or ever dared to sponsor Beck. This, combined with Ailes’s intended long march to the Left, was said to be the proximate cause of Beck’s departure from Fox.

(And I have never been a Beck fan, rarely tuning Beck’s program on, mostly because he was exhausting to watch and listen to.)

Scriptor on February 14, 2012 at 10:16 AM

There is no truth to this whatsoever.

The only truth I know of media corruption is Fox news refusing to cover Iraq at the height of the violence and being used as a propaganda mouth peace for the Illegal war which was never declared

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

I’d like to leave you with one thought…*Lybia*…unfortunatley, I don’t think you have anywhere to put it!

KOOLAID2 on February 14, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Emmanuel Goldstein is a character in George Orwell’s classic dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. He is the number one enemy of the people according to Big Brother and the Party, who heads a mysterious and possibly fictitious anti-party organization called The Brotherhood. Despite being a key part of the story, he is only actually seen and heard on telescreen, and may in fact be nothing more than a useful propaganda fabrication of the Ministry of Truth.

However, Goldstein’s persona as an enemy of the state serves to distract, unite and focus the anger of the people of Oceania. Ostensibly, Goldstein serves an important role as both a convenient scapegoat for the totalitarian regime in 1984, and justifying reason for more military buildup, surveillance and elimination of civil liberties.

ted c on February 14, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Liberal4life types hear Obama insult the American people when he declares that dropping bombs on a country is not a ‘hostile’ action and these idiots ACTUALLY believe it. They have been taught to be able to believe whatever insanity their leaders tell them to believe and then they’ll call you stupid for not believing the lie.

GardenGnome on February 14, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Next question I haven’t seen asked…isn’t Media Matters covered under the tax exempt status? This clearly is a partisan organization that should not be exempt. I’m sure the main stream media is looking into it in 3….2….1….crickets chirp!

SPGuy on February 14, 2012 at 10:19 AM

There are forms of tax exemption that will allow them to do this. It depends under what section they received their tax exemption. As a 501(c)3, they could not do this. However, there are 527s. It would be interesting to find under what section they were allowed tax exemption.

Voter from WA State on February 14, 2012 at 10:16 AM

They are a 501(c)(3).

http://mediamatters.org/p/about_us/

Fezzik on February 14, 2012 at 10:20 AM

On October 11th, White House communications chief Anita Dunn — one of MMFA’s main contacts at the White House — went on a nine-minute tirade about Fox on CNN, calling it “an arm of the GOP.”

Ed, did Anita go 7 minutes too long???

ted c on February 14, 2012 at 10:20 AM

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

You know how to use Wiki, right?

The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1] Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq.

Fallon on February 14, 2012 at 10:20 AM

And to think your vote counts the same as mine.

rogerb on February 14, 2012 at 10:13 AM

rogerb …People have to take a test to get a driver’s license…shouldn’t they have to get a license, for being that dumb?

KOOLAID2 on February 14, 2012 at 10:21 AM

ted c on February 14, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Under the spreading chestnut tree
I sold you and you sold me—

tom daschle concerned on February 14, 2012 at 10:21 AM

The coordination between the White House and the MSM has been quite clear from way back in the primary. Some of it is voluntary – Barky says something stupid (“millionaires and billionaires”) and then they all repeat it like drones, pretending that it’s a long-used classic term – but much of it was also very clearly organized. We even knew about the daily morning meetings between the White House and a few MSM “reporters”.

I don’t see how anyone can claim to not have seen all this and understood that it obviously went on.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 14, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Karma. But, on the other hand, how in the hell do you shame or embarrass a libtard?

BobMbx on February 14, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Accuse them of supporting the troops.

Bishop on February 14, 2012 at 10:22 AM

There is no truth to this whatsoever.

The only truth I know of media corruption is Fox news refusing to cover Iraq at the height of the violence and being used as a propaganda mouth peace for the Illegal war which was never declared

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

LOL, I picture you with your fingers in your ears, shouting “La, La, La, La, I can’t hear you!!!” as you wrote this.

mbs on February 14, 2012 at 10:22 AM

There are actually two things that could come into play depending on how intensive the coordination between MMFA and the WH was.

1) MMFA tax exempt status as noted

2) WH violation of campaign laws if that coordination include anything to do with the PAC MMFA runs.

I love the smell of FOIAs in the morning.

CommentGuy on February 14, 2012 at 10:22 AM

It’s getting pretty easy to connect the dots and see the outline of a covert attempt to influence and bully the media through sock-puppetry with MMFA.

Journalists, journalism students, schools of journalism, and schools which have schools of journalism, listen up. If you cannot foresee that this evidence right here won’t turn you guys into mind-numbed stenographers who will do the bidding of people who will lie to you and call it for your own good, then it is time for a freaking wake up call. What is the matter with you? Stand up and be courageous and take back the profession of journalism from this top-heavy, centrally controlled lie machine.

ted c on February 14, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Scandal.
Congressional Investigations.

Question: Any FCC or election or non-profit organization rules forbidding this type of collaboration between the White House and MMFA (aka George Soros) ???

albill on February 14, 2012 at 10:24 AM

The only truth I know of media corruption is Fox news refusing to cover Iraq at the height of the violence and being used as a propaganda mouth peace for the Illegal war which was never declared

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

I dont remember Fox failing to cover violence i Iraq–just the opposite. I do however remember that Eason Jordan, head of CNN confessed in the NYT that CNN had deliberately covered up Saddam’s atrocities in order to maintain access. One of their informants was beaten everyday for 30 days, then dismembered and left in a plastic bag on her father’s doorstep.

I also remember Jordan being forced to resign because he lied at a conference about US soldiers targeting reporters.

Also, see the Tailwind scandal. Get back to me when Fox does anything as corrupt as CNN has done. And CNN is just one example. Don’t forget Jayson Blair, and several New Republic scandals too.

juliesa on February 14, 2012 at 10:24 AM

which prompted the question of whether Barack Obama and his staff weren’t really the hands pulling the strings on its MMFA marionette.

Actually, that would be George Soros pulling the strings.

MMFA = the real Digital Brown Shirts.

rbj on February 14, 2012 at 10:24 AM

There is no truth to this whatsoever.

The only truth I know of media corruption is Fox news refusing to cover Iraq at the height of the violence and being used as a propaganda mouth peace for the Illegal war which was never declared

Aquote from today’s Media Matters press release/talking points to provided earlier today to all paid up members?

coldwarrior on February 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Rico act between Obama and MMFA…

albill on February 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM

media corruption is Fox news refusing to cover Iraq at the height of the violence

And to think your vote counts the same as mine.

rogerb on February 14, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Having failed to address the criticism against poor journalism, you’d prefer the critic have no voice, being a lesser person than yourself?

Neoconservatism plays as authoritarian.

FOX has yet to fund and publish the valid journalism accomplished by Michael Yon, or to take up the cause for our injured troops being denied the most efficient use of medivac by official brass.

maverick muse on February 14, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Just one more sordid, sleazy, pitiable reason to dropkick this “wretched hive of scum and villainy” out of the country’s first residence.

stukinIL4now on February 14, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Rico act between Obama and MMFA…

albill on February 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Lame, no one applied RICO charges against Obama to date. Obama will claim immunity to RICO given precedence established by corruption.

maverick muse on February 14, 2012 at 10:31 AM

juliesa on February 14, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Well, in all fairness…Frustrated4life was probably in the 5th grade when all that was going on…

BigWyo on February 14, 2012 at 10:32 AM

What would this country be like if these people actually had their way and did what ever they wanted to do? I have a feeling I’d be in a concentration camp somewhere.

kam582 on February 14, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Since these are the same people who came up with the euphemism ‘man-caused disasters’ in lieu of ‘terrorist attacks’, they wouldn’t call them ‘concentration camps’. Too many negative associations.

Orwell was right. Tyranny begins with language. Change words, you manipulate perceptions. Manipulate perceptions, you control meaning. Control meaning, you confine thought to boundaries you establish. Take away the word entirely, and the concept disappears, replaced only with the vague, disquieting sense that a word should be there.

Please note not once (to my knowledge) has President Obama or any of his officials, high or low, ever used the word liberty.

troyriser_gopftw on February 14, 2012 at 10:32 AM

“Simply put,” Frisch wrote, “the progressive movement is in need of an enemy.

Why doesn’t Media Matters drop all the pretense and just make Emmanuel Goldstein the enemy?

At least that way they wouldn’t have to keep expending all that time and energy looking for new ones. Why re-invent the wheel?

MessesWithTexas on February 14, 2012 at 10:33 AM

If they are 501(c)(3), they should lose their tax exemption for these actions if they carried through with these discussions. Not the threat of going after Fox. Only if there is actual evidence that it was done. Thinking and discussing about doing it won’t be enough.

Voter from WA State on February 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Brock’s public statements about what MMFA’s goals are should be enough to yank their tax status. I don’t why the orgs I belong have to obey the rules, but they don’t.

juliesa on February 14, 2012 at 10:33 AM

What would this country be like if these people actually had their way and did what ever they wanted to do? I have a feeling I’d be in a concentration camp somewhere.

kam582 on February 14, 2012 at 10:00 AM

No you wouldn’t. You would be out there with the rest of us taking it back.

Bishop on February 14, 2012 at 10:36 AM

I don’t why the orgs I belong have to obey the rules, but they don’t.

juliesa on February 14, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Or, in standard English, I don’t know why the orgs I belong to have to obey the rules.

juliesa on February 14, 2012 at 10:36 AM

In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.

“Greg Sargent [of the Washington Post] will write anything you give him. He was the go-to guy to leak stuff.”

“Ben Smith [formerly of Politico, now at http://BuzzFeed.com will take stories and write what you want him to.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/13/my-top-10-favorite-parts-of-the-daily-callers-story-on-media-matters/#ixzz1mN4BTwEH

ted c on February 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Sunshine… sunshine on the Soros makes me happy…

ajacksonian on February 14, 2012 at 10:39 AM

There is no truth to this whatsoever.

The only truth I know of media corruption is Fox news refusing to cover Iraq at the height of the violence and being used as a propaganda mouth peace for the Illegal war which was never declared

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Thanks for helping most of us appear even more sane.

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on February 14, 2012 at 10:40 AM

However, it does tick me off that a church has to keep quiet on something that is abhorrent to their teachings . . . such as same sex marriage that is being forced on my state. My pastor cannot say one thing about it.

Voter from WA State on February 14, 2012 at 10:40 AM

It must not be a “black church”. They preach politics from the pulpit every Sunday.
Some people are more equal than others ya know.

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on February 14, 2012 at 10:43 AM

The only truth I know of media corruption is Fox news refusing to cover Iraq at the height of the violence and being used as a propaganda mouth peace for the Illegal war which was never declared

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

The truth is a stranger to some.

ted c on February 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM

I first started reading David Brock when he worked for Emmett Tyrell at the American Spectator. Even though I agreed with much of what he wrote about people like Anita Hill and the Clintons, when I saw him in public, he gave me the creeps. Then one day, I opened a cop of Esquire to a picture of him, stripped down to his underwear, tied to a tree, with arrows stuck in his body. The religious/sexual imagery was obvious. I had known he was gay for quite some time, but I didn’t know he was mentally ill, or a drug user, or an obvious paranoic until I read Tucker’s article. All of this makes Media Matters a really dangerous organization. I think all you ever have to know about MSNBC is that enabled two mentally ill people to have a disproportionate influence on political discourse: Keith Olbermann and Brock. As Ginni Thomas, wife of Justice Thomas, once said, we should all pray for him.

senor on February 14, 2012 at 10:49 AM

It doesn’t work that way. I spent 15 years working in non-profits and worked on the legal side of non-profits. The IRS will not pull tax exemption unless there is proof that they actually violated their purposes as stated. Just talking about going after Fox and conservatives isn’t enough. You have to have the proof that they actually took action.

However, it does tick me off that a church has to keep quiet on something that is abhorrent to their teachings . . . such as same sex marriage that is being forced on my state. My pastor cannot say one thing about it.

Voter from WA State on February 14, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Maybe so, but the orgs on whose boards I serve are scrupulous about not mentioning political parties to candidates, while advocating for issues. It’s legal to lobby on issues, but not parties or candidates. Also, an org cannot spend a spend a substantial amount of its money and time lobbying. The orgs I belong to log all the man-hours and funds spent for lobbying, and make sure it doesn’t exceed a certain percent of the total.

So I think it’s legal for the churches to speak out against marriage laws and the like, but not if they advocate for or against any candidate or party.

juliesa on February 14, 2012 at 10:51 AM

juliesa on February 14, 2012 at 10:51 AM

oops, blockquotefail.

juliesa on February 14, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Please note not once (to my knowledge) has President Obama or any of his officials, high or low, ever used the word liberty.

troyriser_gopftw on February 14, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Worth repeating.

maverick muse on February 14, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Senor Esquire.

maverick muse on February 14, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Stop dreaming, comrades. Enjoy the new Socialism. Get a union job.

faraway on February 14, 2012 at 10:58 AM

The real issue was the fact that MMFA did that while coordinating closely with the White House, which prompted the question of whether Barack Obama George Soros and his staff weren’t really the hands pulling the strings on its MMFA White House marionette.

Fixed.

Christian Conservative on February 14, 2012 at 10:59 AM

While I enjoy these articls and “scandals” how about we take the gloves off and start making definitive statements concerning the fraud, illegality, non profit violation status, etc. and not beat around the bush.

“looks like/Could be/similarities/coincidence” are wonderful features of a much more sinister and effective message to claim “The WH and Media Matters Engage in Coordinated Fraud”.

Odie1941 on February 14, 2012 at 11:01 AM

There is a quiet rumor going around that Frisch will be the next white house czar. Title will be Fox News Monitor. My hat is off to liberal4life He needs to use a different attack though; his is worn out. But then stupidity is not illegal.

democratsarefools on February 14, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Voter from WA State on February 14, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Thanks, I wasn’t familiar with the “purpose for existence” part. It does bring to mind Father Phleger dissing Hilary clinton and praising Obama from the pulpit. It seems some churches are more equal than others. IIRC, the parish temporarily suspended Phleger, so maybe that’s how they avoided IRS wrath.

juliesa on February 14, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Obama can’t stand on his record to win a re-election. His only way to win is run a campaign and HOPE the public gets disgusted with the opponent and vote for him as the better of the worst choices. It worked for him in Illinois.

TulsAmerican on February 14, 2012 at 11:19 AM

There is no truth to this whatsoever.

The only truth I know of media corruption is Fox news refusing to cover Iraq at the height of the violence and being used as a propaganda mouth peace for the Illegal war which was never declared

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Really, if you are going to whine, whine with intelligence.

Mouth peace = mouthpiece

herm2416 on February 14, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Fox News did the same thing with the Bush White House for 8 years. Had an inside connection, carefully coordinated messages.

It’s not like one side does it and the other side does not. It just appears that Fox was way more slick about it. Not, that it isn’t sleazy.

MMFA should be registered as a PAC though, it shouldn’t be tax exempt. Fox News isn’t.

Moesart on February 14, 2012 at 11:30 AM

On every blog I read there are always 3 or 4 commenters who wittily (NOT)use “faux” news to describe where conservatives get their information, well who is faux now?

oregano on February 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Doesn’t everyone now realize that Brock is a crazy loon.

Hummer53 on February 14, 2012 at 11:44 AM

“Simply put,” Frisch wrote, “the progressive movement is in need of an enemy.

They need an enemy because they don’t have anything else sufficient to keep the proles on the reservation. Tyrants and dictators throughout history have understood the utility of a common enemy as a rallying point to keep the unwashed masses in line.

The fact that these people think and act along these lines illuminates their conceit and their contempt for the people of this country as much as anything else they do. These people share the mindset of some of the most dangerous men in the long, dark history of human evil and human suffering.

novaculus on February 14, 2012 at 11:58 AM

So I think it’s legal for the churches to speak out against marriage laws and the like, but not if they advocate for or against any candidate or party.

juliesa on February 14, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Well, if it’s not legal, then I’m sure things are about to explode in Boston, because Arch Bishop Sean O’Malley gave a sermon to EVERY PARISH and every mass within in the diocese this last Sunday railing against a specific ballot question in the upcoming election in Massachusetts. (Assisted suicide)

Honestly, I find it despicable that corporations have more political freedom than churches. On one hand, I do like the concept of corporate protection for limiting individual liabilities, but this ‘corporation as individual’ concept really bothers me.

Regardless, churches can (I agree), legally, advocate on positions, but not candidates.

WashingtonsWake on February 14, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Illegal war which was never declared

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Simply not true.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:5:./temp/~c107XOTrvV::

NukeRidingCowboy on February 14, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Yeah, that “Media Matters” is really a ‘watchdog’ isn’t it. Hahahahaha! Scumbags.

GarandFan on February 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Media Matters (WH) spread toxic hate.

tinkerthinker on February 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM

There is no truth to this whatsoever.

The only truth I know of media corruption is Fox news refusing to cover Iraq at the height of the violence and being used as a propaganda mouth peace for the Illegal war which was never declared

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Ah, and the No Truth Expert checks in.

First of all, your laughable claim about Faux News. That charge about them “refusing” to cover Iraq at the height of the violence was made by…The Far-Left “Project for Excellence in Journalism”. They Hate Fox News, pure and simple.

On the other hand, your heroes at CNN delighted in showing enemy-supplied video propaganda footage, showing the snipers-eye view of American soldiers just before the sniper pulled the trigger. CNN showed that propaganda in prime time. Why? To make Chimpy Bush look bad.

As for “the Illegal war which was never declared”, it was in fact signed off on by Congress, including many Democrats, one of whom is now Secretary of State. She based her yes vote not on what Bush told her, but what her husband’s intel people briefed her on.

I know you’re much to young to remember that in the entire history of the US, we have only formally declared war 5 times, and the Constitution itself never defined what a “declaration of war” actually is.

Need another shovel?

F-

Del Dolemonte on February 14, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Going Rabid: How Obama’s war on FOX News became a quagmire.

idesign on February 14, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Moesart on February 14, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Moe, giving voice to the other side is one thing, trying to destroy the only outlet that provides it is a other thing. You may want to recalibrate your sense of objectivity.

DanMan on February 14, 2012 at 1:45 PM

There is no truth to this whatsoever.

The only truth I know of media corruption is Fox news refusing to cover Iraq at the height of the violence and being used as a propaganda mouth peace for the Illegal war which was never declared

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM

This is just another clear indication that liberalism is a sickness or dementia. BTW, what’s a mouth “peace”?

HomeoftheBrave on February 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM

The DC’s exposé wasn’t the fact that MMFA successfully got its message out via the media; lots of orgs manage to do that, including some we like, and reporters/commentators like Ben Smith and Greg Sargent didn’t do anything the rest of us eschew.

First of all, who’s the “we” you are referring to? Sargent and Ben Smith are corrupt and biased hacks. Smith is just a little more subtle, and he can con the dimmer wits of the right.

…and how in the hell can you make the ridiculous claim that these two didn’t involve themselves more deeply. It’s not like they’re going to announce it.

I’m sorry, but the fatuousness of the bloggers here just makes my head explode.

beedubya on February 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Those bastards better not go near my Hemmer and my Megyn!

ProudPalinFan on February 14, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Media Matters is violating tax law.
There is now proof that Media Matters is a political advocacy group.
They should not be allowed to keep their 501-3C status.
The question is:
Will the IRS act, or does Media Matters have plants within the IRS?

Mark7788 on February 14, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Well, there was Soros/MM/Brock’s successful campaign against Glen Beck, involving a Revrint Jesse Jackson-style Goon Squad Shakedown racket, i.e., calling corporations and threatening to boycott them if they continued to sponsor, or ever dared to sponsor Beck. This, combined with Ailes’s intended long march to the Left, was said to be the proximate cause of Beck’s departure from Fox.

(And I have never been a Beck fan, rarely tuning Beck’s program on, mostly because he was exhausting to watch and listen to.)

Scriptor on February 14, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Beck has also hinted that one of the reasons he left Fox News was personal threats against his staff, and he didn’t feel they could do enough to protect them. Those threats are likely associated with MM.

Private Investigator says Beck Staff Threatened by Soros Operatives; News Corporation Failed to Protect Employees, Forcing Beck’s Ouster

slickwillie2001 on February 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM

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