NYT/CBS poll shows conservatives consolidating behind Santorum

posted at 9:15 am on February 14, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Consider this a corroboration of Gallup and Pew, both of which have recorded a surge for Rick Santorum that makes him the national frontrunner — if not in each state.  The CBS/New York Times poll shows Santorum gaining 14 points in a single month, eclipsing Mitt Romney by three points (still within the MOE), whose support stayed virtually unchanged from January.  Almost all of the gain comes at the expense of Newt Gingrich, who dropped to fourth place behind Ron Paul among Republican primary voters:

Rick Santorum has pulled slightly ahead of Mitt Romney in Republican primary voters’ preference for the presidential nomination, a national CBS News/New York Times Poll shows.

Ron Paul is now in third, followed by former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

Among self-described conservative voters, the shift has been fairly dramatic.  A month ago in this poll series, conservatives were equally split between Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum at 25/25/24 respectively.  Now, however, Santorum’s support in this demo has risen to 38%, while Romney has remained steady at 24% and Gingrich dropped by about half to 12%.  The same thing has happened to Tea Party support and evangelicals.  The dynamic seems to be a movement away from Gingrich and a consolidation among conservative voters behind Santorum as the alternative to Romney, at least for now.

There are a few things to note about this poll, however.  This is a poll of registered voters, not likely voters, which is not as predictive a model and is a curious sampling choice in the middle of the actual primary voting.  These results come from a larger survey, most of whose results will be announced later.  The overall sample was 1,064 registered voters, but only 331 of those planned to vote in a Republican primary.  At least a few of those will be independents rather than Republicans, so the partisan split of the overall survey is likely to be highly skewed to Democrats.  That doesn’t matter for these results, but a sample of 331 registered voters for a national poll is on the small side.  Keep that in mind.

Now that Santorum has become a legitimate force in the race, he’s getting some attention from the usual suspects.  Member of Occupy Tacoma tried to crash a Santorum event, and Politico reports that Santorum responded by calling them agents of “true intolerance”:

Filling the front row at the Washington State History Museum where Santorum spoke, a group of Occupy protesters disrupted the event, forcing Santorum to engage them. Occupy Tacoma, the local branch of the Occupy Wall Street movement, is camped out right next to the museum, and advertised Santorum’s visit on its web site.

“I think it’s really important for you to understand what this radical element represents, because what they represent is true intolerance,” Santorum said, after two protesters were taken to the ground and placed in handcuffs by police.

The protesters, Santorum suggested, “instead of standing here unemployed, yelling at somebody” should instead “go out and get a job.”

Santorum’s supporters roared their approval, chanting “get a job” back at the Occupiers.

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Could be, but anything that has those two media entities attached to it is worthy of intense skepticism.

rplat on February 14, 2012 at 9:17 AM

In a related story, David Axelrod was seen skipping through meadows gleefully.

inthemiddle on February 14, 2012 at 9:17 AM

I believe it. That’s the chatter among my friends…they like Santorum.

thedevilinside on February 14, 2012 at 9:19 AM

In a related story, David Axelrod was seen skipping through meadows gleefully.

inthemiddle on February 14, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Yeah, if only we’d nominate Romney whom no one’s excited about and most of the base doesn’t trust.

Doughboy on February 14, 2012 at 9:20 AM

The protesters, Santorum suggested, “instead of standing here unemployed, yelling at somebody” should instead “go out and get a job.”

Santorum’s supporters roared their approval, chanting “get a job” back at the Occupiers.

The “get a job” retort is a great way to put them down…every contestant will have to face these fools at every contest.

Rick is on a roll…we will see how far he “rolls”…

right2bright on February 14, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Ok – time to give Little Ricky another look….. I said kicking and screaming.

jake-the-goose on February 14, 2012 at 9:20 AM

The GOP Establishment should have never underestimated Heartland Conservatives.

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:20 AM

NYT/CBS poll shows conservatives consolidating behind Santorum…left of centers and liberals consolidating behind Romney.

Norky on February 14, 2012 at 9:20 AM

But but but…he’s UNELECTABLE!

/swmontgo

fossten on February 14, 2012 at 9:21 AM

“[I will] fight very strongly against libertarian influence within the Republican party and the conservative movement.” Rick Santorum

Why Republicans Must Embrace Libertarian Principles– Sen. Jim Demint
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89kx4hBrBrE

“Rick Santorum could be the George McGovern of his party.” -John Samples

A libertarian cares about individual liberty and thus limited government. Those concerns lead to further commitments to free markets in economics, moral pluralism in culture, and realism and restraint in foreign policy. Government provides a legal order in which individuals pursue their vision of the good life. Politics is more about living together at peace than about making people virtuous.

By his own account, Santorum is anti-libertarian, describing the philosophy as “radical individualism” and a source of cultural decay. He opposes moral pluralism in favor of a society and government that recognizes and acts on Christian virtues. Santorum speaks of free markets, but his cultural commitments are bound to require limits on economic liberty. He also indulges in an economic populism that implies protectionist policies that favor the manufacturing sector. Like many Republicans these days, Santorum also seeks salvation for the Middle East through American military power.

[...]

Rick Santorum is Theocrat, Neo-Con

Since the early 1990s, Christian conservatives have formed an ever larger portion of the GOP. In Santorum, they would have what they have long sought: a candidate embodying their commitments to a politics of faith. Neoconservatives would also have a candidate committed to transforming the world through foreign policy and military action. The Obama-Santorum race would be more than just a struggle for power between two men. It would be a referendum on ideas and policies that have dominated the GOP for more than decade.

I think he would drive more secular and independent voters away from the GOP ticket. A ten-point Republican loss in a year when economic weakness suggested a close race would be a political disaster not just for the candidate and his party but also for the ideas they embody. Rick Santorum could be the George McGovern of his party.

John Samples is director of the Center for Representative Government at the Cato Institute and the author of The Struggle to Limit Government.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/08/is-there-a-libertarian-case-for-rick-santorum/#ixzz1mMeEVEmW

mountainaires on February 14, 2012 at 9:21 AM

I believe it. That’s the chatter among my friends…they like Santorum.

thedevilinside on February 14, 2012 at 9:19 AM

He has taken the “high rode” and many people appreciate that…and it will help Mitt get grounded and start thinking about campaigning as a leader and not an attack dog.

right2bright on February 14, 2012 at 9:21 AM

A work to the Mittbots: Romney gave us Santorum. And put him in the lead.

Marcus on February 14, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Almost all of the gain comes at the expense of Newt Gingrich, who dropped to fourth place behind Ron Paul among Republican primary voters:

Ouch, that hurts!

The dynamic seems to be a movement away from Gingrich and a consolidation among conservative voters behind Santorum as the alternative to Romney, at least for now.

That’s where I’m going, if Gingrich leaves the race.

Flora Duh on February 14, 2012 at 9:22 AM

“One of the things I will talk about that no president has talked about before is I think the dangers of contraception in this country”- Rick Santorum

Jon0815 on February 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Someone tell me what experience santorum has had in the private sector establishing jobs? He lost by over 18 points when he ran for senate. What makes anyone think that he will draw in indies and blue dogs? WITHOUT THEM WE CAN’T WIN! Especially when some of you will sit home.

Bambi on February 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

mountainaires on February 14, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Quit Trolling. You’ve already posted this mini-novel on another thread. You’re swaying no one. You’re viewed as a paid Mittbot.

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Romney Haters might be consolidating, not “conservatives.

Santorum is a retread big government hack, who expanded entitlements, bowed down to unions, delivered millions in pork, and voted for Sonya Sotomayar and other liberals.

These are just irrational Romney Haters, not principled people.

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

At least it’s not Romney, but I still think Newt could make a great pitch for the middle and even non-whacky Dems who are nostalgic about the 1990s. He’d be able to make a great pitch that Obama is not your middle-of-the-road Dem.

BuckeyeSam on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

He has taken the “high rode” and many people appreciate that…and it will help Mitt get grounded and start thinking about campaigning as a leader and not an attack dog.

right2bright on February 14, 2012 at 9:21 AM

It may be too late for Mittens to do that. He’s been campaigning for President for nearly a year and has to really make a positive case for himself outside of his business experience. And even that he refrains from going into too much.

Doughboy on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Okay, so I will vote for Santorum, if I must, BUT about that Ghandi quote at the end…..I sure hope you are referring to conservatives winning….
In other news sometimes the bad guys do finish last, if they finish at all.

bloggless on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Rick Santorum could be the George McGovern Ronald Reagan of his party.

mountainaires on February 14, 2012 at 9:21 AM

See how easy it is to fix silly assertions?

fossten on February 14, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Romney will still be the nominee.

He is the only one with enough money to compete everywhere

liberal4life on February 14, 2012 at 9:25 AM

These are just irrational Romney Haters, not principled people.

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Wrong.

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:25 AM

NYT/CBS poll shows conservatives consolidating behind Santorum…left of centers and liberals consolidating behind Romney.

Norky on February 14, 2012 at 9:20 AM

You won’t need to look at the polls…just watch the threads on here! The gate to the barn is always open here!

KOOLAID2 on February 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Seriously, is it too much to ask for our nominee to be someone whose intellect I respect? It’s bad enough we have the Obama Idiot in the White House, do we need to nominate another room-temperature IQ nitwit with the maturity level of an adolescent to replace him?

On the other hand, I guess Santorum proves “conservatives” don’t really care about the size of government, so long as big government enforces socio-con moral fatwahs against gays and abortion. It wasn’t a fluke that you guys voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976.

I’d like to hope we get to a brokered convention where we might nominate someone like Jindal (hell, I’d even settle for Jeb Bush over these four), but I’m losing hope. The White House is good as Obama’s for four more years.

Thanks, GOP!

DRayRaven on February 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM

“Many in the Christian faith have said, ‘Well, that’s okay … contraception’s okay.’ It’s not okay because it’s a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”- Rick Santorum

Jon0815 on February 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Romney Haters might be consolidating, not “conservatives.

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

So, anybody who doesn’t like Mitt isn’t a conservative?

Wow, what an irrational argument. And totally nonpersuasive.

fossten on February 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

On the other hand, Romney is severely conservative. I know that because he said so.

Bishop on February 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM

mountainaires on February 14, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Here is my suggestion:
Instead of running around, Googling and cut and pasting from other sites, actually try to form an opinion yourself…actually use your own ideas and mind to argue a point.
Your post is a mish-mash of cut and past from the Daily Caller and who knows what else, since you don’t provide links.
I can see why Rick bothers you, anyone that challenges your thought would scare you.
There is a reason that the Libertarians, after decades of trying, have never made an impact on our political system…they are nuts.

right2bright on February 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM

I believe it. That’s the chatter among my friends…they like Santorum.

thedevilinside on February 14, 2012 at 9:19 AM

I believe it, too. Most I’ve talked to here will vote with the guy most likely to defeat Mitt. If Rick stumbles, they will go back to Newt.

flyfisher on February 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Blech. Seriously I can’t believe this is the best we can do.

BLECH!

gophergirl on February 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM

So on this poll we are going to believe NYT/CBS… NYT CBS would love for Santorum to be the nominee. If he’s nominated I will vote for him and he will lose. Forget Independents, conservative dems… we will get 4 more years of the O.

BobScuba on February 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM

On the other hand, Romney is severely conservative. I know that because he said so.

Bishop on February 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM

And, IT’S HIS TUURRRRRNNNNNN!

fossten on February 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM

“One of the things I will talk about that no president has talked about before is I think the dangers of contraception in this country”- Rick Santorum

Jon0815 on February 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

I’m sure you think there’s a point to this non-sequitur post. Care to explain what it is?

Trafalgar on February 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM

He has taken the “high rode” and many people appreciate that…and it will help Mitt get grounded and start thinking about campaigning as a leader and not an attack dog.

right2bright on February 14, 2012 at 9:21 AM

High rode? I guess you haven’t heard Rickie’s speeches.He’s attacking Romney in almost every one.

rich801 on February 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM

So on this poll we are going to believe NYT/CBS… NYT CBS would love for Santorum to be the nominee. If he’s nominated I will vote for him and he will lose. Forget Independents, conservative dems… we will get 4 more years of the O.

BobScuba on February 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM

What has Obama done to win the indy vote? Hmm?

fossten on February 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

I will do whatever I can for Rick if he is the nominee. When NC comes around in the primary, if there is still a race, I will vote for whoever is the one with the best chance of beating Romney here. A May primary is bs though.

Southernblogger on February 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Santorum 30
Romney 27
Paul 12
Gingrich 10

Republicans are trading Newt in for a younger candidate.

This is the same thing Newt does with wives.

Emperor Norton on February 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

***

These are just irrational Romney Haters, not principled people.

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Yeah, right./

BuckeyeSam on February 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

NYT/CBS poll shows conservatives consolidating behind Santorum

A nomination, if he can keep it.

Doomberg on February 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

The protesters, Santorum suggested, “instead of standing here unemployed, yelling at somebody” should instead “go out and get a job.”

And where are the jobs that he is talking about ,(it’s like let them eat cake), how many jobs has he created since left the Senate?

evergreenland on February 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Someone tell me what experience santorum has had in the private sector establishing jobs? He lost by over 18 points when he ran for senate. What makes anyone think that he will draw in indies and blue dogs? WITHOUT THEM WE CAN’T WIN! Especially when some of you will sit home.

Bambi on February 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

I hate to say it, but when’s the last time private sector experience made a difference in a Presidential campaign? Obama had none. Neither did his challengers, McCain and Clinton(or Edwards for that matter). Kerry didn’t have any. Bush’s was a joke. Dude couldn’t hack it in the oil industry in Texas for chrissakes! Clinton didn’t have any. Bush 41 didn’t. Reagan’s private sector experience consisted of acting.

Seriously, when does that make a difference to the electorate in Presidential politics? Don’t get me wrong. I wish it did. But unfortunately most voters seem far more comfortable with career politicians than businessmen being the Commander-in-Chief.

Doughboy on February 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

This thread started at 09:15, 14 Feb 2012

PLENTY of time to run the ‘post count’ up to 1000+, by midnite.

listens2glenn on February 14, 2012 at 9:30 AM

flyfisher on February 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Howdy, neighbor. Folks down here in Dixie just don’t seem to care for Mitt. They don’t trust him. And, it’s not his Mormonism.

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Thanks, GOP!

DRayRaven on February 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM

So an MBA with honors, and a degree in law, and passing the bar is not enough “academics” for you?

Seriously, is it too much to ask for our nominee to be someone whose intellect I respect?

With your posts, it is obvious they are not concerned about your “respect”, I think they appeal to someone with a little more intellectual capacity…

right2bright on February 14, 2012 at 9:30 AM

No to Santorum.
No how. No way.
He has absolutely no economics chops.

onlineanalyst on February 14, 2012 at 9:31 AM

The GOP Establishment should have never underestimated Heartland Conservatives.

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:20 AM

On the other hand, the Democrat Establishment hasn’t underestimated Heartland Conservatives at all.

Mr. Arkadin on February 14, 2012 at 9:31 AM

awesome – a guy who has no executive experience – seems we already have one of those in the WH right now

gatorboy on February 14, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Something’s happening on the way to Romney’s coronation. Santorum is severely challenging him.

BuckeyeSam on February 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Pack it up. Time to head home and brace ourselves for the blood bath that will be November.

It would make more sense to start preparing for 2016. We’ve lost this year.

1996 anyone?

MoreTeaPlease on February 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Aw yeah. I’m not for anything Santorum is for. Heavens NO.
.
.
I just HATE Mitt.

listens2glenn on February 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM

These are just irrational Romney Haters, not principled people.

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

After studying Romney for years now, he seems to be guided by his narcisstic ambition, not principle. He will do or say whatever necessary to achieve his personal goals. He doesn’t offer a set clear set of guiding principles to the Party or the Nation. He merely offers himself.

flyfisher on February 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Pack it up. Time to head home and brace ourselves for the blood bath that will be November.

It would make more sense to start preparing for 2016. We’ve lost this year.

MoreTeaPlease on February 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM

And you base that on….?

Doughboy on February 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Don’t understand… Are you saying that the Occupy Movement is winning becasue we’ve laughed at them and are now fighting them?

Or are you talking about the Tea Party?

GadsdenRattlers on February 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

It would make more sense to start preparing for 2016. We’ve lost this year.

MoreTeaPlease on February 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Yeah, there ya go! There’s that fighting spirit! Run away! Run away!

Trafalgar on February 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

On the other hand, the Democrat Establishment hasn’t underestimated Heartland Conservatives at all.

Mr. Arkadin on February 14, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Actually, they did.

Read American History. Heartland Conservatives used to be Democrats. Then, the part veered to the extreme left and a man named Reagan came along…and everything changed.

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

And where are the jobs that he is talking about ,(it’s like let them eat cake), how many jobs has he created since left the Senate?

evergreenland on February 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Maybe his bigger point is that if you have the time and resources to spend shouting down those you disagree with, perhaps it would be better spent trying to find gainful employment.

Bishop on February 14, 2012 at 9:35 AM

I have never seen a worse candidate in my life on the republican side who actually has a chance for the nomination.

I think the only time I will agree with Ron Paul is when he said Santorum isn’t a Reagan Republican.

This guy is way over his head.

tomas on February 14, 2012 at 9:35 AM

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ConservativeLaw on February 14, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Read American History. Heartland Conservatives used to be Democrats. Then, the part veered to the extreme left and a man named Reagan came along…and everything changed.

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

That depends on what you mean by “heartland.” My home state (South Dakota) has been firmly Republican since its founding in 1889. :P

gryphon202 on February 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Santorum is not a small-government conservative. He’s a big-government nanny-state Republican.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/326679.php

Good Lt on February 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Feel the UNION-love.

They truly can be stupid.

stenwin77 on February 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Yeah, there ya go! There’s that fighting spirit! Run away! Run away!

Trafalgar on February 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

“But that’s no ordinary rabbit. That’s the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on.”

Doughboy on February 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM

I believe it. That’s the chatter among my friends…they like Santorum.

thedevilinside on February 14, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Ditto here

Deafdog on February 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM

He has absolutely no economics chops.

onlineanalyst on February 14, 2012 at 9:31 AM

I hate to say it, but when’s the last time private sector experience made a difference in a Presidential campaign? Obama had none. Neither did his challengers, McCain and Clinton(or Edwards for that matter). Kerry didn’t have any. Bush’s was a joke. Dude couldn’t hack it in the oil industry in Texas for chrissakes! Clinton didn’t have any. Bush 41 didn’t. Reagan’s private sector experience consisted of acting.

Doughboy on February 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Try again. There are PLENTY of valid arguments to be made against InSantorum, but this isn’t one of them.

MelonCollie on February 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM

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ConservativeLaw on February 14, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Wow. Salem bought out CBS? Man. Are they a member of the Illuminati, too?

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Would you please change up the photo you use when posting
an article about Rick Santorum? This one is ridiculous.

Amjean on February 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Consolidation behind Santorum doesn’t equate to enthusiasm.

Conservative voters aren’t excited, and Santorum isn’t perfect. He is closer to being a conservative than Romney is. He is a social conservative. Economically, not so much, but maybe, more recently, he has seen the light.

Reports of the death of the Tea Party are premature. Republican turnouts are down, but that doesn’t mean folks aren’t motivated to remove the current administration from power. It just means they are dissatisfied with the current crop of candidates, and don’t think their differences are worth making a huge effort to choose one over the other.

Come November, the intensity will be there, no matter who the Republican candidate is, because the real point of the election for Conservatives and Tea Partiers is to end the presidency of Barack Obama.

novaculus on February 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM

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ConservativeLaw on February 14, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Oh I bet you’re all proud of yourself for that jab, eh? How many commenters here were whining just a few weeks ago about how Ed was “shilling for Romney?”

/facepalm

gryphon202 on February 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM

What makes anyone think that he will draw in indies and blue dogs? WITHOUT THEM WE CAN’T WIN!

Bambi on February 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Given that Romney’s gotten off lightly so far in terms of attack ads aimed at him, though, I’m not sure how to account for his downturn among independents. Some of it must be due to the debates — remember how effective Santorum’s RomneyCare attacks were? — but the debates didn’t stop Mitt from a landslide win in Florida. Some of it must be from conservative talk radio talking up Santorum and talking down Romney, but I’d expect to see more movement among grassroots conservatives in that case than among independents. I wonder, actually, if Gingrich’s Bain attacks, coupled with Romney’s gaffes about how he likes being able to fire people and isn’t concerned with the very poor, were more effective with middle-class independents than we thought. Note the last line in that Pew graphic I posted above; his net on the question of whether he understands the needs of people like you more than doubled from -14 to a disastrous -29. I don’t know how he turns that around, especially against a candidate with blue-collar appeal like Santorum. Source

Flora Duh on February 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM

gryphon202 on February 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Pardon. I was referring to the South, especially.

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I have a hard time believing any principled conservative would support a big government hack like Santorum. Santorum is an union goon who become a millionaire on the public dime and never created a job his entire life (except maybe the jobs of union bosses that he protected). He dismisses “this whole concept of personal autonomy” and limited government principles. He never met a way of spending others people money he didn’t like. He opposes free-trade. He was one of the hacks who destroyed the conservative wing of the GOP attempt to get real welfare reform. And he enthusiastically supported the biggest expansion of entitlements since FDR. Now, if some people are delusional about their own conservatism, that’s another story.

But those are the same people who if anyone points out the simple evidence that Santorum’s record is arguably to the left of mainstream democrats, will start an enraged rant on how Christians are hated.

joana on February 14, 2012 at 9:38 AM

MoreTeaPlease on February 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM

And this has been, yet another:

“ALL IS DOOM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . WE DON’T HAVE A PRAYER . . . . . . . . . . . . . .”

- moment.

listens2glenn on February 14, 2012 at 9:38 AM

It’s now or never, guys! We have to accept the fact that the republican establishment has no intention of ever letting another conservative get the nomination. We have Romney being forced on us now, who will be the face of conservatism for the future (God, what a horror), and Jeb Bush lurking in the background as the heir apparent. Rick Santorum may not be the perfect conservative, but he’s definitely a good beginning. Nice looking and pleasant guy who will put a human face on a lot of conservative principles already adding to his executive and political background.

mozalf on February 14, 2012 at 9:38 AM

There is a lot of merit in some of Santorum’s socially conservative positions. His point that a significant contributor to poverty is single parenthood and the breakdown of the nuclear family is really true and widely ignored. In order to fix problems you have to identify them and see the root causes. I think this is a good first step.

From a practical standpoint, I don’t think Santorum will be able to get anywhere with his dream of creating an American theocracy, and I don’t think Romney or Gingrich would actually govern in a more fiscally prudent manner. I think any of these three, if elected, would do better than Obama.

So how do we get the Republican elected? Unfortunately, while I think Rick will be more difficult for Obama to attack than Romney or Gingrich on many issues, he has made unfortunate statements in the past about homosexuality and contraception that Obama will find easy to use against him in the general. It’s hard to tell at this point whether Rick or Mitt has a better chance of beating Obama. So much depends on turnout and the media.

talkingpoints on February 14, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Don’t count Newt out yet. You can get whiplash watching these polls swing back and forth. I’ll stick with Newt as the best available candidate. GO NEWT!

Kaffa on February 14, 2012 at 9:38 AM

And you base that on….?

Doughboy on February 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

The fact that the best the GOP can muster is two RINOs, one theocon bedroom-legislator, and one man whose anti-permawar politics make him an outcast to ~80% of the right?

MelonCollie on February 14, 2012 at 9:39 AM

The “get a job” retort is a great way to put them down…every contestant will have to face these fools at every contest.

Rick is on a roll…we will see how far he “rolls”…

right2bright on February 14, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Best way to send hippies fleeing is offer them a job. The hippie is the ultimate stage of evolution for parasites, they are unable to do anything whatsoever that is constructive.

wildcat72 on February 14, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Santorum defensive powers activate!:

In a related story, David Axelrod was seen skipping through meadows gleefully.

inthemiddle on February 14, 2012 at 9:17 AM

If David Axelrod is excited and he his part of the Obama team that is trying hard to piss everyone off lately…I say that bodes well for Santorum. Axelrod will focus on things that Americans just don’t give a rat’s a$$ about right now.

mountainaires on February 14, 2012 at 9:21 AM

What would a President Santorum do to deprive you of weed?

Someone tell me what experience santorum has had in the private sector establishing jobs? He lost by over 18 points when he ran for senate. What makes anyone think that he will draw in indies and blue dogs? WITHOUT THEM WE CAN’T WIN! Especially when some of you will sit home.

Bambi on February 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

I’ve never really been one myself to fall for the idea that those who create jobs in the private sector would somehow make “good” politicians. Would Bill Gates be a good president? Not likely. And private sector work is not the same as public sector work anyways. The best thing any politician can do to help create jobs is get the hell out of the way.

Romney Haters might be consolidating, not “conservatives.

Santorum is a retread big government hack, who expanded entitlements, bowed down to unions, delivered millions in pork, and voted for Sonya Sotomayar and other liberals.

These are just irrational Romney Haters, not principled people.

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

That’s one hell of a trick. How’d he do it?

NotCoach on February 14, 2012 at 9:39 AM

I hear Mormons wear secret underwear…

what the f%^k is that supposed to mean?

social-justice on February 14, 2012 at 9:39 AM

joana on February 14, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Please post a list of all of Romney’s Conservative Accomplishments. Thank you.

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Oh I bet you’re all proud of yourself for that jab, eh? How many commenters here were whining just a few weeks ago about how Ed was “shilling for Romney?”

/facepalm

gryphon202 on February 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Exactly. I was complaining about the Newt Romney shilling.

wildcat72 on February 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

flyfisher on February 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Howdy, neighbor. Folks down here in Dixie just don’t seem to care for Mitt. They don’t trust him. And, it’s not his Mormonism.

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:30 AM

And if memory serves, for years now the two of us have been warning the GOP that’s what would happen.

flyfisher on February 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Romney flaws are out in the open and discussed ad nauseum.

Santorum is the biggest phony going. Him and his supporters are jokes.

He is a career big government Republican who protected corrupt and soft insiders, and pandered to unions and constituents by preteting labor and delvering massive amounts of pork.

He expanded entitlements and blew a hole in the budget. He supported NCLB and voting rights for felons. He abandoned conservatives to support people like Arlen and Sotomayor.

Yet, the phony Tea Partiers are trying to pawn him off as some Constitutional Conservative outsider.

Guys like him were the reason the GOP was booted in 2006

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

These are just irrational Romney Haters, not principled people.

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

GFY.

gryphon202 on February 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Romney Haters might be consolidating, not “conservatives.

Santorum is a retread big government hack, who expanded entitlements, bowed down to unions, delivered millions in pork, and voted for Sonya Sotomayar and other liberals.

These are just irrational Romney Haters, not principled people.

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

How can Rick Santorum vote for Sotomayor when he was not even in the Senate?????

social-justice on February 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Guys like him were the reason the GOP was booted in 2006

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

/EyeRoll

gryphon202 on February 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM

And if memory serves, for years now the two of us have been warning the GOP that’s what would happen.

flyfisher on February 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Yes, sir. We have.

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM

But those are the same people who if anyone points out the simple evidence that Santorum’s record is arguably to the left of mainstream democrats, will start an enraged rant on how Christians are hated.
joana on February 14, 2012 at 9:38 AM

.
joana, WHY do you hate Christians so much?

listens2glenn on February 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM

“Many in the Christian faith have said, ‘Well, that’s okay … contraception’s okay.’ It’s not okay because it’s a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”- Rick Santorum

Jon0815 on February 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Is there a point to you quoting Santorum without comment?

NotCoach on February 14, 2012 at 9:42 AM

How can Rick Santorum vote for Sotomayor when he was not even in the Senate?????

social-justice on February 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Santorum did vote for Sotomayor as a lower-court judge, an appointment which arguably made her SC appointment possible in the first place.

gryphon202 on February 14, 2012 at 9:42 AM

I have a hard time believing any principled conservative would support a big government hack like Santorum. Santorum is an union goon who become a millionaire on the public dime and never created a job his entire life (except maybe the jobs of union bosses that he protected). He dismisses “this whole concept of personal autonomy” and limited government principles. He never met a way of spending others people money he didn’t like. He opposes free-trade. He was one of the hacks who destroyed the conservative wing of the GOP attempt to get real welfare reform. And he enthusiastically supported the biggest expansion of entitlements since FDR. Now, if some people are delusional about their own conservatism, that’s another story.

But those are the same people who if anyone points out the simple evidence that Santorum’s record is arguably to the left of mainstream democrats, will start an enraged rant on how Christians are hated.

joana on February 14, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Then, why do the moderates flock to Romney? One would think they would love Santorum, for all the reasons you stated.

Norky on February 14, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Romney flaws are out in the open and discussed ad nauseum.

swamp_yankee on February 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

And yet, you still love him. Kleenex?

kingsjester on February 14, 2012 at 9:42 AM

I like Rick, but his campaign discipline sucks. There is no reason to proudly proclaim that you reject libertarianism, wade into the topic of why women in front-line combat is a bad idea and use Obama’s usurpation of religious freedom as a segue into a lecture about contraception and societal decay.

The Count on February 14, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Santorum is the only candidate with a net positive favorability rating.
Santorum is the only candidate which beats Obama in the cruicial swing state of OH per Rasmussens’s latest poll.
Santorum is the only candidate with an A+ rating from the NRA & pro-life groups.
Santorum is the only candidate with a lifetime ACU rating of 90+

Norwegian on February 14, 2012 at 9:43 AM

GFY.
gryphon202 on February 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

.
Feeling any better this morning?

listens2glenn on February 14, 2012 at 9:43 AM

On the other hand, I guess Santorum proves “conservatives” don’t really care about the size of government, so long as big government enforces socio-con moral fatwahs against gays and abortion. It wasn’t a fluke that you guys voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976.

I’d like to hope we get to a brokered convention where we might nominate someone like Jindal (hell, I’d even settle for Jeb Bush over these four), but I’m losing hope. The White House is good as Obama’s for four more years.

Thanks, GOP!

DRayRaven on February 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Yeps.

Of course, in a year will be listening to these same “tru conservatives” know-nothings swearing that Santorum was an establishment moderate and that’s the reason why he lost 45 states.

joana on February 14, 2012 at 9:43 AM

I like Rick, but his campaign discipline sucks. There is no reason to proudly proclaim that you reject libertarianism, wade into the topic of why women in front-line combat is a bad idea and use Obama’s usurpation of religious freedom as a segue into a lecture about contraception and societal decay.

The Count on February 14, 2012 at 9:42 AM

The actual votes that Santorum has won, along with his surge in the polls, suggest that this may not be the losing campaign strategy that Santorum’s detractors wish it would be for him.

gryphon202 on February 14, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Someone tell me what experience santorum has had in the private sector establishing jobs? He lost by over 18 points when he ran for senate. What makes anyone think that he will draw in indies and blue dogs? WITHOUT THEM WE CAN’T WIN! Especially when some of you will sit home.

Bambi on February 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

We had an alternative candidate with a strong background of private sector experience. Romney destroyed him too in short order. So, no, I don’t think private sector experience is really all that important.

He has absolutely no economics chops.

onlineanalyst on February 14, 2012 at 9:31 AM

The other two alternatives are Romney, who has “negative” economics chops, and Obama who ALSO has “negative” economics chops.

So I’ll take my chances with the question mark rather than people I know for a fact will speedily bankrupt us.

Doomberg on February 14, 2012 at 9:44 AM

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