If the Catholic Church doesn’t stand up to Obama on this, it won’t be very long before Obama decrees that the church must recognize and even perform homosexual marriages.

Doug Piranha on February 13, 2012 at 10:11 PM

The Catholic haters on this site will call you crazy while secretly hoping that’s exactly what happens. Whatever it takes to destroy the church. Of course, the church cannot be destroyed but you can damage people’s faith. That is a seriously, eternally-punishable offense.

Not every Catholic believes that taking birth control pills amounts to a sin against humanity. Perhaps that was true 2000 years ago when the world population was insignificant, but not so today.

bayam on February 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM

The concerns are identical as in the ancient world. Roman Stoic Philosophers were not worried about population control, they were worried about a loosening of morality. The same worries permeate the Church today.

I have to agree the Church has been leaning leftward for decades. But this doesn’t mitigate Obama’s outrageous assault on our liberties. An attack on the Church is an attack on all of us. He is acting far beyond his legitimate authority.

As for the need to control the population, the opposite is true in the Western world. Europe is already suffering because it lacks a sufficient population to support its entitlements. Western culture is directly threatened by the Muslim influx imported to offset a declining birth rate.

As for us, more and more young people choose to remain single or else to marry but not have children. How does this help us deal with government ponzi schemes that depend on continuous population growth?

Look man – he’s telling you that a majority of Catholics at large either support, or personally practice birth control.

And your point is–what? If even a single Catholic organization objects, why must it follow the dictates of Obama rather than those of its Church? How would this not violate religious freedom?

It’s not a matter of how many Catholics practice birth control. It’s a matter of my Church, right or wrong. The government doesn’t get to tell our bishops what’s moral and what isn’t. In other words, Don’t Tread on Me.

If the Catholic Church doesn’t stand up to Obama on this, it won’t be very long before Obama decrees that the church must recognize and even perform homosexual marriages.

Doug Piranha on February 13, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Pope Obamination the First

Catholics are (ostensbily) against the death penalty. Where is the outrage when Catholics are forced to contribute taxes to a state that uses state funds to execute people?

cjw79 on February 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM

That is incorrect.

The Church teaches that abortion and contraception are intrinsic evils. However, the death penalty is not an intrinsic evil because there are cases when it is warranted.

You must really try reading from direct sources like the Catechism, instead of just lazily passing around rumours or half truths.

Not every Catholic believes that taking birth control pills amounts to a sin against humanity. Perhaps that was true 2000 years ago when the world population was insignificant, but not so today.

bayam on February 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Meaningless.

It’s not what “percentage” of Catholics believe in this or that. It’s what the Magisterium teaches. It’s all in the Catechism.
The Church does not base its teachings on public opinion. That’s shallow and stupid. Sort of like liberals.

Regardless of whatever other positions a group or individual takes, when any of their freedoms are under attack, we must do everything in our power to stop every advance this administration makes against our gods-given rights.

I’m not sitting here saying everyone should suddenly convert to Catholicism and toe the Church’s line. The Church, as an organization, is indeed on the wrong side of many issues. Oppose them where they are wrong, but do not abandon them when they are right!

This is the great tactic of the Socialists: Divide and Conquer. When you can target one group and strip them of one of their rights, while the rest of the populace jeers and cheers, you have succeeded in reducing that right to nothing, for everyone.

Too late, Notre Dame…remember 2009? That Honorary Degree thingie…

Sorry, but it is people and institutions such as yours that brought this Obamanation to the United States.

coldwarrior on February 13, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Notice how quiet that abomination John Jenkins is? Can’t find a place to hide his liberalism. He’s praying that if he hides under the dome for 8 months, no one will notice.

Bandit13 on February 13, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Hanging of five alleged homosexuals in Iran

Five alleged homosexuals executed in Tehran.

Doesn’t look very Christian to me.

Oh…You mean like the way Christianity treats homosexuals, Muslims & atheists…I get it.

Bandit13 on February 13, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Oh! You mean like the way mozlems hang homos from light posts?

Fool Tool

25 years in Rev. Wright’s Church of Perpetual Hatred.

What do you expect?

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012

Oh…You mean like the way Christianity treats homosexuals, Muslims & atheists…I get it.

Obama proceeds to create a “Church of the divine secular worship,” to separate himself from those bothersome Catholics. It worked for Henry VIII.

Smedley on February 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM

25 years in Rev. Wright’s Church of Perpetual Hatred.

What do you expect?

But as it is, the lefty Catholic Church brought this on themselves – let’em squeal. Render unto Caesar indeed…

Over50 on February 13, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Yep. Sucks to run afoul of the Church these days.

Own it, you SoCon wolves in sheep’s clothing. I just hope we aren’t too late to stop this travesty by peaceful means.

MelonCollie on February 13, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Perhaps the Occupiers will clean up the mess they made???

Oh snap!

The Catholic church has not only been tolerating and even SUPPORTING all kinds of Demoncrat actions that are directly against the Christian faith for decades…and now they’re all panicking when its’ THEIR turn at the chopping block.

Own it, you SoCon wolves in sheep’s clothing. I just hope we aren’t too late to stop this travesty by peaceful means.

As for Notre Dame, THANK YOU, Ed, you hit the nail on the head. Geez – when they gave Obama that bully pulpit, I called and voiced my frustration at their hypocrisy. Now O is calling in his chits. Catholic institutions cannot have it both ways. It would have been nice if they’d taken a stand, oh, 70 years ago and held it. O has reason to believe he can get away with this – too many higher-up Catholic “leaders” sold out on their belief in the strength of the individual. They opted to ask the government for more money. The former archbishop of Mpls./St. Paul actually encouraged Catholics to go to the governor to ask for more money for the poor. Socialism never resulted in an increase in any church membership – that request was foolish at best. The current archbishop seems to be doing better.

This article by Paul Rahe is an excellent read. http://ricochet.com/main-feed/American-Catholicism-s-Pact-With-the-Devil

As for “real” Catholics and “attendee” catholics – a lot of debate here. Overall, it’s healthy, I hope. The Catholic Church has gone through crises in the past – they eventually got through them. This one – well, the bishops will have to stay firm, regardless whether the church attendees agree with them or not. Why? We either get rid of O and his socialist tendencies or I’m afraid, we may lose everything our ancestors created. It won’t be pretty.